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Pratiksha Majee

Guess who the kid is!! Won't say anything..you are good at deducing stuff..so guess

Katie-Didn’t

Wangji SO jelly and sad he’s not Wuxian’s hero and Wuxian is THEIR hero…

Nina Wu

the orthodox path to power is cultivating a golden core, but there are “””unorthodox””” methods too, like the ghost cultivation Wei Wuxian created, which doesn’t require a golden core (and is what gives Wen Ning his strength).

Katie-Didn’t

24:20 for the purpose of the show think of Stygian energy as death energy or the opposite of spiritual energy. If cultivating spiritual energy is yang then Stygian energy is the yin side which is why they’ve only been able to do so much about certain problems and trap them in areas like the Burial Mounds- they don’t know how to use death energy without killing themselves pretty quickly or turning evil/insane so the other side of the equation hasn’t been balanced for a long time. Obviously death isn’t evil, it’s part of nature and what happens when life ends. But since no one really WANTS to die and the idea of USING death energy scares people and makes them THINK about dying it gets the “evil” label. Although I think if you’re going to steal energy to use it’s probably less evil to steal death energy than life energy. Especially if you’re not going to let anyone balance it. Just saying…

Pratiksha Majee

Wuxian is high functioning alcoholic..how has his liver not gone bad yet!!

Pratiksha Majee

Courtesy name is Jin Rulan but he is normally called Jin Ling,.

Katie-Didn’t

Lotus roots and pork ribs (bones removed directly from meat)

avaseofpeonies

The golden core isn't your soul, it's qi storage. There's a system of energy reservoirs in the body, similar to chakras if you're familiar with that concept, and everyone has qi circulating through that system. What cultivators are doing is gathering more and more qi into their bodies through mindfulness practices (meditation, martial arts, music, etc.) and when they've gathered enough qi they can sort of compress it into a basically self-perpetuating qi engine in the dantian reservoir (located a bit below and behind the navel.) That's the golden core. Without the ability to refine a golden core, you still have some qi, but you can't store enough of it to pull off these amazing cultivator feats. Wen Ning is basically in the same condition as WWX now - no golden core, no qi storage, but able to store and channel resentful energy instead.

Katie-Didn’t

1:05:00 what you just pointed out is the parallel drawn in the novels between this story and The Legend of Hou Yi (the divine archer) and the Ten Suns who was the hero WHEN he saved the world and villainized after the fact.

Nina Wu

yeah, Wei Wuxian dies at 22 yo

Mel~

HAHA It's not tofu, it's lotus roots<3

avaseofpeonies

Another instance of not translating honorifics: A-Yuan is calling Wangji the "rich big brother" (and also calling WWX "big brother Xian."

Katie-Didn’t

1:23:50 Key point of him being able to grow lotus here- the lotus represents purity and rebirth cycle: it grows out of the mud but stays clean for purity of mind & spirit. It goes back to murky water at night then comes out and blooms in the morning symbolizing the cycle of life, death, and resurrection. Basic representation of who we know Wuxian is and what we know is going to happen.

Nina Wu

I don’t think I’ll ever be able to feel empathy for Mengyao. Yes, he suffered injustice, just like all the countless “bastards” the old man Jin left in the world, but he also experienced kindness in the Nie clan, he met people who were willing to treat him well and with respect (Old Nie Bro and Older Lan Bro), and yet he chose to throw all of that away because of his thirst for power. He doesn’t even have the courage to use his own hands to do what he wants, dragging thousands of innocent people down with him, he’s despicable…

Nina Wu

and I did miss your final analysis, don’t get me wrong, I loved the pauses with your commentary, it could’ve been a four-hour video and I’d still watch the whole thing, but I think you really excel at analysis, and that’s what sets you apart from other reactors. That’s just how I felt though, keep doing what works best for you, I’ll be watching all the way to the last episode

Katie-Didn’t

I like to use the phrase “suicide by Wuxian” for the COMPLETE idiots that just can’t control their urges to attack him directly or through loved ones. I think that might be the phrase you’re looking for with some of the causes of death you’re going through. Just less specific and more like “suicide by train/Wuxian”. Not a spoiler since you DID see the first scene in the first episode with all the fighting so people ARE killing each other and he’s there, involved, before pulling a Black Swan.

