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The Untamed Ep. 27-28 | Uncut Reaction (Patreon)

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Mel~

Just do whatever you think is the best for you. 🫶🏻

Glenny Lennox

Just do whatever’s easiest ! We’re all good here we promise lol. Maybe even make like a separate reaction video at the end of each week or something? Going over like I don’t know for episodes that you watched that way you can just go back and look at the notes and the notes. Tell more of a story for you then just like one episode of notes? And then you can just react to the videos and then go back and have a separate video where you just talk about what happened in the last few episodes you saw. Or whatever’s easier for you! I’m just talking.

Katie-Didn’t

11:32 Wei Ying is romantically CLUELESS still. He’s never actually been attracted to anyone and wouldn’t recognize the feelings yet. He likes looking at pretty girls like people like looking at pretty art vs ugly art. And Wangji IS pretty so he looks at him too and doesn’t much think about it otherwise 😂

Katie-Didn’t

21:11 Wangji REALLY just looks like he’s contemplating killing every person in the room. Memorizing faces, names, every word insulting Wuxian, every lie he’s aware of for later use … Yibo is doing some AMAZING acting with nothing but micro facial movements 👍❤️

Nina Wu

THE gay couple and their little son 🥹❤️ I love this family so much

Nina Wu

Wei Wuxian actually said “I gave birth to him” when Wangji asked him about the kid… not Netflix subtitles censoring Mama!Wuxian 😭

Mel~

You thinking Wei Ying was going to hug Lan Zhan’s leg made me laugh so hard I almost choked and woke up my mom (it’s almost 3:00am)😮‍💨🤣

avaseofpeonies

A couple of fun things in these episodes: The song WWX plays on the roof to calm WN is the song that Wangji wanted him to learn to keep his own dark powers under control. When WWX said that A-Yuan is his son, he actually said "I gave birth to him."

Deenita Morton

Answering why they don't fly everywhere with their swords. 1) It takes up their spiritual energy which they may need to hold onto incase something (enemy, ghosts, etc.) appears. 2) It's possible the other cultivators with him have too little spiritual energy to fly or were never trained to fly.

Katie-Didn’t

32:20 Wuxian was responsible for taking out 1/3 of the Wen fighting forces total during the war.

Katie-Didn’t

35:55 Wuxian did it but again, since what he can and can’t do isn’t a known thing, it’s all new, he can’t prove his innocence about anything they say

Katie-Didn’t

1:07:30 because it’s the right thing to do. Wuxian is horribly disappointed Jiang Cheng can’t see that and Jiang Cheng feels like their bond is carelessly being tossed aside for a few nobodies who don’t mean anything in the grand scheme of things.

하루

I honestly prefer the 2ep's idea instead of only 1ep💁🏻‍♀️

Happy happyyy

My comment have no spoilers, just some comparisons with the OG novel for discussion. I personally lowkey don't like the show and how they handled with the censorship. China's drama kinda have a thing where they can't have a main character who is a villain, even if it's due to consequences or not. So they have to whitewash those MC a little bit. And TU did the same thing to WWX. The thing I like about the novel, or in particular, the way the author wrote her characters, is how they all have their own ideal, and in their perspective, they are not wrong. Most of the pain were either coming from the ultimate villain (of course) or the consequences of their differences. I read a lot of hate comments toward JC or arguments about who was wrong, who was stupid, WWX or JC. Those arguments actually are the reason why the show and WWX got so much hate at the same time. I think they are all meaningless. Even LZ was confusing standing in the middle, then how can two 20-21 years old young man that were so different make their best decision at all? The show changed a lot about WWX and what he did (because he is the main character and he should have no flaws, never do anything wrong even if they are accidental), in the same time, they keep Jiang Cheng and some side characters's reactions the same so everyone just accidentally looked stupid, even Lan Zhan. Xie Lian in HOB and WWX were all written as young and so talented that they thought they alone can save the world. But in the end, they messed up, learn a lesson, kinda died and when they return, they have to deal with the consequences of their actions in their last life, after dealing with them, they just mind their own business and stop give a fvck. They were never wrong, they're just young and naive, and that is the best message ever. In the same time, "TU" just make WWX a heroic guy who is so perfect, got framed everytime because everyone jealous of him (that's true tho), picked the dark path and turned out just fine (bullshit btw), every consequences are because he was framed (not completely)... I feel like they took away all of his character depth and made half of the cast just looked stupid.

Katie-Didn’t

1:27:17 she’s having a dream of his death. His latern has gone out and his hanbuk is folded opposite, burial style. The way it looked when he was concentrating a few episodes ago and picturing himself in the burial mounds with his robes all tattered and folded opposite in front.

Katie-Didn’t

1:35:00 can anyone believe that little brat came from these two quiet awkward people?

Katie-Didn’t

1:42:30 Wuxian teaching Yuan how to get free shit 😂❤️

Sakura

And that's why everyone despise Jiang Cheng character 🤷🏻‍♀️ yes he had his youth as an excuse but what he did here, basically telling to Wei Ying he won't stand by him like Wei Ying did for him MULTIPLE times, is the same as abandoning him to the dogs who will hunt him down. That's also why Wei Ying became cold with him, why try to explain to someone who doesn’t want to hear or understand? I would have done the same to be honest 😅 It's a waste of time. And yet again, Wei Ying protected Jiang Cheng by cutting his ties with the clan. If only Jiang Cheng had stood by his side against the Jin clan and their lackeys...

nvmind

Some of my favourite episodes 😭😭

nancy metz

I'm glad you have such a critical thinking brain. I'm too emotionally invested in this drama. Then, again, I'm an emotionally motivated person, thinking with my heart, not my brain. I admit I am a simp.

