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I parked next to the curb rather than pulling into my driveway. Mainly because I couldn’t. Someone’s car was parked where Daisy’s car should have been. I didn’t recognize it… but it wasn’t hard to figure out who it belonged to. A sports car. Sparkling cherry.

I gripped my steering wheel as I stared at the red paint… seeing red… red… so angry… an image of a bull snorting and grunting, hoofs stamping on the ground, head tilting down and aiming deadly horns…

What I wouldn’t give to smash into that stupid little car. Ram it over and over with my Subaru. But that wouldn’t solve anything. It wouldn’t even make me feel better. It would just result in paperwork. Police. Charges. Money.

So many people, mostly men, dreamed of revenge. Breaking the bitch I’d heard it called. Ruining the woman who was unfaithful. And I could understand it. There was a primal sort of catharsis in the idea of being a cave person and simply smashing the guilty party with your club. Hooting and hollering and dancing around as if you’d accomplished something. But that was before our frontal lobes had developed. Before we gained feelings. Emotions. Consciousness. Besides, we lived in a world of rules and consequences. No more caves. Still had the clubs though.

Revenge felt like a good idea. But practically speaking… It was never a good idea. No matter what you imagined, there were always moving parts and consequences you’d never expect. It was like trying to plan the perfect murder. There was no such thing. There was always a loose thread. A missed detail. And revenge was even worse because it was even more emotional and reactive. I’d read plenty of erotic stories over the years (not something I did often but every once in a while my brain needed some sort of distraction from all the coding I did), and all the ones that had revenge as the main point, were more fantastical than even the most fantasy fantasy to ever fantasy.

In real life, revenge was never clean. Never harmless. Never satisfying, at least in the long run. If I smashed Ash’s car, it would only feel good for the few moments the adrenaline was pulsing through my veins. Then I’d have to deal with the fallout. The shouting. The authorities. Lawyers. Finances. Etc. And that wouldn’t solve anything. It would just make things worse.

But… maybe the worst thing about it was… I didn’t really want revenge. My anger was isolated. Temporary.

It had been a month since Daisy had sent that text to Ash ending their affair. Since then, whenever I’d checked their text exchange, it was all professional. So, unless they were saving all the illicit things for in-person or they had moved to another chat app that wasn’t synced with the cloud, she had maintained her fidelity this entire time.

Maybe she still was. Just because Ash’s car was here didn’t mean…

I leaned forward and put my forehead against the steering wheel. “Don’t be a fool, Conner. Just don’t. Stop trying to make excuses. There’s no need.” The words spoken by my own mouth were knives in my chest. But I happily sheathed the blades into myself. I deserved them. I deserved it all.

This was all my fault. I was the one driving. Maybe if I’d looked both ways a second time at the intersection. Sure, the man was drunk, but… still… Surely there was a way to avoid it. And now my body was just… lacking. I had basic functions but not the ones that defined me as a man. And God help me, I knew that was so utterly toxic. The idea that a man’s worth was measured by his dick size and ability to get erect. Stupid. So fucking stupid.

Tears slipped down my cheeks, along my chin. My lip quivered, and I held in a sob. God… everything was so dark. So heavy. Why did it feel like I was underwater, trying to breathe but only getting lungs full of liquid? My heart was pounding. Faster. Faster. Everything was oppressive… stifling. Hot and yet cold. The hair on my arms and the back of my neck was like the prickles of a cactus.

A panic attack.

I was having a panic attack.

It had happened before, after the accident and the surgeries. But it had been a while since I’d had it happen like this. An overwhelming sense of anxiety and… and… the world was ending. Everything was pointless. I was going to die. Right here. Now. In this car. Sitting in front of my house while my wife was inside, no doubt getting fucked the way she deserved.

The feelings washed over me. Crushing me. Pressing down harder and harder. I was a man lost in a dark sea. A storm making waves pound, pushing me beneath the surface trying to drown me. And I didn’t know if I wanted to fight back. 

I’d come home early. Early because I wanted to talk to Daisy. To try… maybe to confront her finally about what was going on, or what had been going on. I thought maybe a month removed from the affair would be enough and now we could sit down and really discuss things. To air it all out and start working towards something better. Our sex life was getting better. We’d found a sort of balance. And though I hated that damn plastic penis, it was helping. The one advantage of it was that I could just go and go. It didn’t matter if my real cock was hard or not. So it gave Daisy nearly endless pleasure.

The look on her face when I was ramming into her as hard as I could, focusing my frustration and rage into the penetration of her, was all-consuming. And the satisfied look after… It was worth it.

My breaths were coming in short and shallow. Watery. I gagged. I pushed my door open and stumbled out into the street, trying to gain perspective. To get out of the confines of that stupid claustrophobic car. Out in the open air. It helped, but only marginally.

I bent over, hands on my knees, like I was about to vomit into the street like some drunk. But all I did was dry heave breaths. The doctors told me that when a panic attack took me, it was important to ground myself. To remember that I wasn’t dying. It was just my body going insane (not the clinical term but an apt description). I fell to my knees, hands on the rocky, rough asphalt, and felt the heat, the grit. I breathed in deep and smelled gas and oil and sun-blazed stone.

My pulse slowed.

I pressed my hands on the ground harder. This was real. This was steady. Sturdy. Real.

My lungs filled with air. I breathed out. In. Out.

Slowly but surely, everything calmed down, and in the panic's place was exhaustion and… emptiness. As if I’d felt all the emotions a person could physically handle in a day, all compressed into a handful of minutes. I was empty. Devoid of anymore panic, but no other emotions either. They’d all burst out in a singular moment in time, and now it would take time to refill. 

I stood up, dusting off my jeans and hands, seeing the indentations of the little pebbles and stones that had pressed into my palms. 

Real. Real.

I flexed my hands, feeling the pain of those little indentations.

Real.

Slow deep breaths. I stood. Calmly taking things one little movement at a time.

I shut my door quietly, stood for a moment considering what I should do… but I knew… I knew what I was going to do.

…

Everything I did was slow and quiet. The last thing I wanted was to… well would it be so bad if I surprised them and made them scramble? 

I shook my head. No, I didn’t want that.

Making my way down the hall to the bedroom… our bedroom… I kept close to the wall. I was familiar with my wife’s sounds. There was no doubt what was happening. Any hope that maybe I was wrong had been shattered almost immediately when I stepped into the house. She wasn’t doing anything to hide her pleasure.

I’d seen videos and pictures. But… knowing I was about to see it in real life had my stomach clenching. But my emotions were still missing. I still felt empty. Drained.

The door was open enough to peek inside easily.

What I saw… It was like an arousal attack. Like a panic attack but with lust.

She was drenched in sweat. Sweat from work, no doubt, but also from… who knows how long she’d been home and doing this. Hair up in a messy ponytail. Completely nude. Breasts bouncing gently as she had her hands planted on Ash’s shoulders. He was lying back… in my place… my side of the bed… hands on her hips and that fucking grin…

Some men were lucky. And they knew it.

Ash was one of them. He was almost a walking cliche. Charismatic. Good looking. Big dick. Good in bed. Casual. The only thing he wanted was physical, and though most of the time women wanted some sort of emotional connection, that didn’t mean they didn’t enjoy sex for the sake of it either. Besides paying for it, Ash was the next best thing. A man totally willing to give a woman what she wanted, when she wanted.