Katie-Didn’t

1:46:00-1:47:30The problem you’re referring to is Dimples and Peacock have the EXACT same birthday so “heir” is in question the MOMENT dimples became a Jin. AND daddy Jin has been giving Dimples all the secret dirty work so there’s actual proof and witnesses he COULD use against the clan as a whole if he plays the long game. But he was never going to get the power he wanted unless he agreed to make him a Jin so it was his greed for power against the POSSIBLE risk of Dimples being able to pull of a coup with his background before he actually knew Dimples’ capabilities, his fully eidetic memory, and VERY fast learning skills (see once can do after trying once or twice for most things). The issue between Dimples and Peacock is if you look at the situation objectively and leave out gut feelings, suspicious behavior, things we’ve seen that are VERY out of place and MORE than suspicious, let’s say Jin daddy dies and he has both sons the exact same age with the same birthday. Which is objectively more qualified and will be best at the job of Jin Clan Leader, the largest of the 4 remaining clans? … … … Yeah. It’s NOT the legitimate heir whether he’s the RIGHT man for the job or not. Dimples KNOWS he’d be better at it because he’s not anywhere NEAR as dumb as Peacock (who IS rather average to slow in the brainz… I mean JinLing got it from somewhere poor brat) while Dimples is more up there with Wangji even if ONLY due to his eidetic memory: never forgetting a single detail of anything he’s seen, heard, smelled, tested, and where it was how long ago with everyone who might have been present. So meeting someone once for a 3 day event at the Jin clan means after he’s spoken to them about their preferences for food, arrangements for their room and entertainment, any company or plans, he’ll remember who they are and their likes/dislikes forever. Peacock meeting someone for a 3 day event at the Jin clan means they exchanged greetings and if they were important, or seemed important, he’d make the effort to remember their name and listen politely while making appropriate noises if they started talking to him. I have no doubt he’d step up his game and, if his pride would allow it, Yanli would be a HUGE help since she knows the game, rules, most of the players, and has experience of her own she could advise him with so he could look thoughtful or imposing instead of like he doesn’t understand or is ignoring everyone when he’s thinking about what he’s going to say to cover for his deficiency in language skills, where Dimples also happens to excel. Even though a straight competition between them would be difficult for Peacock to win. But unless there was an immense crisis causing an immediate competent person to step in, there really wouldn’t be any questioning whether Peacock would take over; especially with his marriage and son so it normally wouldn’t matter who’s better suited.

Nina Wu

Lastly, these two episodes feel light on the surface but they hit extremely hard because they show the sorrow of Wei Wuxian. I don’t remember your exact words, but you mentioned earlier how his journey isn’t that of a typical hero, he makes his big heroic act saving the Wen remnants, but he loses so much because of it. He loses his sister, his brother, Lotus Pier, Lan Wangji, even his newborn nephew… I cry along with him in the cave scene when he’s remembering everything he’s lost 😭 And he also shows regret, I find that so human and so rare for a protagonist. When he asks Wangji if anyone could have given him a better solution and is met with silence… it’s devastating. I do think he did the right thing, I think he was the only sane and uncorrupted person in that situation with the Wen remnants, but oh boy… he paid a heavy price for it 🥲

Katie-Didn’t

Talented higher level cultivators heal quickly and he still has the body and constitution created by his cultivation so it’s WAY better than a normal person but not advisable to continue?

Katie-Didn’t

THAT! Qi is the energy present, to some extent, in everything alive (spirits have no qi, it requires something solid to circulate through). Sometimes it’s considered part of the soul, but with a firm dividing line for “this part reincarnates and this part is the sum of ‘you’ in this life” but I BELIEVE it’s just the same word in a different context. The qi that is cultivated is, essentially, stealing life excess energy where it’s abundant whereas the “deviant” methods do NOT steal life energy and can use a variety of different sources. It doesn’t exactly seem like the normal method should be calling the others “deviant “, does it?

