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The Untamed Ep. 22 | Uncut Reaction (Patreon)

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Mel~

I’m glad you’re getting into this story to the point of wanting to do a book club or some sort of to discuss it! I’m so excited~~☺️

Pratiksha Majee

I don't know if you remember the scene from ep 17 or 18 where Wuxian blames himself and Yanli instead of saying "it's not your fault" to Wuxian, she says "what's the point of blaming anyone at this point". That phrase does not reassure Wuxian's feelings about blaming himself. That does not make Wuxian think that he is not to blame. Instead it makes him think that he is definitely to blame but they are choosing not to.

Pratiksha Majee

I love how much effort you put in the reactions and taking notes and constantly trying to figure out what's the best way to react while taking notes.

Mayora Marly

I know we're talking about this specific show, but I HIGHLY encourage you to read Heaven Official's Blessing. The story is literally amazing.

Rachel

I would geek out on a book club type of reaction, especially from someone like you who enjoys a real literary critique. I read the 5 books after watching the series and would love to discuss adaptation choices etc.

Rachel

"they are not getting rid of throuple accusations" did you see this in comments, bc there are actual fanfics about these 3 - ;-)

PhuNara ApoBangpo⁷

I was dead and dying when you said "not Wangji being a pick me". Bahahaha.

Glenny Lennox

The books are great but the sex is graphic lol fyiiiiiii

Cato

The scene with the sword scarred me for life 🥲

Leaf

The sex is only in the extras at the end after 100+ chapters, and it's not part of the main story (outside of that one scene in the very final chapter) so it's not really a concern, unless he wants to react to them on cam too, in which case...good luck I guess lmao

Rave M

The numbers in battles - I think of those as "Hogwarts math/logic" - when we see 50 actors on set and are supposed to think there's thousand of them (whether due to lack of funds to hire more background actors, or due to logistics of highlighting the main characters within a larger group. With The Untamed, I think it might be more of a budget issue. So when these scenes appear with 5 people from one clan on screen and they reference "500 clan people" or how there's 5000 but we see 20 people tops - I like to pretend those people are still there and fighting off-screen, while we focus on scenes with our main people, to keep the magic of suspension of disbelief going. 😅

Rave M

I've watched different reactors do MDZS/The Untamed books reactions, and when it comes to books some did a live read-along (which did take a long time and might not be the best option logistic-wise when it comes to reaction videos), some did reaction analysis after they read a full volume, and some did short tiktok videos after every couple of chapters to keep us posted with their reactions, notes and analysis (which was super fun and engaging). Whichever route you opt for, I'm sure it'll be the best option, and I will definitely be tuning in. 💗 The Untamed is still one of my personal favorite shows and I'm all in for WangXian. they live rent-free in my mind. I've read the books straight after watching the show, and I love them too, just in a different manner. After that I've watched the donghua/anime, then a super short chibi animated series MDZS Q (which was absolutely adorable and chibi Wangji is tugging on my heartstrings to this very day). I've read the manhwa last. So I personally feel that would be the best order to go through: 1. live action, 2. books, 3.animation, 4. short chibi series and 5. manhwa. Actually, before going into the books, I've watched The Untamed behind-the-scenes compilation, which was rather fun to watch. I still follow Yibo's and Xiao Zhan's respective careers, whether it's their music (I really love their voices and discography), series, and movies. Yibo I've known since his kpop days with UNIQ, when he was a YG/Yuehua trainee and Street Dance Competition of China season 3 and onwards, once he joined as a captain/mentor (alongside of Jackson Wang (GOT7), Lay (EXO), Henry (Super Junior) and others). If you ever feel like giving it a go, it's on youtube and there are other subs online as well. Just a snippet (@5:38 if you ever feel like this would be something you'd be interested in watching: https://youtu.be/I3RLThgpaPg?t=331 )

Rave M

Mte, I really enjoy his output on scenes/subtle dynamics that some reactors might miss, theories and analysis. Major props for that!

nvmind

I'm not sure if the roof thing was actually a real thing in Ancient China lol but it's definitely a romantic trope in dramas

nvmind

The animation has 3 seasons, I think 35 episodes in total. As for the novel, there are 5 volumes in the English edition. I would love a sort of book club like that!! It would definitely work better than a read-along.

