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Episode 69 [PATREON EXCLUSIVE] -- Manly Tariffs (Patreon)

Published:
2025-04-14 04:34:58
Imported:
2026-09

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The Republican Party's continued effort towards the re-swolification of America has settled on a new strategy: nuking your retirement account. In this emergency episode, Moira and Adrian talk how the Trump administration has turned trade policy into yet another proxy battle for gender anxiety, about the family annihilator theory of the future, and about how America came face-to-face with something truly terrifying: a genuinely held, non-transactional belief by Donald Trump.

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In Bed With the Right

I just realized that in the heat of the moment I (Adrian) confused treasury notes and treasury bonds! Sorry about that!

William Knight

You got a lot at the belief that true positive sum interactions don’t exist (because interdependence is exploitation in their minds) and I think this is totally true but it seems to me like this is a long running far right belief- the Nazis believed all history was a racial struggle for finite resources and their pursuit of autarky and foreign domination (and genocide) was part of this. So this seems to me like another very fascist belief Trump is adopting/drawing from.

Stefanie P

Come on, eberybody knows Donald's middle name is Jessica

LimaBeen

To retweet Moira in a positive way, I would absolutely listen to an episode on the concept of "real work" through a gender studies lens, particularly since, as you both pointed out, its becoming popular rhetoric in both parties.

Charlotte

Aren't the bonds messed up, too, though?

Karen Cox

THANK YOU FOR THE BERNIE TRUTH!! I loathed the Sanders’ campaign precisely because of their fantasy that Real Jobs are the kind pictured on Stalin-era propaganda posters with some white dude in shirtsleeves standing in front of smokestacks. They really leaned into gendered roles without actually taking responsibility for the gendered aspect. Ànd STILL haven’t confronted their own misogyny.

Steff

So the thing to remember about bond rates is that the US is financed primarily through debt accrued through the sale of US bonds - these are bought and sold on a global market. As fewer buyers want US bonds, the interest paid need to increase to attract buyers. So small changes in rates greatly effect the amount of money used to service the debt. In addition to bond rates, you want to look at the US dollar index - which shows the relative value of the dollar. We've seen both an increase in bond rates and a loss of dollar value, suggesting foreign investors are simply pulling back from America. Oddly, Trump has said he wants a weaker dollar, but wants it to remain the global reserve currency; however, this would certainly effect bond rates, because who wants to hold debt in dollars when the dollar is losing value?

Sam

would love to hear more of your take on graeber & bullshit jobs!

Theodor Pilou Kruse

I love love love your episodes, content, brains, banter and endless curiosity and wisdom. Patreon and regular a like. I could listen to you for hours.

Karen Cox

So would I! I also want an episode on who expertise has become girly so being dumb is now Manly.

Ella L

T-bills and T-notes and T-bonds differ in maturity lengths and for the purposes of the discussion about "it's not just the stocks wobbling, it's the thing that underpins *everything* about our modern global economy now", they are interchangeable for use in conversation for someone who is not in finance 😁

Elizabeth

Psssst, I bet I’m not the only one who would totally listen to the unedited or lightly edited multi-hour episodes about 1933. That series is so good—and chilling! I also appreciate you sharing sources as it’s hard to know where to go to read about it for those of us who aren’t in that field but realize that yes, we really do need to learn more

Christine

Hey! Enjoying the podcast! I’m relatively new to patreon as a platform. Is there a discussion board or something where we can discuss the public podcasts (like the project 1933 podcasts)?

Rachel G

I genuinely cannot explain how much I agree with Moira re: Adrian’s luck to have never heard of Batya Unger-Sargon before this recording. Her shift rightward over the past decade and the way she engages with Jewish identity in her work … it’s been an infuriating thing, especially because during her years at The Forward I had to deal with family members who were convinced that the opinions editor at The Forward must be a reasonable thoughtful person and not whatever the fuck she was becoming.

WGM

The discord server has a discussion going

Brian

As a KS resident living 35 minutes from an EV battery plant Adrian’s example really hit home

Caroline

What's funny is that I work in Manly Manufacturing (steel) and every plant ever complains about not being able to fill floor positions. It's incredibly common for someone to show up for a week or two then disappear forever because the work sucks! It's hard physical labor with minimal (if any) heating/air conditioning and plants are almost always in some terrible little town no one wants to move to. The men do NOT yearn for the mills lmao

Caroline

There's also "manly" and "woman" codes jobs within steel mills, mainly decided by if you have air conditioning or not. If you're a man and work in a QA lab the good ol' boys are going to make gay jokes about you. Simply a fact of life 🙄

testosteronefemme

commenting from the future - wild how i literally do not remember how this turned out. but as someone who's worked in American manufacturing, whose coworkers were like fuck how do we get parts to fix xyz problem... god this whole thing was dumb. even the gendered angle. heavy industry tends to be more male-dominated ime (and the steel tariffs of yore were just as fucking stupid, given that a good chunk of heavy industry in the US relies on imported steel... i.e. the manly jobs that were supposed to be preserved. somehow.), but light industrial manufacturing (think medical devices) in the US are about a 60/40 woman/man split. again in my experience. expanding semiconductor manufacturing to build iPhones in the US wouldn't involve the manly dirty jobs of yore, it would involve clean rooms. and an MES. which, i don't think these people would be too happy with the imagery of that. everything about this timeline is so stupid istg.

testosteronefemme

a relevant book here may be work won't love you back, which does go into how gendered expectations, including the idea that the skills (and presumed economic positions, i.e., working for 'pin money' not rent) involved in retail work are not real work, which is why it's acceptable for women to do it.