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On this episode, Adrian and Moira say farewell to your bricks and mortar, and take the good ship Ragamuffin to the multi-TERFed isle! A fortress built by nature for herself, and for a very specific kind of feminist who longs to be able to go to the loo without seeing anyone who doesn't conform to their ideal of femininity. In this first episode, we explore the role of the web forum Mumsnet in incubating both what we today think of as TERFism, and its characteristic media strategies. Obvious trigger warnings for transphobia, imperialism, dark Satanic mills, things of that nature.

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Athina

Trans resident of terf island here, endlessly grateful for this episode ❤️

Jamie Madden

"Trigger warning: England" GRMA. Especially after Bastards covering Jimmy Saville recently

Helen McCallum

Ooh thank you so much for helping me put into words why that despite being an isolated mum in the 2010s I never got into mums net. I have never been posh. My degree was from a poly... that and do you remember the penis beaker? That.

Sam Best

Thank you so much for this episode. The question of what the fuck is going on in the UK specifically is something I’ve been thinking about a lot recently

MWD

"the sacredness of the shitter at Bennigan's" 😹

Melissa Trent

I almost ran home immediately to listen. Cannot wait.

Alex Davis

I don't know why but this episode reminded me of the tumblr post about the boss so misogynistic he became protrans. It's almost like the hegelian inverse of terfs

kathleen

Trigger warning for England! Hahahahahaaaaaa.

Tiaragram

I wish there was a cabal of trans people running the world. I am so tired of people who get all riled up about things that have nothing to do with them. Thanks y’all for this series. Moira, embrace the squirrel! You are being sought for cross species interaction. Stock up on peanuts and enjoy the attention.

West

Very 2000s reference, Much Old people

Astraea

Seconding! Squirrel merch, please!

Cheyenne Montgomery

I’m not a Boomer, but we did a mock ERA vote at some point in middle school and I remember very clearly arguing with a girl who’s main point was a conviction that the ERA would have led to mandatory coed bathrooms and locker rooms. So when the bathroom issue reemerged again as an anti-trans issue, it was VERY familiar to me. I have no memory of the outcome of the mock vote

Masie McCandless

Obligatory "as a trans woman" message; thank you both for covering this and continuing to talk about the problems facing trans people today. Lots of podcasts will occasionally talk about trans people when a particularly horrific thing happens in the Supreme Court or something like that, but few podcasts or people will talk about us without some big shake-up event. Matt, Michael, and both of you have all passionately stood up for trans people, and I'd just like to express my gratitude for all that you do. Additionally, towards the beginning, when y'all were talking about some of the small tells that transphobes will give in their speech, it reminded me a lot of also the incel culture and how they use the word "females." Like, I remember listening to a section of the DOGE deposition and one of them said females in this very specific context, and of course, going into this one assumes that both DOGE bros are gonna be chuds, but when he said that, I was instantly like "Oh yeah, of course you're that specific kind of internet chud. Yeah, that tracks."

Richard Marshall

Will you guys include Helen Lewis who writes for the Atlantic? She tends to bill herself as the "sensible middle ground " but she seems pretty TERFy...

Louzie

Two remarks, one serious: - as someone who transitioned before and around the time Juliet Jacques started her column in the Guardian, I got overly invested in the paper's discourse over the following years. But I believe there's much to learn about the specifics of British TERFism by looking at the Julies' and Suzanne's political biographies to understand how the 2010s wave of anti-trans "feminism" started off, and how it lay the foundations for mumsnet's success later on: https://www.vice.com/en/article/trans-rights-uk-debate-terfs/ - Moira: One must imagine the squirrel a furry to see TERFs had been right all along. :-D

Louzie

(oh, and this was supposed to be a reply to the episode, not this thread in particular. Apologies for my inability to use tech haha)

Lu

Jordan Peterson, the meat coma guy , mentioned!

Nick

As someone who signed the mentioned “anti-Kathleen Stock” letter, imo Adrian is *very* generous to describe her as someone “who reads the literature and is conversant in the history of philosophy”! Also cannot emphasise enough that this apparently outrageous letter literally just questioned whether it was a good idea for the queen to pick her out for special honours 🙃 great ep!

