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The Untamed Ep. 25 | Uncut Reaction (Patreon)

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nancy metz

Missed you! I didn't see/hear that you were doing a break, so very glad you're okay!

Katie-Didn’t

49:43 Yes. He’s just angry. He’s angry at everyone except himself because he refuses to fault himself for anything. Ever. Or consider that he may have fallen into a scheme or be manipulated. You’re seeing the beginning of the Overlord of Butthurt that whips everyone that looks at him wrong with Zidian from the 2nd episode.

Nina Wu

I really liked your analysis of how Wei Wuxian and Jin Guangyao (and even Xue Yang) mirror each other, I see it that way too! The difference lies in how these characters deal with the hatred and mistreatment they receive, not to be cringe, but “the oppressed often dream of becoming the oppressor” fits most of them, but Wei Wuxian is better than that. Even without his golden core the power he has now would be enough to wipe out all the clans, he cold be even worse than what Wen Ruohan, but he will always choose to do what’s right, even if it goes against the status quo those clans maintain and even if turns him into an outcast

Katie-Didn’t

This isn’t a spoiler because the show never tells you, but the hunt was a setup- the whole “Wuxian caught 30% of the prey” thing was just them waiting for him to play his flute and spring the trap so the prey walked into his clans nets. If you noticed, he was just playing a tune, no energy channeled into it at ALL, he wasn’t controlling anything. Since he can’t prove it, once he was being accused so quickly by the entire group, especially after being told to bring his amulet, he realized what was happening and it was pointless to deny anything. No one knows what he can do, much less how he does it so he can’t prove what he is or isn’t responsible for. However, he didn’t hunt a single thing on that trip. Just relaxed till he saw Wangji, then the arguments.

Dan

Two things, the absolute gall of that clan leader in the green who wouldn’t even be alive if it weren’t for the Jiang clan helping him if I’m remembering correctly that he’s the same dude, and all that I could think for so much of this episode was ‘skill issue’

Nina Wu

ALSO, the Netflix translation is really bad, the moment when Wangji asks Wuxian what he is to him, Wuxian uses the term zhiji (知己). Netflix translated it as “lifelong confidant” and sometimes even just “friend” (🥴), but the best translation for that word in English is “soulmate.” So the scene is actually incredibly romantic, we got this in the show because in the original novel that’s the moment when Wangji steals Wuxian’s first kiss (while he still hasn’t removed the blindfold)

KitKat

The last scene is one of my favorites just cause imo it’s one of the most evident examples (like vocally said) of Lan Zhan’s love for Wei Ying. Don’t get me wrong I like the good 20 second yearning gaze as much as the next person but that’s basically Lan Zhan’s character the whole show so I like when it’s vocally expressed. Also I have fun imagining Lan Zhan having to house-train a feral and bratty Wei Ying as a house husband.

Katie-Didn’t

1:03:00 the problem with Jiang Cheng caring too much about what other clan leaders think about Wuxian is that BECAUSE of Wuxian he doesn’t have to care at all. He’s basically got Cerberus backing him up and can remind everyone of that whenever he wants instead of worrying what they say about it being a hell hound vs a guardian beast created by a god. But he has jealousy and “who gets credit for achievement” problems instead of seeing that if he’s the clan leader, everyone’s achievements are his, and all of his are the clan’s.

nancy metz

I love your reactions. It was a bit surprising to me that you didn't go a bit more into Wuxian and Wangji literally saying they are life long confidents (soulmates) and that Wangji wanted to take him back to Cloud Recesses and hide him. I thought both of those scenes were telling.

Rachel

I remember that in the book he's purposely doing it, and he is also purposely doing it in the show...

Rachel

His anger comes from fear bc he's too young and not ready to be a clan leader. He thinks the only way to lead is to try and control everything. Jiang Chang is such a tragic character and unfortuantely all too common in the world.

Katie-Didn’t

Yeah, they just don’t get around to mentioning or explaining it in the show at any point in any way that actually explains anything.

Katie-Didn’t

Nah, LZ likes being the house husband and spoiling Wei Ying so he can see his ACTUAL happy face. He even cooks the good food instead of the bland Lan Clan crap every day 🤣

Jessica

I’m glad you’re back!!!! I have the same feelings about the wife of the Jin leader!