Riri

the beginning of ep 27 is my FAVORITE moment from this whole series. My interpretation for what happens also comes from their relationship and lan zhan's title. Wei Ying realizes that saving the Wens who the other clans think of as dogs has him on an immediate hit list so he will have to fight for his life sometime. Then you have lan zhan who has been conferred the title of Hanguanjun (lightning bearing lord) and is known to be where evil is detected and eradicate it. Wei Ying probably feels he will gain salvation from all the "evil" he has performed by being a ghost cultivator and savior of the "evils". Not to mention, dying at the hands of your beloved is also a kind of salvation. My wangxian heart 😭😭💔💔

Katie-Didn’t

I think most of what made him darker in the novels was taken away by censorship though. They can’t show his army of the dead or grave digging so that’s out. And the bulk of that was during the war anyway so even though people didn’t really want to go watch, they were fine with it till they started using it for rumor fodder during the Yiling Patriarch days to talk about how evil he was. Later, he realized how arrogant it was to dig up the Wens to make them fight the remaining Wens because at the TIME he thought it was ironically brilliant and funny because he was young and full of a lot of resentment and hate himself because of everything they’d done to him and his adoptive family. I’m not sure I understand what you mean about Wuxian’s portrayal of being without flaws or making mistakes in the show though. For instance they made his relationship with Wen Ning much closer before Lotus Pier was attacked, but he was also more ruthless in how he treated him when he saw him there to rescue Jiang Cheng which is a LOT worse than the novels where they’d met ONCE at the archery competition like 2-3 years prior just as an example. Any chance you could tell me some examples t? I’m honestly interested and would love to discuss. This name is also my YouTube handle and you can find me there if you’re concerned about spoilers. I mean, this show has the same problem EVERY show and movie made from a book has- there will ALWAYS be things left out, modified, or (the worst thing that I hate) added or changed completely from the books (the Yin iron storyline and issues in this case). The second problem that always happens is the books can tell you what people are thinking/felling when something is going on, what their personality is like, where their head is at, what stance they take and why in general ALL the time when they aren’t saying anything, because they can’t, someone else is doing the talking and they find out they don’t HAVE to say anything, when the character hates talking, knows they’re being spied on, doesn’t want to explain themselves so only uses a few words, is SUPER shy, talks constantly because they can’t stand the silence but what they’re saying doesn’t necessarily reflect their personality or inner thoughts etc etc so many reasons for no words in the dialogue but lots of them in the book. It’s what made Ender’s Game such an amazing, deep, epic story… as a book. As a movie? If you read the book you want to smash the screen and everyone else is like “that’s cool!”- it’s not supposed to be cool! It’s required reading at the FBI for psychology in MULTIPLE areas! And it’s 1980s science fiction when you still got beat up at school for liking it! So THAT problem has to be overcome with voiceovers, flashbacks, adding a diary, REALLY good acting (The Untamed does this with the limited use of voiceovers and tiny flashback scenes well enough for people who are able to interpret the acting correctly in my personal opinion which isn’t everyone’s) or whatever else they can think of to say what’s happening in someone’s head if it’s important. The “leaving out parts” doesn’t bother me as much as it used to unless they leave out parts that are kinda the point of the story or parts that are short, easy, and explain SO MUCH that was just left hanging. That’s why after I finished the show I knew it had to have come from another source, so I checked, then immediately watched the animation which filled in more for me, and worked backwards to the novels 😊. I’ve been reading daily for 36 years so I’ve been through at least 8k ebooks, most more than once, and I don’t actually know how many paperbacks since I have them stored to prevent damage till I can get the ebook cheap. When you’ve read that much fiction it’s easy to spot the movies and shows made from books even if you haven’t read them, they ALL have those same issues where they’re just missing obvious story plot so I’m not saying it couldn’t be improved, BUT I dont think it could be improved MUCH with the censorship laws. Not because of the “villain” issue given the example above, just because of what HAD to be left out being kinda large plot points. Like what’s the point of how dangerous the Yin Tiger Tally is if you can’t SHOW what it does? I DO think the show does a good job of showing that he was always aware of what he’d done to Wen Ning and he’d always felt guilty for it which was why he works so hard to restore him as close to normal as he can possibly get (whether he died or not). The difference between the flashbacks and his feelings in the present are that he never thought about Ning’s future- where could he live? What could he do with his life? Anything that didn’t involve Wuxian is a BIT difficult… but he also wasn’t thinking about his own future past planting, harvesting, selling, building etc. so his own future looked the same as Wen Ning’s. He later realized his own immaturity and lack of consideration in that regard, especially since he restored Wen Ning at his sister’s request, but never actually asked what Wen Ning wanted when he was the one who remembered everything he’d done, including killing those people, and had such a gentle nature that, just like Wuxian was never asked what he wanted to do with his life and was made a cultivator, Wen Ning might not have wanted to continue as he was but wouldn’t have said a word to disappoint his sister or “Wei-gongzi”. Wuxian wasn’t totally ignorant of possibilities: he HAD contingency plans for worst case scenario invasion of the Burial Mounds. As mentioned in the novel it’s bigger than Cloud Recesses and by clearing out the resentful energy it’s now habitable (no good deed goes unpunished since leaving it meant he had to stay put because the ghosts wouldn’t come anywhere near him due to fear but added protection from outsiders so… pros and cons) and that’s a LOT of land to defend for one person even when multiple layers of security, arrays, spells that do nothing but give a warning, and in the novels he DID have puppets and ghosts on constant patrol. It’s not like he lacked corpses in the burial mounds so it was pretty easy for him to clear up the farming space while creating their private security forces with instructions for who was allowed passage, how close anyone could come before they could react by pretending to attack, etc. In the novels yes, he WAS less of a pacifist after he went through all the bad things, but he still had a line of not hurting anyone who didn’t either attempt to mess with him or “his” people first OR if he happened to overhear plans being made to do so he’d check