Nina

I once made a video complaining about how harry potter fans will victimize themselves for being criticized for still supporting harry potter and I got people in the comments talking about the size of my hands and the shape of my jaw and I was very confused for a while wondering why looksmaxxers were in my comments until I realized it was TERFs transvestigating me

Stevie T

If we were to believe the HYPE , there must be a very large percentage of the population of Transsexual/Transgender Women, as someone who transitioned 25 + years ago, I find the current pre occupation with what is a very tiny minority of the population ‘Completely Bonkers’ …

Neil

Thanks for this. Living in Scotland, and with a sister who's a trans woman. I can testify that being pro-trans is a very isolating experience even in a left-leaning milieu. It's not just the posho mums net crowd, unfortunately. Anyway, it's refeshing to get your keen outsider analysis. It does feel a bit Wicker Man sometimes ..

Ezra Dobson

Thank you for this episode! I'm a TERF Island trans person and perhaps will maybe be able to understand my mother...

catalina neacsu

I would like to see the obsessed squirrel please

MWD

I'm the right demographic. I never been to a Bennigan's because I grew up in a tiny town, but the lapse Catholic part of me loves scaredness and shitter that close together in a sentence. 😹

Charley

Also as an isolated mum in the 2010s I realised very quickly that Mumsnet would not be my place. When I emailed to complain about the virulent transphobia (sweet summer child that I was 🤦🏼‍♀️) I just got a one line response about a month later and the penny dropped

Charley

She was on Rowling’s witchtrials podcast condescendingly claiming that “left wing, progressive” anti-trans belief was completely different from the nasty right wing kind. Sure Jan.

Yarn

Listening at the perfect time: making a gender-deconstruction themed poster for work with reused pages of a British children's novel about witches.

Tobias Heal

Excellent episode, one thing I'd absolutely love someday is a dedicated episode on Cultural Feminism's "wild goose chase through anthropology" for a matriarchal or pre-patriarchal society. I'm an archaeologist and it's not my period at all but I've recently become really interested in the emergence of patriarchy as a phenomenon and system and the traces it leaves on past societies and cultures. The idea of an out and out matriarchal society, in the bronze age especially, is one that comes up a lot but it often feels kind of misguided as it relies much more on "vibes" than concrete evidence. I'd love to understand a bit more about the development of the concept.

Rebecca

I’m from the UK and obviously think this anti trans crap is sooo tired and ridiculous and just does my head in, because obviously the biggest threat to society is trans women wanting to use a bathroom (oh brother get a life! 🙄). Something I think a lot of these talking points come straight from the ‘white feminist’ discourse - I’m a black woman and a lot of the mainstream feminist talking points outside of TERFs feels very exclusionary and don’t take into account intersectionality. A lot of the talking points that ends up standing out to me most with terfs is the clear white supremacist messaging and the fact that for terfs trans women are not just a threat to women but to white women in the UK and their femininity and their own position in society. **Edited to add not that black women can’t be TERFs because they absolute are/can be

Sarah

Cis white over educated middle class woman of the terf generation, located on one of Terf Island’s last colonies (N.Ireland). Great episode, and I think you read the GCs right. As a minor note: ‘bollocks’ is pretty class-transcendent as an expletive. Along with many of my generation I’ve walked away from friendships because of this and been appalled at… well all of it. Words fail me. I’m not sure if you’re aware of the ‘not in our name’ letter, now under the Good Law Project. But it’s worth a look. https://notinourname.org.uk/

Sarah

It’s always important to check the rosette of the guy with the boot on your neck. Then you can tell if they’re progressive

Amanda Marcotte

It feels to me that Mumsnet cinches that TERFism is straight women scapegoating trans people to displace their unspeakable anger at straight men.

Geneva Samuelson

As a queer woman, if any dolls wanted to line up outside my door I wouldn’t be against.

Jeanne H-B

As an old lady who loved that wild goose chase in my youth (see my several feet of bookshelf with Merlin Stone, Riane Eisler, Gimbutas, and more), thanks for bringing this up. When one of my daughter's college friends was quoting the book that lit him on fire for archeology, it was, alas, Graham Hancock's book. Fortunately, his professors let rigorous scholarship, enthusiasm, and digging guide the spark that the insufferable jerk Hancock lit. The kid studied real archeology. To be clear, I am not mad at the 1980's feminist writers who rode their enthusiasm for an ancient matriarchy farther than the evidence allowed. But I am mad at Graham Hancock for continuing his nonsense for decades now; even if he started out as a sloppy "scholar" he is a cynical, litigious, lucrative grifter who muddies popular science.