Katie-Didn’t

I just have trouble relating because I was never that young. Or never the kind of person to respond to ANYTHING by taking it out on anyone. I’ve literally always warned everyone when I was having a bad day in case I said something rude or that sounded mean. When I was 3-4 I heard my parents arguing loudly about how to pay the bills and found every scrap of money (basically couch cushion change) and gave it to them so they’d stop hurting each other. I did NOT go yell at my older sister who had a full-time job to help out, or my middle brother who had a part-time job and it never occurred to me that they probably should have been contributing. Even at THAT age if someone said something mean to me I asked them why they said it, if they were intentionally trying to hurt my feelings or if it just came out wrong or what, because I didn’t see why I should get upset if it was a misunderstanding and if it wasn’t then I genuinely wanted to know WHY they were trying to be mean since it’s a bit dumb if we aren’t close, if we are then the reason matters and I might either need to make some personal changes or not be friends anymore. However, being angry doesn’t get you anywhere or solve anything, it just hurts people. Being sad about a relationship that can’t be fixed is normal, but that’s what you do after you make sure it can’t be fixed without letting it get in the way. Being upset or frustrated can be a motivating force, anger is nothing but destructive though. That’s something you hold onto till you’re alone to let out if that’s what you have to do. It’s basically the opposite of one-sided obsessive love: it’s only going to hurt people and will NEVER help anyone, including yourself. You can’t even work through your own problems in the best way you’re capable of because it clouds everything.

Cato

I can’t believe you’re calling Jiang Chang Overlord Butthurt. He’s still a teenager at this point who has lost his parents and is responsable for a whole clan. Ofcourse he loves his brother very much but he doesn’t have the freedom like Wei Wuxian to do whatever he wants. Plus everybody reacts different in certain situations. We all love Wei Wuxian because he is the brave hero but he’s not a realistic character.

Katie-Didn’t

I said “the BEGINNING of the overlord of butthurt” because that’s my nickname for him after the flashbacks are over. Not the already IS. He’s just too easily pre-disposed to it and regretting it later on the inside. But as we saw in episode 2, there’s no regret, just a lot of hateful violence against strangers who he hauls back to his clan and tortures to death for using talismans or anything else Wuxian did. It does not incur my sympathy when he’s killed that many people for no reason other than being angry at Wuxian. As for whether Wei Ying is realistic or not, I mean there’s the whole fantasy aspect of his character that’s huge, but who he is as a person I find very believable but rare. It’s likely more or less realistic depending on your life circumstances, the people you’ve met, what you can relate to etc. Just like I said above why I can’t relate to Jiang Cheng responding with anger and hurtful words all the time as being anything other than a bully (and most kids and teenagers are horrible because they’re allowed to be, one set of my grandparents were Polish teenagers in hiding during the holocaust, they weren’t dumb and even if they got mad they weren’t going to show it because they liked living and already had 1 kid with another on the way they were too young for their responsibilities but they had them and keeping their heads down and taking crap was part of it to stay alive. (Edit: just to clarify- they ended up getting to France (who was working with Germany at the time) and a French officer took them in under the agreement of free work and if they got caught it was their problem because he’d just say he’d never seen them and they were trespassing or thieves or whatever fit the situation so my grandfather was basically the groundskeeper and my grandmother was his wife’s wet nurse so keeping her milk going wasn’t optional. She’d been 13 when she unwillingly got pregnant running from Poland before meeting my grandfather at 14. Being unpaid servants for food, shelter, and a self-made hidey-hole and being smart enough to hide any gifts they received or valuable “trash” thrown out that could be used as currency EVERYWHERE in case they DID have to run, they could grab SOMETHING on the way out. My father was born there)) I didn’t need to understand about life and death to understand that how I feel about anything isn’t anyone else’s problem and it’s not okay for me to be mean or yell at anyone just because I’m upset or in a bad mood because that’s MY problem. I’d figured that out the first time I saw someone calling someone else mean names for no reason and they cried so to me being a teenager is WAY too old to be doing it. Should someone his age have to go through these things? No. Should everyone in his life have tolerated anger being his first response to everything? Absolutely NOT if they wanted him to be a good person as an adult- using the excuse that they’re young for bad behavior is what makes it too late to correct. A teenager already isn’t going to listen to their parents and make corrections and it’s only a couple years to adulthood and you’ll never get a chance after that. He still would have been an angry adult even if it was lessened if the things you mentioned hadn’t happened. He just would have had to be constantly restrained by his brother and sister like always because people don’t change unless they’re given a VERY strong reason to WANT to. Jiang Cheng isn’t someone who feels he needs to change, only other people should. It’s not his fault, it’s the fault if everyone around him that didnt make it abundantly clear that he’s fallible, his way isn’t always the right way, and there might be more than one right way along with how not to be a dictator. You can’t help what you don’t know. I’ve met people so pacifistic they ended up being killed because they refused to defend themselves and risk hurting someone else which seems unrealistic to me but it happened. I’ve also met someone so terrified of someone who was completely harmless to everyone except himself because his medication ran out from insurance issues that the guy was holding a gun on him screaming at him to stop and shot him (he was hallucinating, had all his life, non-violent but occasionally thought he could fly or walk on water or fire wouldn’t burn him so he wasn’t hurting anyone, just talking about things no one could see and was killed by someone scared). I’ve also known people like Wei Ying and life is exceedingly more difficult than it has to be when you’re trying to make everyone you care about happy without letting them find out how much you’re hurting, especially when it’s largely caused by them even if you’re unwilling to acknowledge it because the good may be more than the bad but it doesn’t erase it or work through it all by itself. Mostly when you meet people like him you won’t know it unless you’re close to them anyway, you’ll only know whatever character they’re playing that day. If he was a Native American the Pueblo (Koyemshi) would have said the equivalent of “he’s not a regular warrior, he’s been given a duty” when they noticed his unusual attitude and given him the title of Sacred Clown. It’s not the same but it’s similar to what’s called “crazy wisdom” in Taoism now (it wasn’t a thing in the original teachings). A sacred clown plays many roles, does what they can to make sure no one takes themselves TOO seriously and becomes proud, arrogant, petty, vain, etc because they notice these traits becoming a bit much and know just the right balance between poking fun hard enough to sting a lil so they know it’s true but in a way that will still make them able to laugh at themselves. It’s a position held with honor as high as healer or story weaver, and cannot be punished for doing their sacred duty, even by the chieftain for mocking the chieftain unless it’s wartime.