Cato

Now I’m picturing Voldemort at a wedding haha

Katie-Didn’t

Wei Ying was nice to him when they first met too. Clapping him on the shoulder, thanking him, waving off formalities and such. I read Dimples as someone largely logical rather than emotional and unless their background/bloodline is better than his AND they’re kind, he seems to see kind treatment as the way it should be anyway (unless they’re hypocritical or two-faced about it). It doesn’t seem to matter to him. At least that’s MY take. Don’t read the next part if you don’t want to find out Dimples opinion of someone that he will say later in the show. Part of the reason I read him that way is because even though he doesn’t care about Wei Ying’s kindness towards him despite very little interaction, he gets very mad about Jiang Cheng’s treatment of Wei Ying based on how they grew up together and how easily he kicked him to the curb with just a few rumors to prick his pride and one or two conversations to put a little pressure on him they didn’t even have the right to exert and how he’d REALLY thought he’d have been at least a little more loyal; taken longer with more wavering before he cracked but given his expectations for the ones born into privilege he knew he’d protect his reputation over staying loyal to Wei Ying, the son of a servant, even though it was the worst choice possible.

Katie-Didn’t

Didn’t he start out calling Wuxian daddy and downgrade to big brother after meeting Lan Zhan? I think they cut the scene where he called them “mommy and daddy” at the tavern after calling Lan Zhan “daddy” and Wuxian saying “that’s what you call me! Who am I supposed to be if he’s your daddy now?” I’m not sure what platform this is or if these are the special edition episodes or what’s going on, but I’ve noticed a lot of scenes missing and episodes ending in different places since the last time I saw it.

Sakura

yes there is a scene missing where Wei Ying basically says that Lan Zhan is the dad because he provides and he is the mum. That's weird, it's the first time I watch the Netflix version maybe they cut some scenes? Edit: I'm dumbfounded, I verified and in all versions online it's the same (?) but I was also pretty sure it was there...will try to see if my bluray are the same. Edit 2: Found the version we know https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8o5y4j

Leaf

They're out there calling Wen Ning the Ghost General meanwhile the guy's just cooking and carrying Wei Wuxian's shopping

Katie-Didn’t

Yup. He’s rallying the ghost turnips. Didn’t you watch the chibi animated season? Basically this and the last episode was why I was dying inside and laughing till I cried every time the words “dark lord” were spoken. I just kept thinking “turnips and radishes!, No! Potatoes! Go! Sell these! Ugh… Wen Niiiiing” and the dine and dash will Yuan and Lan Zhan and all Wey Ying’s Stans… I’m just like, yeah… he went full Darth Vader 🤣🤣🤣 but I didn’t give spoilers!

Sakura

I was starting to think it was a new Mandela effect XD

Sakura

Tbh, I always thought that during the Burial Mounds arc, Wen Qing and Wen Ning both had a crush on Wei Ying (Wen Ning’s having a crush for a very long time but he never considered himself worthy and he also saw the relationship between Lan Zhan and Wei Ying). But the ship Yanli/Qing also works, it's a new perspective XD

Sakura

Courtesy names are for everyone except family (if they want) and very, very close friends. Jin Ling is an exception at this point, I would say because we only heard from Jiang Cheng, Wei Ying and himself about his name. Jin Ling doesn't seem to use his courtesy name because it was given by Wei Ying (in his eyes, the murderer of his parents). The other characters call him Young Master Jin if I remember correctly.

avaseofpeonies

Nope, you're thinking of the MDZS Q animation, which squished dialogue from the tavern scene (A-Yuan crying 'Daddy' and WWX's "the one with the milk is mom and the one with the money is dad) and the scene when LWJ leaves the Burial Mounds and WWX takes offense at the 'rich gege' and there's a back and forth about what A-Yuan calls WWX. But none of that was ever in the Untamed. Nothing has been cut.

