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Nina Wu

OMG YAAAY

L Pio

😍😍😍

nancy metz

Awesome that you did this reaction so quickly!

nancy metz

It kills me that Lan Zhan didn't/couldn't answer Wei Wuxian's question, "did you really believe me back then?" My heart is breaking along with Lan Zhan's; he seems to still be conflicted about that himself.

Nina Wu

Jiang Cheng stabbing the rock Wangji was standing on is almost as cruel as if he had stabbed Wuxian in the face. He put Wangji’s life at risk, and that forced Wuxian to let go of him, there’s no way Wuxian could bear losing one more person he loves (Wangji) because of him, even on the brink of death

Nina Wu

Wangji asks where Wei Wuxian has been for the past 16 years not to imply he was alive (because of the censorship around resurrection), but to find out whether he had been a wandering, tormented spirit in pain, I think he asked out of genuine concern 🥲

Cato

Thank you for putting these out so fast. I’m too greedy hehe

Sakura

If Wei Ying had not torn his arm from Lan Zhan’s grasp, they would both have died because of Jiang Cheng, this idiot stabbed the rock at the peak, and as a result, the stone dislodged, which would have caused the collapse of the place where Lan Zhan was. That is why Wei Ying had a frightened and shocked expression before he jerked his arm from Lan Zhan’s grasp. By sacrificing himself, he saved Lan Zhan’s life. Don’t get me wrong, yes, I think in the drama, in this split second, Jiang Cheng couldn't bring himself to kill Wei Ying and redirected his rage against the rock. He was overwhelmed by his emotions and didn’t think enough about the consequences of his actions (dislocating the rock). However I have a doubt that, in fact, he subconsciously tried to kill them both but who knows 😅

Sakura

Lan Zhan's hair when Wei Ying wakes up is a new level of intimacy. It's very inadequate to not be immaculately dressed in the Lan's clan unless you're intimate with the person you're with (lover). So his hair down is really chief kiss as a hint of their relationship. He usually has his hair tied higher up with a Gũan (headwear)

Sakura

Yes, exactly. Cultivating slows down the aging process and if you become an immortal, you won't age at all once you ascend in Heaven (same as Heaven official's blessings)

Sakura

思追 sīzhuī meaning: to recollect and long for. Si (思): Means longing, thinking of, or missing. Zhui (追): Means to chase, pursue, or recollect/look back. Essentially meaning "to miss (someone) but not be able to chase after them/bring them back"

avaseofpeonies

Argghhh you are so good at this I want to chew my laptop. Lan Sizhui --- Si pronounced like the si in 'sit', then Zhui is pronounced Jway

nancy metz

Spoiler deleted. Sorry I didn't recognize it as a spoiler.

Leaf

In the book I think Wei Ying is dead for 13 years? So yeah considering he was dead for 13 years, Lan Zhan and him have a 13 years age gap xD

Leaf

I agree, one of my gripes with the live action and anime is that the characters don't look all that different in the future, which is annoying, like trust your viewership to recognise slightly aged characters and it's more interesting for the story too to have them look older, especially the teen to adult transition.

A

Thanks for the reactions! I am really enjoying ur theorising so far! Dont know if you noticed but besides the scars on LWJs back, in the same scene the camera zooms in on a branding mark on the left side of LWJS chest.

luvbunnies

another wonderful reaction thank you. one thing I would like to mention is that in the past 16 years Lan wangji hasn't really become a rule breaker. But one thing that isn't clear unless you rewatch the show multiple times is why Jiang cheng said "Hanguang Jun truly lives up to his reputation of appearing where there is chaos" in episode 2. this is not really a spoiler but more of an observation, so basically over the past 16 years Lan wangji earned a reputation of appearing wherever there was conflict or someone needed help. This was mainly due to two reasons. One reason was that Lan wangji would help anyone who needed help regardless of their status or regardless of how small the problem was, he would help anyone and everyone equally. second and main reason is thought to be that wangji was using that as a way to maybe look for wei wuxian. yes wei wuxian was dead but there could always be the chance that he might appear or his soul might so he would always look in places where there may be chaos. its a bit confusing but basically just like JC was obessed with finding Wei wuxian as a hope that he might still be alive, wangji too had the same hope of maybe finding him. Thats why Jiang cheng made that remark in episode 2 because he was indirectly referring to wangji's contionous search for wuxian these past 16 years.