Tobias Heal

Agreed, any misinformation resulting from the understandable desire for evidence of a non patriarchal society pales in comparison to the harm that Hancock and his ilk have produced.

Sarah Sullivan

would love to hear your view of how infertility and voluntary childlessness is treated by terfs. their threat to trans people is the number 1 concern, but the terf proximity to pronatalism is a close 2nd imo. great ep and all love to trans comrades esp those in the UK!

Emily Benson

Petition for a “sacred shitter at Bennigan’s” shirt!

Murphy

I'm dual citizen of USA/UK, and keep an eye on UK and Irish politics. The difference in Scotland and England is important. Scottish Greens, SNP, Scottish Labour communicate so differently around trans issues. Just heard a very strange interview with the new ED of the UK non-profit "Stonewall", who was a former Scottish Labour leader, This was an interview with the guardian UK. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/24/kezia-dugdale-chair-stonewall-apologises-backlash-jk-rowling-remarks

Astraea

Seconding - I would love an episode on this. I've seen some theories that patriarchy arose with agriculture (specifically herding, not crops - herd animals are much more easily stolen than wheat, which cannot walk), but it's not totally clear to me why "let's do patriarchy" is the obvious answer to cattle rustling. On the other hand, everything I know about pre-agricultural human society suggests no strong evidence for sex-based differences in labor (e.g. physical anthropology suggests the average prehistoric woman had higher muscle density in her arms than the average Olympic rower today, so miss me with "women did the easy gathering work, not the manly physical labor"). So I definitely understand the yearning for a matriarchal ancient society - but we really don't have any positive evidence for that, either. (My personal and completely evidence-free theory is that gender and class differences emerged with the establishment of settled societies that were *large enough* that people's contributions to the community became opaque to each other. If you don't see the work someone else is doing that helps keep you alive and safe, it's easier to say that their work isn't important but yours definitely is. In smaller and more precarious communities where you're all living together, very obviously dependant on each other, and labor is more interchangeable, "I'm important and you're not" is a lot harder to do - though not impossible.) This has been "vibes-based bullshitting corner with Astraea." We hope you have enjoyed today's episode!

Maud McInerney

Part of me wishes you'd do an ep on the invisibility of transmen because I think it's fascinating... but then I remember how my friends who are transmen are pretty pleased to be escaping all this toxicity because no one really believes in them or whatever, so maybe not. Excited for Thomas Aquinas (medievalist here).

JanaKat

Re UK TERFs defending linguistic spaces, the phrase that comes to mind is "welcome to the background radiation of my life". Clunky terminology like "chestfeeding" and "birthing parent" was invented to combat the epistemic erasure that trans people have experienced pretty constantly. If the loss of words for things hurts in a limited context, they should imagine how it hurts when experienced 24/7/365.

Bruce

If antisemitism is the socialism of fools, perhaps TERF-ism is the feminism of fools?

JanaKat

Agreed. The "original sin of agriculture" theory is one I've heard a lot, usually taken as fact, and was recently surprised to learn had a lot of evidence against it.

Sarah Pristine

I’m a relatively newish listener so forgive me if this has been done but I’d love a 13 part series on the history of feminism in America from the first-wave through to the third-wave/now with all the offshoots and branches and schisms and factions given their due. An intellectual and material genealogy if you will. With a handy flowchart!

Rebecca

My comment made NO SENSE so well done to anyone who got what I was saying 😭 edited it to make some sense

Tobias Heal

Replying to both JanaKat and Astraea here, the talk of agriculture is one that comes up a lot but like you say there doesn't seem to be that much direct evidence for it. Astraea is right that there doesn't seem to have been much gendered difference of labour prior to the emergency of agriculture, but there are still some signs of at least a sort of proto-patriarchy in some parts of the world, even prior to the emergence of agriculture. Obviously, going that far back it becomes kind of hard to define terms, patriarchy is a system that has evolved over time and how the oppression of women has manifested itself can be wildly different from culture to culture. I strongly suspect that patriarchy as a system developed new traits alongside other major social shifts, like agriculture but also the increased evidence of a sense of private ownership that starts to become visible from the Bronze age onwards in much of the world. With all those caveats out of the way, there was a very interesting PhD done in France about a decade ago that was looking at Mesolithic graves (so well before agriculture) from Western Europe (associated with one of the material cultures back then, I forget which one) and it compared sex markers on skeletal remains with the material the individuals were buried with. They found that skeletons with clear female sex markers were less likely to be buried with any material and the ensemble they were buried with was less likely to be coherent compared to skeletons with clear male sex markers, which were more likely to be buried with a consistent set of grave goods (i.e., the male skeletons were all buried with the same set of tools and jewelry). That's a pretty clear cultural differenciation and it's hard not to read that as some sort of patriarchy.

