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The Untamed Ep. 23 | Uncut Reaction (Patreon)

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Mairead

it's super amusing because you always stop a scene to ask a question or hash stuff out and it's *always* right before the show is about to answer your question or clear something up lol. :-)

Rae

The actor that plays Jin Ling is the same age as the actor who plays Wangji

hellafruity

The actor who played Wei actually had to practice how to play that instrument for months. (And yes he is actually playing in those scenes lol.)

Mairead

oh, and the bendy sword (known officially as a Soft Sword) is common in Wuxia stories. Basically it has different advantages than a rigid sword. in can also be worn wrapped around the wait (hidden).

Riri

Sometimes the translation on Netflix really pisses me off. Because they are not sworn allies but sworn brothers. So they have basically entered a brotherhood with each other (it's a code for marriage we been knew...lol). But also Xichen told him to call him Da-ge (eldest brother) and it translated it to clan leader nei. Going forward Jin Guangyao will call Nie Mingjue Da-ge and Xichen Er-ge (second brother) since he is the youngest. Xichen also calls mingjue Da-ge and Guangyao A-yao enderaingly like yanli using a-xian and a-cheng. Nei huaisang also uses the same salutations being mingjue's brother and also calls guangyao San-ge (third brother).

Hua

When we finish reacting, it would be fun seeing the behind the scenes. The actors are so funny together, they switch personalities haha

Rachel

Yeah, when you mentioned their age dynamic you’ll be shocked by their differing personalities.

Jade Kichenapanaidou

I've never thought about it but I think you're right about others not seeing Wuxian as their equal. Although yeah, I don't think that's the case for Lan Zhan as he values talent and honour over lineage, and this might be why Wuxian trust him so much. As for Jiang Cheng, his mom very much forced the idea of Wuxian being his subordinate into his mind since he was little and in consequence he never even though about it differently. We can see it with the promise he and Wx made "In the futur I will be the clan leader and you'll be my subordinate, just like our fathers". However for Yanli I think it's different, as I view her, she seems to be stuck in the past. As you said after she learnt her parents death, she first denied it, and the more I watch now, the more I think she can't bear changes. When she was talking to Wx after his return, she noticed he had changed after he drank the lotus soup. The truth is ( at least it's my personal opinion) she was waiting for him to react with a big smile just like when he was kid, but he did not and that's what made her realise. But just after, as she was leaving, Wx gave her a big (forced) smile and she said "You're back". I'm pretty sure in her mind Wx is still a little brother and she can't accept the fact that he is growing up, becoming more mature and less childish like he has always been with her.

Glenny Lennox

Whether you do one episode or two, just do whatever is best for you. This is supposed to be fun, this is supposed to be enjoyable. So whatever is the most enjoyable way for you to watch this wonderful show, that’s what you should do. Just want to encourage you to embrace that.

Mel~

I totally agree with you when you said the Lan clan have a weakness when it comes to standing up to things that seem very suspicious or they don’t agree with. They just sit and stay, they might shake their heads but that’s it. I hope they change that in the future.🤞🏻

Olivia

When Jin clan leader says “ambitious person” I believe he meant Wei wuxian, because he has connection with yin iron

nvmind

Idk why cdramas love to localize Chinese cultural terms with Ancient Greek references in the Engilsh subtitles lol (Stygian is derived from the River Styx of the underworld in Greek mythology). But in Chinese the amulet is called Yin Hu Fu, so the Yin Tiger Amulet or Yin Tiger Tally

Sakura

Chenqing is a bamboo flute (commonly known as a Dizi in China). In fact, the placement of Wei Ying’s mouth is correct. The only difference is that the sound is different from the one we hear with the soundtrack. An example: https://youtu.be/J857AOPsoWo?is=FGWDNekvBJKh-C_T Chenqing is not made of yin Iron but of bamboo that can be described as cursed since taken on Burial Mounds. As a powerful spiritual weapon, Chenqing possesses a form of 'quasi-sentience' (limited self-awareness) that allows it to resonate with the anger and hatred of the deceased, obeying only Wei Ying. So basically, from what I understood, everyone could use Chenqing but nothing supernatural would happen unless it's used by Wei Ying and his hold on the resentful energy.

Sakura

Same goes for Lan Zhan and his guqin Wangji (yes, same name 😂, it's because the Lan's clan names their instruments like themselves to create a sense of belonging/extension of their own soul). Highly accurate and dedicated. The guqin is played in a way that is significantly more delicate, subtle, and intimate compared to most other string instruments, including other Chinese instruments like the guzheng or western instruments like the guitar. It is designed for self-appreciation rather than loud performance, with a quiet, meditative sound that emphasizes nuance and emotional expression over volume. The actor's performance aimed to reflect the "cold but not haughty" demeanor described in the novel, which extended to his careful and calculated movements while handling the instrument. Like for Xiao Zhan (Wei Wuxian/Wei Ying) with the Dizi, Wang Yibo (Lan Wangji/Lan Zhan) undertook specific training to learn the proper posture, hand positioning, and finger techniques required to play the guqin for his role. He was also widely praised for his accuracy. Here and example: https://youtu.be/ntIYLLlVGMc?is=Y0h6aqTYpDLPkFJQ I'm just adding those details so your mind doesn't focus too much on their instruments and their way of using them 😂 I know how it is when we see a detail that distracts us everytime we see it

Leaf

Not Brat Tamer 3000 💀😭 you're not wrong though

Leaf

Lan Zhan went from 'I hate this guy' to 'I'm going to play music for his unconscious ass every day' and I respect the growth lmao

Leaf

I agree, using the energy of the dead is not inherently evil, like they're dead, using their resentful energy for good is better than letting it fester, it's not like it's going to hurt them.

