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Here's our UNCUT reaction to GAME OF THRONES s08e05!

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Josh M

I have to disagree about this making sense for Daenerys from a character perspective. She's lost things before without throwing a murderous tantrum. If she killed some innocents as collateral by burning the red keep to kill Cersei, that's one thing. But what purpose did frying every civilian in King's Landing for an hour and a half serve? Cersei doesn't care about those people, so it does nothing to her. Maybe they could've made this turn work with more episodes, but the writers decided to rush Dany into this mad queen caricature over the course of too few episodes IMO. It also annoyed me that Varys is supposed to be this master of spies and yet he tells everyone his plans. I did like the Clegane fight, though.

Screentime with Phil and Erika

Fair points -- I do think there's still a compounding effect that her losses can have, though. The most recent losses of Missandei and Rhegar (as poorly written as it was) -- is even more traumatic and altering to a person AFTER so much other loss (Since coming to Westeros, she's lost dragons, unsullied, dothraki, Yarra's iron fleet, Dorne's forces, Jorah, Missandei.. and all in relatively quick succession). They build off one another, so comparing her reaction to past losses and these most recent ones is a bit apples and oranges. Again, this isn't to justify the logic of what she did -- it's just to talk about how her turn. I agree that more episodes would have done this turn wonders, though haha. It was rushed. I just don't think it came out of nowhere.

C. J. Ramirez

Ruined Jaimie’s and danys arc in 5 min 😭😭. I understand why dany and grey worm did it . For revenge. But still smh

Nitroxc

Aye I'm fine with the outcome, it's how they got there thats the problem. season 8 should haev been 8-10 episodes with the finale being the battle/victory against the dead. and season 9 should have been again 8-10 episodes of the war against cersei. IIRC they were originally pushed to do 12 total seasons, but the creators were eager to do a star wars project they were promised so rushed everything on GOT through and refused to do the full run of seasons. Then hilariously because of how GOT turned out their offer from disney got revoked. But aye the problem here is the spiral into madness should have been a slow burn over like 15-20 episodes (Season 8/9) because it would have given plenty of time for a gradual shift and for all the losses to compound properly. One of the strongest plot points they had was Dany coming to this land where shes essentially no one, shes spent all her life building up, gathering all these followers and allies, yet the second she arrives in westeros she realises she is genuinely not wanted there. Then as her allies and friends are slowly stripped away it makes the fall into madness so much more believable and natural, but because it was condensed into a few episodes it just doesnt work.

ramon carter

the whole Dany heel turn just feels too fast and rushed that is why this season needed 10-12 episodes I think that's the main issue people turned on the series Some points how does she have that many Darthraki left after we seen most of them taken out at Winterfell? why didnt Dany attack the Ironfleet from above like she did in this episode in episode 4? We still have episode 6 to go

Screentime with Phil and Erika

Oh wild -- it was their call for the number of episodes? I always figured decisions like that came from studios and things like that.

Screentime with Phil and Erika

Okay cool -- this is refreshing. Most of the commentary/criticism we've seen is that "Dany's character was destroyed, full stop" -- and no sot much "Dany's turn makes sense, it just happened too fast" The latter, I 100% agree on. I just wasn't hearing that.

ramon carter

they cut it short to get to Star Wars but the way they finished it and pissed people off Disney pulled the Star Wars movie from Dan and Dave lmao

Nitroxc

Re-watching this again, I think the "Switch" we see in dany, is basically her saying "I lost all my friends and allies, I was told time and time again to delay coming here, and when I finally do it's all over in a matter of minutes with the outcome I wanted? No I've suffered enough, you don't just get to give up and live happily ever after, you're going to suffer how I have suffered" Because as we see here, the fight was over very quick, with minimal civilian casualties and the enemy surrendering. If she had come here immediately after landing in westeros she'd have taken over with minimal casualties, been seen as the "saviour from tyrants" that she wanted to be seen as, and then could have went north for jon/the dead. However even after her forces are heavily depleted, friends and allies lost, down to one dragon, against a fully fortified kings landing with countless anti-dragon weapons, she wipes it clean with little effort, so if she had made this move much earlier like she wanted and was advised to do by olenna, she'd not have went through anywhere near as much pain and loss as she had by listening to everyone else around her.

taryn

i’m glad you guys pointed out and realized everything that lead to daenerys destroying king’s landing while still acknowledging you don’t agree with it and hurting the people of the city. i too think if she hadn’t lost so much, she would have just destroyed some of the red keep to kill cersei and killed some innocents in the process because by her reasoning she “had to” and that would’ve been enough for her to lose supporters. also not sure if you guys caught that varys had been trying to poison daenerys hence his little bird telling him “she won’t eat” and he says “we’ll try again at supper.” king’s landing and dragonstone really aren’t that far away from each other once you see their locations on the map; to get from one to the other in a matter of a few hours by boat or ship isn’t too far fetched but there absolutely is a lot of “time travel” in this season lol. drogon, rhaegal, and viserion are all male dragons but without saying too much, we will have she-dragons in house of the dragon! can’t wait to go on that journey with you guys!

Rick Loma

Yall should watch ozark next