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All About the St. Pierre Brothers (Phoenix & Birdie)

Another close race! The results are in, and we'll be discussing all things Phoenix and Birdie in this month's podcast! We're so pumped to give an extra focus on the St. Pierres from Silver Sweet and beyond. It's highly likely there'll be some teases for Loathed Love sprinkled in this one since Birdie is about to take the spotlight in November.

We'll be discussing the entirety of Silver Sweet in this podcast, but we won't be spoiling things for Loathed Love, so you can expect us to hint about things that we can't answer on the pod but will be answered in the future.

In the comments, ask any questions you'd like us to answer on the podcast about the St. Pierre brothers 💜🩷

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claireeeee

Do the St. Pierre parents know about Birdie’s sh? I understand this might be spoiler territory since his book is next so if you can’t say anything on it can u at least let us know if this topic will be resurfaced in LL?

claireeeee

What were Phoenix’s thoughts on Rose and Connor when he first met them?

Teresa

I've seen people see similarities between Birdie and Donnelly, what do you think?And do you think they could be friends?

Teresa

Why do the St. Pierre brothers call there grandfather Papi? When I hear that name I think its from Spanish speaking cultures and maybe even Italian and Portuguese. Does that mean that they aren't just French and irish?

Elaine Chamberlin

I just want to know about Phoenix relationship with Tom’s brothers.

Marisa

What is your favorite small detail about each brother (ex birdie being obsessed with Cheerios)?

Marisa

What are each of your funniest scenes/lines involving the brothers?

Marisa

Did you always know that one of Tom’s deepest connections to his love interest would be their shared experience of being big brothers?

Marisa

What is birdies favorite and least favorite thing about Phoenix?

Marisa

What is phoenixs favorite and least favorite thing about birdie?

Marisa

One of my favorite parts later in the book was phoenixs relationship with Harriet. I can see him evolving into being a big brother figure for her. Do you see him taking a similar role with the other cobalt love interests (other than birdie who actually is his brother and Leo who he definitely hates lol)?

Marisa

Which non cobalt extended family member (including prior sfo love interests) do you think birdie and Phoenix will get alone with the most?

Marisa

Can you talk about how the St Pierre brothers’ relationship is different from other brother bonds you’ve written?

Marisa

I was curious if birdie attended Berkeley earlier than 18 since he was a prodigy?If not, then did he graduate early since he’s only 21 at the start of SS? How did he manage to be the drummer of nothing personal while attending Berkeley?

Marisa

I know from the like us series we have the a-team, the Yale boys, and the seasons…can we come up with a group name for Beckett, Charlie, and Phoenix? Maybe the older brothers crew? Their bond was one of my favorite parts from SS

Marisa

What is your dream St Pierre brother bonus (could be childhood, at Berkeley, or more current)?

Marisa

What were Phoenix and birdie’s favorite and least favorite classes in high school?

Teresa

How did you conceptualize the St. Pierres , what came first there personalities or physical descriptions or aesthetics. What made you decide to give Phoenix a heterochromia eye color ?

Teresa

Who are Birdie and Phoenix favorite musical artists and they can't choose themselves or Tom

s.

One word Phoenix would use to describe each of Tom's siblings

Haylee

Can you talk a lil bit more about Phoenix/ Charlie & Beckett dynamic. What do you think was the catalyst for Charlie & Beckett welcoming Phoenix into the fold? i love the mention of them having three way calls hehe

Haylee

Ohh yesss love this

Val

We know scally is the closest thing phoenix has to a best friend, would birdie consider steffi or neil his best friends?

Val

How would you describe birdie and tom’s relationship post SS? Do you see birdie and ben getting along?

s.

Of Tom's brothers, who would Phoenix say he's closest to by the end of Silver Sweet? I assume it's Charlie and Beckett

Zyrlim

How does Birdie feels about Tom knowing about his sh? Will it change their dynamic?

s.

Could you see Birdie and Ben getting along given that they've gone through similar struggles?

Zyrlim

Phoenix ranking of the Cobalts from favorite to least favorite

Zyrlim

Now that Phoenix is back is he still close to Beckett and Charlie? like during their calls

Annette

I’m French and « papi » is one of the most common way to name your grand-father. You can also write it that way : papy 😊 But maybe KBR will give us another reason 😀

Zyrlim

How does Birdie feel about Tom now that he's Phoenix's boyfriend and he knows how much he means to his brother?

Haylee

If Phoenix could choose a tattoo for Tom what do you think he would choose?

Haylee

What would be Phoenix’s reaction to a WND? would he be like wtf ya’ll are so weird

Haylee

I think someone else said something similar but can you compare Phoenix & Birdies dynamic to other siblings lo & ryke, Charlie & Beckett ect. Even if it’s just tiny similarities you can connect or see

Haylee

Phoenix view on Birdies dating/hook up history? Birdies type? Does Phoenix think about Birdie getting into a relationship now that he’s in one

Haylee

Does Birdie know more about the Cobalts via the media than Phoenix did at the start of SS. If so anyyy small non spoilery observations of his u can share?