Sakura

Hi! Glad to see you back 🤗 Here some mandarin context about the lifelong confidant (without spoiler) When Lan Zhan asks Wei Ying what he is to him, Wei Ying replies by describing him as his soulmate or confidant, using the term "知己" (zhījǐ). The most famous phrase used in this context is: "我曾经把你当作我的一生知己" (Wǒ céngjīng bǎ nǐ dàngzuò wǒ de yīshēng zhījǐ) Translation: "I once considered you my soulmate/confidant for a lifetime." Meaning of Zhījǐ (知己): This term goes beyond simple friendship; it refers to a person who understands you deeply: an "intimate friend" or "soulmate." Lan Zhan then replies, confirming that this is still true: "依然是" (yīrán shì), meaning "I still am."

Katie-Didn’t

AGREED! Lifelong confidant is the WORST translation in that scene and doesn’t explain why he’s distancing himself, then suddenly grabbing him and hiding in the bushes 😂

Jade Kichenapanaidou

I kind of think that Guangyao don't like the fact that Wuxian is not a noble, just like him, but he is doing better than him and is respected by others (PS:Oh yeah exactly, you thought the same, he is totally jealous)

nvmind

It's funny Aydin mentioned lip balm right before that scene

Mel~

Welcome back! I hope you had a good time with your family~ Yes!!! I was also waiting for Yanli to stand up for Wuxian. That was one of the highlights of this episode.

Jun Hinotori

I was waiting for your reaction since last week, but yes, you deserved a very good break, you deserve it! Next episode is my favorite. Totally awesome Wei Wu Xian.

nancy metz

What does IM SAT mean? I've seen that before and never understood it.

nancy metz

Did anyone notice that at the target scene noone clapped for Zixuan, while everyone (except the Jin clan) were enthusiastic for Wei Wuxian?

Leaf

I love when Wuxian first smiles at his big sis then at his boo when he does stuff well, he's so cute xD

Leaf

The mum asking Yanli to join the hunt is the equivalent of watching a horror film with your crush I guess lmao she probably hopes Yanli will cling to Zixuan if she's scared xD

Leaf

Lan Zhan protecting Wei Ying like 'hold your horses, that's my lifelong confidant right there'

Leaf

All the Jin Clan can do is run their mouths when they could have been hunting prey instead.