to see if they were actually trying to follow through and had no problem killing them before the actual attempt if they were all doing their assigned tasks and meeting up to go for it. In the show he’s not THAT proactive with killing, mostly I think because they’re trying to show that it’s never something he WANTED to do, but HAD to do IF he was going to continue defending his stance and the Wen’s he’d saved. That was also true in the novels other than the time frame making it go on longer and making it feel more pointless, making him feel more like the clans were/are a mockery of everything they should be, and the ones that decided he was evil “because… you make puppets and commit atrocities” (so he… won a war for everyone? Oh… wait… apparently he did a bunch of other stuff like kill the neighbors dog and give a whole town “the pox” (I’m making up examples) he didn’t even know happened and no one even has evidence but who ELSE would do it?) and never actually thought it through or considered he might be innocent or that people were trying to get the Yin Tiger Tally, essentially zealots, were mockingly called “warriors of justice”. Mostly in his head but occasionally out loud, and he DID ask them logical questions, but like all zealots they just went back to “don’t try to twist the truth with your dirty tricks and escape the death you deserve!” because he was TOTALLY trying to escape, not try to find a way to get you to back off so he didn’t have to kill you (again, didn’t WANT to kill, just a bit more blasé about it eventually in the novels with repetition) so the random “Justice Warriors” would occasionally show up at the Burial Mounds with banners and try to wait him out or try to break in. For Wuxian in the novels, it was idiotic zealots that HAD to be idiots to think they could possibly live if they tried to kill him or his people and over time, due to the power he wielded starting to feel normal rather than powerful. He started to see it almost more like… as an analogy the best I can think of (for my POV) is people throwing themselves into a pit of spikes and blaming him for their deaths when he was like “hey, pit of spikes there” and they were like “I don’t believe you because everyone says you lie about everything”. So by the time he’d gotten to that point, he wasn’t bothered by killing them; he’d issued a general warning that no one was welcome when he’d first retreated to the burial mounds, and if the patrolling fierce corpses growling, snarling, and snapping at anyone who got too close to the WALL built (preexisting for contamination of the everything in there; Wuxian had to break down a section to get out which became the entrance/exit path to town) aren’t enough to get it across, he would personally tell them he absolutely did NOT care what they had against him and if they left that would be the end of it, but if they stayed they either didn’t ACTUALLY believe the stories they said they believed about him because they would have known that they would suffer a fate MUCH worse than death with absolutely NO hope of even a token resistance… and if they didn’t believe them there still wasn’t any point in coming since it was a fact that trespassers were killed as they had to force their way in… aaaand the “warriors of justice” would just jump right into the pit of spikes because that’s how zealots do. I don’t PERSONALLY find anything wrong with that- everyone makes their own choices and if, for instance, I’m 16 being subjected to sexual comments by a 32yo co-worker at a fast food drive-thru we’re both stuck at so I can’t walk away from taking the orders when he’s talking the money and I’m required to tell everyone who orders one that if they supersize their value meal they’ll get a free pie of their choice with it, and my coworker is using that as an excuse to say REALLY nasty things that are getting more and more personal no matter how many times and ways I tell him to stop and it’s NOT okay before I finally say “if you make one more sexual comment towards me I WILL punch you”, and when he did, I also did. I doubted I’d lose my job but I was willing to accept it if I did, I knew that just because he deserved worse for being like that with someone under age and therefore a REALLY gross guy (especially with WHAT he was saying) didn’t mean I would be safe from any repercussions just because I thought I was right, mainly because it was MY choice to make the ultimatum to punch him AND follow through. However, it was also HIS choice to fafo knowing the consequences and either not believing them or deciding it was worth it (I don’t know, he was fired same day, I got a raise and was told that was only because they’d been having serious problems with him but hadn’t been able to catch anything to legit fire him but if I did that again I was out). But I understand that a lot of people think that no one is allowed to offend anyone else, except them because they can offend and upset everyone with their speeches about political correctness and everything you aren’t allowed to say because it hurts feelings even though they don’t actually know that and creating generations of people who get their feelings hurt THAT easily isn’t great for mental health or the human race and they’re usually the same ones that believe you shouldn’t EVER physically hurt anyone under any circumstances (I despise absolutes because there’s almost always circumstances that create exceptions) and claim they wouldn’t hurt anyone even in self-defense… and that’s fine because it’s their choice, but if someone is trying to kill me or someone else, I’m trying to stop them whether it hurts them or not. Defense of one’s self or another person has never been considered “wrong” outside a class system. Proactive self-defense or defense of another WITH corresponding evidence is more grey, but as long as you have clear intent to act it’s still generally accepted. (Class system-harming someone of the same or higher rank in ANY way, a scratch or red mark even from protecting someone of lower rank was a punishable offense (unless you’re higher ranked than the person hurt). Even in the novels I never found him villainous. HE felt he was. I felt like there’s not a human being alive that doesn’t have a breaking point and your average person would have done FAR worse, and sooner, than he did just because they hit their breaking point. At some point when everyone decides you’re a certain kind of person, you hear it long enough, no one will listen or budge their opinion, you go “Screw it, if this is who you think I am, then that’s what I’ll be. You want it? Here, have it. Happy now?” because THATS the final release, no more fighting or trying, you’re just giving in because you broke. You gave everyone what they wanted. I can’t find “villain” in THAT either. That’s cause and effect to me. The consequences were bad, he made the wrong choice, but was it even a choice? That’s the problem with labels, they’re neat, they have nice boxes to put people in, but people aren’t neat, and don’t really fit in boxes, we aren’t easily labeled. The 4th or 5th novel mentions that this story is a direct reference to the legend of the 10 Golden Crows. There’s no “Villain” in that legend, just bad things happening, people doing hard things and making hard choices to save people.