Haylee

How did Birdies history of sh affect Phoenix growing up and their dynamic? did this make Phoenix more protective

Gloria

Can you describe Phoenix first impression on Tom while only knowing his music and then meeting him personally for the first time?

Gloria

Did Birdie ever regret not being a part of the band once he performed with Tom and Phoenix during the live shows?

Reem

What books would they rec each cobalt sibling? What are some traits of each individual cobalt sibling that they wish they had?

Teresa

Oh I didn't know that. Thanks for answering!! 😄

Teresa

As a tease which parent would Birdie and Phoenix prefer to spend the day with if they have no choice?

Teresa

Was it done purposely that Audrey and Birdie didnt meet in SS or you just didn't have enough page count to fit them meeting in the book?? And if its not to much of a spoiler can you say if it will be like Burn Bright for where there book starts and theyve already met or SS and they meet each other for the first time? ❤️

Kayleigh

Did Birdie go to college or just got in? If he went, did he graduate? When?

Haylee

oh i love this one sm

Marisa

I feel like the St Pierre brothers have one of the most physical brother relationships in the addictedverse. What made you decide to make them the kind of brothers who wrestle each other? I loved how Phoenix would pull birdies shirt over his face to get him to stop.

Marisa

I was pleasantly surprised to see that Phoenix was a lover of Shakespeare, had library books in his room, and just seems very well read. How were his grades in school? Was he a good student? How about birdie?

Marisa

What is your favorite scene of Phoenix and birdie together from SS?

ann.nonymous

Omg yes this! And what would they talk about? How often would they call? 🫠

Teresa

Can Phoenix and Birdie ice skate/ play hockey and do they follow any professional sports teams?

Haylee

yesss pls add this to my original question x

Haylee

What are the most “big brother” traits you see in Phoenix, and the most “little brother” traits you see in Birdie? Like, what individual qualities or personality traits about each of them give off that older/younger brother energy?

ann.nonymous

Can you discuss the St. Pierre brothers relationships with each of the members of Nothing Personal? Who’s closer to who? Are they all one friend group? Or is one brother closer to one band member? Did the brothers meet the other members at the same time?

ann.nonymous

Has Wolfgang always been more of a relationship person than Birdie?

Haylee

If Phoenix had to which Cobalt would he spend the day with? (Outside of Tom of course)

Haylee

Now Harriet, Jo and Phoenix are friends is there something they would defs do together? would they go watch Jo fight?

Marisa

What is Phoenix’s favorite and least favorite thing about each cobalt?

Sarah

Would love some insight into Phoenix’s relationship with Rose and Connor. What do they think of him and his relationship with Tom?

Sarah

Phoenix mentions that his French papi lived with him and his family whilst he was young, and this is why he speaks the language. Is their grandpa still alive and are / were Birdie and Phoenix close with him?

Marisa

Does birdie speak French as well/fluently as Phoenix?

r

Was wondering if any of the cobalt brothers met birdie…he is mentioned by Phoenix in front of Beckett and Charlie I think so im wondering if they have ran into each other off page and it wasn’t mentioned or is that saved for LL ? 👀

Teresa

For Birdies sexuality should we be leaning more towards Maximoff who's bisexual or Connor who prefers not to be labeled?

Sarah

What is the reasoning behind Phoenix and Birdie being named that? I understand their middle names are affiliated with famous classical musicians, but are their parents also huge bird enthusiasts? What was your creative process behind these names?

Sarah

What was your process of creating these characters, and who came first? Were there any major changes from the first iterations to the final versions of Birdie and Phoenix that we get to read on page?

Yasti

I love that some of the “All About” podcasts have corresponding emojis. I noticed that you used “💜🩷” at the end of this post — could we possibly add that to the title? This is so besides the point and it’s totally okay if not but I think it really brightens up the podcast titles!! 🥰

Mal

Which cobalt is Birdie most likely too become the most closest too?

Kendall

hii i know that phoenix said birdie’s sexuality was undefined but how would birdie define it?

Teresa

Did Phoenix and Birdie have any pets growing up?

Teresa

If Audrey wasn't Birdies love interest who of the cobalts would Birdie most and least likely get along with?

booky

Out of the Hale, Meadows, and Abbey families, who would Pheonix and Birdie get along with best, and who would they get along with least?

Lina

Do either of them like sports? And if so which ones and what teams do they support?

Teresa

Was there any significance to the St. Pierre parents names ( Phillippe and Miriam) ?

h

We know that Birdie's dream is to be in a rock band, but is his favorite instrument to play the drums? The cello? Something else? Or just anything as long as he's playing an instrument and making music?

h

Will we learn why the St. Pierre's gave both of their sons aviary names? If not, can you talk about why you chose for them to both be named after birds?

h

What was the thought process of giving Phoenix heterochromia and was there any specific reason you chose to give him a central pattern?

Reem

If they could assign themselves and the cobalt siblings a hero character and a villain character from any book who would they be?

