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Thrasymachus 1-A Εἰς Ἅιδου, ὁ Θρασύμαχος (Romaic Lucian) (Patreon)

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(Romaic Lucian Pronunciation. For more, see GUIDE TO THE VARIANTS OF LUCIAN PRONUNCIATION. )

Thrasymachus is an excellent and entertaining beginner reader of Ancient Greek. Written by Peckett & Munday, it has been a classic of Greek pedagogy for over half a century.

The bulk of these recordings will be made available to Theodōrēī Tier Patrons.

Thrasymachus may be found on Amazon here.

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Jason Baker

Masterfully done, as always! Do yoy have a favorite Greek pronunciation, Luke, or does it jusr depend on mood or the material?

Luke Amadeus Ranieri

Χάριν σοι ἔχω, ὦ Ἰᾶσον! That's an interesting question. I have found my tastes in pronunciation vary quite a bit through time. Back when I started Ancient Greek, it only made sense to me that the Restored Classical Attic Pronunciation was the way to go. But I found that I myself had trouble consistently pronouncing aspirates and long diphthongs, among a few other features, and my novice level in Ancient Greek made it than much harder to concentrate as heavily on the pronunciation as I needed to (since back then there was nothing in Classical Attic pronunciation of any quality that I admired); and also, 99% of people attempting Classical Attic pronunciation fail at it so dismally, and even those familiar with it couldn't understand the aspirate/voiceless-stop contrasts when uttered correctly, that it made continuing my own use of Classical Attic pronunciation difficult. As for those who do Restored Classical Attic badly, that's usually not their fault; in order to maked the majority of necessary phonemic contrasts necessary for fundamental communication, they create mergers based on their native language (Italian, German, English, French, etc.), and it just ends up being a mess. And every form of "Erasmian" is usually much worse than that. Then Ben Kantor popularized Buthian Pronunciation, which Buth said was the Koiné pronunciation. My knowledge of Greek words borrowed into Latin demonstradted that claim to be grandiose, if not at least partially false, hence my research into all the variants of Koine Pronunciation that actually existed, culminating in the compromise of historical accuracy and pedagogical utility called Lucian Pronunciation. This year I finally gave clear parameters to six variants — Romaic, Pompeian, Alexandrine, Memphite, Samosatene, Antiochene — which are plausible reconstructions of phonemic and phonetic systems in the middle of the Koine period, some of which are more conservative, like Romaic, and others that are more innovative, like Antiochene. So that said, I've found that my appreciation for, and facility for listening to, Erasmian was greatly increased once I started recording Pompeian Lucian, which is quite similar to the theoretical Erasmian used in most countries. Antiochene is very similar to Buthian, so after having done recordings in it, I could listen to Buthian pronunication recordings made by others and understand them *much* more easily and came to really like and appreciate them more than ever. Alexandrine makes me enjoy Coptic phonology more, as Coptic spelling is based on the Greek pronunciation in Egypt at the time of its first writings. And finally the above recording in Romaic helps me like Classical Attic pronunciation quite a lot, as it is so close to it. And that's the hope I have for my listeners: that they might listen to all the variants of Lucian Pronunciation of this Thrasymachus series, because I believe the exposure will breed in them appreciation for all the other Ancient Greek speakers out there who use the pronunciations I mentioned above. This is what happened to me. As for favorite, I have found Pompeian Lucian most comprehensible to others, since most people know Erasmian, and thus it has been an effective way to bridge the gap for them. Otherwise, as you said, mood, and the above circumstances, influence my preferences. I find the more I do these six variants the more I like them all, and the more I like any spoken Ancient Greek in any pronunciation system.

Jason Baker

What a wonderfully detailed response ❤️