From the angle I was at, I could see Daisy’s ass. Beautiful. Firm. Cheeks naturally opening as she moved, allowing me to see… God…holy fuck. Ash’s cock seemed even bigger in real life. That was stupid, of course, but still… it just seemed more real. Thick and throbbing and slick with Daisy’s cream as it slid out from her smooth mound. Her lips were clinging tightly to him. Sucking and gripping as he slid out. Then swallowing him back in, stretching around his thickness and accepting him into her body.

She was moving slowly. Something we hadn’t done in a while. Nothing about any of our intimate sessions had been slow. It had always been frenzied, needy. But she was moving up and down on this monster like she was savoring every inch and feeling.

“Fu…fuuuuck ohhhhhh….” Daisy whimpered softly. Hands gripping Ash’s shoulders tighter as she kept herself propped up, moving as if she were in a porn, a camera set up behind her and the director telling her to go slower, open those ass cheeks, show off that dick inside your married cunt.

I watched, frozen in place. There was no denying how erotic it was. The times I’d watched my plastic sheath enter her were never like this. It just looked… false. Hollow. Poetic actually since it was hollow, and what should have been inside my wife was limp and languid inside that emptiness.

“Oh, shit D… fucking how are you tighter now… you been doing your kegels or something?” He was breathing deeply, no doubt trying to pace himself. I couldn’t blame him. Daisy could milk a cock with her sex like she was a succubus.

“Such a dick.” She groaned, sitting up straight and moving her hands to her breasts, rubbing her nipples slowly as she rose and fell on the thick member Ash was happy to give her.

“Yeah… a fat dick. Just for you. God, you feel fucking good. Ohhhh shit, I should give you rides home more often.” Ash chuckled and let his head fall back on my pillow, moving his hands to fold them behind his head, watching my wife ride him.

“Can’t you just… shut up? I just need your cock, not your fucking commentary.” Daisy growled a little, the frustration in her tone clear.

Ash smirked. “What? You don’t like me telling you how good that cunt feels?” He reached down and gave her ass a slap. “How tight this ass is? I love climbing behind you. Watching those glutes tense and sway. It’s fucking sexy. Even better when you’re doing it on my dick.”

“God…” I wasn’t sure if the utterance was one of pleasure, frustration, anger or maybe all of the above. She kept moving up and down. The soft squelching of her pussy sucking in Ash’s dick filled the room along with her moans.

“Holy fuck D… my fucking god how in the world is Conner not fucking you every minute…”

Daisy froze.

Ash sensed something wrong immediately. I guess I couldn’t say he was a complete meathead. Maybe he wasn’t the most emotional person, but it was clear he wasn’t completely out of tune with body language.

“Wh…what?” He asked tensely.

I couldn’t see Daisy’s face. But the way her body went rigid and stopped moving told me she was tensing up like she was getting ready to punch someone.

“Don’t talk about him… don’t you fucking dare talk about Conner. He’s twice the man you are.” Her words were husky, raw, and I was sure she was on the verge of tears.

“I… hey I didn’t mean… I’m not into that sort of thing… like, I…” Ash stammered. I could see his face, and he looked mortified. Though that fear wasn’t enough to make him go soft, he was still balls deep inside her and still throbbing.

“Let’s be clear, Ash… maybe I should have said this sooner. That’s on me. This is just fucking. It’s sex. And I don’t want you getting into that stupid rock brain of yours that you’re somehow better than my husband. I’m not some unhappy wife looking for some good dick because her husband doesn’t pay attention to her. Conner gives me far more than I deserve.” She put her hands back on Ash’s chest, but this wasn’t a posture to try to steady herself. It was almost threatening. “You don’t know what he’s been through. What we are going through.” Her voice was so raw… on the verge of cracking.

“I… hey Daisy… I’m sorry… mmm, fuck seriously…” He was clearly conflicted about feeling her pussy squeezing him and what was most likely a look of blazing intensity from Daisy.

“You’re a dick, Ash. That’s all you are. What I… god help me, it’s what I need. Conner can’t… I… fuck it… you don’t need to know. But I need this. I need your raw cock. The feeling of skin. Of cum. So you can either get with the program and just fuck me. Use me. Claim my fucking holes and use me like a whore. Or you can get out. I’m not replacing my husband. You’re not better. I don’t want your attention. I want your penis. Now… don’t say another damn fucking word about my husband, a man you can never hope to be compared to.”

Her nails dug into Ash’s chest. He groaned. Maybe in pleasure. Maybe pain.

“I… I get it, Daisy… I get it… I’m not gonna make waves… I swear.” He was panting as if he’d just gone through a trial that would decided if he lived or died.

“Good.” Daisy sat back up, trailing her nails along his chest. “Now… fuck me. Fuck me till I fucking cry…” It sounded like she was already crying. A soft sniffle, a hitching gasp in her throat.

Ash lay back for a moment, hesitating, staring up at my wife, who most likely looked like a weeping goddess.

The moment passed, and Ash nodded, accepting the role my wife had cast him in. Grabbing hold of her hips, he rolled her over, so she was on her back. His sweaty muscles rippled as he pushed her legs up and wide. Daisy gasped. His cock never left her pussy. And now I could see between his legs. Her asshole puckered and smeared with her dripping cream. His cock buried to the hilt and balls pressed against her.

“Hold the fuck on.” Ash growled and began to ram. He pounded her relentlessly over and over, blindingly fast. His balls swayed and smacked against her ass, and she screamed. I cringed at the shriek she let out.

Her pussy was dripping and gripping his cock as it pounded into her, a lubed-up piston going at full speed. “Take my fucking dick, you slut! Take it!” Ash groaned.

“Oh…oh my fucking god!” she cried. And now that she was lying back, I could see the tears in her eyes. On her cheeks. Her lip was quivering as she took Ash’s assault.

“Yes! Yes! Oh god fuck me! Fuck my little fucking cunt!” She cried out and gripped the sheets, digging in her nails and ripping little holes in the fabric.

“Yeah! You like this fucking fat dick inside you? Huh? You need this raw meat? In that fucking oven? Huh. Say it! Say you fucking want my cock, you slut!”

Ash’s sudden dominance after his apparent fear and submission was intense. I’d already cum in my pants. I never got erect. But I’d felt the stirring, the rising feeling of my cum and orgasm. But this time… it didn’t hurt. Well… not as much. It had been an uncomfortable pressure, but it hadn’t been milked out of me. It had come naturally. Watching my wife’s pussy getting pummeled by a fat dick. Her pale mons were getting red, puffing up as Ash slammed into her.

Cum dripped and stuck to my crotch and around my flaccid penis in my boxers. I felt… humiliated. And yet… hearing what Daisy had said… there was a sense of pride in my chest. It clearly wasn’t performative. The only one there as far as Daisy knew was Ash, so her vitriol had been for him. Her defense and affirmation of me were raw and real and powerful. But it was also painful. Because it wasn’t me that was on top of her making her cry in orgasm, it was Ash. Another man. Someone she needed, because she needed to feel skin. Raw hardness and not something molded and false.

“Yes! Yes! OH GOD FUCKING YES ASH FUCK ME FUCK MEEEEEE!”she cried out.

I looked on, no longer trying to hide.