Katie-Didn’t

My interpretation of “light bearing lord” is slightly different as it can also be “ light protector”. Especially as “Wangji” means free from worldly affairs, which would help protect light but does do much good for being a light bearer. But either way… what or WHO is the “light” he protects? No one ever says but seeing as the show has a constant Yin-yang theme, Lan Zhan is REALLY REALLY not representative of traditional Yang (light)… which leaves? Wei Ying!!! Who’s, of course, the Yang that pulls all the Yin to the yard. And the “light” that needs protecting!!!

Katie-Didn’t

EXACTLY!!! Along with saying “I’m a hypocritical coward!yes they did the EXACT SAME THING for us when they would have been KILLED ON THE SPOT if discovered, but I won’t even speak up for them because peer pressure and I won’t acknowledge that you can easily keep us safe from anyone that tried to attack us because that’s my job”

Katie-Didn’t

Plus not all swords are spiritual weapons that CAN be used that way, they have to be specially forged while infusing spiritual energy, not just made by a blacksmith or they could just grab a broom or something

Katie-Didn’t

Actually I DO think he was making a subtle point to Wangji about both privilege and just because a statement IMPLIES something doesn’t mean it’s happening or BEING implied- that’s what OTHER people are hearing, not what’s being said.

Katie-Didn’t

Or “Light protecting lord” and considering Lan Zhan does NOT represent Yang (light) I’ve always felt he was the Wei Ying protector. Totally my interpretation

Katie-Didn’t

We’re still getting to mine. I’m dying because I can’t wait but I don’t wanna cry again 🫣

nancy metz

That's called "The Song of Clarity." The whole song can be found on YouTube. It's in my favorites.

Katie-Didn’t

Sorry, clarification- regular rules of censorship, not “make him more heroic” censorship. Wuxian definitely has flaws and makes mistakes and even admits them IN the flashbacks. He never aspired to saving the world though, just protecting the weak and staying on the side of justice. He wasn’t trying to get world peace and feed all the starving or walk up in the clan meeting and lay down some new laws to save everyone or anything so grand. Occasionally, when the opportunity arose he followed the Jiang clan motto to “attempt the impossible” with freeing the hostages from Wen Chou, killing the Xuannu of Slaughter, making it out of the Burial Mounds alive, and getting Wen Ning back to his normal self as closely as possible (even in the novels he still occasionally stutters if really nervous or upset even though his face can’t show much expression and still super warm and caring and protective and feels emotional pain deeply). Saving the world though? That’s definitely Xue Lian. He DOES understand more about other people’s perspectives and is less fearless in general the longer he’s alive again.

nancy metz

I like the physic (?) connection of Wuxian and Yanli. He felt it when she agreed for marriage and she felt it when he "defected."

Jade Kichenapanaidou

In the scene with Yanli ang Jin Zixuan near the end I think you actually missed the the fact that he was planting lotus, so no, he doesn't usually do that. And that's also why he said that he will build another Lotus Pier for her, he meant here in the Jin Clan, to make her feel like home. Also I like the fact that we can see the legend of the evil Yiling Patriarch being created by others. It shows how much power people hold on you. You are what the rumours wants you to be, and that's how history will remember you.

nancy metz

Do you still have your YouTube? I couldn't find it, unless you're the singer.

Leaf

Lan Zhan looks so conflicted, he wants to keep Wei Ying safe, but then he would prevent him from being who he is, he is proud and loves Wei Ying from protecting the innocent and at the same time mad it has to go against all the rules and make Wei Ying hated by society, and a part of him wishes he could throw caution to the wind and be with him, but he can't abandon his own clan and family for him...

Leaf

What I like about the drama is that they develop a lot of the side characters. The book is Wei Wuxian pov so we get to see the side characters evolve independently less.

Leaf

I looove Wei Ying and Lan Zhan with A Yuan so much T-T

Meri

Jiang Cheng and Wei Wuxians story is genuinely so sad, they both care for one another for sure its such a complicated relationship

Jun Hinotori

🥰 Exactly! Mian Mian has the guts that others lack, I love it. 🙌 Go girl!