Mikomi

"Wuxian doesn't know how to restrain himself". Also the title of the series - Untamed 😀 But it's true, yeah

Mikomi

But they do look slightly different, it's just subtle, but definitely there. A bit of hairstyle and maybe makeup, I'm not sure, but they all look less innocent than before. It's especially clear in that scene of Wuxian remembering them running around. And also acting showing that growth. Especially Jiang Cheng, he definitely looks more mature than before.

Mikomi

Nah, Jiang Cheng definitely still loves Wei Ying despite everything, and all the grudge he alledgedly holds against him is actually more towards himself. That being said he sometimes acts before thinking, that's also true.

Leaf

I've noticed the hairstyles, like Lan Zhan's crown/hairpiece but they definitely could have done more, especially in the animated version. The makeup they did in the live action is way too subtle, they look the same and it's barely noticeable, which is the issue of casting the same actors to play teens and 30yo. The acting is perfect though, no note on that.

Sakura

Both emotions can be true at the same time. He may still love him, but be so angry that he wants to kill him. Hence what he did while Wei Ying was dead.

Katie-Didn’t

22:12 he wasn’t just dead, his soul and body were… we’ll go with “scattered”from from the backlash of destroying the half of the Tiger Aumulet you saw burst before he bounced around the other half to (in my opinion) demonstrate to Wangji what had been going on from the first time they’d asked about his “new tools” during the war and started gossiping since no words could or would change it OR Wangji’s mind if the trust wasn’t there. Yes, he DID lose control during the battle, even in the novels, but he’d already made backup plans over and over for everything that could go wrong where the Amulet was concerned (when Wangji went to the cave and kept asking what if you can’t control Wen Nin, or the Amulet or it’s taken and he snapped and said it can’t won’t happen and can’t; you could see Wangji obviously looking disappointed like he’d been shut down because of over-confidence but it was because Wei Ying had made sure he’d at LEAST make it useless even though it was so powerful that destroying half of it would kill him). However, even having lost control, he still ended up carrying out his plan of destroying the Tiger Tally, at least half, so unless both halves are joined it’s a hunk of metal and too many shards turned to dust to remake it. THAT was the only thing he stayed alive for after Yanli died, he needed a bit of time to gather the power and focus to DO it. After that he very much WANTED to die. He’d wanted to die before that but also didn’t want all those people he’d been living with and protecting for years to have died without anyone saying a word against it, maybe even POSSIBLY making them re-consider their actions in the future since he doesn’t know if they’re playing “follow the leader”, they all want a piece, or someone is pulling strings which is why this stuff is supposed to be investigated before running off to kill whoever you think is guilty. So he put Wangji in the position of being an invisible investigator if anything else happened after he died. Yes, Jiang Cheng WAS trying to kill him- by turning his sword after hitting the rock he was going to slice through the arm Wangji was holding, but the angle was wrong and he would have gotten Wangji’s hand too but the angle was wrong for him to see that (Wei Ying’s eyes darting back and forth between him, Wangji’s injured shoulder and body blocking his view, the sword etc. before screaming “no” and throwing Wangji’s hand off). Yes there’s regret because he feels betrayed, wants explanations, and wants to kill him himself to “avenge” Yanli and can’t even get closer without a dead body.

Katie-Didn’t

And a level of relief and relaxation he hasn’t had in OVER 16 years since he actually HAS been wearing funeral clothes since his death.

Katie-Didn’t

He won’t lie and he wasn’t sure.

Sakura

Sorry 😂 I responded to someone else. And true, he was so happy and determined to keep Wei Ying safe in his room.

Katie-Didn’t

Inside Lan Zhan’s head- I has the precious. The precious is never getting more than 5 minutes away again. Must learn that binding spell he made… can’t ask how he made it… crap… okay… just play and breathe… maybe can alter silence spell to paralyze if he tries to leave? Must consider carefully … 😒

Sakura

🤣🤣🤣

Katie-Didn’t

Can also want to keep him alive to torture whenever he’s angry instead of torturing and killing randos. I mean, his mom did.