“I’m gonna cum D! I’m fucking gonna cum inside you. You want my cum? Hmmm? You want my thick cream in this tight little cupcake? Yeah, you fucking whore?” He pushed her legs up higher and pounded like a star, ready for the climax of the scene.

“YESSSSSS FUCKING FILL ME. I WANNA BE YOUR FUCKING CREAMFILLED PUSSY PUFF! DO IT!” She was screeching. Eyes open wide and wild, staring up at Ash with determination to take everything he was giving her.

“AAAHHHHH!” Ash yelled out and unleashed his semen. Shooting into her deep and fully like a fire hydrant that was bursting.

“OHHHH FUUUUCK!” Daisy was clearly feeling it, and her head was shaking from side to side… and then… her eyes met mine.

I moved quickly and was down the hall and out the door in less than a minute. Had she noticed me? Seen me? I’d felt her gaze. The meeting of our eyes firm and full, but it was only for a split second. Maybe she was too enraptured in her orgasm and Ash’s ejaculation to really register that I’d been there watching.

It was quiet outside. Only the sound of scattered leaves being blown across the concrete.

I slipped into my car quickly and was down the road in a minute, not thinking about where I was going to go or what I was going to do. Daisy wouldn’t be expecting me for another couple hours.

In a daze, I found myself pulling into the parking lot of a local coffee shop that was a few miles away from my house. I sat there in my car, staring out into space. The image of my wife under Ash, screaming and crying and getting her pussy filled with thick cum burning into my brain. I’d never forget it. Ever. Even if I wanted to. And I wasn’t sure that I did.

A buzz from my phone made me jump. I blinked and realized I’d been sitting in my car, just staring, for nearly an hour. Picking up my phone, I saw a text from Daisy. I left it unread, sitting back in my seat and trying to figure out what I should do. What I needed to do.

I felt so empty. So aroused even though I’d already cum and felt the drying stickiness in my pants. Thankfully, it hadn’t leaked out and stained my jeans. It was already humiliating enough to cum watching my wife get fucked.

My grip tightened on my phone. Everything inside was tormenting. Mixed and tangled to where I was still numb. So numb.

And then I thought of Ella. Numb. 

I’m numb, Conner…

I thought of our discussion so many weeks ago. Of her offer.

I thought back to just an hour ago. How I’d cum, and it hadn’t hurt. Still uncomfortable, but not painful. Was it because of watching Daisy? Or was it something more fundamental?

I picked up my phone and pulled up Ella’s number. It barely had time to ring before she answered. 

“Hello? Conner?” Her voice was soft and sweet.

“Yeah. Um… about what we talked about… is that offer still valid?”

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NightSoulvane

Fantastic writing as always. I'd say the story itself left me just feeling hollow. Even with Daisy's defense of him, it basically shattered whatever fragile trust Conner might have had. Yes he got off to seeing her have sex, but I'd like to believe it was the different PoV of seeing her have pleasure, more compersion than cuckoldry. However, in the end this just pushes Conner towards Ella, though I'm intrigued to see how she intends to help exactly as I jokingly get this weird sex training montage playing in my head..

Ivy Creator

I rarely comment, actually this is one of my first comments but I've been following since the beginning and love all of your writing Viv. However, yes I can echo what Night said above that this left me feeling hollow and empty inside. I knew we were moving to some sort of climax, but the fact that Conner STILL didn't say anything after all of this time, as he's watching his wife be unfaithful in person, in their marital bed, is just so heartbreaking. I know you mentioned the concept of BTB being utterly fantastical, but it doesn't mean that the husband should have no backbone at all here. Sometimes life requires a reaction, a response, and even if its just alerting them to his presence so Ash leaves would both move the story forward, cause the confrontation to occur, and some sort of fall out. IMO Daisy was already very unsympathetic, but last chapter at least gave me hope. Now I'm completely crushed and hopefully Conner can make a nice life for himself outside of this relationship. We all only have one life to live, its not worth suffering for just one person if they don't respect you.

Sleis

Depressing. Poor Connor.

Sleis

Agree, with all of it. For the first time, I think I’m going to have to pause reading this story. This particular cliffhanger is brutal, and Connor’s is becoming less and less of a real character. Daisy’s improvement was surface level. Tough to read and not in a good way.

JRockk

Well that was brutal... Just last week I was trying to give Daisy the benefit of the doubt about how she treats Conner. Now she brings Ash into their home and into their bed? Yeah she's a terrible wife like I said a few weeks ago. It's bad enough she was going to Ash'a house or getting a room but now you're she's showing Conner the ultimate disrespect. Please don't tell me she loves her husband when she can be this cruel to him and idc if she stood up to Ash whlle she was still getting her back blown out. She continued to have sex afterwards. I hope Conner leaves Daisy for Elle.

achilles

i can totally see this going one way. i can see connor leaving for ellie. he will see her as his savior for helping him overcome his issues while daisey took the other road in a way

Crowny Succubus

Agreed with both of the above. I've mentioned the term "urgency" in several comments across many of these stories, and what's being talked about here is exactly what I mean. The problem with most long-form stories in the Cuckold genre is the lack of urgency from either or all parties. Lack of urgency from the husband in confronting what's going on (which is a problem with Collin in "Trinity" and the problem with Conner in this story). Lack of urgency from the wife in fixing her past mistakes or giving her husband any sort of regard (which is the problem of Julie in "Cuckold Consequences"), or urgency on the part of a third party who claims to be benevolent or concerned (which is a problem of Jack in "Trinity", presuming that he doesn't turn into an outright villain). Like Ivy said...some things in life just necessitate actions or meaningful conversations, and the Cuckold genre tends to push back or chicken out of these entirely, and it's that writing decision that becomes a sore spot for readers.

achilles

oh. after a reread i missed the locking of eyes part. hmmmm. wonder where that direction goes

Adam Sephenson

well that flipped 180, goddamn poor Conner =(

Adam Sephenson

yeah, I somewhat missed that as well, plus this offer of Ella's, looking forward for next chapter. But at least he heard that while Daisy is a bitch and brought Ash into their bed, she unknowingly told Connor that she loves him and wouldn't leave him, a thought that both pretty much was sharing but neither spoke it out. It's all coming back to the title of this story tbh.

Hannah Baird

Another extremely powerful entry. This is a tough chapter. It's a tough series and with good reason, it's emotionally draining aspect, while challenging, is wonderful. Exemplified here in a way that makes my heart hurt for Conner. Seldom have I seen a description of a panic attack written in a way that feels true to life. Like death, being caught in this last gasp that feels like forever and you're waiting for darkness to envelop you. This whole chapter, as a reader felt like that, like I was holding my breath watching Daisy with Ash, wondering to myself, how she could have brought it to their home, why she did it, and what does it mean? It's completely understandable to say that Daisy has burnt all good will by this point, and like I think that is fair. But, Conner does have a true love for her, and she does love him, even if this is declared while being with another man. A contrast that is jagged, hard to process and like this entire series, painful in the best way possible.

Sleis

Up until this point, I’d venture a guess that most readers would believe Daisy still loved Connor. And perhaps she still believes it herself…but the latest chapter shows a clear undercurrent of disrespect and borderline contempt that doesn’t feel save-able from a marriage perspective. Say what you want, but having him in Connor’s home, in their bed…nothing about hypersexuality excuses such acts. That’s cruelty, not addiction.