Katie-Didn’t

The novels DO randomly switch character POV for like, 2 paragraphs without warning during some of Wei Ying’s many unconscious states, but you’re right, it’s mainly just his observations and what HE thinks the expressions or meanings behind comments mean. I’m glad the author adds his thoughts AFTER the description of what’s happening though because, depending on who it is (like Lan Zhan, and with Jiang Cheng it depends on the subject) he’ll make extremely intelligent observations or… “*sitting in Xuannu cave next to Lan Zhan in his under robe while Lan Zhan has head down forcing eyes up in several kinds of pain but looking awkward while Wei Ying leans into person space and stares STRAIGHT into his eyes like he’s going to examine his soul if he looks long enough and the longer he looks, the more Lan Zhan’s face relaxes and softens…* ‘you like Mianmian don’t you?’ *Lan Zhan’s face hardens and he abruptly jerks back*”misunderstandings. For Wei Ying that’s “Crap! He doesn’t want anyone to know and there I go running my mouth again and I just put it right out there! He’s probably still not even sure how serious he feels and wants to be sure before saying anything, he’s definitely not a casual guy but there I go and he probably thinks I’m making fun of him or joking about his feelings! Oh god, he’s always called me frivolous, now he’s never going to think I take anything seriously or have even heard the word ‘discretion’. Nevermind! What am I even thinking? If we don’t die here, he’ll probably just kill me and toss my body in the lake…” type observations… so, NOT so genius but it IS a good representation of his thought process where he’s concerned. It’s… hilariously SO wrong almost all the time. I think it’s largely because his understanding of who he is, his thought process, WHY he acts the way he does in general from the time they met, (like he never noticed he didn’t have any friends for years, so that would mean he was always quiet and inexperienced with conversation, basically bad with words and kinda afraid of saying the wrong thing once he cared about saying the right thing), and his real opinion of Wei Ying are all completely wrong in Wei Ying’s head. The incorrect idea of Lan Zhan is reinforced LITERALLY every time he’s mentioned or seen anywhere near Jiang Cheng in the Novels which is less than helpful but it’s rarely malicious, Jiang Cheng just saw how Wangji literally watched Wei Ying the whole time at Gusu SPECIFICALLY, to look for opportunities to punish him, and he knew this for a fact because everyone else, including himself, were getting away with a lot because he was looking the wrong way so if he wanted to punish him that badly he must REALLY hate him, and his attitude had never significantly changed since he’d always ignored Wuxian if he didn’t get mad so he and Wei Ying had no reason to believe Lan Zhan ever felt more than tolerance at BEST (Jiang Cheng would tell Wei Ying that Lan Zhan said/did whatever because “it’s obvious” he hates him/thinks he’s disgusting/can’t stand the sight of him/get away from him fast enough/never want to set eyes on him again and some even nastier things then reminding him that he told him not to start anything/promised he wouldn’t , so WHY would/did he go mess with the ONE person that hates him so much he won’t even acknowledge he’s been greeted by Wei Ying; just continues whatever he was doing like he never heard anything etc). Wei Ying’s judgment with Jiang Cheng was only compromised when it came to their personal relationship, where Jiang Cheng’s bottom lines were and how good his strength of character was. Wei Ying doesn’t NEED anyone but he’s a person that desperately WANTS people who WANT him too (not need because they have no other choice or options because of what he can do for them). He can accomplish whatever he wants in life without anyone depending on how much he’s willing to work for it and what he’s willing to sacrifice, but Jiang Cheng has always needed him or SOMEONE around him so he feels important and in control. Wuxian HAD expected Jiang Cheng to wrestle with his conscience more about Wen Ning & Qing, and the others after seeing all the elderly and non-cultivators (there WERE a few that Ning had been leading as he’d been put in a command position and handpicked a troop of cultivators with personalities just like his to protect them and himself from bullying and not have to worry if he received orders he wasn’t going to carry out; his men wouldn’t question him because they were THRILLED under his command) and personalities like those aren’t generally strong or someone would have noticed it younger and spoiled them, told them repeatedly, made them work harder etc. and they’d at least be able to stand up for themselves if bullied. So seeing that they didn’t even have the population, much less age and genders needed to actually re-populate and carry on their medical knowledge, only the one 2yo was rescued, Wuxian overestimated Jiang Cheng and thought there was a good chance he’d be able to convince him to let everyone know there really wasn’t a threat once he saw and added in the debt they owed. Wuxian misjudged his bottom lines for their relationship because he’d expected pushback about the clan reputation and if he’d wanted he would have gone back and forth once they were settled, but he’d expected to tell him he’d “officially” break from the clan and he’d still be there for him with whatever and they’d still be brothers because Jiang Cheng had always needed him to talk to, ask for advice, if nothing else for plans and strategies, and because they were all the family they had left. He didn’t realize that he was NEVER actually considered real family deep down, or didn’t WANT to realize it (in the novel that first night when he ran out looking for Wei Ying after Yanli did, maybe you remember maybe not but it hit me hard that a kid his age was THAT calculating… Yanli told him to wake everyone to help search before she left because he’d dragged his bedding to the farthest corner with a gazebo for shelter he could find but the longer he laid there the more terrified he got thinking about Jiang Cheng setting the dogs on him any moment like he’d threatened till he was so panicked he just ran into the woods till he couldn’t run anymore and did what he was used to- climbed a tree. Except he’d been having a panic attack and this one didn’t have branches so he was just clinging and convinced dogs WERE after him but Jiang Cheng didn’t know how long he’d been gone, couldn’t find him, and had no choice but to wake up Yanli and tell her everything. After she left he did NOT wake anyone as instructed, he took Wei Ying’s bedding and put it in his room so no one would see it, then waited till he was scared someone would wake up and see him outside so he went looking. When they were both hurt Yanli woke up the clan doctor and had them checked out with proper ointments given and Wei Ying saw how nervous Jiang Cheng looked the longer they were there and promised him that they’d only gotten hurt because of his sudden urge to go tree climbing when he couldn’t sleep from all the excitement and his dad wouldn’t ever hear anything else. Jiang Cheng stopped hating him because of that promise even though he wasn’t sure he liked him or not, and thought it might be fun to have someone to play and have secrets with.) give or take that’s how that part of the novel goes. And he’d done it in the first place because his dad was hoping they’d become closer and his son would finally have a friend so he’d been trying to convince him to share his room so he COULD have a close lifetime friend and when he finally agreed he was so happy he’d picked up Wei Ying and swung him in a circle when he gave him the news, Jiang Cheng saw and immediately changed his mind because that kid was TAKING HIS dad. He’d already taken away HIS dogs. He didn’t get to sleep in HIS room too. (Selfish ingrate imo, I grew up the youngest of 5 in a 3BR 1ba house… 6 ppl, 2 to a room and the bathroom had the laundry in it so it was bigger in sq ft than the bedroom I shared with my sister. If ANY of us had something that was OURS and no one else’s? We had to get VERY creative with hiding places if we wanted it to stay that way and one of my brothers was/is a lost cause, he frequently just took everyone else’s stuff and traded it with people at school for whatever he wanted “temporarily” but just as often sold it to buy something no one else had so he couldn’t trade) So unfortunately he’d never truly been clear about Jiang Cheng’s interpersonal reactions because his understanding of their basis for forming their relationship was flawed. The reason Wuxian loves Yanli’s Lotus and pork rib soup so much isn’t just because it tastes so good, it’s because she made some while they finished at the doctor so when they were nearly back to Jiang Cheng’s room, she’d set up a little table and chairs with the WHOLE pot of soup and when she gave him a full bowl with a lid to keep it warm while he ate he was terrified because of the clear soup and fresh ingredients and MEAT and how big the bowl was and he didn’t know if that’s what they were all eating out of, if he was supposed to pass it along, if that was for the day, if there was something he was supposed to do in return before eating it… then she dished up the same thing for Jiang Cheng and herself and he just watched them eat. She asked if something was wrong and he just asked if the bowl she’d handed him was for him to eat and she said “yes, and there’s more in the pot if you want it when you’re done, I thought you’d both be hungry after everything tonight considering how hungry I am” and Wei Ying dug into the best tasting thing he could remember eating while sitting at a table with Yanli and Jiang Cheng doing the same thing, knowing he was allowed to eat as much as he could till it ran out just like them, and it was the first time there he felt like he might have a real family. That’s what that night and the soup meant to him. Otherwise no, you don’t see INDEPENDENT evolution but you CAN see side character evolution through Wuxians eyes because he IS very good at understanding what’s happening with people and the novel are quite detailed in expressions and reactions and such so interpretations are fairly simple