Leaf

I don't think Jin Guangyao and his dad were planning to kill the civilians the whole time but if their order was like 'kill whoever is suspect of being a danger' the dickheads in the clans can interpret it very loosely and kill everyone because 'they might pose a threat to our safety'

Leaf

Wei Wuxian lip placement on the flute is correct, they're not supposed to touch the instrument, my only issue is that you can clearly see he's not actually blowing into it lmao

Leaf

When you asked if the 3 big bros were getting married I cackled because they became sworn brothers, basically swearing loyalty to each other, wink wink not marriage at all

Leaf

Wei Wuxian and Lan Zhan implicitly understand each other so well that they both agree to misunderstand each other when miscommunication happens lmao

Leaf

Wei Wuxian is that one dude that doesn't fall for the glamour of a narcissistic person loved by everyone. I'm pretty sure that's why most of the nobles hate him, he can see right through their bs

Leaf

Forget Yiling Patriarch, Wei Ying is now known as The Supreme Bullshiter

Jade Kichenapanaidou

Yes they practiced how to play the instruments, especially for the hand placement and everything but they did not really played it actually

Jun Hinotori

" WiFi" is an affectionate and popular nickname used by fans of the Chinese novel Mo Dao Zu Shi (and its adaptation The Untamed) to refer to the protagonist, Wei Wuxian. This nickname is because the pronunciation of "Wuxian" in Mandarin sounds very similar to "wireless" (wireless/Wi-Fi). Key points about this nickname: Word game: The author of the novel (MXTX) uses this nickname in her notes because "Wuxian" (无羡) sounds similar to "wireless" (无线 - wúxiàn).

Katie-Didn’t

He’s just never cared whether he was being complimented or insulted unless it was one of the people on his list of “people I care about and want to believe also care about me”. The world would be a better place if everyone did that. I LEARNED to do that because I honestly believed something was wrong with me (I was able to put things together and learn very easily very young and it freaked ppl out or made them think I was a genius or since I live in the Bible Belt part of the US I was occasionally accused of witchcraft, all before I was even old enough to go to school. Then it just got worse). BECAUSE I thought something was wrong with me and I honestly wanted people around me to be happy and I had no concept if being mean to or disliking people at first sight, couple sentences, or because just because other people did that I should to since I’d never seen it or felt those things happen, I kept trying to change based on the “criticism” not realizing they were ONLY trying to hurt me, not tell me what it ACTUALLY was they didn’t like. After I managed to get through Kindergarten through the skin of my teeth I started working on what my mom told me: “Do you care about their opinion enough to ask them for it and include their answer in your decision making process about anything that mattered more than “which flavor gum should I get”? Do you care about it enough that if they didn’t like what you were wearing would you get change your clothes? If not, why would you listen to ANY of their opinions, much less care since they’re volunteering it when you didn’t ask and you wouldn’t change your clothes for them, so why would you change your mind or yourself?”. So anytime I felt like I needed to adjust my behavior I stopped and asked myself those questions till I didn’t have to anymore because it was already habit to know who was on my list of people I’d ask for and care about the opinions of. So it’s definitely something that can be learned rather than having to be born with.

Jun Hinotori

Keep in mind that the music was added in post production, long after those scenes were filmed, so the actors had no idea they were playing, so their fingers probably didn't correspond to the notes.

Katie-Didn’t

MOST of the time. Occasionally they both silently agree they’re on the same page, and they are, but they’re reading different books… the first two episodes with Wuxian avoiding Lan Zhan convinced that he hated him? They’d both been on the same page of different books for a WHILE. If you pay attention to all the actual conversation between them since he’s gotten back from the Burial Mounds and NOT body language or looks which can all be read in many ways (which Wuxian knows so refuses to let himself be optimistic about), yes there’s subtext, but are you hearing what YOU want to hear or what it really is? They might be the same thing, might not. That’s where Wuxian is reading a different book, he’s paying attention to what’s being said and it’s all got 2 interpretations- one is pretty good, the other is extremely disapproving, skeptical, never actually saying he trusts or believes him, keeps wanting to TAKE him to Gusu (they take evil cultivators there to either try to rehab, imprison, or execute them. Not criminals that are handled by the clan unless their crimes span several clans, then it’s more like a trial with voting, Gusu is specifically for cultivators that have deviated from the “righteous” path and their cultivation has turned evil, possibly demonic, warping their their thoughts and feelings towards, and magnifying, their worst desires and personalities traits. So Lan Zhan asking/telling Wuxian to go to Gusu just makes Wuxian feel like Lan Zhan thinks the same things everyone else does, the only difference is that he wants to save him. That was part of why he let Lan Zhan go for his throat with the sword without budging: if he wanted Wuxian executed he’d have died right there so he knew that at least he had THAT much to work with since he’d honestly wondered if he would since “THE RULES” said he should be killed just based on the little he’d seen, and explanations or circumstances don’t matter to the rules.

