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Happy Holidays from In Bed With the Right! To help you celebrate (or survive, as the case may be), here is the promised November bonus episode. The second part of our weird, unexpectedly circuitous journey through anxieties about "precious bodily fluids". With cameos from tennis star Boris Becker, former VP Dan Quayle and St. Thomas Aquinas.

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Nina V~

the way that this & part 1 drove me to listen to WAP on repeat as soon as i finished the episodes xD

Kiah Bowers

As a lesbian who has purchased and used sperm to have my wife and my's daughters, it is amazing what insecurities, ideas, and anxieties the knowledge of that brings out in other people!

Katie

In grad school, I took a class on gender and mass media where we discussed “political fatherhood” and how parenthood works for men in politics because the electorate likes to know that a man is virile, or put more crassly, can successfully knock someone up. Thinking about that again now and what it implies about precious bodily fluids. Eww!

Olivia Maky

Loved this, but I can't help being a little disappointed that you didn't touch on the weird semen retention freaks!

Bethany Gardner

called out by the fact that I absolutely listen to/read deep dives on unhinged things to distract myself from unhinged news

Bethany Gardner

this and the flavor of misogynists that is furious about women having multiple partners because of a whole pseudoscience about semen changing your DNA and personality, thus permanently contaminating women

J Phoebus

Adrian, I’m currently reading your book (and to my daughter tonight during her bath where she proceeded to poop in the tub). Thanks to you both for the episode!

James Talley

One of the absolute weirdest things my father ever said to me: 30 years ago, when I told him my wife and I were expecting our first child, he didn't say congratulations, but that he was proud of me. Perhaps the first and only time ever he's said that. A landmark of fucked-up.

James Talley

On a lighter note, merch idea: sticker parodying Pabst Blue Ribbon can. Precious Bodily Fluids, brought to you by IBWTR After Dark. Somebody with artistic talent, please make this happen!

paul bowman

A: We’ve kinda … done a one-eighty? M: It used to be mysterious and remote, and now we know way too much about it. And we can impart way too many symbolic meanings onto it. A: Exactly. And the funny thing is, like, whether we knew nothing, or less than nothing, or we’re only guessing, or whether we know way too much, the anxiety is ironically kind of the same, right? M: No matter what we know or don’t know? — it’s always bad news! and: ‘Maybe you can’t win with sperm!’ (Moira) So much good in this episode. Grateful for you all.

Sam Best

“Can suck thumb?”

Lisa Sherper

In 1988, I worked for a development agency in Yemen and one of my Yemeni colleagues routinely warned young men given scholarships to study in the US that if they had intercourse with American women, that these women would drain their life force out from their penis during intercourse. If this was true, imagine what a different world we would live in.

Jimjam

Great episode. Late to the party here but i have a few fun and a few serious thoughts: On the more serious side, in the UK you have to sign these really quite invasive documents before you can even have a consult with a fertility doctor. These documents are called “the welfare of the unborn child” (im not kidding) and supposedly are to check you would be a good parent/ little dash of eugenics etc. I recently went through some fertility treatment and was super freaked out by these considering I was freezing gametes not embryos and also it’s just weird. I looked it up and as far as I can tell it originated from “worries” about single mothers. So that’s fun… On the more fun side… There’s a type of fruit fly that produces 3 types of sperm (At the same time). Current thinking is 2 of them are “helper” sperm which is kinda cute in a weird way. Also a fruit fly sperm protein is called Kumgang. My other story is my friend who is a primary school teacher had a woman explain to her that her child was conceived with sperm donor. All fine and tbf, kinda useful for her to know incase it comes up class etc. but my friend did think perhaps the middle to the school playground in the front of the kid AND the woman’s husband was perhaps not the most suitable location for this information to be shared. Both child and husband were very violently blushing.

Jimjam

Oh and as part of informed consent as said fertility clinic, you basically have to watch a video that includes all the ivf stuff (even if you’re not doing that) from which I learnt that you can get a video of your embryo fertilising if you’re willing to pay (wild) and also that the type of in vitro fertilisation that you need subsequently if you freeze eggs actually involves the sperm tail being broken so they don’t swim off and can be injected into the egg! Poor lil guys

Jules

I'm obviously super late to this, but I thought you might be interested to know that the deep discomfort about the exact moment when the sperm/egg/embryo/etc becomes a human, which Moira mentioned, is not universal. Numerous cultures believe that becoming ensouled is a long-term process, such that small children can still be considered half in the world of the preborn/half in the living world and/or incompletely ensouled (see for example https://ora.ox.ac.uk/objects/uuid:1f3ba12e-5e04-44e7-8145-a5f9fac468aa/files/rdb78td384 and https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/pdf/10.1086/203579 ). A cross-cultural comparison would also be super interesting in regard to your Weininger episode. His philosophy almost seemed adapted from Chinese yin/yang philosophy, which also sometimes had the view that women drain men of their life-force (jing) during sex (https://books.google.com/books?id=_afOEAAAQBAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&printsec=frontcover&pg=PA65&dq=info:7n3oRGOruzYJ:scholar.google.com/&hl=en&source=gb_mobile_entity#v=onepage&q&f=false). Were translations of Chinese philosophical texts in circulation in late-nineteenth century Europe? Maybe through the theosophists?

Nadja Bpunkt

POV: You’re German and wait for Adrian to mention Boris Becker and when he finally does you almost choke on your coffee 😂

Lex Townsend

Every time I hear “precious bodily fluids” I think of “succulent Chinese meal” in a meme leap that makes no sense at all