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Open Collaboration (Patreon)

Published:
2019-12-16 20:19:23
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2026-10-21 02:46:39
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Hi friends! For today's Open Collaboration, I actually have a request. With getting sick and reading far too many troll reviews, my inspiration is lacking. I am having a very hard time writing this next chapter of When Heroes Fall, so I would love to hear your guys' opinions. 

If you don't know what to say, maybe some of these questions will help prompt you: What are your thoughts on the recent events? What are some things you would like to see next or upcoming? What do you expect to happen? Any and all thoughts that you have on the current state of our story will help me.

And, as usual, if you have one-shot or other story ideas I would love to hear those as well, but When Heroes Fall drastically needs your help - I am struggling!

Thank you guys <3

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Big Jake

(CONTAINS SPOILERS) Viscen: The most dangerous man alive. One of the things that has interested me the most throughout the story is Viscen as the main villain. He's someone that I love to hate, and personally cannot wait to see him fail lol, but he also represents a monumental task for the gang to overcome, not only as a physical threat, but as an accomplished politician and manipulator. Let’s start with the obvious. As the supreme commander of the Hylian Royal Army he has access to what might as well be a limitless pool of disposable muscle to throw at a group of maybe 15 opponents, a fact that is made even more dangerous when it is considered that Viscen holds absolutely zero regard for the wellbeing of his soldiers, a stark contrast to our protagonists who may not be willing to take the lives of virtually innocent men who are just following orders. But the King himself is no slouch, on several occasions Viscen has demonstrated himself to be in peak physical condition. For a few examples, he overpowered Talo without trying (Talo struggled to block a SLAP from Viscen, let alone any type of actual combat maneuver), Viscen has also gotten the upper hand on Link on a few occasions, granted he caught him off guard but it’s still worthy of mention. But I think one of the more impressive, yet underrated showings of pure physical power was when Viscen lifted Emeline over the falls of Zora's domain. I don’t know how much Emeline weighs, so let's guess, She’s about 15 years old, the average height for girls in that age group is around 5’2”-5’3”, She’s also a princess and therefore well fed, so while she’s skinny she won’t be malnourished by any means. Let’s be fair to her and say 110 lbs. Viscen lifted her with one arm, and held her over the cliff and still held a conversation at the same time. In essence, Viscen performed a Lateral raise of a 110 lb weight, while said weight was wriggling around and struggling, and didn’t show signs of overexertion. Not to mention his grip strength, based on the aforementioned ability to lift a struggling Emmy without dropping her, means that when he choked Luda in Kakariko he probably could’ve fully crushed her windpipe without much effort. These physical attributes lead me into some speculation about the whereabouts of a missing Triforce of power. But that’s just my own speculation. Despite those obvious physical advantages, Viscen should not be underestimated as a tactician. He is clearly ruled by a certain level of cockiness and overconfidence, but that doesn’t mean he’s above caution. In several situations it has been demonstrated that he has a tendency to hide archers and call upon them with special hand signals, a demonstration of caution and preparation that belies his bullheaded nature. But I think one of his most impressive feats is his conquest of both Zora’s domain, and death mountain. He conquered the domain, but without the ability to breath underwater, it doesn’t matter how many soldiers you send, the Zoran defenders can traverse the river easily and launch attacks in the weak spots of an invading army, either until the invaders lose their resolve, or Viscen himself is captured by one of their raids. So the question becomes how to force the battle to be fought on land, putting the odds in favor of the hylians. By poisoning the water Viscen takes away the Zora’s most potent weapon and secures an easy victory. But the most impressive to me is the apparent subjugation of Death Mountain, and the Gorons inside. The conquest of the mountain has been alluded to several times, "that ‘peace’ was presented in the form of war, and it ended with the king the victor...it saw roads paved through the Gorons precious rocks" (WHF ch.8) Viscen later states, “I wanted this domain, I wanted the mountain of fire, I wanted the mountain of snow, I wanted the desert- all of them, mine,” (WHF ch.8) Let’s analyze this victory from a military perspective (one of my passions). The logistics of waging, let alone winning, a military campaign against the gorons is a daunting task. The Gorons are large, super strong, and have skin that is more akin to stone than actual flesh. They also reside entirely within the protection of both death mountain itself, and the surrounding mountain range. The only pass to the mountain is a narrow canyon that leads to the maw of the volcano itself, an easy chokepoint for the Gorons to hold. If the pass fails, the Goron defenders still have the greatest fortress in all of Hyrule, Death mountain itself. Imagine you’re a soldier, standing at the base of a gargantuan pitch black mountain, that spews fire day and night, the weather is unbearable in your armor, and all the while your stony opponents are laughing and throwing boulders and buckets of molten lava on you and your fellow soldiers. Then your commander tells you that you have to storm the volcano itself to ensure victory. A siege is out of the question because the Gorons literally eat rocks, therefore they never really need to come out of their mountain at all. Most soldiers would turn on the commander that marched them up there and throw him into the Gorons so they could go home. Viscen somehow overcame all these disadvantages and forced the Gorons into submission. A victory through sheer force of arms is near impossible in my opinion, so the strategy Viscen employed to conquer the mountain must have been nothing short of genius. But his most dangerous aspect in my opinion is his charisma. Viscen possesses an uncanny ability to maneuver his way around the ruthlessness and cruelty he displays on a daily basis, and the benevolent and kind persona he displays for his subjects. His soldiers all possess a healthy and well informed fear of him, and the citizens adore and love him. His almost supernatural ability to manipulate the flow and content of information in his kingdom is demonstrated best in his ability to perform the impressive conquest of both Zora’s domain and Death Mountain, while convincing his subjects (at least those within his immediate proximity) that there was no war at all. This ability to twist facts and warp perception displays a preternatural affinity for charisma, and a talent for controlling the flow of information. This ability to turn would be enemies into friends is likely how he completely shut down Zelda’s political influence long before the start of WHF. At the end of chapter 20, Ren decides that he is going to rescue Emmy from her father and perhaps even kill him, but after compiling this breakdown of the King’s abilities I can honestly say that the concept is foolish at best to even attempt. Ren’s only hope for success is Viscens overconfidence and underestimation of those he considers beneath him, or direct intervention from Emmy. Most importantly, Viscen’s skill as a manipulator is something that Ren doesn’t seem to fully appreciate, a mistake that I feel will lead to Ren being an easy target for Viscen (a plan the king has already put in motion as we know). Ren would be a useful idiot for Viscen to pit against Link, fully exploiting the heroes morality. Or perhaps more frighteningly, Ren would be the perfect guide to a recently opened twilight portal.