Katie-Didn’t

He COULD, but Wei Ying wouldn’t thank him for it and Lan Zhan knows he can help Wei Ying FAR more by staying in the loop and having a voice that is still technically impartial whether people want to slander him or not since the rumor mill says they hate each other then Jin leader wants to say they’re close?

Katie-Didn’t

lol absolutely not “the singer”! It didn’t let me use apostrophes when I made it. @Katie-Didn-t

Katie-Didn’t

I saw you ask about my YouTube handle, I wasn’t sure if you were trying to get in touch or not. I don’t check my YouTube often but I DO check it. If you are looking to get in touch I would love to discuss some of the MDZS stuff with you since you’ve seen the show and animated series as well as read the novels so there’s no spoilers. If you ARE, just reply here and let me know. For me it’s easier to use fb messenger and I can give you the direct username (rather than searching profiles). Especially since my name isn’t Katie lol. It’s unpronounceable. 😓😂 my sibs and I mostly got Hebrew or Polish names. If we decided to we also received our Native American tribal names, but those aren’t really shared. @jadwiga.smyla

Katie-Didn’t

Stripping to your underclothes is a really weird way to make a statement but it definitely works in the situation and sometimes you just need to make a point and there’s no good way to do it so once you’ve started, well dammit you gotta follow through, hold your head up, and finish like a Boss! I have BEEN there and I KNOW they were like “wtf is this crzy btch doin” and I was like “I’m making a point like a Boss! You couldn’t have done better with what I had on hand so shut up and learn”. Not out loud or anything, subtext and subtle looks 😂

Milana Smile

i‘m forever in love with your analytical mind and all the details you catch, sometimes you have new perspectives for me, even though i watched this show probably like 15 times! mianmian is a queen! and how didn’t wangji‘s look at wuxian when they met in the end get censored? what could it mean other then seeing the love of your life after parting with him so sadly 🥺 next episodes will be fire! and i couldn’t care less if you post 1 or 2 episodes, maybe you‘ll always switch it, i‘m just happy to get to see your reaction which is really mind blowing all the time!

nancy metz

Awesome! I haven't watched the animation, but I've watched the live action 15+ times and currently reading the novel for the 4th time. Always finding things I missed.

nancy metz

Okay, long past time to say this, but my back is up. They're talking about other people's achievements during the Sunshot Campaign. Dang it! The Jin clan didn't even show up until the battle was over! Grrrrrrr.

Nininoona

Her outer robes were of the Jin clan, the official clan uniform. By discarding them in front of everyone, she declared that she no longer aligned with the clan, their choices, and values, and therefore seceded. It's the ultimate admonishment a clan member can do.

