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Episode 158 [PATREON EXCLUSIVE] -- Emergency Episode: A Rape at Cornell (Patreon)

Published:
2026-10-03 16:26:58
Edited:
2026-10-03 16:40:19
Imported:
2026-10

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Many of you asked us to comment and reflect on the news coming out of Cornell. The story -- the sudden re-emergence of a 2024 allegation of a gang rape at the Chi Phi fraternity house and the university's and local DA's characteristically lackluster handling of the initial report -- is evolving exceptionally quickly, and certain to change further in the future. We decided to record a a quick emergency episode first, and promise to deliver a deeper dive and a more detailed timeline as the investigation and the case develop (or don't).

That's just to explain why this episode is a little shorter and the editing is rougher than you're used to from us -- we just wanted to get this to you as quickly as possible.

If you'd like to consult our sources for the episode, here are some of them:

-- "Cornell Won't. We Will", The Cornell Daily Sun

-- Kate Manne, "What It Feels Like at Cornell Right Now", New York

-- "Cornell Documents Raise Questions About Handling of Rape Allegations", The New York Times (troubling framing, but lots of the relevant documentation)

Comments

alickslover97

Really, really needed this episode given this past week. Thank y’all so much. I know this is a lot, but it’s so important and I know y’all will talk about this with the gravity and understanding that a moment like this requires. There’s been so many conversations going on about rape, and most of them have been horrible and misguided at best.

Eleanor Howell

I went to Bryn Mawr (women’s college near Swarthmore, students at Swat and Haverford and Bryn Mawr could all take classes at the other schools)—my first year I was warned very strongly by other students never to go to the frat parties at Swarthmore. I heard some horror stories but cannot recall details—but the idea that frats were dangerous was just an accepted fact. This was 2009-2013

Eleanor Howell

Great episode, btw, thank you for this—I have been nervous to dive into this story because of how upsetting it is, so thank you for bringing your usual sensitivity and critical eye to this

Lillian McGuire

Yeah so much contrarian nonsense. It's like journalists feel a duty to stand athwart the public outcry about this.

Emily

Men in fraternities love to brag about how their fraternity is "good" because they kicked out 1 or 2 members when they heard of them committing sexual violence. Reminds me of how the NFL temporarily suspended Ray Rice when they found out about the DV, but permanently ejected him when the video went public. It's PR. Also men stay in those fraternity group chats for 10+ years after graduation and the things they talk about (peers they went to school with, actresses, female politicians) are absolutely foul.

MWD

I told my dad when he started talking about the Cornell case that after the Pelicot case I have no capacity to listen because the Pelicot case took participatory gang rape out of the realm of frats and meant that it could be anywhere facilitated by the internet and people aren't even safe in their homes with their partners. [Teaching 126 undergrads counseling related classes right now is... a lot.]

Susan Potter

Thank you A&M for your wonderful podcast.Have you guys ever thought about doing a pod on Evie magazine? It’s truly deranged.

Christa Morrow

I just read WIRED’s September article: “A College Girl Was Exploited on Camera. A Network of Anonymous Men Got to Work” about a young woman who learned she had been raped at a frat when people showed her a video of that incident. It had been posted on “the BurnerVerse”—a social media platform for misogynists. It isn’t all men but any more it kinda feels like it.

WGM

Thank you Moira and Adrian. I always appreciate these heavy episodes for how clear eyed and thoughtful you both are.

Beth McWilliams

The only two people I’d trust on this topic - thanks for putting this out.

M. Caroline Herrera

Thank you for talking about it. This has been a life raft. I feel so strongly about these things that it seems disproportionate to what happened to me, but the rage I feel is strongest for the people I know and love who went through these horrors without a hint of justice or reckoning. My stories rattle so loudly in my head whenever it happens again in the news, and I wish I could put them together in a way that makes sense. Just you all talking about it helps so many people put words to their own experiences and I hope you realize just how much that means.