Glenny Lennox

Haha well I was just joking mostly

Katie-Didn’t

Also the season Q with the 30 short Chibi episodes. They’re what? 10-15 minutes after how they introduce every single character in the intro and the silly singing group and such with the super long credits and occasional 1-3 minute bonus scene? Most of those are AWESOME! And some actually fill in some story gaps

Katie-Didn’t

I THINK it was. It was a protection thing men did for women. Easier to hear sound. The roof tiles, at THAT point in time (and in for quite a while really) were just terra cotta so they clinked loudly when anyone walked on them unless they were SUPER careful, but you wouldn’t necessarily hear the neighbor’s roof tiles while inside asleep… especially if you slept on the ground floor and there was a 2nd or 3rd floor. So a man, especially with combat training since most 1 male from every family was drafted for every possibility of major invasion or war, could sleep on terra cotta lumps helping him stay more lightly asleep, not have any structures (unless there was a taller one nearby) impeding any sound so he’ll wake up if he hears anything unusual, OR his view if he DID hear something for easier identification if they see him and run too far away to catch up, and since he’s already on the roof he likely knows several easy ways up AND down so has more than one route of pursuit available if he catches anyone trying to “break” (given the “door” material I use the word lightly unless it was just sliced and dried bamboo, then TRIED is accurate). It was also a HUGE gesture to leave your own home undefended if there had been threats from the nearest town taking over (technically it’s stealing from the Emporer but as long as you DON’T and the livestock, crops, people with titles and appointed officials aren’t killed and the taxes and goods with “I’m sorry” extra were shipped it tended to be overlooked unless you were unlikely enough to have taken over from, or killed, and important persons friend or super distant relative no one even realized WAS one. So that was common along with organized bandits driven out of their homes FROM this attacking towns for food and supplies and generally trying not to stress anywhere too much, but no one knew that since some had a grudge and wanted enough towns to fail for 2nd chances and regardless of motivation once fighting starts and blood is shed, you can NEVER guarantee your people won’t start looting and raping like the caveman hindbrain wants when fighting, seeing blood, registering survival which goes with food and sex (which is the closest thing to guaranteeing survival if it results in pregnancy, it’s not a conscious thought but your hindbrain knows “possible last chance to secure immortality of genes? HIT THE BUTTON!” and the men just get the horrible decision hormone cascade while high on adrenaline in a violent fighting frenzy. And since you’re hungry anyway and the fighting is ongoing when THAT hormone cascade hits it just seems normal for you take things to exchange for food later TILL it’s later and it’s all worn off and you’re puking for a couple days. Female survival is more based on protecting oneself unless she already has children and the fighting just becomes more vicious and things like honor and rules of engagement just interfere with survival. Especially considering the sheer size of China, the, let’s call them paths in most areas, and roads in higher populated more well traveled routes were TERRIBLE, generally dirt, potholed, standing water if deep, muddy, uneven and the fact that a man would care about a woman enough to sleep on her roof to protect her while leaving his own home and belongings unguarded, ESPECIALLY if times were troubled, considering the fastest way to get to her otherwise would be running from his house on those crazy roads, in the dark, and probably being too late to do anything but comfort her assuming she was alive.

nvmind

Honestly the whole confusion about "puppets", the yin iron, and demonic cultivation is such an unfortunate result of censorship, I don't even know how to explain all of it correctly for the drama canon. But basically, in the drama, all puppets are supposed to be living bodies, because the censorship doesn't allow stuff like explicit corpses and necromancy.