Katie-Didn’t

I doubt anyone on set actually wanted to hear that lol 😂 I THINK he DOES play violin but that’s not really any overlapping help.

Katie-Didn’t

I play violin and honestly I saw it and was like “AWESOME! It’s like the GIANT neck of a violin that you pluck! Except with the size it’s laid flat so you can play chords EASILY, (they’re a bitch on the violin and I have an inherited genetic mutation disorder I wasn’t aware of till I was older that makes me WAY more flexible than average so I don’t know how people without my advantage do it- flexibility as in most people who don’t know they have it advance quickly and have careers in ballet, acrobatics, high paying circus performers like Cirque du Soleil folding themselves into an envelope 😂. Unfortunately it’s not healthy because we didn’t stretch to work for it so we eventually stretch some things out permanently and, for instance have a shoulder with the bone just hanging a couple inches away from the socket and need surgery to pull it back together with permanent anchors to keep it in place, at the same time we build up scar tissue slowly from all the micro-tears we don’t feel till we get arthritis, lose all cushioning between the joints with super thick tendons, and bone spurs from the bones rubbing each other and abrupt career retirement). Plus the strings are a bit more loose so you can pull on them a bit to warp the notes like a “wah” pedal on a guitar”. It seemed like it would by a fairly simple crossover with practice.

Katie-Didn’t

Unless they were somehow ABE to get it to accept them the way Zidian accepted Jiang Cheng when his mother passed it on. The BIGGEST difference between Zidian had been in the family a long time so it was pretty chill; Chengqing or Qingcheng (spelling?) had JUST been attuned to a person for the first time… it was NOT going to want to accept anyone else without them putting in a LOT of work and dealing with the tantrums 😊😈

Katie-Didn’t

I think that’s likely for international audiences so most people would understand it’s “underworld” without having to look it up. Especially since the Greek river Styx is fairly universal for MOST religions and, as the first place you go when you die, the underworld, it’s a stopping point, not a final destination, that’s neither good nor evil: it’s just a place where all the dead have to go before moving on to cleanse themselves of the past before they CAN get to their final destination.

Katie-Didn’t

It’s their rules. They aren’t supposed to speculate about people, be hasty, jump to conclusions etc. or form judgments without evidence. Plus the Uncle basically hates Wuxian and has a blind spot where he’s breaking the rules and doing those exact things but holding himself back constantly for a SHRED of evidence without waiting for any contradictory evidence, or dare I say, proof. There were rumors about Wuxian’s mom turning to demonic cultivation, no proof or details or anything, but he’d fallen for her, was Lan Clan royalty , would be leading the clan, and she ran off and got married to a nobody second in command from Jiang clan??? In his head he’d very much rather believe something was VERY wrong with her than he was rejected for someone so “lowly” by someone totally fine that was HER. HE was the highly regarded cultivator that was next in line to lead the clan that she rejected the rumors speak about. He’s NOT in a hurry to speak up for her son.

Katie-Didn’t

I love how spot on the concentration camps reference is. You’ll see how accurate you’re being when it gets there

Sakura

Yeah I feel you 😕 I have hypermobility 😩 it's really not healthy and when you discover you have it, it's like "Oh! That's why!" 🤣 I have what you have with my hips and yes, arthritis as well. The fact is also more confortable for us to be in a weird position than normal people and it's really not easy to correct our posture after so many years 😅

Katie-Didn’t

16:55 It’s a POV issue. Nie Minjue (spelling?) IS totally valid. He was tortured, insulted, made to watch his men killed in ways that weren’t even honorable deaths in war, and was completely helpless to do anything about it and for a man that’s ALWAYS in control, and HAS to be for his cultivation method, that was one of the worst things he’s been through. On the other hand, going undercover in horrific places requires you to do at LEAST the minimum of horrific things to GET anywhere, keep your job, and not die. You’ll have to do more than that LEAST of the horrific things that go on if you’re going to try to be elevated to a position where you’ll hear useful things that are actually accurate rather than 3rd hand rumors. That requires either working where you can hear the order BEING given first hand, or at LEAST the orders relayed since those SHOULD be word for word. Depends on the situation (type of person you’re spying on, what information you’re after since something like layout mapping you’re better off mopping floors for a WHILE since you’re under the radar, actually getting layout while working, and plenty of time to run around getting what you need everywhere you have access and finding ways PAST that). Quick note about Wuxian’s name- the translation is an understatement. If you don’t have jealousy or envy, you can’t truly understand it either, or think it’s a possibility that anyone would feel it about you. It’s about accepting everyone for exactly who they are and you like them or you don’t. The sun and moon aren’t jealous of each other or wish they could be anything but themselves, they both have their own beauty and annoyances, but they just exist, being the sun and the moon because what else could they be? Wuxian exists as himself, while he IS terrified he’s not enough, he’s still who he is and doesn’t try to be anyone else, just a better version of himself or to shine brighter as it were. Objectively, as the spy he could have relayed through Lan Xichen that the men accompanying Nie Minjue should all be volunteers in the worst-case scenario of torture, death, watching their leader be humiliated etc. as he only needed the leader’s genuine reaction to sell it, but he didn’t. If you’re a LOYAL spy that’s just shitty and makes Nie Mingjue’s reaction even MORE valid. If you’re planning to back the winner it’s the perfect move along with several other things he has and hasn’t relayed to Lan Xichen: like how many pieces of Yin Iron the Wen clan actually has, the new puppets that were made, troop stations (not like he does have access to room where the ONLY person giving the orders for where everyone should be and when is). I AM aware of the ENIGMA issue- too much obvious avoidance of troops waiting to ambush and the Wen clan knows there’s a spy and starts using code or giving orders with anyone present other than the person in charge of taking each group etc. so sacrifices have to be made to maintain cover… but the massacre of puppets going down, getting back up, exploding, then turning into nasty Uruk-hai looking things with rock/metal skin the swords bounce off of? Could have sent a message saying “don’t send large force in this route- highly deadly from puppet 2.0” or something if truly a loyal spy. If he actually believed there wasn’t time it’s still worth trying since they’d know he had when the message arrived later… NOT warning about these things or even the experiments along with the other things mentioned AND the help he provided the Wen Clan implies he’d back the winner since there’s no actual fault with anything he’s done.