Chantelle

One of the things that got to me when reading the documentation recently uncovered was with the fact that she was physically unable to get to and leave is that it's agreed that she was naked in a bed and some of the time she was covered by a blanket and that there were several men in the room. So even if she could get up and leave, in order to do that, she would have to expose herself more to these men in order to get to her clothes and get dressed. I think most reasonable people would understand that being a naked woman in a room filled with men might mean you choose the safety of a blanket rather than exposing yourself in order to leave.

catthem

Sorry I can't remember if Moira and Adrian said this I just wanted to emphasize this, although others have pointed it out: The anti-genocide protests were going on around this same time. Cornell punished anti-genocide protesters a million times more harshly than 7 rapists.

J. J. Johnson

Well said, @M. Caroline Herrera. I feel the same way, and hope fellow survivors know there’s room on this life raft for all of us. Solidarity.

Sarah B

They absolutely prefer that men can “bond” over rape because they ASAUME it will happen so they “let it happen” there.

Kimberly Rbn

Thank you for this episode. One item that was not discussed in depth is the University response. As I understand it, the definition of rape under the school’s guidelines does not include the loophole regarding intoxication that is found in the NY law but the University still didn’t view the events as rape. Adrian often brings up the concept of in loco parentis and the role of the University in shaping young people (both in a positive and negative sense). I would love if you could share more resources or thoughts on the University’s role here. Thank you!

Sarah B

Anyway. As always - the sanest takes from you both thank god

MARIA PRAMAGGIORE

They abolished frats at Williams before becoming coed in early 70s. That doesn’t solve the problem but it takes away one degree of sanction by the school and alumni community etc. agree with Moira that frats are a symptom. At my uni we are already talking about the safety training for the young women. Sigh. Stop perpetrating training seems a more direct route.

Jackson Downs

I’d be interested in y’all’s thoughts on what a better societal response to sexual violence would be. I’m a firm prison abolitionist who works in criminal defense, and my experience in that system makes me reasonably certain that the criminal legal system will never effectively prevent or deter sexual violence. That said, I don’t really have my own affirmative vision of what a proper societal response to sexual violence would be, and I personally struggle with that in the context of my work. I’m sure y’all have thoughts and I hope I get to hear them.

Axel H.

I would love an episode on Camille Paglia at some point. What a piece of work.

Andrew Carlson

Thank you for putting this out and for the clarity it brought. This was very helpful.

panoptigoth

Cornell alumni are starting to speak out about what happened to them as well, and how administrators as well as campus police basically shrugged off any complaints.

heater dunbat

Moira, excellent job on Brain Lerher this AM.

Lu

University is funding a fraternity house?!?!?!?!?!?! Can someone explain fraternities to a confused european????

Pascale Andor

Now they’re saying SHE RAPED THEM. It’s truly the DARVO narrative on full throttle.

pixlaw

Fraternities were originally private organizations off-campus, often in the US Northeast. So if rich alumni buy a house and give it to "their" frat, then the University has allegedly little control over what happens therein. Over time, some schools found this too open-ended and forced existing frats to move into college-funded dorms which are putatively under the control of each frat., but theoretically under the school's oversight. Some Ivy league schools do this. Unfortunately, what really happens is that the school very rarely actually intervenes in what the frats do in 'their' quarters.

pixlaw

In general, schools are scared of intervening in frat activities/crimes, because the alumni of frats use their donations and connections to curb any schools' desire to oversee/regulate the frats' behavior. In the US schools, the 'Golden Rule' still applies: those who have the gold set the rules. And given US colleges' ever-shrinking budgets, the power of money drives a lot of decisions.

pixlaw

Speaking as a long-graduated alum of a 'lesser Ivy', I can tell you that the only thing the University seemed to take seriously was hazing-related alcohol poisoning (can't actually kill your students!). Otherwise, violent assault, sexual assault and general anti-social behavior was often handled by frowns, warnings and at best a 6 month suspension. Don't ask me how I know. It's ugly.

pixlaw

Moira has been threatening one for years. It sounds like one of their 'white whale' episodes; perhaps never to be caught. I for one would love it.