Adam Sephenson

This might be a shot in the dark, but the fact that both Connor and Daisy locked eyes for a moment… that must bear some significance to the plot, I recon that Ella and Daisy know each other and Conner needed that last push for whatever Ella has planned.

Hannah Baird

@Sleis Very well said! It's definitely one of those moments where it's being shown so explicitly how far Daisy has fallen. And I wonder still, what caused her to bring him to their home? Was it malice? Need? Addiction? There's so many possibilities, few, or none truly justify what has happened however. However, I'm in complete agreement with you, the marriage cant be saved, not traditionally at least. And I think their solution will be a bittersweet "I love you enough to let you go" sort of moment. There is also a silver lining, or beacon of healing with Ella, which I am excited to see develop.

Crowny Succubus

To give SOME credit to Daisy, if she really is "hypersexual" then having sex with Ash in their marital bed is definitely something which an addict would do. Real hypersexuality is an impulse that can't be fully controlled and almost always overrides any morality or decency concerns if they are mutually-exclusive to getting the victim's "fix". It's no different from drug, alcohol or gambling addiction in the sense that the person can 100% know what they're doing is wrong and hate themselves for it, but still feel they NEED to do it. However, as I mentioned in a previous comment, the only issue I have is that if Daisy is hypersexual, then a healthy Conner wouldn't be enough to stop her from breaking her marriage vows ALL THE TIME. Again, real life hypersexuals are addicts with no impulse control for sex, and there is no amount of love, loyalty or skill in bed that will make them physically faithful even if they are emotionally. In short, Daisy's actions this chapter are in line what a hypersexual WOULD do to get her fix...however, the idea that it both never happened before Conner's accident and also would stop if he could perform is ludicrous. Conner could be a kama sutra master with a 13-inch third leg for a cock and Daisy would still need to fuck someone or something when he wasn't around.

Hannah Baird

@Adam I think there's for sure some significant there. It might be a moment that galvanizes Daisy and Conner to finally accept what's happening and decide what to do. She had to have 'sensed" him as well I would feel.

Hannah Baird

@Crowny Succubus A truly great point you make, about how eventually with hypersexuality, like all addictions, the addict becomes engaged in often escalating series of behaviors. We've seen some of that logical progression here from Daisy, from just Ash, to the threesome, to their bed, but you are right. Outside of the way it facilitates the narrative, when would "enough" ever be "enough" for someone who isn't in treatment or therapy for this issue. But, I do think this isn't just as simple as hypersexuality, I think that is piece of it, but I also think there's painful disconnect between them, as well as her own inability to say "I need this" but still love him. There's these contradictions, and that's what's really compelling.

Sleis

Generally agree with what you’re saying, but in some ways I think Connor has already come to terms with her “initial” affair with Ash. That first month. But after reconnecting with her, establishing physical intimacy, for her to do this just seems beyond the pale. Or perhaps I just hope it is. She can be addicted and still not do what she did in the manner in which she did it. Addiction could cause her to fuck Ash, but addiction doesn’t cause the level of this disrespect, IMO.

Hadonosenju

That's the most disgusting thing that a wife can do, cheating with another man in her husband bed, she doesnt even care about being catch. Why make him cum like a cuck ? Hope it was for other reason. Why make him a wimp who said nothing ? Well i have hope for the follow up cause Vivian also hate wimp weak husband. Daisy doesnt love him at all, that not love its guilt and fear to be alone

Hadonosenju

Exactly its the ultimate betrayal, she cant even respect her promise for more than one month, she deserve to be burn hard

Hadonosenju

Yeah even is plea about revenge is not real, nobody can think about that when he discover such disrespect and betrayal. And the cum inside his pant was over the top, why make him do that ? Transform him into wimp cuck ?

Crowny Succubus

Addiction doesn't care about respect or disrespect. Anyone who's dealt with an addict can tell you that. Addicts lie to you, they steal from you, they will cheat you in any way if your well-being or care gets in the way of what they need when the craving hits. If an addict would sell his mother's favorite locket to buy drugs, what makes you think Daisy wouldn't fuck someone in her husband's bed if she thought she could get away with it?

Hannah Baird

@Sleis That's a fair assessment. I think he has, but he hasn't internalized it, truly accepted it as actual reality. This is the first time he's seen it outside of photo or video and I think the effects of it are near immediate. Totally agree on the disrespect, I just feel like maybe, and it's a big big maybe, maybe there's a reason why it happened, if Ash could have initiated. Hard to say. @Crowny Succubus Yes, for sure. I think most of us have dealt with addicts of some kind, they are agents of self inflicted cruelty and eventually inspire nothing but apathy to their loved ones. Unless, they get to rehab/therapy. Not always a guarantee there either, but there's some possibility I feel that she too could find her own therapy to heal, just like Conner needs to heal. Of course, I could be wrong entirely. :)

Sleis

Crowny, not disagreeing at all - what I’m saying though is that she absolutely can fuck him and sate her addiction. But why not in his car or at his apartment like usual? Unless she’s addicted to now torturing Connor, that connection to his home and bed doesn’t work for me.

Ivy Creator

Realistically the scene happened in the bedroom as writing device so Conner sees it in the act without contriving Conner following Daisy around. Unfortunate because it really does remove any lingering empathy for Daisy but easily allows Conner to witness the event and leave.

Crowny Succubus

@Sleis, we don't know how the home encounter (or encounters, since it seems she might have begun again some time ago) started. Maybe one day Daisy was at home when the "impulse" hit but rather than go out and risk coming back home late, she thought it was safer to invite Ash to her place while Conner was gone. And since she got away with it once, why not again? And again? Like I said, fucking someone she knows in her own bed is nowhere near the worst thing a hypersexual would do. Once the impulse hits, the sacredness of the place or the thing is completely forgotten. An untreated hypersexual wife would fuck her father-in-law in her husband's bed while leaving their child waiting in the rain to get picked up at school. It can get THAT dark.

Crowny Succubus

"Mild" hypersexuality only pertains to the frequency of the impulses...not the severity of them. Someone with "mild" hypersexuality may go for a long time (months, perhaps) without urges, but when they do, they're still just as intense. Again, that gives Daisy SOME credit for being able to last at least a month without Ash...but it's still unrealistic to try to argue that she was 100% faithful until one month before the story began. Again, yes, fiction doesn't have to realistic. So I'm not saying that Vivian's story has to 100% follow the clinical definition of hypersexuality. However, we also can't have it both ways as readers. The story has internal rules, even if those rules don't follow reality. Either Julie has self-control and is responsible for her actions and betrayal, or she doesn't. And based on the "rules" presented by the story, Julie is a hypersexual whose only effective "treatment" was Conner's dick and, without it, is as much a victim of her urges as Conner is. That doesn't mean she should be forgiven or excused for her betrayal anymore than any other addict would be, but as I said, for addicts their impulses completely override the morality and priority centers of their brains. And if Julie WAS mild before Ash came along, she sure as hell isn't now considering how much they fuck like rabbits.