Tobias Heal

My personal evidence-free theory is that the idea of a pre-patriarchal society is best considered in the same vein as the "state of nature" that Rousseau and co. liked to talk about. Less a concrete historical reality and more of a thought experiment with which it is possible to do some interesting philosophy. I suspect that the earliest forms of what could be considered patriarchy might actually pre-date the emergence of anatomically modern humans. I'm aware I'm skirting dangerously close to evolutionary psychology here, like a scoundrel, but patriarchy isn't something that's unique to humans. It's been observed in many chimpanzee troupes as well. Whether that's because the last common ancestor between chimps and humans existed in similar patriarchal groups, or because similar environmental pressure lead to the development of similar cultural traits, or if it's just a massive coincidence and we're anthropomorphising animal societies that we don't fully understand, we'll probably never know (although that last one is highly probable regardless). Either way, like Moira says in the episode, the lack of some matriarchal or pre-patriarchal past isn't actually that much of a hinderence to modern feminism. Dehumanising women is wrong, regardless of whether anyone has come to that conclusion before or not.

Astraea

Yep. It's a hard topic to study, but it is fascinating. Stuff You Missed in History Class featured an interesting paper last month on variations in sex-based differences within a small(ish?) area of Hungary, where one site showed clear sex differences in labor and burial and the other didn't. The paper is here: https://doi.org/10.1002/ajpa.70217 Long story short, humans are diverse and fascinating. And also, fuck the patriarchy.

Tobias Heal

I'll check that out, thanks! And definitely, fuck the patriarchy

Tobias Heal

Ah, I just checked the paper, I actually know the guy who wrote it, lol. By his own admission he was coming at this from an outside perspective on gender studies. I actually have some disagreements with his stance, but it's a well researched paper

Astraea

Eh.... I'd be pretty cautious about citing patriarchy in chimps. My understanding is that it's a pretty controversial or at least non-robust finding - different chimp groups can actually exhibit different social structures from each other. Just depends on the group. I'd also be hesitant to call it "patriarchy" as opposed to "male dominance" - patriarchy requires gender roles and not just physical sex, and afaik there's no serious suggestion of gender roles in the animal kingdom. (That is *way* outside my field, though.) Also though, humans are as closely related to bonobos as chimps, and bonobos famously have very different social structures from chimpanzees (mostly they are less inclined to murder each other and more inclined toward community and cooperation, is my understanding). But I agree with Moira, as you said: it doesn't actually matter what happens in other species, because we can choose differently for ourselves.

Tobias Heal

Fair, that was admittedly the part of my argument I was least certain about, but I reckon the rest still holds up, that the earliest traits that could either be considered patriarchy, or as you point out lacking the gender side of things, not patriarchy itself but something that would later play a role within patriarchal systems, are very very old

Astraea

Certainly something like that, yes. I mean, hierarchical social interactions are *all over* the animal kingdom, so it's not wild to imagine they predate modern humans in the hominid family tree. That makes total sense. I think the thing that is weird about (or that we think of as weird about) humans is that those hierarchical interactions feel comparatively inflexible in patriarchy, and also are more gender-based for us than they are sex-based for most animals. But idk, I'm not remotely a biologist or anthropologist, this could all just be a pretty story I'm telling myself. :)

Tobias Heal

I mean, the question of animal culture and animal society is a whole can of worms, and that definitely goes beyond my areas of expertise. I find all this fascinating but my speciality is early medieval iron weaponry, so I suspect if I tried to opine on that I'd just end up talking out of my arse, lol

Astraea

Lol well I mean I'm an astronomer, so you'd probably be more accurate than me, at least! I just find it all fascinating. I taught a bit of human history (as part of the history of life on earth) and I'm fascinated by development of human technologies in particular. (Give me a thousand years and I would still never have invented mining. "Let me melt this rock to make a different kind of rock" is just never going to occur to me!) My favorite human-evolution related book is actually by an interdisciplinary scholar named Cat Bohannon, called "Eve: How the Female Body Shaped 200 Million Years of Human Evolution." It's a fun read if you want to check it out, although it is mostly pre-agricultural and, frankly, the post-agricultural stuff goes a bit off the rails, so take that with a grain of salt if you do read it. Thanks for the fascinating discussion!