nancy metz

I disagree. I think their mentality is more like every Wen deserves death, even while giving lip service to being congenial.

Katie-Didn’t

24:09 - 24:44 What she’s NOT saying- Yanli: Hello Lan Zhan. PLEASE DO come in. I’ve already prepared the bridal chamber and my brother is waiting in his gown just like the good boy he is. I know this is sudden and a surprise, I haven’t said anything to him either, but obviously you have my blessing. Since this is your “everyday medical visit” and no one notices what I’m doing every day anyway I’m going to go make soup now.

Katie-Didn’t

27:00 at the time it was filmed Yibo (Wangji, who’s actually a Leo and REALLY acts like it and eventually getting SUPER jealous pouty looks in interviews when people were praising his character instead of him) was 20 years old and Xiao Zhan (Wei Ying, and this was his breakout acting role, and it made his acting career. He knew that if it made it past censorship that it would be and he actually has a rather shy, SUPER respectful personality being raised by old school Chinese parents. Since he hadn’t had any acting classes (though he’d been in TV shows and such before they were small potatoes) and had SO MANY lines because Wei Ying just doesn’t shut up on screen, he discussed it with the director to get permission and then with Yibo, again for permission as it would require them to be very friendly very quickly, and acted the role in what was basically method acting- he read the script, watched the animation and everything he was sent before filming, worked through the novels while filming while took a while with ALL the lines (the BTS footage always has him carrying what looks like a giant book of printer paper with highlighter just COVERING every page, but it’s his script for the DAY with HIS lines highlighted) he felt the easiest thing was to BE the person that would say those things and went full immersion into being Wei Ying and tried to get used to it and stay in that place the whole time to get the character nuances, personality, body language etc. and he said it DID help a LOT with the lines to the point he was just improvising through a lot of takes with long dialogues and was only off-script by a sentence or a couple words) at the time of filming was 26. They both kept arguing about the correct forms of address for seniority as Yibo had more experience acting so was Zhan’s “senior” in that way, but was much younger so also his junior. They settled on big brother and little brother “ GeGe” and “DiDi” 😂

Katie-Didn’t

29:17 Yes to all of those. The “kill them all” is literal. Plus the concentration camps that, noticeably, hasn’t been spoken about in those “important” meetings. In the present timeline it says they were exterminated. That’s a word used for insects.

Katie-Didn’t

33:54 he’s been acknowledged as part of the clan. Not necessarily acknowledged as the clan leader’s son because that WOULD put his son’s status in jeopardy. Just adopted into the clan unless otherwise stated, the same way Wei Ying was brought into the Jiang Clan as a disciple, becoming head disciple but never adopted INTO the clan and taking the name (honestly the Jiang clan leader never did it out of respect for Wuxian’s father since taking away Wuxian’s father’s name and replacing it with his own felt incredibly disrespectful towards his deceased friend and an extremely unfair decision for Wei Ying). Part of the reason this isn’t being stopped with the Jin clan is because he’s a piece a crap he only sent enough people to fight to officially be involved while all the other clans went all out. Everyone is suffering from a severe shortage of people so if they pushed back and it started another war, the Jin clan leader isn’t obviously Evil like the Wen clan was. People would be divided and the opposing clans would definitely lose. Jiang Cheng is actually in the perfect position to push back but doesn’t have the political awareness, confidence, or ability to use his words well enough to do so. The Lan Clan lost most of their people before the war started but they saved a LOT of clans and united them, unfortunately it would never occur to them to bring that up and they’re a teaching clan with no desire to lead even though they could and would definitely back Jiang Cheng if he pushed back, same for Nie Mingjue except he’s so concerned about his suspicions about Ming Yao he’s not looking at the big picture at the moment.