Eve St. Albert

I respect Connor's silence. What would be the point of barging in and starting a scene. He already knows all that he's ever going to need to know. Daisy loves him, but he's not enough for her. His best efforts, and his own self humiliation with a plastic dick aren't enough for her. He loves her, but now he knows that he's not enough, no matter what he does. He doesn't need to hurt her over that. This is the moment that they face they both have to lick their wounds and move on. That's tragic, but it happens. What's the alternative? That they keep on tearing each other's hearts out? That Daisy lives half a life, smiling as Connor bangs away with a plastic dick. That Connor lives in a fantasy world where he ignores he unhappiness? They just commit to lies and pretending, and a growing silence between the two of them, a spreading dead space? I believe in love, and the redemptive power of love. But I know it's not enough sometime. I feel sorry for Daisy, that moment when she meets Connors eyes and knows he must have heard everything, that she loves him but he's not enough, that her solution has failed and all she has done is betray herself and him, and understanding how much pain Connor is in, how much she's hurt him. I understand her texting Connor, because she's afraid to phone and speak to him directly. I imagine the desperation and need and self loathing in that text, knowing it's already too late, that nothing can ever be the same, and clinging to the dying hope, the need to believe that something can be saved. And I understand Connor not reading it. Being aware of it, and just hurting too much to look. Sometimes love just isn't enough to save you.

Hannah Baird

Hi Eve! So good to see you here! :) Agreed on all points you've listed. So I don't want to add on to them as many of them mirrored my own. But, ultimately I feel the work is headed towards: "I love you enough to let you go." Because that is the way things go sometimes, which is tragically beautiful.

Crowny Succubus

That actually may be a good point. Her declaration of love for her husband and the look between them at the end could have been her way of "telling" him about the affair but also trying to "break it gently" by having her tell off Ash just as he walks in. Conner thinks she said it without knowing he was there, but how could he know that for sure?

None

Not sure she saw him…..he did not get the text for an hour ….he am sure would have gotten something from her a few minutes after he left

Eve St. Albert

I think in that position, my first reaction would be paralyzing fear and horror. Then when he wasn't bursting in and making a scene and nothing was happening, getting out of bed and frantically searching the house Then freaking out as Ash, in 'well meaning clueless asshole mode' tried to calm me down. Followed by kicking him the fuck out of the house so I could think. Followed by just stewing in utter terror and horror waiting for him to phone or text or come back and scream at me. And worry that he might do something to himself but afraid to reach out. And finally, just sucking up my courage and trying to compose some kind of text, not knowing what to say, and then finally sending a text, knowing I was too chickenshit to call and hating myself for it, all the while feeling my life collapse around me. An hour sounds about right to me.

Eve St. Albert

And such a pleasure to see you too, Hannah. I follow Viv's writing, but sadly, I don't comment much anywhere these days. It's such a shame. Too busy with my own stuff. And the accident threw me. I thought about it some more, and going by Connor's reactions, there might be a way for them to thread the needle with a kind of 'swinger's lifestyle' sort of relationship. But that kind of thing requires a huge amount of trust and real openness and emotional commitment. I would worry that the secrecy, the deceit, the breakdown and absence of communication, the desperate effort to compromise and its failure really takes them past the point of no return. It would be an incredible amount of work to get back from this into something healthy and honest that meets their needs.

Eve St. Albert

None. Just a further thought. She definitely saw him, Connor said if she didn't see him, she wouldn't expect him back for two hours. The fact she's texting within only an hour tells us she saw him. Otherwise, she wouldn't have texted him at all, and would only have bothered to text him an hour after he didn't come home on schedule.

Ivy Creator

I actively disagree with the sentiment here. The thought that someone cant be enough for their wife because they get in a physical accident that impairs them is abhorrent to me. If my wife got into an accident and is now in a wheelchair and we no longer have sex I hope she never thinks shes not enough for me. Vows are vows are vows. This whole concept makes me sick and I hope there is reasoning for this switch up of actions here more so than Daisy just needed "raw dick". Conner is enough, hes doing his absolute best, its Daisy who has broken their vows and the marriage. Not sure how it can be in

Ivy Creator

Interpreted in another way. Daisy is the one at fault at least with the information we have in this story.

Dean

Just wait , this is gonna be Connor's life. He'll see past this, and want blame Daisy for doing what's she's doing, he'll see it as his fault. They'll be no argument as he will see it as doing what she has to do do and that she shouldn't have to hide it and she'll want him to be a part of it from now on. He start watching bit not all the time. He never said anything before when he knew it was going on so why would he do it now. He's a loser and she's a whore. I mean if he had been in a wreck and was paralyzed would this be ok, would it be alright to bring her lover home and make him watch no I wouldn't. Don't know why it's so hard to write a strong male character that is married. All the strong males in this authors series are not who the wife's married. They start out some what strong but usually end up folding.

Eve St. Albert

Interesting. So it's a contest? Does Connor win on points? Or a straight up flush? What's the prize? Does Connor get a certificate saying "I won the marriage." Or is it a Trophy for 'Victory Divorce.' I think even Daisy agrees she fucked up. There's a good chance the marriage is over. She'll come away hurt. Connor comes away hurt. They go their separate ways. If there's fault to be apportioned, yes, it's Daisy. Connor tried his best, it just wasn't enough for her, she felt she needed more. Perhaps she should be shaved bald, paraded naked through the street, with a fat middle aged nun ringing a bell and going "Shame! Shame!" Don't mind me, I'm just having a little bit of fun. I don't see a need for retribution here. I just see a need for two people to move on and get on with their lives. Or if they want to save it, do a shitload of work and go through a lot of baggage.

Ivy Creator

I would love a certificate to be handed to Conner afterwards. He deserves it. But seriously no its not but clearly Conner is not to blame for these actions. If anything hes too in his own head and accepts things because he believes hes at fault. He needs to move on and heal, and if anything Daisy is dragging him down. All im saying is if you get married you takes the ups with the downs.

Chris N

Connor more to blame in my opinion. He pushed her to that point not that it makes it right. However she did try for how long to do things right

Crowny Succubus

How did Conner push her to anything? He had an accident and struggled and became impotent and struggled with depression after. His wife is (according to the lore of the story) hypersexual and apparently needs sex with an organic penis. Cunnilingus doesn't work. Sex toys don't work. Prosthetics don't work. There's absolutely nothing in this situation that Conner could have done to change the outcome.

Eve St. Albert

I don't think there's a lot of point for blame. Shit happens.

fanfoot

I think that's enough angst thanks. How about some action? You can't just keep stringing this out. He needs to leave her. She needs to divorce him. Its long past over. And no, some revenge would have been fine/appropriate. Take photos for the divorce. Walk in and stop them. Yes let the air out of the guys tires or break his window or bash in the sides of his car. You think the guy would call the police when he's banging Connor's wife? Nah. And yeah the thing about him cuming in his pants watching? And for some reason having no pain this time? Yet barely noticing he did? That's just weird.

Ivy Creator

How can you say that with a straight face? If they brought this case before a judge the wife is absolutely to blame for infidelity and grant them divorce. Fucking someone else isnt just shit happening. Its adultery, its heartbreaking, its so many things. Maybe we are all so desensitized and no one actually marries for love and fidelity anymore. If this is seen as acceptable and just let the wife off without reprecussion, then maybe I dont fit into society anymore.