Megan

The slight detour into left-criticisms of feminism as inevitably leading to other bigotry made me want a full episode on Enemy Feminisms...

Tobias Heal

Ah, well, development of human technologies is a lot closer to my expertise (mining and smelting are big parts of my PhD) so if ever you're interested to chat about that feel free to shoot me DM. I think I've heard of that book before, I'll give it a look. It was a great discussion, thanks a bunch!

Stevie T

Australia , 🇦🇺 I think im living in a country where most just don’t care who and what you are . I transitioned. Decades ago and have not had many issues mostly I found the Dr’s , psychs surgeon’s etci I believe eventually the Terfs will burn out, I mean they very shady alliances with out right basis Posie Parker on the steps of the Victorian parliament surrounded by a large of group Of National socialists FFS these terfs are so pathetic

Bethany Hopkins

Tysm for this brilliant episode from Cambridge, UK. There certainly are TERFs in and around Cambridge University but I think you guys are right that it's not a place where they're particularly prominent or powerful- at least as UK institutions go. Newnham College here has been something of a hate object for TERFs for a while because it only admits women and it has repeatedly and explicitly affirmed that includes trans women. The focus on "motherhood" as the important identity also really matches with my experience- the idea that a lot of TERFs are middle class white women who felt like they could have it all , who got mommy-tracked etc after giving birth and deformed their feminism around the idea that giving birth is what makes you a woman/ the object of sexism. I think that idea of motherhood also shows up in a lot of TERF scandals centring on mothers and daughters, like the one set at Marks and Spencers, or being framed as a generational conflict between a benevolent older woman being abandoned by her ungrateful children, like Kathleen Stock's was. And TERFS do play up their Britishness to Americans soooooo much, it is so so so annoying.

Dhoch

One of the great things about Great Britain is that we can still unite the US right, centre, and left in condemnation, for being variously a majority muslim stabfest, an economic basket-case, or a brexit-seppuku TERF factory :) The radfem-to-right pipeline is sadly a long established thing here: Emmeline Pankhurst, one of the leading suffragettes, joined the Conservatives later in life, and Mary Richardson was a prominent member of the women's auxiliary of the British Union of Fascists.

Nicola

I had my eldest child in 2015 and in my delirious sleep deprived 3am desperation to stay awake, I did find myself on Mumsnet quite a lot. It’s a fucking weird place. The most transphobic, biphobic, homophobic shit under the pretense of just caring about women. Vile vile vile.

Nicola

As a UK listener I really appreciated this episode. For my sins I did once spend time on Mumsnet trying to push back against the rampant transphobia and it’s like talking to a wall. They don’t want to have a discussion, they just want to stamp on people. Oh! But a positive shout out - this is a queer bookshop near me that has recently been demonised in right wing press for having a “wreck a Harry Potter page for charity” campaign. Thought it was worth sharing to give them some love https://thebookishtype.co.uk/products/deface-a-page-of-harry-potter-the-chamber-of-secrets?_pos=1&_sid=7c73dbf6b&_ss=r

Stephen Lazaro

In this context of the second wave roots (putative or real!) for transphobic feminism such as it is, I would love to hear you all discuss Joanna Russ' The Female Man. Russ is an amazing author (We Who Are About To inarguably shows this to be true) but I found that novels engagement in sex and gender at times questionable

Rosie

Ooh I think I remember that, didn't realise it was Leeds (nearish me! Although everywhere is near everywhere round here). Thanks for sharing, here's one in return if you ever find yourself in Sheffield :-) https://www.junobooks.co.uk/

kathleen

Without trans, nonbinary, and queer people, DHS would have had a much, much easier time doing its evil work this winter. If supposed liberals/leftists can't knock off the TERFiness because, you know, human rights and stuff... I'd appreciate their doing it because, as with so many things, trans people show up and lead the way again and again and again. Or maaaybe TERF is just another word for transphobe and not actually all that liberal to begin with? Maybe it's that.

David in Brooklyn

THANK YOU for the clarifying discussion of "cultural feminism" that starts at around 28:00. I've heard this term used for decades as opprobrium--mainly, claims that such and such a radical feminist was "really" a cultural feminist--but have never known what it was supposed to mean, except that it felt as if it was being said in a belittling way. And now I can see why the term would indeed be a put-down for any intellectually serious feminist.

