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The Untamed Ep. 32 | Uncut Reaction (Patreon)

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Glenny Lennox

Always so happy for this notification!!

Leaf

This story really shows how dangerous mass opinion can be, like whatever Wei Wuxian does, he's in the wrong no matter if he actually did it or not or how justified it was

Leaf

Wei Wuxian this episode was like ' you all see me as a monster and there is no changing your views so I might as well be what you accuse me of'

Katie-Didn’t

Wuxian hit “fuck it”. Like I said before, everything he sacrificed for was negated and he literally has nothing left to live for.

Katie-Didn’t

48:00 nope, Jiang Cheng just straight up says Wuxian killed her. He hates that she died saving his life because jealous butthurt has to be better than Wuxian at everything and his sister died for the servant…

Katie-Didn’t

His “fall” is a product of the failure of the system leading to the path he had to take to protect innocent people and after his failure to protect them and already thinking he might be “losing control” (going insane and if he was he realized he wouldn’t necessarily know so he couldn’t say for sure he wasn’t) he decided to at least try to TALK to to clans and reason with them logically. Then dude shot him in the chest and it went downhill and he was so freaking out about the ghosts doing weird shit and the puppets randomly showing up while he was trying to get to Yanli he decided he must have lost control because he was too distracted to NOTICE the other flute even though he heard it. If there hadn’t been a failure of justice at several steps along the way, this would not have progressed to the end of the episode and could have been resolved at many points. But the system made to protect innocent people wasn’t doing it so… experimenting continued and produced results which explains why they didn’t ACTUALLY kill Wen Ning since he’s an example of what they want and probably want to use him.

Katie-Didn’t

The show pretty much has everything it CAN have between censorship and not being able to voice everything Wuxian is thinking. Like the cave scene is VERY different from Wuxian’s perspective in the Novel and he’s absolutely convinced that Wangji thinks he’s a piece of crap and means every word he says every time he says he’s useless, childish, whatever, and after his insults when he’s done with Wangji’s wounds and stuff he goes to the other side of the fire and curls up in a ball hating himself.

Sakura

Yes, in the case of the Jin clan leader, calling Wei Ying like that is a total disrespect, same for low-level cultivators. It’s just like spitting in his face when they don’t call him by his courtesy name.

avaseofpeonies

The drama does get through the full story, mostly by condensing some very long parts of the novel.

avaseofpeonies

Let's not spoil novel plot points like that. He said he wants to read it, so let's leave him the discovery.

Katie-Didn’t

A bit like speaking to him like a small child which I thought was disrespectful in a way that was the opposite of the tone he was going for but it’s still an insult.

Riri

The hypocrisy of these people in this episode and this part of the novel is so absurd, I can’t do anything but laugh. They do everything they accuse him of but somehow it’s wrong only when he does it. Spare me please and fuck off.

Mairead

lol at you missing wei ying getting shot by the arrow

luvbunnies

Wei wuxian completely lost it at this point and rightfully so. He's done all he could and he has no other option left, its do or die now. The thing I loved the most about this episode was that regardless of what wei wuxian was doing Lan wangji still protected him. He went against the other clans just to protect wei wuxian which shows that wangji in a way also said fuck the rules I NEED TO SAVE HIM somehow. At this point wei wuxian was wangji's only priority and I really really love that. edit: I agree that wei wuxian might see wangji as not on his side because he hasn't taken a specific stance but that's not honestly wangji's fault imo. Wangji does follow the rules yes but regardless of that he also has a responsibility towards his clan and his brother, he can't just leave like wuxian did. Also wangji does not exactly support the dark cultivation path that wuxian has chosen and that's completely valid so he can't fully support him that way either. He is trying tho, he spoke up for wuxian at times when others did not so he did try to help him but he couldn't 100% be with him and leave everything behind.

luvbunnies

the show did adapt the whole story minus some gay scenes lol but also they condensed the stuff ALOT so the show gives you all the major stuff whereas the novel has alot more details and the scenes are more expanded in a way

Jun Hinotori

Seeing how quickly WeiWuXian moved/walked and how he strangled a person by pulling them directly in is what Leader Wen did before he died. Also, keep in mind that when YanLi went to that place, she probably didn't know a fight had broken out; she was likely going to try to stop it. She would always find a way to support her little brother, even in these sad circumstances. Wei Wuxian generally didn't use his resentful energy to kill, only to shake people a little, hit them, knock them down, etc.