Katie-Didn’t

42:57 the bigger question, remember what the lady in the cave said about how the Yin Iron is indestructible and that’s why it was broken into pieces and hidden for safekeeping? But they just casually said they destroyed 3 pieces of Yin iron… so… what did they REALLY do with it? And who is “they”? Plus Wuxian already said the day they found him that the “mind calming” or emptying or something techniques he’d learned in cloud recesses had made his new abilities possible or stable or something (I don’t remember the exact wording right now). But the gist was as long as he stayed calm he could keep everything under control, and what I took from it in the following episodes, especially since he didn’t even put up a show of carrying his sword and tended to play the flute with his eyes closed, was that even being around violence wasn’t good for him but as long as it was positive feelings and he didn’t let his control slip it was fine. The sword is a spiritual weapon and had only been used violently and carrying it would have had those echoes of being used in violent situations. Getting upset about the REALLY horrible things happening that any decent person should legit be upset about is a struggle, but the resentment WANTS a reason to act out, and it seems like his feelings can provide it with one.

Katie-Didn’t

45:42 that’s an actual ceremony for having a sworn brother. You really ARE swearing to the heavens and earth with incense and all.

Katie-Didn’t

53:00 dude made a straight stab THROUGH armor, from behind, with a flexible saber, first try without it wobble wobble bending??? With no training? He’s supposed to be the weakest of the weak cultivator, defenseless, couldn’t possibly learn martial arts and spell? So… either the luckiest stab EVER from adrenaline fueled CRAZY strength against an already super strong cultivator fueled with 3 pieces of yin iron… or he’s just lying. Dimples hide people’s secrets. Don’t trust people with dimples that smile THAT much to bury their secrets in them man

nancy metz

Don't let the fact that Wuxian and Wangji aren't actually playing the instruments distract you. It's still a good thing. One thing that hit me hard was Wuxian's comment to Wangji: If you don't believe in me, how can you help me.

Katie-Didn’t

1:12:30 I don’t know whether his status has anything to do with it or not, but how many people do you know that are totally cool with having a mirror held up to their minds and hearts with the person holding it telling everyone what’s there and even though you’re powerful, rich, with high status, the person holding the mirror is just plain too OP and scary for them to do anything other than sit there and let it happen? Almost no one wants their dark side exposed, especially publicly, but it’s worse for people the higher their status and worldly power as they believe themselves to be more and more untouchable. Add Chinese respect and behavior etiquette and toss idgaf Wuxian in there holding the mirror and I’m not sure if it would matter if he was the son of the emperor- they’d probably still do exactly like you said: demonize him to get what he has because even though he’s right and just, he’s not making friends because they’re corrupt.

Katie-Didn’t

Technically I have EDS types 1 & 3 blend (at least as of 2011). They’ve discovered a LOT more subtypes so I don’t know if the numbers are still the same. I was lucky in a way and unlucky in others when I found out. I have a biotech degree and was working at UNC university in pancreatic cancer research so it wasn’t difficult for me to understand the language used and the geneticist straight up told me I’d have to do my own research, read up on anything relevant for new symptoms/problems BEFORE appointments and go to them armed with the printouts. He said since I had the degree and job I had I already knew how to check my sources and make sure I was ready accurate, peer reviewed studies instead of the equivalent of “baking soda with lime juice will cure your cancer” (😡reading that crap was infuriating on many levels with what I did for a living). But not to bring TOO much because it’s overwhelming to doctors as they’re ridiculously busy so seeing it will just make sure they don’t read ANY of it which is fine if they actually listen and believe you without needing the printed backup. But they all generally did, if they still ignored it and prescribed treatment that I’d already said had no effect or was even listed as making the condition worse, I’d just make an appointment with another doctor in the same office 😈. I go to UNC so everyone can see my chart from every visit AND doctors jobs and raises depend on their metrics from patients mwa ha ha. I slowly built a team of specialists with my PCP (who’s younger brother has EDS) that stopped needing proof of everything I told them after a couple visits and only asked for papers if they needed more information about something to check out what was going on with me and I’d just email the link right then. I DO have the super soft velvety stretchy skin, it’s just not SUPER stretchy, only passed the “abnormal” mark by a bit. I get hyPOtrophic scarring though so they don’t look bad. And MY “skin fragility” is less my skin splitting, even though it’s VERY thin and see through, it’s more about how easily the layers come off. For instance if I have an itch on my calf, even if I’m wearing winter leggings lined with fleece and I scratch too hard, I’ll feel the burn in a minute, roll up the pants leg, and it’s just red red scratches with randomly placed dots of blood where too much skin came off. Even trying to clean the bathtub I need to be super careful because the padded mat on the floor to absorb any water I’m kneeling on will take off my skin like road rash, so clothes shopping is a DELIGHT! Seams are the stuff of nightmares. And bruises are just a fact of life and always present- sleeping on my side my knees and ankles bruise each other if I don’t put a pillow between them 🫣😒. My brother has skin that stretches like it’s never gonna stop tho. I also have the blue sclera, almond shaped slanted eyes, but instead of droopy lids I have almost no eyelid, like Asian eyes and I’ve been asked if I’m Asian. I’m like… maybe? Jewish and Polish got a lot going on and who knows everywhere the Blackfoot tribe has been 😂. I also got almost all the dental stuff like the super tiny mouth with the very narrow high arched palate and crowding cuz tiny mouth and no place to go. Plus TINY ears placed a bit slanted so they appear even more pointed than they actually are. Add the heart shaped face and high cheekbones that are decently prominent and I have the hallmark “fairy-like appearance”. I also get to look 20 while I’m 40 like my mother and her mother before her. Oddly we all looked around 16-17 when we were 10-11 and only got to look our actual ages for about 4-5 years 😂. Even though it sucks, has no treatment, will only continue getting worse, and I’ve been 100% disabled since I was 28 years old, it’s also one of the VERY few non-fatal rare diseases, and out of those even more rare non-fatal genetic disorders so THAT alone is SUPER lucky. On top of that it comes with awesome soft skin and looking like an immortal fairy while being absurd enough to laugh at so it’s not too depressing? Jackpot! 😊

nancy metz

You made some excellent points!