Katie-Didn’t

“A dream is a wish your heart makes”. For some reason that quote always comes to mind for his name. Alternatively - “to long for/pursue past memories or the past”

Katie-Didn’t

I’m confused about Wuxian “needing a moral compass”. If anything I feel like he had less of one when he was just going with the clan flow… like killing over 8k Wens ON HIS OWN during the war… while they were all calling him awesome… and if he’d been left alone as an orphan he’d have probably been the most well-adjusted orphan ever. If he’d grown up with his parents it’s unlikely he’d have ever stayed anywhere for very long because he’s curious and loves seeing new things so being big issues like this aren’t likely something he’d get involved with unless the story was simple to figure out and he’d still be unlikely to kill anyone except in self-defense. Even as things stood with his character he never actually hurt anyone prior to the war with the Wen clan unless you count punching Peacock in the face for insulting his sister, which… I mean… LOTS of guys do that in general when someone LOOKS at their sister wrong, much less publicly insults her while engaged… I’d say it’s rather restrained honestly. So I don’t understand the meaning there. I DO understand the everyone has a psychological bottom line of distress and pain- past that point is a psychological break where “right and wrong” are meaningless concepts because everything is emotional pain on a raw nerve which only translates to “this is not okay make it stop”. A great deal of things keep all of us away from that line, and the LAST things keeping him away were being able to protect those people (which wasn’t enough to make him STAY living) and having Wen Qing and Ning both as friends and because Ning was also his responsibility as well as friend. He had a 3-legged stool to keep him propped up. Yanli was alive, but not someone he could spend time with so she was equally happiness and torment so she wasn’t really an anchor in his life anymore (it was her being merced in his face that made him murdery before finishing up with destroying the amulet). She CERTAINLY wasn’t giving him pointers on right and wrong or she wouldn’t have married into that family unless the guy changed his name and left it. Wen Qing was fairly a grey idiot herself considering she barely tolerated helping him out in the past, then threw herself on a sword without thinking twice about whether it really WAS the best thing for everyone. It’s not self-sacrifice if it’s not helping anyone, it’s just stupid and easy because living is harder than dying. So not sure what moral position she was helping with except getting everyone killed. It’s a bit like saying “he’s not following the established rules and they’re the ones making sure he does”. I’d agree with that. But you can have a million people saying something is right… and it still won’t necessarily be true AND will depend on circumstances. Cannibalism IS wrong assuming there’s other food available and no one is actually starving to death. Take away anything else that could possibly be food and let people starve… well, it becomes a lot less wrong doesn’t it? Murder is generally wrong, but murder to prevent lots of innocent people dying because of the people killed, wrong or numbers and quality of people? Kill one bad to save one good? Five good? At what point is it “right”? Most people are fine with just killing a bad person and not saving anyone. YET Wei Ying still didn’t kill anyone that didn’t attack first so… I’d argue that he doesn’t need a moral compass. Some people just don’t like the way his looks. The moral compass is supposed to be pretty. And simple. And easy. People LIKE pretty and easy. Not so much true and complicated and uglier than led to believe. It’s why no one likes hearing the truth about themselves either, or the real answers to questions like “does this make me look fat?” If you’re asking… probably does… do you want the answer or reassurance? If killing is always wrong why is it so common to say you want to or are going to kill someone? Obviously not THAT wrong, no one is gasping in horror. Deep down we all know that some people need to die and some people deserve to die (different things). Death is part of life and nature doesn’t care what it kills, it just happens along with hurricanes, earthquakes, floods, etc. Be smart and get out of the way or don’t. Anyone who complains about the perfectly avoidable consequences of their actions is just a victim of Darwinism. Systematically psychologically breaking down someone who CAN kill almost 10k people on their own during a war, then blaming them for actually breaking and killing SOME people is… the dumbest thing I’ve heard. He took himself out instead of letting the fiasco continue even believing he was responsible for all of it. In what world is this someone that needs help with a moral compass? Needs help understanding the “social” moral compass 100%. But did I completely misunderstand the statement or some other way it was meant?

Paco Gum

32:44 - Cultivators age more slowly I think!

eliviled

The thing about episode 32 and 33, I always end up crying like a little bitch. The sadness I feel at both Yanli's death as well as Wei Ying's.. ugh.

JennyRose

29:42 Wangji did it to himself, the scars and even the scar on his chest that exactly matches Wuxian’s (the one he got from the hot poker in the cave). It took Wangji 3 years to look for Wuxian because for three years he went a bit insane. He was so utterly tormented due to losing Wuxian he was inconsolable with grief and went a bit crazy. And cultivators don’t age the same way we do, they age a lot slower and can live for hundreds of years if they don’t gain immortality first.

nancy metz

Wei Wuxian destroyed the amulet, so unless someone has some yin iron to repair it, no one can use it. I like your comment about Wei Wuxian being dead for 16 years as a mercy for him to reset himself. I totally agree with you!

nancy metz

What vibe do rabbits and cats give you? I love cats, btw.