Katie-Didn’t

Jin DADDY was EXCUSED because he’d already let them build an office there and stationed troops so “they’d notice major movements and endanger his clan like Jiang and Gusu”. You can guess how each respective clan head reacted. He sent his son “to show good faith” not to keep him away from random Wen Chao temper tantrums or anything. There’s a whole scene I either missed, was cut between watching Netflix and Viki, or was edited out for the “special editions” (I’m not sure why they’re special). Not long after Wuxian goes missing all the clan heads left are gathered in a 3- wall building at cloud recesses (the Wens have stopped watching them or caring because they’re looking for Xichen and there just aren’t enough people to be a threat as far as they’re concerned, they were unaware of how many inner disciples, elders, and the fighting abilities of the remaining members who were hidden when they took Lan Zhan) and even though Lan Qiran doesn’t want to go to war he HAS realized that Lan Zhan was correct (finally) about everyone joining together to fight back or slowly having their strength and morale drained till they’d just be living under a dictator tyrant and there wouldn’t be a chance to anymore so he’s not being a motivational speaker because he still WANTS to wait for an opportunity or some kind of improvement or their problems to magically be solved I guess, and the clan heads are getting antsy about sneaking there to meet, the danger, blah blah when Lan Zhan starts talking from the Open side of the room. They’re all sitting at tables with spreads like they do for their standard banquets and meetings, so he’s got everyone’s attention and just says they need to work together to fight or give up now and let the Wens do what they want because no one has the numbers or strength to fight back on their own, or even with an ally without losing too many lives that can’t be replaced, then the Wen clan would retaliate and it would have been pointless to try because they’d just become another Lotus Pier with a supervisory office standing in the ruins. So if anyone didn’t agree and wanted to roll over, wear the collar, and follow the leash to Wens wanted everyone on to stop grumbling and just go ahead and leave and pretend none of it ever happened, they wouldn’t win favor for ratting them out since no one could act without everyone else anyway so there was nothing to tell other than leaving their territory without permission to meet with the other heads and discuss current affairs anyway. Nie was like “already been fighting, am fighting, will continue to fight, don’t care who knows. NEVER SURRENDER!” To the surprise of no one. Some objections were raised about how many minor clans had already switched sides not just increasing the Wen numbers, but taking away from their own since they’d been under other clans prior to switching and Lan Zhan was like “you think they had options if they wanted to live? And the ones who did so for the promise of power or prominence aren’t wishing they’d died instead of being through the crap Wen Rohan’s twisted sense of humor puts people through when enticing them to join him and punishing them for being a traitor while fulfilling his promise in the worst way possible?” They were like “nope, I think they’re happy as they can be chilling out with their feet up on the winning side” (in various words from the different heads) and Lan Zhan walked out (kinda looked like he was just leaving cuz he was mad at all the dumb in the room, but was only out of sight due to the hilly landscape for a few seconds before he was walking back) and once he was back inside he said he’d been traveling ever since his initial return from captivity and even though he didn’t know where Xichen was, he was able to send him a one-way message that had been received, so he’d anticipated their objections about the minor clans and brought proof they were willing to stand against the Wens given the same opportunity to fight together with everyone else for an actual chance of winning. People started pouring out from over the bend in the hill, standing formally in groups divided by clan till it was obvious there was more people than room, even outside, and more were still past line of sight. The Major clan heads started questioning each clan leader why they wanted to defect from the Wens, most said they’d never actually agreed to join in the first place, someone had just shown up with a bunch of soldiers and told them they answered to the Wens now or they’d become the next Lotus Pier. (Showing us they were definitely going to burn Cloud Recesses because of the centuries of respect for honorable behavior and willingness to teach others being crushed in an instant as a demonstration that the only respect that mattered was everyone’s for the Wens and THEIR way of doing things. Lotus Pier had stayed neutral for a VERY long time, making them stronger (in individual member strength, not numbers) from never being involved in any fighting/disputes between clans leaving them with a healthy cultivation/training disguised as playing balance, had excellent arrays: temporary, permanent, traps that trigger etc as well as Madam Yu bringing her family knowledge of talismans (Wuxian wasn’t taught but you can guess where he learned) both making individual strength more important than numbers for their specialization. Since staying neutral had made them strong, fortified, and lack enemies, they’d have to be an example either way- if they didn’t submit they’d make their defeat as big of an example as possible in a “salt the earth” way. If they DID submit, they’d made the neutral clan take a side despite their fortified location and set an example for everyone to lead the way). When the “Lotus Pier massacre” was the next objection with the main clan heads saying they’d all end up like that if they tried to go against the Wens like the Jiangs had- no survivors, Jiang Cheng stepped out from around the outside wall and took off a cloak he’d been wearing saying “who said there were no survivors?” Then explained he’d gathered the remaining disciples and people from their outlying clans to retake Lotus Pier and they could be the cowards too afraid to fight back till they couldn’t use the bathroom without permission, or wipe them out while they were still spread thin trying to build their supervisory offices everywhere and keep troops all over to quell unrest. So it was Lan, Jiang, and Nie against Jin who started looking shifty and hadn’t said much at all till then. When he saw everyone else finally united he explained about the supervisory office and how they’d hurried to build it because his was the largest clan after the Wens. And yes, he WAS playing both sides by keeping himself out of everything till a winner was obvious and he WAS using Jin Dimples to that end as well (Dimples DID go to Carp tower but only received orders from his father basically saying “do this and if you’re successful I’ll take you into the clan” but never met with him, Jin Dimples was doing the same thing anyway so…)

nancy metz

I don't remember any of this meeting.

Katie-Didn’t

It’s one of those scenes we discussed on the other thread where it’s been disappeared for reasons unknown. Censors, special editions, platforms, dunno. This could be an extra scene or one that was removed. I only know it was there the first time I saw it, and for the immediate repeat, still there when I watched again after watching the animation and chibis and going back (I’d never seen a c-drama that was much beyond “oh, that’s pretty” so I kinda went down the rabbit hole and I’m not ashamed, especially since I’m disabled and it’s VERY difficult to find entertainment that doesn’t involve watching or listening people in real life say or do the dumb things… like the neighbors dump out dirty water and rinse it with clean water… outside… where it’s on the dirt and it rains… On the internet isn’t the same) It’s the same episode or the one right before Wangji does the dramatic walk upstairs to terrify Wen soldiers and ask where Wei Ying is while Jiang Cheng is busy getting everyone’s swords back.