nancy metz

Xiao Zhan was born in 1991 (same year as my oldest daughter 😂) and Wang Yibo in 1997.

nancy metz

I would call you a genius yourself! Your analysis and theories are so good! I think someone would have to have a lot of deep knowledge and understanding of a great many things to be able to do what you do and be so accurate the majority (99%) of the time. Looking forward to more!

nancy metz

When Wuxian says he's been dead once, is he referring to the Burial Grounds?

Deenita Morton

This is only speculation, but I think the reason Wuxian is having trouble (apart from the obvious moral dilemma) is because he senses of all the resentment, terror and anger that is in the area and is increasing because of the killing of the remaining Wen members.

nancy metz

I am loving seeing Wei Wuxian's growth process (progress?)

Katie-Didn’t

He says “we have been dead once” so it depends on who’s speaking. Notice the pause before reply? In the Novels he came back from the burial mounds accompanied by two almost guardian spirits, the lady that tortured Wen Chao and one other. They weren’t interested in right, wrong, good, or evil, only justice. He’d formed agreements with them that they couldn’t act outside the bounds of his permission for their freedom and protection essentially. Could have been a line that didn’t quite work in the live version because censorship didn’t like them having “ghosts”. But you’ll NEVER find out exactly what happened in the burial mounds outside of fanfic. The author said they were going to write it separately and decided Wei Ying had been through enough and the audience didn’t need to feel like crying through an entire novel. And the translation is wrong for the next line too, it wasn’t supposed to be “we came from hell” it was “underworld” or “nether realm. In the live version there’s a very different reason he survived the fall than in the novels anyway and you could actually see it happening. He wouldn’t have survived falling at ALL in the live version (it’s a different reason in the novels) if it hadn’t been for the sword from inside the slaughter tortoise in his “Universe Bag” getting splashed with his blood flying into it from his beaten right before being tossed into the Buried Mounds where you see him starting to slow down as he gets closer, then hit the black energy and start floating like 2 VERY strong magnets repelling each other while his bag glows brighter and brighter, then its almost like the energy from the bag flows through him while he gets yanked down by the ankle by the resentful energy. When he lands the bag is gone but the sword is the only light there so it’s suppression ALL the resentful energy in that area. In the story the lady in the cold cave told Wangji and Wuxian, Yin Iron was a naturally grown, but rare spiritual element that absorbed evil, and had been collected and formed into something that could get rid of the super strong resentment that they normally couldn’t, but the first guy had refined and twisted it to the opposite polarity so that it emitted evil and repelled good. Anyone who’d tried to fix it couldn’t handle releasing even a fraction of the resentment before it killed them, and while Yin iron can be moulded into various forms or sealed, it can’t be destroyed and if the seal is broken it can’t be sealed again. Since it was broken into 4 pieces, the piece the Wen clan had would DEFINITELY have pointed to Wuxian if he’d had the 4th since he was IN their territory for quite a while, not far away where it couldn’t respond. The story also said the first guy using the intact Yin Iron could control the tortoise of slaughter but it obviously wasn’t a puppet of any kind so where would that kind of control come from? Maybe the sword that also counters the Yin Iron/can control its creations? However there’s almost no food or water to be found, and the reason they kept asking him if he wanted vengeance and such when he fell in was because (I found out from scouring author interviews) he had to say yes for the spirits to possess him. Nothing else, so my WORKING theory is that they wouldn’t physically hurt him once they realized he’d been a victim of both war, and the Wens just like almost all of them. That wouldn’t have prevented the physical monsters from coming after him like the spirits resentful enough to take back their own bodies if there were any around still fresh enough. It also wouldn’t mean they felt more sorrow for Wei Ying than resentment for their killers, or people who set them up to die, or the larger cultivation clans in general for letting this crap happen all over again when they’d all died over the exact same issues, so psychological and emotional torture to get Wei Ying to agree isn’t necessarily off the table even if the bulk of them don’t actually want to be responsible for hurting someone the same way for the same reasons they were (plus he’s no good to them dead and more likely to be on their side because they have a similar plight). Most of the stronger gosts can look like anyone they want so once they’d been able to get in his head and see his memories, that type of torture would have been easy- let him rest a bit and when he wakes up he sees Yanli holding out her hand saying something like “we found you and they’re standing guard just over there. Can you walk or do you need a’Cheng to carry you? We could barely keep Wangji from coming in to search but I wasn’t sure how close you were and if you WERE very close I knew you wouldn’t want him to risk himself and I know you’re probably mad at me too. Before you say anything, I couldn’t wait and do nothing AGAIN after everyone else has been searching for you for so long after you sent me away in a drugged sleep promising me we’d never be apart. So when we found out Wen Chao had put you here I HAD to at least try to search. Now, are you going to keep your promise and come back? Everyone will head out as soon as I tell them you’re okay to go”. THAT’S the sort of thing that he’d have to guard against from my understanding of how the rules worked in the novels, he had to always say no to the offers (though you won’t find out details). So sleep deprivation, constant questioning and needling while knowing exactly what his deepest fears, secrets, and desires are, tricks, trying to make deals etc. What he said when he first came back about finding a cave was real, it was his shelter and I would think that eventually he gathered enough materials to make some talismans to keep out any evil spirits even though he still had to forage, and more often without a golden core and his spiritual power to sustain him. So all we KNOW about his time in the Burial Mounds is that surviving the fall was a fluke to begin with, if he wasn’t the person he is or was basically ANYONE else he would have caved and said “yes” then either died from the ghosts trying to make him Legion or Wei Ying would have been extinguished while his body walked out, he refined whatever parts of the sword that were repelling the resentful energy into the Yin Tiger Tally which is what is holding/containing the energy rather than his body and Refined the Flute to control or “speak to” the spirits, found a cave for shelter (at least) to do these things and scavenged for edible food and water, and he had the kind of experience no one ever talks about while being struck there till he was finished.