Katie-Didn’t

EDIT: The edit is long. No need to read if you don’t want to, it’s just pointing out what’s actually said and done by Lan Zhan and Wei Ying in the show to give a bit of perspective on how each character can be perceived by the other and by the audience the way they are. For anyone who’s as good at character analysis as THIS man, he’s already thought about it without thinking about it most likely. I HAVE to think about it for writing because it’s feeling the characters for me (I dont think about it but for dialogue I step into each character and AM them, their personality and feelings etc, if they react wrong then there’s something I don’t know yet OR they aren’t who I thought they were and it’s a quick re-do on what DOES work with everything else except that). 37 years of daily reading fantasy and sci-fi makes this fairly quick and easy for me as I started when I was 3. Movies are boring since I’ve usually gotten the ending by 20-30mins in. This is why I GREATLY appreciate complex characters. Not exactly a major plot point like it is in the show and I didn’t give details, I mentioned possibly a page? Two? And nothing that’s a revelation considering the personalities involved. No one who has great self-esteem wears that many “I’m doing fine, great even” masks. And it’s obviously never occurred to him that Lan Zhan would actually LIE so… insults taken. That’s actually why I chose that as an example, it’s typical of any movies or shows made from books where they can’t really express what the person’s POV it’s written from is thinking and feeling at all times (that was a fairly obvious speculation or conclusion if you thought about it, the location had just gone a very different direction in the show) so it loses a lot of meaning it might have had (Enders Game) AND cuts out a lot of pages. I DO realize that most people watching “The Untamed see the flashbacks as Wangji being a bit confused about his feelings towards the beginning, but then trying his absolute best to psychically communicate that and show him with the world’s tiniest changes in facial expressions while uncomfortably prolonging eye contact which… is an epic fail for anyone trying to let anyone know, especially when you’ve been repeatedly told by your love interest that “you don’t have to be so mean, I just don’t meet many people I actually respect and want to be friends” and every time you just say “no”and leave… like you do every time you happen to meet up with them, you just take off while they’re asleep or in a coma or whatever with ever once saying goodbye… but somehow viewers don’t see THAT, they see an oblivious Wei Ying not picking up any signs Lan Zhan’s putting up and I’m like “that’s because his signs mostly say “fuck off!” With an occasional “But not before I sing you a lullaby” or “not before I yell at you for getting hurt saving me from dying” because that sounds more like guilt that he should do or say SOMETHING nice or decent after all the mean than a sign of hidden feelings. When first I watched with no clue about anything to do with the story, I saw Wei Ying surrounded by people all the time and using the chaotic fun to substitute for having an actual friend because he seemed desperately lonely. Lan Zhan seemed like the polar end of the introvert spectrum at first because even though he was at his own clan and should have had people fawning all over him for advice and encouragement and, really, just kinda hoping to absorb his talent through proximity, you never saw anyone speak to him except once I think (and it was just a “how do you want this handled” chores thing and as soon as it was answered the guy walked as hurriedly as he could likely get away with according to rules. But when the ONLY person he spoke to willingly, his brother, mentioned it was past time he started making friends I realized he HAD to be an introvert or he’d have gone insane, but he didn’t even know if he liked talking to people or not and most likely had no idea how to have a normal conversation. That’s why there’s the stereotype that homeschoolers are weird: if you don’t socialize your kid with kids outside their own home, they won’t know how or what to talk about with people when they’re older because everyone in the little bubble knows enough about things talked about often that shorthand develops without anyone realizing it: words and sentences are cut off, certain terms used that may not be common, commonly used phrases, terms, words, and most especially social customs there’s no call for (such as “hi, how are you?” from someone who doesn’t care in the slightest but they asked so it’s answered and the homeschooled kid is the weird one… but it’s not something anyone would say at home so they wouldn’t