Leaf

No everyone arriving as soon as Zixuan decides to confess lmao an extrovert's worst nightmare: confessing in front of an audience

Leaf

I feel Jiang Cheng and his imposter symdrome does not appreciate that Wei Wuxian is all other people talk about. Like no matter if it's positive or negative, people look up or are scared of Wei Wuxian, but not of Jiang Cheng.

Katie-Didn’t

The following is opinion formed from additional information that’s ALL from the novels. NOTHING that will come up in the series- That’s a true thing and something his mother constantly insulted him about saying he’d NEVER hold a candle to him and needed to work harder and stop associating with him. Kinda part of why he also BECAME her; he went more of the “abused becomes the abuser” route. About half of what she monologued about ended up being right after she died leaving him wondering about the other half (she called him an idiot a lot, largely because she was making a point that he wasn’t doing as told and to point out AGAIN that she must be horribly inadequate to Wuxian’s mom to produce such an inferior son since his father’s potential was known in the clan and was good enough to be her husband’s head “servant” (bodyguard) but not anything special since she was ranked 3rd among female cultivators and stronger than her husband if I remember correctly)

Katie-Didn’t

As a fairly extreme introvert I can safely say it doesn’t mean you’re shy or embarrassed or afraid to talk about feelings. That’s a whole separate issue. Talking about your feelings in front of a big group of people you don’t really know, much less know well probably sucks for anyone, but ACTUALLY running away as a grown man??? I get that culturally she’s not supposed to say anything before he does but she’s been standing there ready, waiting, taking all the insults for years, and HE ran??? I’m going with “my daddy’s a man-whore, everyone knows it, I constantly have siblings popping up and no idea how to treat them so I’ve stayed ridiculously proper with women my whole life and now I have LITERALLY no idea how to woo one even a little and I’m completely embarrassed about it so can I please hide somewhere and let someone else tell her?”. Which all could have been avoided if he’d just told her the truth about the invitation when he delivered it so it was either just in front of her brothers or asked to speak to her just a few steps away within sight for just 1-2 minutes, could have even faked a private message from his mom or something just to get the truth out there. When it’s being an introvert you just find larger groups of people stifling, draining, the opposite of fun or having a good time etc. and being the center of attention IN a large group just makes all that exponentially worse. Being alone is your time to recharge but everyone gets lonely occasionally, even hard-core introverts… but usually they can just stick it out for a day or two and it passes, or use the phone or a messenger program to chat with someone for like, an hour and it’s all good. Not because introverts don’t like people, but life has so much to offer and various forms of entertainment that don’t require anyone else and communicating with people who insist on misunderstanding everything making you explain yourself repeatedly, getting offended at word choices that have absolutely no negative attributes but have been arbitrarily decided are “bad” even if they’re the correct word (like my mentally retarded uncle with no other word, medical or otherwise that describes his diagnosis from an infant fever over 108 that did not break for far too long causing retardation in his mental development but it’s a “bad” word even though it’s his medical diagnosis), not to mention having to explain the difference between facts and opinions when someone says someone has is wrong, or the VERY strange rules of “social norms” that are NOT normal behavior but everyone is supposed to follow suck all the enjoyment out of everything and the energy out of introverts. So unless we meet people that have less energy drain AND we enjoy being around enough to be worth whatever drain there is we usually just prefer SMALL groups or groups that don’t involve interaction. Shy, embarrassed, modest, nervous, whatever he is is a WHOLE separate category.

Katie-Didn’t

Wuxian is treated better on his merits when he has no clan bloodline while dimples might be a bastard but he IS the son of a clan leader and treated like crap while having an eidetic memory, not being taught to cultivate as a child but still learning well, and being an expert planner in every way, tactics to events. While neither of them think the world is a fair place, it’s about what you choose to focus on, and what, if anything, you decide to do about it. They both have their personal trigger insults: “son of a (whore/servant)” for each of them. Dimples always smiles and acts like it’s nothing while Wuxian gets mad for like, 2s and even if no one did anything to calm him down he’d do less than what he does to Jin Zixuan for insulting Yanli; he’d really just give them a jab to the face hard enough to make them regret saying it, but not lay them out or anything, and walk away. The people that know him rush to calm him down because they’re used to seeing how he acts when he’s being protective and that’s FAR more scary than anything he’ll ever do over an insult to himself because it’s either such untrue crap he wants to laugh or half the reason he’s upset is because he’s wondering if it’s true and if he even has the right to be insulted due to the subtle and blatant verbal abuse he’s received ever since he can remember and never shaking the feeling that the Lotus Pier massacre might actually BE his fault thanks to Jiang Cheng and Madam Yu.