Astra

The subtitles for this episode are really terrible in some places. A big problem with the subtitles in general is that they don't properly translate the way people address each other, which says a lot about their relationship to each other. (Wei WuXian calls Jiang YanLi ShiJie, meaning older martial sister, Jiang YanLi calls him A-Xian, which is much more informal than calling him WuXian and a way to show closeness, things like that) The ceremony between Lan XiChen, Nie MingJue and Jin GuangYao is a ceremony where they swear brotherhood to each other. When Jin GuangYao later addresses Nie MingJue by his title (Chifeng-Zun) Lan XiChen doesn't say that Jin GuangYao should call him Clan Leader Nie, He tells him that he should refer to him as Eldest Brother (Da-ge) because they are sworn brothers now. Also, Jin GuangYao's name is also very relevant to show his position in the Jin Clan. The Jin follow a very specific naming structure, where each generation has a specific prefix for their name. The generation of Jin GuangShan's children (and nephews etc) all have names starting with Zi (ZiXuan, ZiXun etc). By giving Jin GuangYao a name with the prefix from his own generation (Guang) Jin GuangShan makes it clear that he does not consider Jin GuangYao as part of the line of succession, and doesn't fully accept him as his actual son on the same level as Jin Zixuan. The reason all the other clan leaders defer to Jin GuangShan is because of age and mostly also experience. Of the great clans, Jin GuangShan is the only clan leader left of the previous generation, all the other clan leaders (of the great clans anyway) are still very young, with Nie MingJue being the oldest of them. It's less clear in the show compared to the novel (the show timeline really is messed up in so many ways), but none of them are supposed to be out of their 20s yet, and other than Nie MingJue, none of them were clan leaders before the war started (In the show, the father of Lan XiChen and Lan WangJi was already dead before the war, in the books he died when the Wen attacked the Cloud Recesses). The show changes a bunch of things in the timeline, but doesn't change the impact those things are supposed to have, making things much more confusing than they need to be.

Katie-Didn’t

I didn’t think about the dates, it makes me feel so old!!! I was born in the afternoon the same day The Challenger exploded. Technically labor had already been induced because my mom was high risk already and almost 34, then the nurse decided it would be a great idea to tell the woman with the crazy making hormones trying to get a baby just past premie age that The Challenger with the teacher on it exploded, with her family, her class, every single student in every classroom in the USA and many internationally watching live along with my siblings. It was NOT a great idea. Mom couldn’t stop sobbing, kicked labor into high gear and they found out quickly that the umbilical cord was WAY too long and everywhere because every contraction slammed down on it like folding a hose and I was suffocating and losing all nutrients, oxygen, everything that kept me alive with every contraction. So as they got longer, I suffocated longer and they did an emergency C-section but so many people were so upset about the explosion the OB-GYN had to send out 3 nurses from the OR for crying and/or spacing out. My heartbeat stopped completely 3 times, once for long enough they kinda started massaging/doing made-up CPR with fingertips in the general vicinity before they were able to start actually getting me out, so I likely died at least once if not more before I was pulled out of my mom’s womb rather than being born. I only make the destination because if anything comes up where “no one born of a woman” can do whatever or break a curse or something, I’m ON that 😂😊. There’s a couple loopholes like that- it’s usually “no man born of woman” so you can just get a woman to do it, find someone named “Noman”, or anyone “born” like me.

Katie-Didn’t

The part where Xichen corrects Ming Yao’s form of address to “Da-Ge” and it says “clan leader Nie” drove me nuts! That’s a form of “older brother” not related by blood I believe. I’d assume sworn brother. And yes, the timeline issues are serious. “Demon twink” isn’t supposed to ever have met Wei Ying till the present timeline because he’s supposed to be the creepy “Stan” super fan of everything he thinks “The Yiling Patriarch” was. Hence the similarities that are still really off in creepy ways.