know they’re SUPPOSED to say “fine” for whatever reason no one has ever been able to justify the eternal waste of time for pointlessness to me, but if there IS a point I’d love to know please!) are never heard inside the bubble they’re raised in so they’re going to be VERY quiet till they pick up what they need to, but whether or not they’re quiet they’ll definitely be awkward and friendless because when have they ever tried to make a friend, much less maintain a friendship before if their parent didn’t take them to play with other kids or put them in a music class or sports team or something? So what I saw during the flashbacks was a Wei Ying that SEEMED like someone who had all the friends he could want with more lining up, but not a single one that was a real friend who knew HIM or his hopes, dreams, didn’t care about what he could DO, but DID care how he felt rather pitifully making a fool out of himself, and not caring in the least, chasing down Lan Zhan every chance he could get JUST to get him to say something even if he had to annoy him into insulting him at least it was better that he spoke to him than ignoring him completely because he wanted to be friends with him THAT BADLY. Then there’s Lan Zhan who’s initially just enraged that anyone would disregard the rules (and his wishes) so freely, then looking a bit lonely when Wei Ying leaves Gusu so maybe not a polar extreme introvert and just realizing it and that maybe he actually enjoys being annoyed by Wei Ying since it really DID make the time fly by, but it didn’t matter enough for him to make any kind of effort or change other than being less stabby. Less. Didn’t stop. Stabby when provoked. Very very mean when spoken to if he deigns to reply to the poor guy practically begging just to be his friend!!! So if Wei Ying is oblivious to anything in the flashbacks I’d have to say it’s the nature of abuse seeing as what he deals with at Lotus Pier is SO much worse I kinda get why he doesn’t get very phased by Lan Zhan being a jerk and he has to actually change expressions WHILE being mean, or more mean than usual to get to him prior to the war. After the war Wei Ying has just been through ALL the bad things, like every bad thing you can go through minus maybe 2, MAYBE, we don’t even know because the author won’t say what happened in the burial mounds specifically because she said “Wei Ying had already suffered enough, explaining would be like trying to audition him for sainthood, have my readers cry through an entire book, and ultimately just feel like nothing would be too good for him in the end and nothing would be enough” or something along those lines, so basically it’s horrible bad torture things and all I was able to dredge up were odds and ends from interviews (like when he first falls in and the ghosts keep asking if he wants power, if he wants revenge etc. he learned they could do a LOT but they couldn’t possess him as long as he said no and meant it. Plus the part he told Jiang Cheng about finding the ancient cave with the ancient manuscripts he cultivated was mostly kinda true and the “kinda” might just be translation issues since he didn’t “cultivate” this power so much as learn it more and more and become accustomed to it and the dead. We saw the cave there but at the time it wasn’t cleared out. You saw him meditate and see himself in the tattered hanfu wrapped right over left as if he was dead and dressed for his funeral, sitting the exact same way in the cave as his tent and it was all mossy and dark in the background too. The cave mostly kept out the bad things out, MAY have made it more difficult to possess him without permission. The manuscripts were real but WERE a kind of demonic cultivation and looked about as old as the war causing the Burial Mounds was supposed to be so he’d guessed that the practitioner, the war, and the reason the cave was providing a BIT of shelter from the energy and ghosties was linked, wasn’t something he was going to try. After reading through everything and understanding the idea he had an alternative that worked more efficiently with very little risk if not being constantly used. Using something other than your body to store and channel the energy already cuts down the risk an unspeakable amount. It reduces all harm inflicted drastically and since spiritual harm is the most risky since it can randomly qi deviate and that’s not a problem for him at ALL, he just needs trial and error with how much power he can use how often to heal in between. He has to study the dead as well for it to work since he can’t just brute strength his way through. Learn to understand the dead and how they can understand the world. Like do they actually SEE with rotten eyes? And WHAT do