Eve St. Albert

Where I'm from, Divorces are no fault. If two people can't make it work, the state has no right and no place in trying to decide who did what to whom and when, or start apportioning blame. That's foolish and a waste of everyone's time. The important thing is any children, and to make sure that the children are taken care of. Which means determining custody and access and child support - which doesn't get into who slept around and who didn't. If one spouse beats another, the spouse beater shouldn't have kids. If one spouse is an alcoholic or drug abuser, that should be considered. If a spouse has an affair... that doesn't bear on whether they're a good parent or not. The second most important thing is how the marital property is divided up, and there are rules for that. Blaming and fault doesn't enter into it. A marriage ending is a difficult thing. I don't know why anyone would go on a fault based/blame game system, and get them fighting like two scorpions in a bottle. That's a great way to make things shitty and difficult, get them really hating each other even more, traumatize the kids and waste whatever marital property exists having lawyers fight it out. This is all just common sense. If someone is really traumatized by a spouse having an affair, the solution is to leave the marriage, divide the property, make civilized arrangements for the kids and get some therapy.

Crowny Succubus

Yes, you can sue somebody or have them arrested if they destroy your car while they're sleeping with your spouse. Even letting air out counts as vandalism. Photos would only be useful if Daisy tried to deny the adultery as grounds for divorce. Spreading them around to other people counts as revenge porn and is also illegal. I'm just saying. I agree with confrontation and I agree with not letting that shit continue in your home. But the plausible revenge is in the divorce court and/or civil lawsuits.

Crowny Succubus

There's a difference between blame in the eyes of the state and blame in the eyes of ethics. There's a reason why a judge can't assign blame but your boss can fire you for sleeping with a coworker's spouse. I agree with Ivy here. The way you sound in these comments is like some unfeeling, inhuman legal bot who thinks that the sole arbiter of morality and trauma is a courtroom. Hell, even your solution of "get some therapy" would almost 100% result in Conner's therapist absolving him of most, if not all, blame to facilitate his recovery, and Daisy's therapist telling her that she needs to seek treatment. There is clearly blame to assign. Whether or not it serves a "purpose" is besides the point.

Noam

No-fault divorce is a concept that is convenient for the state and society in order not to complicate the divorce process, but there are serious questions about its fairness. In particular, it is clear that the main costs of such a divorce remain on the shoulders of the spouse who is most “invested in the marriage,” and thus such a system encourages people to be less invested in their marriage at all levels. It is similar to a form of employment contract where the employer and employee can terminate it at any time without mutual claims on the current status quo. In such relationships, exploitative employers and negligent employees benefit, while people who perform their duties honestly are constantly at great risk of suffering losses. Although the state and society undoubtedly save money and time on what does not need to be spent on labor courts. And if you took advantage of such a system and deceived your partner without being punished, it does not mean that you have become a good partner, it just means that in such a legal system there is no punishment for your deception. I am not saying that fault-based divorce is ideal, I am simply calling for a critical approach to such things and an understanding of their limitations and disadvantages.

achilles

Well after another read and reading all the comments, kinda agree with most in here. There is really no chance at reconciliation for them. Daisey basically wants her cake and to eat it too at this point. She really doesnt love connor. I feel she is the one that needs to cut ties and let connor go not the other way around. She is the one doing damage here. it doesnt need to be a btb ending. She just needs to own it that deep down she isnt a good person and what she is doing is extremely shitty. All the self reflection is just her using a rare accident to justify her cheating.

achilles

or the story could go the route of connor getting his mojo back with the other girl, withdrawing from daisey, her noticing and then realizing what’s going on and putting effort to establish balance bt them with a unspoken confirmation bt the two that what happened recently should be left unsaid.

achilles

like fate forced their hands and actions regardless of it being evil vs good to solve the issue that was dividing them

Noam

Honestly, all this motivation of Daisy's about wanting a “raw cock” and justifying her cheating with it sounds pretty delusional. Okay, she's hypersexual, which makes her addicted to sex and orgasms, let's say. Then why was she able to hold back until the accident and why was her husband enough for her before? What kind of hypersexuality is this, focused specifically on finding a dick, rather than sexual pleasure in general, given that her husband actively uses alternative methods and she cums by it? There is no physiological basis for this, at best it is a matter of sexual preference, but it is very strange to risk your happy marriage for something that is not even a physical need. If, according to her statements, the husband she loves so much is less important to her than her preferred form of sex, which, I remind you, is not a rigid biological need, then either her mental deviations are much more serious than hypersexuality, or she is much worse than even most commentators describe.

achilles

one could have some empathy for her up to this ch. however bringing ash into their house/bed crosses the boundary. i believe she is getting off on it and just can bring herself to admit it

Eve St. Albert

It is most convenient of all for the people involved in the marriage. Why should someone who is not invested or committed to the marriage be forced to stay in. Is marriage a genuine commitment? Or is it a prison sentence. Seriously. What you're talking about is marriage as an exploitative abusive relationship where the 'invested' party gains and wields power over the the other party. That's pretty toxic. "I am not saying that fault based divorce is ideal." I'm saying that fault based divorce is barbaric and primitive and inevitably toxic. It's a relic holdover of a punitive ignorant old testament worldview that never worked effectively and regularly and inevitably produced misery and hardship while providing no social benefit or advantage. Basically, it's champions tended to be the miserable old farts who in an earlier age were stoning women to death for being witches. Among other disastrous flaws, fault based divorce required a threshold of 'fault.' Husband rapes his wife... well, how rapey was it, does it meet the threshold? Husband slaps his wife around... well how slappy are we talking about, is it just a shove, a slap, did he bust her nose, knock out some teeth, break some bones - where on that continuum does it meet the threshold? Wife is an alcoholic who gambles way the families paycheque - is that even a fault for fault based divorce, in many jurisdictions it wasn't. Oh, but this is the entire purpose of fault based divorce, ENSURING THAT HARM IS DONE in order to determine whether this harm is sufficient to grant a divorce. Wow, that's such incredibly toxic bullshit. It's like a Doctor going "chemotherapy is not ideal, let's let the cancer progress for a while, before we decide what is to be done." Let's just ignore the actual lives and wills and wishes of the people actually in the marriage, and go fault based, where some Judge tries to parse out who did what to whom and apply an arbitrary skein of laws and proscriptions and his or her own esoteric opinions, and sort out peoples lives. Society is fundamentally conservative. The reason we moved to no fault divorce, is that the fault based divorce model failed. It failed consistently and catastrophically. It did nothing but produce mountains, entire mountain ranges of misery and hardship, ruined lives, wrecked children, produced a relentless grinding machine that benefitted only lawyers and peeping detectives and produced absolutely nothing good. Eventually, the mountain of evidence of failure without benefit was so insurmountable that we instituted no fault divorce. Children were happier and better cared for, far less traumatized by divorce, custody and access worked better, even child support worked better. Because, amazingly, the non-custodial spouse was more willing to bear their obligations to a child, if they hadn't had to spend six months fighting in a legal and emotional cage match against the other spouse, and had less incentive to take revenge on that other spouse by fucking over the children. Equally, the other spouse was a generally a little less likely to use access issues as a means of continuing the cage match. Marital property issues were also easier, and recognized the contributions to the marriage, rather than parsing out according to fault based rules. Hell, the spouses themselves coped better. Now, I'm a big fan of the old testament as a document written by semi-literate iron age bandits with a mean streak codifying bronze age values. But even 2000 years ago people were looking at the old testament and going 'this is such bullshit.' My respect for the document does not extend to thinking anyone should suffer for it. I believe in what actually works, and works well. I don't buy into 'Well, it ought to work because that's what we believe, so we don't actually care that it doesn't work because we're not the ones suffering.' No fault divorce is far from perfect, but it's an imperfect world. Fault based divorce is toxic garbage by sadists that belongs on the dust heap and needs to be disposed of and forgotten. But that's just my opinion. Fact and evidence based, but my opinion.