nancy metz

I wonder how everything would have been if JC had learned about the core change closer to this point of time?

nancy metz

Your intelligence is frightening, sir! Bravo to you!

Leaf

IM SAT as in lemme sit down to give you my full attention because I'm super interested in what's happening

Katie-Didn’t

Spoilers! Can’t say much! But just based on who he is at this point and the novels it’s still a mix of guilt, resentment, and anger that just comes out as anger because just like Wuxian rescuing him from imprisonment- “who asked you to do it” and “you expect a thank you” type statements because he’s not going to admit that he cares and Wuxian already explained why he couldn’t let Jiang Cheng find out the truth. Instead of appreciating that he’d been restored, he’d only feel like nothing he accomplished was on his own merit, it was all because of Wuxian so everything HE did was really what Wuxian did, then feel guilty for feeling like that, then resent that he felt guilty because he didn’t ask for it, then angry about the whole thing all over again. It’s just who he is. If everyone around him hadn’t tolerated his anger fits growing up it might have been different. Like the first night Wei Ying was there and he kicked him out- that’s something in my whole extended family (except for 2 people) is a learning opportunity to show kids what it feels like to be treated that way. So you turn around, kick Jiang Cheng out with a blanket, and tell him exactly what what he told Wei Ying. Or in the case of my Italian aunt who would have been more upset about how Wei Ying had starved, given instructions that Jiang Cheng was not to be fed and could only eat what he could find on his own till he learned some compassion. But generally we’ve always used “treat others how you want to be treated” as an object lesson discipline method- however you speak or act gets turned around on you till you understand how it feels and why you shouldn’t do it because children only know one thing when they’re born and that’s to scream at cry till they get what they want. Everything else is learned or taught. It may sound weird but it works. My family is EXTREMELY multicultural- I’m half Polish, 1/4 Blackfoot, and 1/4 Jewish. There’s also aunts and uncles of full Irish and Italian and African American culture married in. With all the different beliefs and ideas about raising kids, it’s the one thing everyone could agree on. Everyone gets the immediate consequences of their actions and no one can complain about too much/harsh or not enough/soft discipline. Liars get lied to, screamers get screamed at, lazy ones don’t get anything done for them AT ALL, etc. while being told what’s happening to them and why. Jiang Cheng was constantly told to practice and make his own achievements but not WHY, and he’d never been without the privilege of status and money so he was always able to get away with behavior that would have gotten him expelled from the clan or killed on the streets as a nobody without ever knowing it or understanding that it was even happening. Wei Ying knew EXACTLY what he could and couldn’t get away with because he’d tested his boundaries in his new environment and didn’t cross them. He may have SEEMED like he was thoughtless but that was never the case. In some instances, his sense of morality was strong enough that he just decided to accept the consequences if it turned out that he HAD crossed the line, but he had to do what he had to do; he’d been homeless before and could do it again. Giving Jiang Cheng the benefit of that “experience” even though it wouldn’t have truly been the same would have made him a better leader and person for having greater perspective.

Katie-Didn’t

Plus if you think about it, he DOES know that Wuxian gave up his ONE miracle to him, and even at the time he didn’t even thank him much but expressed crazy gratitude to the invisible “immortal” that helped him. NOT to Wei Wuxian. It’s also not something that tempers his anger or makes him wonder “hey, I wonder if something happened that could have been fixed if I hadn’t used his chance to get help?”. So that’s kind of an answer too.

Jun Hinotori

Late but I need to say that with Wei Wu Xian also succeeds in hitting all 5 targets at the same time, preventing anyone else from trying and freeing the Wen clan from this misfortune.

Nininoona

That translations still pisses me off. Thats NOT what he says.

Leaf

I chose to laugh about it rather than cry 🫠 translations of Chinese media are always so wonky on netflix