they see? Etc. Logic avoids emotions and fear makes the dead stronger while weakening yourself in a self-sustaining cycle difficult to break which is why the dead generally try to scare you before fighting or possessing. He came up with almost all of the standardized terms and classifications for the dead instead of the guesswork you could see they’d been doing at the beginning and various names people used for the same thing. What I gathered from the author’s answers and the novels, animation, and show is that the Yin Tiger Talley wasn’t NECESSARY for him to do anything that didn’t require large amounts of energy at once or one if it’s 2 specific uses, but it DID give him total and absolute control over the spirits without any limits that he found on the number or strength, (for comparison Wangji could usually manage 1 no problem (not killing or suppressing, just trying to calm it down or question it), 3 separately he was REALLY concentrating and they weren’t stupid strong. The demonic cultivation Wen could control thousands, but only with a single command and control 2-3 to do what he wanted specifically) so it’s MAIN use for him was that after it’s first use, the dead just obeyed and he never considered that they wouldn’t because he COULD force them. Using it to have an instant army was rare because draining (plus the dead start bowing, kneeling, or running from you which is difficult to explain). Chinqing was his necessary tool. He could actually give basic instructions just by whistling a few notes, but if the dead can “speak” with music notes on the guqin during inquiry, then how is music not a language the living AND dead can speak? So “speaking clearly without misunderstanding” also works for him speaking to the dead and his instructions. The books he found may have had a method for turning them into commands but if that’s the case, I doubt they would have been so cooperative and eager seeming (who likes being ordered against their will?) or even if they were, I don’t think he would have ordered any of them to do something they didn’t want to given that he had so many to choose from he could fulfill a wish, get rid of their resentment, and have it done killing 3 birds with one stone. So it only takes him 3 months to do all that while starting half dead from injuries and without ready access to food or water. Imagine that, genius boy is lonely and pretends to fit in a lot while no one understands him and since there’s one him vs EVERYONE that doesn’t understand, of course he’s going to believe the problem is him. Especially with Madam Yu constantly telling him that he is, and happily whipping him or making him kneel in the ancestral hall to apologize in advance for the problems he is going to cause while doing so. Yes happily because at least Jiang Cheng came by his nasty traits honestly, he grew up to be a nastier version of his mommy. Meanwhile Wei Ying comes out of the Burial Mounds going “Well… if Lan Zhan hated me before… I used to do whatever I could to make him talk to me but now I gotta make sure he absolutely never wants to see my face. He might not like me but he hates mysteries and solves them too easily” essentially. So Wei Ying just decides to act like the message was received when he was left unconscious outside the cave when they hadn’t known if they’d even live and he just got dropped like a sack without a “fare thee well” for the last time before Lotus Pier was massacred, everyone blamed him BECAUSE of helping Lan Zhan giving him an extra reason to be like “I get it, I wanted to be friends and you didn’t so I was just annoying you. Buuuut, if I hadn’t jumped in to help back then, everyone being held hostage wouldn’t have been rescued and Lotus Pier would be doing JUST fine. I saved your life, got herbs for your wounds, even dressed them and carried you till fighting day came, wrote to you to see if you were alright when you weren’t there when I woke up, never heard from you and lost everything because I helped you out. I shoulda listened in the first place and left you alone like you told me to” but since he couldn’t actually SAY that it was kinda his inspiration for how he acted till Lan Zhan wouldn’t leave him alone and he was just as stuck then as he was in this episode: what could he POSSIBLY have said that they would have believed? He told stories that made catching a fish sound like slaying a dragon all the time, LOVED playing with kids and telling stories, never expected anyone to believe him about anything because at home no one did really anyway- he gave away credit for anything he’d done that was unusual (lies believed), said he could handle something and was laughed at regardless of what it was, Madam Yu would have called him a liar for