Sakura

no it was in it, at least for the scene about mom and dad, just the translation was changed, check my dailymotion link (my bluray has also that translation about the mom providing the milk)

avaseofpeonies

Oh yep you're right, the subtitle in inaccurate on Netflix. Sorry, I thought y'all meant scenes were deleted. But it's still not A-Yuan calling them mommy and daddy. That's just WWX making that milk/money comment.

luvbunnies

you were right about wangji being punished in the snow and basically the rule that he broke was going to meet WWX. Wangji told wei wuxian that he was in yiling for a night hunt but in reality he was using the night hunt as an excuse to look for wei wuxian. And I love how you notice the importance of the subtle expressions of wangji (actor wang yibo) because the actor does such a good job at portraying his feelings through expressions. i also love this family of 3 and the fact that wangji was finally smiling after all this time just by seeing wei wuxian happy with yuan. wangji has only smiled or cried for wei wuxian which shows how much he loves him.

Jade Kichenapanaidou

I remember a lot of people said that Wang Yibo's acting was too plain but I always thought he portrayed Wangji's character so well actually, I'm glad you can see that. Both actors did an amazing job and now I'm literally addicted

Jade Kichenapanaidou

Interesting ship XD but I'm pretty sure that the look on Wen Qing's face was because she feels guilty towards Wuxian. Giving the fact that he's being seen as a monster because he is protecting the Wen clan. Same for back then, Yanli and Wuxian reminds her of WenNing and herself

Katie-Didn’t

No because I watched on Netflix the first couple times. Switched to “special edition” episodes or censoring had more fun with it? They took WoH off the air for over a year so I wouldn’t be surprised if they DID decide to take some scissors to it after this long, but I know the special edition shows aren’t “special”. They added in a few extra minutes on a couple episodes and cut a LOT of footage.

Katie-Didn’t

And see? It was ep 29 too. I’m not crazy. I’m a polymath so my memory storage works differently than a normal person (it’s technically in the neurodivergent category with autism and ADD because we often sound totally random due to thinking in free associations rather than A leads to B lines). Memories have a weird effect of categorizing themselves separately into sights and sounds and subjects etc. separately but still working separately, not one at a time, (people think it makes us smart cuz Einstein was a polymath, but he sucked at most things besides physics, including teaching it because he couldn’t explain it, it really just makes us eccentric insomniacs) so when a memory is triggered I may get all the visual OR audio or both. But because of subtitles, the visual memory played out without needing the audio and I knew it happened.

Katie-Didn’t

He DID punish himself, but that’s a little beside the point. He’s Wangji, he was punished.

Katie-Didn’t

If anything Yibo was just less violent in the “present” when he’s even more expressionless except in complete privacy. That’s on the director though.

Katie-Didn’t

Doesn’t EVERYONE that takes 10 minutes to actually talk to Wei Ying have a crush on him? Because the bulk, BY FAR, of Jiang Cheng’s eye rolls are when Wei Ying is paying attention to someone else when he’s literally standing right next to him or talking about Wangji… seems a lil jealous… AND Jiang Cheng got blacklisted from dating after 3 dates with different women because of his violence and pure vitriol like he was mad at them for not being who he wanted or something… And wasn’t Wei Ying ranked 3rd for looks and character among male cultivators in his generation right above Jiang Cheng and below Peacock and Wangji? The lower rank to Peacock because of his rumored but unfounded reputation as a ladies man when he’d never held hands or kissed anyone or even wanted to?

nancy metz

Glad to have you explain that. I had wondered why no one used Jin Ling's courtesy name.

nancy metz

You have to take lot of The Untamed with a grain of salt. Some things don't have an explanation and the time references don't always match. As for the talismans on Wen Ning, from then on you see him wearing a string of beads.

Sakura

In the novel, I think the general reason is because he is very young (13-14 years old). There is a 13 years gap in the novel not 16.

Nico D. Dragon

Since YouTube reactions are getting unwatchable with edits you now have a new Patreon. Was planning on it anyway for the bookclub but only after you finished this, now it's just a few months early.

Nico D. Dragon

45:00 the question is is he being punished for breaking the rules or punishing himself for not breaking them enough (not staying with WWX). Because if you think about it nobody needs to know where he was. Sure there is probably a rule for lying by omission, but it's something that's very subjective in most cases. It's not like he is being asked directly, did you run across WWX on your night hunt, and broke any rules while at it?