Annie R

Was Phoenix always going to be in book 2? Was he always Tom’s LI? What about birdie, when and how did he become Audrey’s LI and why back to back st Pierre books?

h

Was there a specific scene in Silver Sweet that convinced you Birdie was Audrey’s love interest or was it just his whole character matched hers?

Lucia

Has Birdie met Joana and Harriet now that they've become friends with Phoenix? And has he met any cobalt brothers?

Teresa

Why did you choose french and irish as the St. Pierres ethincity?

Lucia

What does birdie think is Tom's best trait as a boyfriend for Phoenix?

Lily💌

Which other sibling relationship in the addicted world is most comparable to Phoenix and Birdie?

Teresa

On a scale of 1 to 10 how good are Birdie and Phoenix as dancers?

Safiyyah R

Ideal date that the brothers would plan for their significant other? And then what would be a date they would enjoy that their significant others planned for THEM 🤭

Safiyyah R

Who would phoenix want to go on a double date on if he had to choose?

Hayat

If they were each a part of a quiz bowl what would be their niche/unserious specialty. For example instead of music for Audrey, she would be a twilight specialist.

Marisa

😂😂😂😂

Marisa

Out of all the cobalt empire characters, I am so excited that Birdie is the love interest that will be getting a second book with the girl squad series. Without going into detail, do you already have an idea of what you want his and Audrey’s story to look like for their second book, or do you just know that their story will continue but haven’t gotten past that yet?

Marisa

What’s birdie and Phoenix’s favorite thing to do together on a night off?

Teresa

What would Birdie and Phoenix do if they each were stuck on an elevator alone and also with their LI?

Teresa

From what was said in SS it looks like the St. Pierres are known in the music world. Are they a small family or do Phoenix and Birdie have aunts, uncles and cousins who are apart of that world aswell?

Sarah

Do Phoenix and Birdie believe in fate / destiny / luck ? I believe that Phoenix’s POV mentions him believing in destiny, but was wondering if you could expand on this and also give some insight into what Birdie thinks also.

Sarah

In chapter 66 of SS, Phoenix mentions that he mostly keeps in touch with Charlie and Beckett, and mainly does so through three way calls. What do they talk about during these calls ?

Teresa

Has Phoenix taken Tom to his childhood home and if not is that something Tom would like to see?

Teresa

Which St. Pierre brother was the most interesting to write and to read while writing the book? And why?

claireeeee

What was the process behind choosing their names? What made y’all come up w phoenix and birdie?

claireeeee

Did any other brother bond that you’ve seen in media inspire phoenix and birdie’s bond?

claireeeee

What mental state is birdie in leading up to Loathed Love?

Marisa

What made you decide to give birdie a buzz cut in SS and then have him grow it out throughout the book? Did it have to do with you wanting him to have longer hair at the start of LL, or did you feel that it was just right for his character progression during SS?

Teresa

Can Birdie and the other members of Nothing personal not afford there own place to live or live in a better place?

Marisa

lol I was thinking that too. They live like poor starving artists

claireeeee

How open are phoenix and birdie w each other? Are they like tom/eliot level or xander/moffy? (Not saying moffy and xander aren’t close but they don’t share everything w eachother)

Marisa

Did you mean Phoenix and birdie?

claireeeee

Omg yes i just fixed that! Thank u

Teresa

Is there a musician you know about who threw there drumsticks in the crowd and hurted someone?

Marisa

Would Kinney consider extending an invite to Birdie to join the Rainbow Brigade after she gets to know him through Audrey?

Marisa

I know that in a past podcast you said that after you named the hot drummer (who you knew would be Tom’s love interest’s little brother) “Phoenix” in the like us series, you realized that you loved the name for a love interest and wished you would have saved it for one. That is what led to the name switch where the hot drummer was actually Birdie, which then allowed Phoenix to be used for Tom’s love interest. Fast forward a few years, and you decided to make the hot drummer Audrey’s love interest. Do you guys find it funny that in the end you could have just kept Phoenix as the name of the hot drummer all along?

claireeeee

What iconic duo would u compare these two to?

Teresa

What are you most excited for us the readers to see from the St. Pierres in Loathed love?

claireeeee

Has kinney met phoenix yet? If so, has she asked him to join the rainbow brigade? Has tom told phoenix about the rainbow brigade?

Libby

Can we get any more info on Scally’s friendship with Phoenix? He mentions that they are life long besties and then we see them interact like once more in the book? Super unusual as normally all relationships are so well developed <3

Krista & Becca Ritchie

Thank you all for all the amazing questions! We've begun prepping this podcast, so anything after this comment won't make it on-air on the pod. We can't wait to record this one!!

Jessica

What kind of sandwich was birdie eating in chapter 2 of loathed love?

Sarah

Omg I seriously am not Leo’s fan. Even if he is Beckett’s LI, I wouldn’t forgive him for messing with me by trying to use my brother. Too cringey. Love Tom & Phoenix though.