swearing his name was Wei Ying. Why NOT have fun telling stories if no one believed him anyway? It seems like it came to bite him in the butt right then but no one would have believed ANYONE with that story. Wangji’s uncle would have been forced into retirement with dementia. Wangji MUST have suffered some kind of blow to the head or evil spell bewitching his memories. It REALLY wouldn’t have mattered, too much impossibility walking out of the Burial Mounds. If he’d tried to say he’d done it without any cultivation power too? Wangji never would have listened to a word that came out of his mouth again because that last bit would have tipped the assurance he was being made fun of and his dignity wouldn’t stand for it after FINALLY showing genuine care and being mocked THAT badly. However, walking talking giant wound of Wuxian that hasn’t had 2 seconds to scab since like, 2 weeks after getting home from the cave where he almost got eaten by a Dinosaur Turtle, then by the Shrieking Sword inside it, passed out, got infected and sick for the first time in actual YEARS, is now fending off everyone physically AND emotionally because he’s gonna have to break away from Jiang Cheng and clan at some point, likely after the war is over although he’d rather not have to keep fighting, whether he was planning to make HIM kick him out as a useless drunkard or something, just stay gone more often so it’s gradual and everything can be handled along when he “goes missing”, or was going to stage a fight and “not want to be a cultivator anymore, I quit!” Or whatever, he was never planning to allow him to find out about his golden core situation and although I always thought Wei Ying was giving him WAY too much credit, especially after he’d been missing, I did NOT believe he’d EVER put it together at that point because it would never occur to him that anyone would do something like that because he wouldn’t for ANYone, not even his parents come back to life. Not unless he was planning to die anyway. So he’s dealing with killing thousands of people for a while, then the war ends and everyone wants what they THINK makes it possible for him to “easily” kill thousands of people so he’s for rumors about him flying everywhere, exaggerated compliments too, can see where its going so it helps with breaking away but not disappearing or leaving the Jiang clan okay. He’s dealing with rescuing medical personnel, the elderly, and the civvies with the wrong name getting experimented on while killing 4 of their overseers who had also started trying to kill as many as possible to cover their butts and being accused of arrogance, evil, being undisciplined, and uncaring of his clan leader’s opinions for doing so, retreating with them back to his own personal 3 month torture mountain because it’s LITERALLY the only place he can take them or he DEFINITELY would have gone anywhere else, hunkers down for a couple years eating what they can find, radishes, and turnips (*pukes a bit*) I mean YUM! using himself as a Name Shield of Fear with the natural AND unnatural terrain protecting them and cutting himself off from everyone he’s ever known EXCEPT Wen Ning and Qing in the process. And the WHOLE FREAKING TIME! The WHOLE TIME this walking talking wound of Wuxian that only gets to START scabbing, START, veeery slowly due to location and general quality of life and happiness, once he’s settled in the Burial Mounds, Lan Zhan from the very first day he got out- “can you control it? You sure? What if (fill in blank). You should come back to Gusu with me. It harms the body, mind, and temperament, there’s never been an exception! Wei Ying! I’m right, you’re wrong, listen to me and do what I say because you never do and I’m always wrong or right, just right behind you! Wait.. came out wrong… You need to come to Gusu anyway!” 5 minutes later “Still under control? You sure?” Sooo you hear something often enough and you start believing it. He heard years of LZ not believing or trusting him and STILL kept himself clear minded and not lingering on any negative feelings long enough to give the spirits a way in. Once they got one though, it was like all they had to say were just lines outta Lan Zhan’s and Jiang Cheng’s mouths. He would have been better off not speaking than doing THAT to Wei Ying. But the idea that Wei Ying would POSSIBLY think Lan Zhan felt any affection for him? At the MOST he might have thought mutual respect as cultivators for a while, but as people… it’s not as if he’d talked to him, asked him questions about his life like he wanted to get to know him or ever done ANYTHING to indicate anything other than VERY apparent dislike and (seeming) want to arrest him as a demonic cultivator for imprisonment at Gusu.