J. J. Johnson

Agreed, and I would add that, as a Restorative Justice practitioner, I haven’t seen RJ approaches that are able to handle sexual violence, even when I witness RJ being able to approach other forms of violent harm.

Matt Taylor

What this case keeps reaffirming to me, is that we really need a broad reform to a restorative justice model. I'm yes anding everything Adrian and Moira said about the normalized violence towards women, but the thing that I always think about when powerful institutions come to protect the privileged from facing accountability for their sexual violence, it is because at their heart, those in the field of administering justice, know the a justice system isn'tjust. Restorative justice may not be the answer for addressing that normalization of sexualived violence women experience systemically, but it is the answer as to what all the men within proximity to this violence should face in terms of accountability, in that, it requires them to restore the harms they caused to the victim, without the injustice of what our punative system innacts.

Lu

This sounds terrible? Ok, this might sound dumb, but what are frats actually??? I never got that as an european. Like, their main function is networking? Right?

Maggie Coady

This is all so horrific and wild to me. I’m Canadian and the university in my province/my former uni has always banned frats, a few guys tried to start one when I was in high school and they were all straight up expelled. I think that the greek system elsewhere in Canada and the States is SO wild

pixlaw

A frat is generally a group of college kids who live together under a common name, often in a separate facility, with most frats being selective about who they accept, and all generally engaging in group social and sometimes academic activities. IMHO, the point of a frat (or a sorority for that matter) is 1) the networking, particularly if you're looking at today's greek orgs (see for example Bama rush or the Ivy equivalents, like Princeton's eating clubs, or Harvard's final clubs, or Yale's 'senior clubs', all of which are really frats under a different name); 2) to establish an unofficial but perceived student hierarchy (i.e., "I got into Kappa Tau Tau, or Skull and Bones. You didn't. Loser."); and/or 3) to give new college students a place where they can hang and have 20 or 50 instant best friends. Any of these will subject most applicants/members to intense peer pressure to conform to the group's rules and larger expectations, and to maintain connections for years after school's ended. If you want to get a better sense of this and also be kinda sickened, search 'Bama Rush'. Or watch Spike Lee's 'School Daze'.

Ryan Eichelberger

I saw this article from the freak press being advertised at me and it immediately made me think about some of the discussion in this episode.

pixlaw

So what's with all the "Comment Hidden" stuff? Am I correct in presuming that these are offensive/obnoxious comments that Adrian and/or Moira are blocking from the chat? Or is it something else entirely, like commenters choosing to not show their comments, although the latter seems kind of strange. And given the subject of the episode, I think the former is more likely. But still, I'm curious.

Jessica

I went to smith and remember being told to be wary of the frats at umass amherst for the same reason. I didn't get details and don't remember the warnings other than "watch your drink," but there was definitely a sense that going to a frat party could or would expose you to sexual violence, something that we were otherwise fairly safe from on campus. 2019 for context

sonorasgirl

I can’t listen to this right now as a survivor, but I appreciate yall talking about it. I have heard very few people handle this well, and I know you both do.

Kori Sparks

Being that women should accept a sizable risk of sexual violence when walking into a frat, according to some, what are these people saying about men who join a fraternity? When regretful men claim they were innocent because they didn’t know or didn’t participate, perhaps they should consider what they were asking for when they joined a frat in the first place. When you walk through that door as a brother, you are accepting the considerable risk of losing your humanity, participating in extreme dehumanization and rape, or permitting it on behalf of your “brothers.” For all the people who talk about a woman’s culpability, I never hear people talk about what it says about men who join a fraternity and what they know and accept about the culture they are walking into. Of course they don’t consider these men to have agency, but they should ask themselves how it is they can suddenly control themselves when the woman in question is their own sister or mother. It’s clear to them that some women are off limits, but it gets a little hazy otherwise. Speaking of hazy, sexual violence against pledges would be an interesting follow up.