Katie-Didn’t

I watch some of the shorts of BTS that comes up on my stream. I LOVE a lot of the FM music videos both live and animated- some people are just AMAZING at the editing making it seem like the songs are like a conversation with the clips! I have playlists, not gonna lie. Read alongs can be like book club where it’s like “everyone read pages __-__ for the next reaction” because people can listen at different speaking speeds. Unless the reader is speaking noticeably faster than average for an audio reading, I usually listen at 2x just because that’s the fastest it has the settings for (I have family in NY and quite a few friends from South America, you just get used to it hearing and understand the faster speech. Or everyone can listen for the first time regardless of speed but if he has to slow down for everyone it makes getting thru the novels slower, so probably best to listen at his own pace and slow the player speed if necessary. It doesn’t have to take that long to get through the novels. But I’ve always felt icky weird looking at people’s personal lives and there’s SUPER obvious moments where they’re hanging out or talking and have to point out the camera to someone to watch their words, or they’re all covering their mouths to have like, 30 seconds of privacy. When I was little and my mom would be reading about what celebrities were up to in line at the grocery store it just gave me shivers. Eventually I asked her since they did interviews and answered the questions they were willing to tell people, what was the difference between the stuff people tried to dig up and follow them filming and taking pictures and stalking someone? She was quiet for a bit and said that it was legal to do it to celebrities as long as you didn’t try to touch or get past any body guards so it really WASNT okay, she stopped reading that stuff or watching channels or shows that focused on it either. Everyone deserves some privacy and they had almost NONE during 20hr workdays 6 days a week going to various countries during the hottest summer on record in several decades having weaves put in DAILY and Xiao Zhan in ALL the thick layers with the black and a lot of leather lookin stuff going to the hospital because of heat exhaustion almost passing out while strapped into the wires at one point, couldn’t keep much food down because of the heat (I think while filming in Thailand it got that bad), they’re all wearing short shorts under the robes, filming the upper body scenes with the robes tucked into their belts and bare legs out carrying electric fans everywhere, fighting off bad moods and sleep, Zhan has like, ALL the lines from being the motor mouth getting grumpy with Yibo after memorizing 2 pages for 1 scene and he’s just gotta say “mmph”. It’s a lot of pressure to begin with and they’re filming EVERYTHING from the time you arrive, doing BTS interviews, cameras on again the moment the official cameras are off, and it’s staying like that till you leave for bed again. Plus crew cell phone footage (they were filmed asleep, in their hotels, trailers, on the way to the “bathroom” (in the middle of the woods) it was like the BTS people being there filming and interviewing everyone made the crew feel like they were allowed to use their phones to take pictures and video whenever they wanted without saying anything; many were fired with phones confiscated but the videos still got put online. I mean don’t they deserve as much privacy as anyone else? They’re working. That’s it. It’s just a job. I love Yibos dance and Zhans singing and I leave that at that, just watching and listening to their work and, not PURPOSELY, anything else that’s not my business.

Jun Hinotori

Meng Yao only guarantees his support for the winner. If the Wen clan wins, he's already on their side; if Nie Mingue's group wins, he contributed the map. Here you realize, in a previous episode, why Wei Ying asked Yan Li why she was giving Jiang Cheng more soup, and she just smiled. Because the corresponding portion of the peacock was also there. I like the MDZS animation, but I'm so glad I saw the live-action version first, otherwise I wouldn't have understood much. It's really good, I hope you enjoy it. And of course, the novels are the best. Don't read them now because the novel has a lot of time jumps; it's not linear like the live-action series. You might find out things in the novel that haven't happened yet in the live-action series because of the order in which the events are told there.

nvmind

omg yess the chibi version is so fun!! if i remember correctly, i feel like the cuteness somehow helped them get away with some details that wouldn't pass the censorship of the other adaptations lol

Leaf

The only way to calm Wei Wuxian down: have his big sis hold his arm on side, his boyfriend on the other xD

nvmind

well there are fanfics about literally any ship you can imagine and more, but yeah these three are popular. the throuple just makes sense to most fans

Leaf

Yeah, Wei Wuxian is a very charming person and he makes friends with the soldiers, servants, street vendors etc. plus he's quite outspoken, fair and clearly a genius so makes sense the soldiers would look up to him rather than other people.

Riri

I would love to see your analyses for the books too cause they are so much more intense and in depth. Not to mention uncensored so you actually have the romance upfront as well. I have seen some people do updates every 10 chs and some people after every book so if you do decided to dive into the books, i think you can figure out what works best for you too. There are 5 vols with about 300-350 pages each

Katie-Didn’t

It REALLY did. Chibi’s can kiss, not necessarily on the lips, and they can definitely hug, take a running leap and jump on each other etc 😂

Rachel

Men Yao, Nie Mingue, and Lan Huan

Pratiksha Majee

Wangji being the only person to be able to calm Wuxian down.

nancy metz

You just don't mess with Wuxian' sister!

Rave M

I think we might be talking about two different kinds of content here, so I just wanted to clarify what I meant. I agree with you about privacy; the things you described are honestly uncomfortable. However, that’s not the kind of content I was referring to. I was referring to officially released behind-the-scenes material like scene outtakes, bloopers compilation on official YT channel (per. e.g. Lan Qiren's actor accidentally saying Lan Zhan instead of Wei Ying's mom), actors laughing mid scene or them taking videos of each other for the official channel video, promo interviews and cast banter in those, cast discussions about their roles (such as Yibo saying that it was quite challenging that LWJ had minimal dialogue and how much effort it took to portray the role through controlled micro-expressions, "eye-acting" and subtle body language, or which pose he would patent for LWJ, like one hand behind his back to convey discipline and elegance, and how his training as a dancer and artist helped in wire-work scenes), or clips from The Untamed concerts performances where they all performed their character songs and composer also talked about the throught process for each theme song, and variety shows that are shared by the production or official streaming platforms themselves. Stuff that’s clearly intended for the audience and consented to.