A Felt

When I read Right Wing Women by Andrea Dworkin, I was struck by how the conservative women she interviews talk about lesbians in almost the exact same way terfs now talk about trans women. It seems like this pattern of scapegoating other women rather than confronting men has been happening for a long time, even as the targets change.

S

the squirrel yearns to be domesticated!

Allen

It’s striking how much transphobia on both sides of the Atlantic (including in the pages of, well, the Atlantic) is a professional, middle-class to elite obsession. Whether it be Mumsnet and the columnist TERF-industrial complex in the UK or the reactionary centrist columnists (again) in the US, or the Ron DeSantis and Glenn Youngkin wing of the Republican Party, it really is a story of elite paranoia about and resentment toward “activists” especially in their own circles (read: college students, academia, and journalistic colleagues and subordinates at major media outlets). By contrast, I don’t get the sense that this was initially a particularly important issue to Trump or much of the MAGA base in the same way. Not saying they aren’t or haven’t been transphobic all along, but the obsessive ideological project of TERFism (which at this point is just the TE part) feels very astroturfed to me. So I think in this context Trump has just run with something policy and rhetoric-wise that elite circles in the media and political class have spent years laying the groundwork for. Great episode.

Ren

I found it unreadable on a prose level but How To Suppress Women’s Writing is one of my bibles.

Dr Owlstot

I need squirrel peeping Tom photos!

Claire

Totally made sense to me.🥰 I don't think UK TERFs have the slightest idea of what the word 'intersectional' means.🤣🙄

Claire

Thank you so much for this episode. My demographic,(cisheteroukwhitemiddleagedmiddleclass) are so dangerously pilled by this nonsense rhetoric, and so oblivious to their bigotry. I understand the rage and righteousness of a peri/menopausal woman, 😏😬,and it's dangerous in these TERFs hands. Also, we have resources. Gen X gonna be little better than Boomers punching down😔

Claire

Signed. Also dismayed that so many of my friends still have, 'Yes, buts...'

Nevrosiel

Having lived in the UK during 2009-2011 I am very interested in this. Was waiting for Part2 to be able to listen to both of them in one go...

Emily

Oh my god oh my god. Thank you so much for this episode, I was SO EXCITED to see you two taking this on. I am a Canadian who lived in England for 12 years (2009 - 2021). I was involved in climate and feminist organizing. I saw way too many thoughtful, intelligent feminist women get their brains completely melted by this 'debate'. It also destroyed many groups trying to do good activism. I was briefly involved in the Women's Equality Party, for my sins, who tried to settle the 'debate' through a Members' Assembly... it was a shit show.

Mina

Oh huh! Just joined (only a perv, cos I’m poor). Didn’t know you’d done a couple on the shitshow here in old bigoty Blighty. I’m a degenerate transgender, as well as painfully British, so I’m looking forward to publicly laughing and crying on my dog walk shortly 😅

Chloe Rafferty

Got a lot out of this episode & agree with a lot of your explanation for why self described feminists have played such an active role in transphobia in the UK. One thing you didn’t mention though is the secular nature of the UK right. I think the dominance of the Christian right in the US probably inoculates a lot of US feminists against going down this road. Transphobia in the UK is a secular worldview, so it’s easier to posture as a transphobic feminist.

Clara

Amnesty has done an interesting study of how the media has normalised gender critical views between 2020 and 2025 (including the Guardian). The number of these organisations have also multiplied since 2017-18 when there was the consultation to reform the gender recognition act from 3 to 51. https://www.amnesty.org.uk/knowledge-hub/all-resources/like-a-snowball/

Clara

Yeah completely agree. Although they are becoming more open about collaborating with US Christian right, especially the ADF. But if you listen to them it's because they left has failed women and they don't have anywhere to go! Jesus wept.

sage j.

taqiyya mentioned 😇

Robin White

I teach at a university in the US in a conservative state, and I have many black working class students. Teaching the literature of social justice in the Fall of 2016 was revelatory to me-- a black woman basically predicted the Trump win. One thing I found interesting was my black women's resistance to trans equality in that class. I basically had to cope with their beliefs that sex is immutable and biological. We all could get on the same page on the questions of race-- is a social construct, is NOT biological but is nonetheless a construct that affects their lives all the time in America. Gender and sex--specifically the black women-- these students were not interested in seeing transwomen's rights as women's rights. Thoughts?