Katie-Didn’t

He hasn’t actually lost it yet. He’s in the process at the end but (I don’t know if you read the novels) he’s still got something to do and he doesn’t lose it till he starts on that.

Michael Craig

Good use of music here: the fight music was 'The Rite of Spring' by Igor Stravinsky, for the ballet...where a virgin dances herself to death as a sacrifice to the Gods.

Michael Craig

"fucking dimpled piece of shit!" Well said!

nancy metz

The novel's timelines just all over the place. Even after reading it twice, I had a hard time following it.

MegaHenshin

super valid crashout to be honest. scenes of characters flying off the reins will never not be satisfying 😆

Paco Gum

You, sir, are very astute. You clocked that dimple dude from the get go!

Deenita Morton

The reason the flashback is so long because the rest is more wrapping everything up. Explaining bits we didn't know. It is the complete novel except for the extras. Anyone who knows the extras know they would NEVER have been made. Bit Risque.

nancy metz

Seeing Madam's corpse really hit Wuxian hard. (Sorry, my eyes are blurry and I can't tell if I spelled his name correctly or not.)

nancy metz

I love that description

Katie-Didn’t

Hence why I call him “dimples”. He is nameless except for the feature that comes out with his murder smile 🥺

Katie-Didn’t

Dimples are where the secrets are buried 😂

Katie-Didn’t

I actually asked about opinions of whether this is a valid crash or not but no one answered. Thanks for saying something! It’s almost like people are afraid to say “I’m okay with these killings” but really, I kinda am. Don’t show up to plot murder if you aren’t okay with being killed. Especially if you aren’t 100% sure the people in question deserve death.

Katie-Didn’t

Ohhhhh yeah it did. And now that it’s done I can finally say it! The last episode is proof these scenes have been altered!!! When Wen Ning and Qing turned themselves in and Wangji was at the top of the stairs at Carp Tower?? Wasn’t he SPECIFICALLY supposed to be re-writing the family rules, knelt for punishment for his unauthorized visit, went back, still just kinda did do it, composed more and didn’t do it, and if he WAS there, why was he missing from THE ENTIRE CLAN busy looking for Wei Ying??? Because he wasn’t there. He was sent home to Gusu and snuck out again. IN THE SHOW!!! He just showed up mid-battle to everyone’s surprise because he’d been sent back home.

Jun Hinotori

Please don't spoil the novel, don't share too much information, even if is common sense things...

nancy metz

I love your reactions. This is the 4th time I'm watching because I always miss things the first time or two, or three. 🙃

Nico D. Dragon

The ending of the Flashback reminds me of the Joker Quote : "All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy. That's how far the world is from where I am. Just one bad day." Because this end is WWX bad day. There are many things leading up to it and he is never flawless and it certainly builds up over time but in the end his bad day is just these two little moments that he didn't want and didn't want to contemplate.

Nico D. Dragon

WWX on the roof "you really shouldn't declare a war, when you just made an enemy of a one man army"

Nico D. Dragon

Honestly it was completely comedy gold, seeing you look away the exact moment he gets shot. And I honestly paused like 5 times hoping you would look up again before he shoots back.

Nico D. Dragon

One thing they indeed shortens from the Novels is this fight (in the Novels those are two separate one's. And the Fifth Novel are basically bonus stories, so they adapted the first four Novels, and also cut some scenes due to censoring, along with one long side story/flashback in the future that is severely shortened. They get through the whole basic story/plot though.

girl_writing_

I'm sure a lot of people have asked / mentioned this already, but PLEASE watch the music (like the official music with scenes edited and good subtitles on Youtube) of each character. It is such an incredible easter egg for the Untamed. And it really is amazing if you love analising characters and you love the music.