Eve St. Albert

Actually, in a lot of jurisdictions, a boss can't fire you for that. Of course, there are jurisdictions where a boss can fire you for voting for the wrong political party, getting pregnant while married, or any number of reasons having nothing to do with ethics. "There is clearly blame to assign. Whether or not it serves a "purpose" is besides the point." Wait! What? How does that make any sense? So if there's no purpose to assigning blame, what is the point? What point do you have? What are you even talking about?

achilles

a lot of anger in that wall of text. it’s not hard to be a human being. it’s just a simple notion really.

Noam

If you ask my opinion, it would be easier not to use the outdated and extremely unbalanced institution of marriage, but to use and develop more flexible contractual forms as necessary and desired by the parties to regulate various obligations in long-term relationships. Marriage in its current state provokes either disappointment or toxicity in people, as you quite rightly pointed out, regardless of the form of divorce proceedings that is legalized. If people manage to remain happy within this framework, it is more in opposition to than thanks to the architecture of marriage. But I think this discussion is going way beyond the topic of Vivian's story.

Eve St. Albert

The past is a heavy hand on us all, for better or worse. If it's holding your head under water, it's important to do something about it. I live in the world we have, I'm just in favour of doing whatever we can to make it less toxic. But yeah, let's move on.

Crowny Succubus

@Eve > "Actually, in a lot of jurisdictions, a boss can't fire you for that. Of course, there are jurisdictions where a boss can fire you for voting for the wrong political party, getting pregnant while married, or any number of reasons having nothing to do with ethics." Most at-will states in the US (which is damn near all of them) can fire you for any reason that brings negative attention or consequences back to the company. Military, medical, judicial or clerical jobs also have the right to fire you for "conduct unbecoming" which 100% includes having an affair with a married coworker. > "Wait! What? How does that make any sense? So if there's no purpose to assigning blame, what is the point? What point do you have? What are you even talking about?" Yes, assigning blame has purpose because people aren't goddamn robots. Your responses, as I said, are how the world works only in a reality where we're dealing with unfeeling robots instead of human beings. Hell, I already gave you a specific reason: "go to therapy" you said. Well, any therapist that deserves their license would take one look at this situation and make sure the Conner understand that he's a VICTIM in this circumstance so that he does not beat himself up or fall into a negative spiral. An equally-qualified therapist would also look at Daisy and tell her she needs help and treatment for her condition if it's really as bad as she says, if for no other reason than to prevent her from destroying her future relationships or the relationships of others, if not hurting herself outright to get a "fix". if there's a disproportion in how two people recover from a situation in which one felt betrayed by the other, then YES. There is fucking blame. But the problem with your argument wholesale is that you keep talking about "moving on" as if once a divorce has been finalized and the two people involved in it have gone their separate ways, the consequences of the relationship exist in a vacuum. You think anyone who knows this couple would look at what happened and still want to deal with Daisy? Even assuming she is "hypersexual", do you think that neighbors or coworkers with even the smallest knowledge of the context surrounding the divorce would trust Daisy around their spouses? Even if you try to respond to that question with "Well how would they know?", that's still the fucking point: Daisy would either have to hide that information forever (or at least until she got professional help) or be a social pariah. Because she's (ethically) WRONG. Meanwhile, Conner wouldn't have to hide a thing, because he's the WRONGED. Again, blame is not limited to legal consequences, because human beings don't live a damn courthouse. What you're advocating is not "less toxic" world, you're asking for a fantasy land where your actions have legal consequences but not social ones. A world where "blame" doesn't exist is a world where victims internalize guilt and perpetrators dodge accountability. That’s not “neutrality”—that’s just neglect.

Crowny Succubus

You see those scare quotes around "purpose", Eve? Pro tip: that means that I didn't agree with the argument. I can, and I did, in the post preceding which you quoted give you several reasons WHY blame serves a point. What I was saying was, even if it doesn't "serve a point" TO YOU, most human beings tend to care when one person fucking betrays another person. And yes, you know how people "face consequences", "deal with them" and "learn"? When they know who's at fault when something goes wrong. Again, what you're advocating is false equivocation, not "learning".

Eve St. Albert

>Most at-will states in the US (which is damn near all of them) can fire you for any reason that brings negative attention or consequences back to the company. Military, medical, judicial or clerical jobs also have the right to fire you for "conduct unbecoming" which 100% includes having an affair with a married coworker. Are Daisy and Connor co-workers in military, judicial, medical or clerical jobs? If not, so what? What exactly is the interest of a company in a private affair? >Yes, assigning blame has purpose because people aren't goddamn robots. Chill out Dude. This is what you wrote: {There is clearly blame to assign. Whether or not it serves a "purpose" is besides the point.} I didn’t write it. You did. You wrote that a ‘purpose’ is beside the point. Or to boil it down - purpose doesn’t matter. So don’t freak out. >Well, any therapist that deserves their license would take one look at this situation and make sure the Conner understand that he's a VICTIM in this circumstance so that he does not beat himself up or fall into a negative spiral. Do you know anything about therapy at all? >But the problem with your argument wholesale is that you keep talking about "moving on" as if once a divorce has been finalized and the two people involved in it have gone their separate ways, the consequences of the relationship exist in a vacuum. That’s not exactly what “moving on” means. You know that, don’t you? “Moving on” means the marriage is over, and they have to get on with their lives separately, which means each of them has to deal with their own shit. >You think anyone who knows this couple would look at what happened and still want to deal with Daisy? Is Daisy’s dating pool their friends and relatives? Maybe in Kentucky. But seriously, once the marriage is over, Daisy has to live her life. That includes addressing or not addressing her problems, which may or may not include sexual problems. That’s how it works in the real world of grown ups. >Even if you try to respond to that question with "Well how would they know?", that's still the fucking point: Daisy would either have to hide that information forever (or at least until she got professional help) or be a social pariah. Because she's (ethically) WRONG. Meanwhile, Conner wouldn't have to hide a thing, because he's the WRONGED. “My wife had an affair on me with a guy with a much bigger dick because my dick wasn’t sufficient and I was fucking her with a plastic penis.” “I couldn’t satisfy my wife, even with a plastic penis. So she went elsewhere.” Yes, I’m sure Connor wants that broadcast to the neighborhood. Totally. I can see him being completely up front with it, advertising, discussing it with his buddies. Every man I’ve ever met was just thrilled to discuss his sexual inadequacies and share them with the communicy. What planet is this? >Again, blame is not limited to legal consequences, because human beings don't live a damn courthouse. I’m just saying that this kind of shit doesn’t belong in a Courthouse, because it doesn’t do any good. That’s not controversial, that’s just how it works. That’s why a lot of places have ‘no fault divorce’ because fault on marital breakdown is beside the point. >What you're advocating is not "less toxic" world, you're asking for a fantasy land where your actions have legal consequences but not social ones. WTF? No, I’m saying that these sorts of things shouldn’t and in many jurisdictions, don’t have legal consequences, because blame is beside the point and harmful on the legal side of marital breakdown. Social consequences - sure, those can exist. You got it completely backwards. Frankly, you seem to be really angry about stuff, and I’m not sure how to deal with those issues. It's not like the sex police are going to come and throw Daisy in adultery jail. I don't know if your anger is personal or what, but you're angry. Vivian is writing a story about people in love where love isn’t enough, where needs drive bad decisions and betrayal, and where the result is heartbreak all along. It’s a story about sex and emotional pain and tragedy, and I appreciate those things. I'm not sure she's writing the kind of story you need, but that's up to you. I’m going to leave it here. I don’t think we need to continue.