Katie-Didn’t

There was also a random TINY bit of scene that I really could have easily missed if I was trying to adjust my position and my phone screen kept going back and forth between normal and full screen when it tilted or something- but it was when the Wens abducted Wei Ying? This is in the live AND animated versions but NOT in the novels (though I do prefer the odds and ends collection of Wei Ying memorabilia Wangji straight up steals and completely denies or pretends he can’t hear anything being said when accusations or observations about whatever it is he has and what mysteriously went missing while he was behind/beside/around Wei Ying not looking or unconscious to find it gone when he looked back/woke up (Lan Zhan’s money pouch and the sachet Wei Ying got from Mianmian full of herbs as a “thank you” for saving her in the cave- Wei Ying had been trying to get one from her for possible useful herbs for Lan Zhan the whole cave trip, finally does, they used the medical herbs and he tucked the pouch away for Yanli, woke up and it was gone so he assumed it fell out in the lake somewhere, but it was a jealousy snatch!) I also prefer his actions with the collection in the TV versions instead of the novels which is why it didn’t need to BE mentioned in the Novels, he didn’t steal it). There’s either 3 or 4 VERY short clips I can’t recall seeing in the uncut reaction screenings that have to do with Wei Ying’s chain (he just got it back in ep30, repaired, Yanli lied for Jiang Cheng again except Wei Ying knew exactly where and how it was lost so he knew who fixed it and never returned it) supposed to be worn on… don’t think there’s an English name for the area… around where the ab/hip muscles can form a crease in the front on some men working out? Not quite hanging OVER the leg, or OVER Athe in-seam area, but in-between to help hold the edge of the robes closed as well as decoratively show several pieces of information like a badge. The people you see wearing them are showing some kind of achievements, status with each piece of the chain- commonly a bell, a piece of carved jade, a bundle of colored (the color either to match the clan or symbolic of whatever extraordinary trait was displayed during the type of deed accomplished like blue for extraordinary calm under extreme duress or red for extraordinary courage during nearly certain death etc) silk threads knotted then becoming a tassel at the end or made into complex knot bound off to resemble a flower as part of the chain, a carving (painted or not), which could be items of personal or clan importance (not sentimental), any recognized achievement, and/or symbol of position within the clan (and if they’re smart they’ll try to get or make spiritual tools for an emergency situation since they’re hiding in plain sight and ignored once the “that’s new” wears off”). You generally see them on 3-5 people per clan due to those with the highest status being taken on hunts till they’ve achieved a worthy accomplishment. Leader, heir, head disciple and possibly a teacher and a bodyguard or assistant depending on how the clan is run. Anyway - the first scene is when Wei Ying is caught by the Wens after sending Jiang Cheng off for the golden core. When they’re dragging him (literally) away, they’re going uphill to get a height start for riding their swords and pass near where the fork he’d taken with Jiang Cheng when the chain falls off in the middle of the tiny dirt path. Either it gets stepped on and pushed into the soft dirt by one of the people surrounding him or that’s the extra scene I’m not sure about; I THINK the next scene with it is Jiang Cheng going to meet him in town and stepping on it in his rush and that’s the foot pushing the silver ball into the ground I’m recalling. Next scene is Lan Zhan coming through the area bringing people from random clans to safety, being super careful looking and listening for anything out of place and seeing it pressed into the ground. When he pulls it out and realizes who it belongs to you can see the conflict on his face as it was smushed into the ground like it had been walked on, but it wasn’t dirty and no leaves or debris on top so it was recent and NOT something Wei Ying would leave behind, especially with “wanted” posters everywhere for him and Jiang Cheng and he could take them to safety. He REALLY wants to find him, but he’s already got a group depending on him, some injured, some older etc. and he can’t give directions in case any are spies or they’re caught and tortured (ties into the war meeting meeting that seems to be missing as well, he’d was already upset about Gusu, but finding out about Lotus Pier turned grief into “I’m building an army out of survivors and pissed off people). The last scene is when Wangji sees Jiang Cheng and Yanli both present before they see each other at Unclean and Realm (Nie territory), he asks Jiang Cheng about any sign of Wei Ying and typical Jiang Cheng essentially says “No, if so would I still be carrying 2 swords like a dumbass?” and Wangji hands over the chain like it’s THE Shroud of Turin or something, Jiang Cheng’s hands start shaking trying to take it out of his at first looking like that’s all that could be retrieved of his body, then turning to his usual rage but Wangji interrupts right then to tell him when and where he found it and since he’d been traveling all over escorting survivors he thought he was more likely to hear word or possibly come across him to return it since Jiang Cheng had been busy recruiting and with his new position and responsibilities as was correct, but since the time had come for him to reunite with family and he (Wangji) was now no more likely than anyone else to hear of his whereabouts it was time to return it. Then Jiang Cheng reunited with Yanli and when she asked about A’Xian he looked at it in his hand then squeezed but didn’t show her. So seeing it returned and improved in ep30 with those scenes missing is starting to drive me a lil nuts. When I first noticed the missing scenes none of them were a big deal, like these, but I forget all the symbolism and callbacks and details put into everything. I REALLY want to know where they went and I’ve tried to find out but all I’ve seen is criticism for the “special edition anniversary re-release” and nothing says if they’re optional, if they’re just what’s being played everywhere now, and if so the dates don’t match from the last 2x I rewatch it because they were still the same. Part of my brain WILL be stuck on this until I know the answer and it’s irritating 😠 being an involuntary multi-tasker rather than a normal person switching tasks quickly is NOT okay. Gonna go listen to my playlist while reading and braiding leather strips and string bits together to make them useful to try to overload 😭