Katie-Didn’t

She should just wear a “trigger warning” 😂

Katie-Didn’t

I worked at the PHE.inc call center answering phones for orders AND customer service for about 2.5yrs as they paid 8.5k annually towards books and tuition AND would work with me to tweak my schedule once my new class schedule was finalized every semester. Once I got the job I didn’t leave till I graduated and was hired doing something with my Buotech degree. Since they own Adam & Eve as their most well known company, but quite a few “adult” companies (the walk-in stores are just franchises- someone got the money to pay PHE to use the name and signed a contract agreeing not to smear their reputation or sell certain products (Phil Harvey had a Master’s and his wife a PhD and they consulted with MANY different mental health professionals about what was okay and what wasn’t psychologically for them to sell, just to be safe) so even though people might be consenting and totally fine about it, it’s better NOT to get lawsuits). Since I worked 3rd and it was a catalog business along with people that looked at the websites but called to order, and only ONE call center internationally, I’m fully inoculated. I probably read the full description of every product we sold out loud to one customer or another, especially since I got 16% commission on upsells. There’s literally nothing that can shock me from reading it anymore, even out loud.

Katie-Didn’t

8:20 the animation episodes are only 30 minutes with the typical long intro and credits. There are 5 Novels that are currently half price on onAmazon in ebook format (don’t know how long that will last). Each is listed as being around 450 pages on average although if you’re including the artwork I doubt it’s as long as reading a standard paperback novel that’s 450 pages. It COULD be, I had difficulty finding an English translation at the time and read them in PDF format online, still included artwork, and they SEEMED much shorter than that, but I’m also a very fast reader and the page numbers were hidden unless I checked for them.

Katie-Didn’t

Not Iona, kuundere with a LOT of feelings hidden under very very deep lifelong training and just personality. And the trust is a big shaky right now because of lack of communication. Wangji WANTS to, but the RULES all his life, and Wuxian WANTS to think he believes in him, but maybe he’s just keeping an eye on him in case he really IS evil.

Saeng

I would definitely be interested in your analyses of the books and if you decide to do it, I also feel like it would be good to do it like a bookclub, where you read it on your own and talk about it after.

Katie-Didn’t

Looking at a map like that makes you wonder who has an eidetic memory doesn’t it?

Katie-Didn’t

45:09 When you said you can’t trust Meng Yao? It’s the dimples. They hide all his secrets 😂

Katie-Didn’t

51:00 Clan heirs aren’t USUALLY put in much REAL danger when gaining fighting experience because they all have people like Wuxian with them AND they aren’t hunting anything that’s not well within their abilities. Wuxian is well-known for going on night hunts whenever he hears about something suspicious going on and he’s ALWAYS successful. On top of that, the numbers aren’t mentioned here, but Wuxian, all by himself, is solely responsible for about 1/3 of the victories (and about half involved reclaiming people’s land) during this campaign. Several were in very difficult, fortified and without cover so no way to surprise attack supervisory offices and bunkers built FOR that reason before they realized it was Wuxian, and ALL his victories were without casualties because it’s just him playing a flute. Why would they ask anyone else? THEY aren’t jealous, scared, or disapproving.

Jun Hinotori

Please be careful with the comments here and on YouTube; they're leaving spoilers, maybe unintentionally, but if you find out things that you'll only learn later in the series, I think you have someone who can help you with that. But yes, I've already found one or two comments here giving you information you don't need yet.

Deenita Morton

With Ancient Chinese history the numbers are often accurate. It's because the "Chinese" (I use this term loosely) had a larger population. The Book of Han records a census taken in 2 CE which counted 12,366,470 households and 57,671,400 individuals.

mase

agreed! this is the order i ended up doing it as well. The Untamed has its flaws, but imo it's the best version/adaption of the story. i prefer it even over the original novel (as a writer myself, there were a few issues i had with the novel that i just can't tolerate lmao), and i think it's usually the best version to engage with first. i remember there were some aspects of the novel that were confusing/difficult to picture or understand, and if i hadn't seen The Untamed first i may have even dropped it. the live action helped a lot in understanding context and how some things worked. plus i just can't imagine anyone but Xiao Zhan and Yibo as Wei Wuxian and Lan Wangji, they were utterly perfect for the roles and their chemistry is probably one of the best for a couple i've ever seen on screen! but i do still love all the adaptions of the story (novel, animation, etc) for different aspects they bring to the overall story and characters, and i always recommend people who liked any version of the story, to watch/read all of them! it's honestly so awesome that we have so many mediums to choose from for MDZS! everyone will have their favorites, and i think there's very solid fandom support for each one, so no one will have an issue finding a like-minded community to interact with about the story ❤️