Katie-Didn’t

Yaaahs! Of course he’s going to be sensitive to any negative energy and certainly resentful energy hanging around. The war would obviously cause a lot which he was clearing up as he fought though he couldn’t do anything about areas he wasn’t fighting in. But running down regular people for slaughter? Or even cultivators that are elderly, so weak they would have been useless fighters, women, and children? That’s not only an emotional problem for him but that’s not just people dying in battle where they might resent it but knew it might happen, that’s full on makings for vengeful spirits for being hunted like animals for no reason.

Katie-Didn’t

*** DO NOT READ IF YOU DONT WANT SPOILERS*** I hated the Yiling Patriarch name anyway. It COULD have been a respectful name if it had been given by the people he was actually BEING a patriarch towards. Instead he makes a trip to town and doesn’t even know who they’re talking about and doesn’t find out it’s him till he puts together various exaggerated references to past events and realizes it’s just another story spread about him.

Katie-Didn’t

Ohhh they already had a plan before the clan leader showed up. Remember everything Wen Zhulio did JUST to get adopted into the Wen clan and have the coveted “Wen” name? Ming Yao couldn’t even get into the Jin clan with an eidetic memory, absolutely perfect manners, servant skills, and being the leader’s son… he had to have things to offer no one else could like Wen Zhulio’s core crushing ability being unique. So the indestructible Yin iron had been “destroyed” and every single person belonging to Wen clan, many being forcibly taken over right before the war, are being hunted down and though some are killed some are being “imprisoned” somewhere no one has seen and the criteria for which doesn’t seem to be apparent, and Ming Yao was the one who told the Wen clan leader how to make the puppet 2.0 exploding orc versions (he thanked him for the new, more powerful, easier to control arrangement of the 3 pieces and what they’d allowed him to do). And suddenly when the Wen Clan is defeated the Jin clan leader finally shows up and Ming Yao becomes a Jin taking his orders directly from the leader??? I don’t see how they could possibly be winging it. Just saying.

Katie-Didn’t

Exactly. Death is a natural part of life. Any unnatural death energy needs to be dealt with and suppressing or ignoring ANYTHING is never a long-term solution. If we’re going to go with cyclical life and Yin-Yang then what Wuxian is doing should have been done all along, they just should have spent more time figuring out how to do it properly instead of cultivating to live longer/become immortal as that’s a selfish gain and cultivation is SUPPOSED to be for protecting people. Not for what YOU get out of it.

Katie-Didn’t

Wait till he hits Brat Tamer 10k+ 😂. He gets SO good at it, it shows it better in the animation even in the first couple episodes 😂🤣😂 Wuxian in Mo Xuanu’s body while Lan Zhan and Jiang Cheng are arguing about whether Jiang Cheng can take him away for questioning after he hit him with Zidian- “I don’t run after EVERYTHING I like… Hanguang Jun is EXACTLY my type. I’d follow him anywhere” then thinking to himself “Now Lan zhan will be completely disgusted with me and leave me alone for sure! And Jiang Cheng would never believe I’d act like this hehehe” Lan Zhan- “Remember your words and you said it yourself” and tosses him over his shoulder taking him back to cloud recesses Wuxian- *shock, blush, shock, faint*

Katie-Didn’t

Even though the Wen leader became evil, they WERE the only clan that put ability and talent before anything else other than their immediate family. Like, power wouldn’t change who the heir was, but it didn’t matter if no one knew who your parents were and you’d joined from the streets, if you could beat everyone else sparring you’d be standing right next to the clan leader. That’s why they were so strong to begin with. It’s one of those “rarely is anyone or anything all good or all evil” examples.

Nina Wu

Suibian Subs did a great job subtitling the show, I can’t watch The Untamed with the Netflix subs

nancy metz

But Chenging (spelling) attacked YanLi when she touched it with her bare skin. So I question whether just anyone could play it.

Sakura

This happens because Chenqing is a spiritual weapon that Wei Wuxian has just recently created and bonded with (like zidian which doesn't react well with other cultivators unless it permits it (Jiang Leader on the boat)). And Yanli is a weak cultivator, she can't handle the raw power of Chenqing. Not to mention the fact that Wei Ying, is in an injured state, traumatized, flinching away from almost everyone and he subconsciously uses Chenqing as a defensive shield between himself and his past life, including the gentle, loving persona of his sister, to protect her from his darkness and to protect his own secrets (specifically, the loss of his golden core). So Chenqing most probably reacted to Wei Ying state of mind and on its own accord as well at that moment with Yanli. It tried to protect Wei Ying and itself from the threat Yanli represented. There is also some sort of symbolism. It serves as a visual reminder that Wei Ying is no longer the same person, and his new life is too dangerous for his previous family members to touch. Don't read what's next if you didn't read the novel, but we know that later on A-Yuan use Chenqing as a chew toy with lot of drool 😂 so we know that it's possible, not to mention that Jiang Cheng kept Chenqing during so many years.

Milana Smile

oh i am so so excited for this political storyline! it‘s so incredible how perceptive you are, that is so important for this series!

mase

so actually (you may already know this by now so i apologize if i'm preaching to the choir, but) if i'm remembering correctly, both xiao zhan and yibo got training on how to play their instruments properly, and were either playing them for real in the scenes (just weren't playing it exactly the way we were hearing it, likely a much more simplified version) or fake playing but both xiao zhan's lip placements and yibo's hand placements/movements are still correct :)