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With apologies for only bringing you the second Patreon episode of December at the beginning of January: in our defense, this one was a beast to record and edit. It's our fascism-and-gay-dudes-and-poetry episode! Adrian tells Moira all about a group of conservative poets and intellectuals that over several decades gathered around the poet Stefan George (1868-1933), who first claimed to be setting up a "circle" of young men, later a "covenant", and even later -- and not at all ominously -- a "Reich". Their story is both a fascinating slice of intellectual history, and an interesting mirror to hold up to our own present as we head into the year that gave Project 2025 its title...

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Geneva Samuelson

the patreon implicit contract comment in the beginning is a michael hobbes subtweet

Ayako

This might have been answered in the discord, but who are in the photos of pervert, preacher, and creep membership options?

In Bed With the Right

Those are all stills from Town Bloody Hall -- I believe they are Germaine Greer, Cynthia Ozick and Norman Mailer, but I forget who belongs with which tier?

Erika Burkhart

Omg. I love the weird German history episodes. This is what I'm here for.

Thomas Wiehe

Great episode! So many people I have heard from but also a lot of new, weird and interesting stuff. Just one really specific question: Adrian talks about the „second german empire“ I have always thought this lineage of german empires was itself an invention by nationalist from early 20th century to see themselves (and the prussian king) as successor of the Holy German Empire. And also the reason why the nazis called themselves the „Third Reich“. So I guess my question is: Am I misinformed or is there just another reason to phrase it like that? Hope that wasn’t to long or to nitpicky 😬

James Talley

Mind blown. I'm too clueless to ask a good question, but all the secret Germany stuff, plus "we read X better than the Xians" made me think of Strauss and esotericism. Was there any, even perverse, connection between these wackos and, say, certain cultic varieties of Straussians?

Linn Leppert

Loved it! And yes, please do one on Thomas Mann.

In Bed With the Right

Oh, yes, this was definitely the self-styling! I used it simply because I wanted to be clear this wasn't the Holy Roman Empire!

In Bed With the Right

Great question: YES, there's absolutely a connection! Both Leo Strauss and Eric Voegelin drew heavily on the George-circle's understanding of Plato -- and I believe it concerned above all the circle's esoteric way of reading. Strauss's direct mentors were all neo-Kantians and I believe he disliked their approach to the history of philosophy. And by contrast he really liked the work done by the Platonists in George's orbit -- Kurt Hildebrandt (sp?), Friedrich Wolters, and others.

James Talley

Wow. I feel like a blindfolded person who actually hit the dartboard. Thank you!

Charlotte

Hi all, listener from the start but new Patron - does anyone know how/whether I can listen to the premium episodes via an RSS feed? For all my other podcast Patreons, there's a custom RSS link for premium episodes in the Membership tab, but I cannot find it here...

In Bed With the Right

Our producer Mark has been trying to figure out how to do that! We'll have on up quite soon, sorry it's taking so long!

Charlotte

Thank you! <3 No worries, I thought I was missing something. I'll either be patient or use the Patreon-native player in the meantime.

Sophie

Thanks so much for doing this episode! I really found it fascinating.

Sophie

I would love an episode about Thomas Mann too!

Kayla Patrick

blessed to not have been in a situation where i had to say george out loud... wth

basil water

Moira's giggle lives rent free in my mind at all times

Ren

Love to River from someone else who always eats all the olives!

Suradha

I'd listen to 4 more hours about these freaks easy (love an international episode just because the US being the focal point of the world can get really tiresome even to someone with a high tolerance for it!)

William Knight

I will be honestI love these episodes and I want even more German Weirdos. They are such freaks and I want to put them under glass and study them.

William Knight

As someone who owns Strauss’s paperweight through a strange series of events this makes me happy. Honestly wouldn’t mind an episode placing Strauss in his German context since so many accounts of him and his followers are so America-centric.

William Knight

IIRC wasn’t Holderlein also Jewish? I know him because Vasily Grossman quotes him a bunch in Life and Fate.

William Knight

Just thinking about how these weirdos canon wasn’t the same as that of Nazism.

OuijaFBabysMama

I am slowly working through the backlog and i just got to another episode where you mention this one and I have literally never heard if this circle and am drooling in anticipation. Will report back! Love yall so much

OuijaFBabysMama

Adrian you have me laughing out so loud at “AND IT IS GONNA BE COOL ITS GONNA BE ROCK AND ROLL!” 😂😭😂😭😂😭😂😭😂😭😂😭

OuijaFBabysMama

Also these freaks were correct that capitalism, like heteromorativity*, is fucking insane