FU

Great short read, but I was hoping against hope that he was having a vivid wet dream and was talking out loud, waking up to Daisy crying looking at him realizing he knew. Just when I had hoped for Daisy to have some redemptive qualities she totally is only thinking with her pussy and about her selfish needs! She crossed a line of no return bring Ash into the marital bed regardless of what he heard her say it doesn’t change the fact that she had no regard for the sanctity of their home she has replaced her husband with another man in their home. That’s a bridge to far, but I am sure that will get ignored by both of them.

Eve St. Albert

All I'm saying is if the marriage isn't working, it's time to leave. Even if the people love each other.

FU

I know Connor loves her, but it will never be enough to bridge that divide from their threshold to their marital bed. She just burned the house down with their marriage inside as he stood there watching her light the match. This isn’t a marriage anymore and He is off to seek solace in another woman’s heart and arms.

FU

I agree, read what I wrote. She would have shown him more love if she had just been honest about her need for a hard cock and cockolded him from the get.

FU

I’m not understanding how you are explaining or excusing her behavior, either way she has killed her marriage and any love C my have had left, because he was ok knowing and letting her have it, but now in his bed there are no words that can fix that. And to be honest she is the lowest form of scum with her abuse and betrayal hyper sexuality or not.

Dean

Your wrong most states that are no fault, you can still list adultery as reason for divorce. Most people just list irreconcilable differences as it the easy and fastest way to get it pushed through. Some states where infidelity can be proved it can make a difference on alimony. You just can't file for a divorce and not listening a reason.

Dean

It never said that Ash's dick being bigger is why she's fucking him. She's fucking Ash because she's a whore. It would've been different if she had given the sleeve ,or what ever they were using ,a real chance. You know maybe a week before she decided it wasn't working. It would be more respectful to at least given it maybe 6 months before cheating on her husband again. But she and she alone decided, not even giving her husband ahead up about it not working. But just took her opinion that's she would just go back to not only cheating but doing it in her home that she shares with the guy she married. The only person she's thinking about is Daisy and Daisy alone.

Dean

She said his was plenty when it worked, so saying he's not enough for her is kinda disingenuous. His problem can't be permanent, is not physical, so it's just something in his head. Emasculating her husband is not the approach that should be taken to get him out of this slump. As for him bringing it up and hurting her, have you not been reading how it tearing him up, she doesn't even shower when she comes back from Ash's. Now she starting to fuck Ash in his bed, he brought up the fact that he's laying on his pillows. But yet we're posed to be worried about her feeling. It would be different if it wasn't nearly everyday, she has no discretion about what she is doing. So him not saying anything at this point is just stupid, how can you turn a blind eye when he comes home and he's there in his bed. She is just rubbing it in his face or she's wanting to get caught so she can stop hiding it. But by neither bringing up it up will just turn the relationship toxic. She going start resenting him for her having to go behind his back. He'll start resenting her for going behind his back. You can't start a grease fire and just walk off and hope by not saying anything that it will just go out.

Dean

One thing that I think is weird not only Connor in this series but for a few of the other men in other series is is the lack of urgency that is shown. I know the series is called "what's left unsaid" but when it's right in front of you and nothing is said then it becomes something else. If neither want the marriage to end then it can't be left unsaid or it will become toxic. Even if Connor doesn't want a divorce I don't see how he can just act like nothing is going on, it will eventually start to eat away at him. It'll prolly start with little digs ,like will let's go ask Ash ,when she want to disagree about dinner. Eventually they will have to discuss the elephant in their bed. That Daisy is a whore that's like to fuck men that aren't her husband. Can't say she's not because what she gave the sleeve thing maybe a week and was like, na I want real sick but fails to mention that to her partner the one that she supposedly loves so much and that she cares for. But yet she has no problem doing some that can end her marriage. Connors lack of urgency doesn't make sense if he still wants this marriage to work. The lying and sneaking around will have to be brought out in to the open then they're going to have to see if they're something worth salvaging.

Eve St. Albert

Just for the record, responding to your earlier comment about 'no fault divorce.' I'm from Canada. We have no fault divorce, period, right across the country and in every province. That's sensible and it works. I don't really care about child-marriage jurisdiction places like Oklahoma or what they do. We're civilized. Oklahoma and other US jurisdictions can catch up eventually, or not. >She's fucking Ash because she's a whore. So she's taking money from Ash? Does she give receipts? Is it deductible for tax purposes? I'm sorry Dean, I shouldn't be flippant. But if you're going to denounce a woman, be accurate. Call her a slut. Or most accurately, call her an adulterer. Look Dean, it's very simple, the marriage isn't working. Period. That's the end of it. She loves him, but he doesn't satisfy her. He loves her, but he's inadequate. That's life. Now, despite his emotional turmoil, he seems to enjoy his wife's infidelity because he masturbated to orgasm secretly watching. So if you're leaping to condemning Daisy as a 'whore' are you equally ready to condemn Connor as a sleazy peeping tom?

Eve St. Albert

Nothing you've said alters or changes anything I've said.

Dean

I am condemning Connor, it sounds like he has a problem with the direction his marriage is heading. But unless you say something it want change. And Daisy is a whore, if she was really having a problem with Connor's inability to perform she should tell him and tell him to good to a doctor and get it fixed. If it's not physical then it's psychological and he needs to go see doctor for that. The fact that he wanted to jerk off while watching his wife fuck another guy points to it is psychological. The human body doesn't just quit one of its main functions for no reason. The male body was made to get hard, it can be fixed . I think I've heard some guys that had prostate cancer and had to have there's snipped can put a pump it there. Anyway and if she said she got off with what Connor could do, so it not like she been cut off cold Turkey. Maybe if she was seeing Ash ever 2 months that would be one thing, but it's every two days and now she's being it to their bedroom. That's what makes her a whore. Another thing that makes her a whore is the fact that her husband has a medical condition, whether it's in his head or what it's still a medical condition, but instead of back her husband to get through this she decided to just cheat. If it wasn't for his condition she never would have got with Ash so saying he's inadequate is not true. What is true is that if your wife would rather end the marriage before exhausting all other outlets to fix the problem makes her a whore. I don't see how the marriage could go on after this but I'm not writing the story, I think Daisy will come clean about what she thinks she's been doing behind his back. I think she'll find out that he's known all along and it'll upset her but they'll talk it out. An Ash will prolly become a fixture in their live for the future even after Connor problems are fixed. And one thing that everyone is overlooked is that Connor ain't had any in a while and that's got to be killing him. Most men ain't designed to go that long without getting off, that way guys have wet dreams. The body just know it needs some relief.

MikeM

Excellent writing. I feel terrible for Connor. I wish the part about cumming in his pants wasn’t included. He can understand her cheating without getting aroused it.

GeoKid71

Wow, I am blown away by the number of comments and really insightful, respectful dialog between all the commentators.I know , cheesy but true