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lordj

DrunkJi = chaotic drunk

Glenny Lennox

In ancient China, when someone wanted to propose, they would offer them/their family a chicken, which is symbolic of “I can take care of them.” If they accepted it, it would mean accepting the engagement. So when LZ is offering WW the chickens, he’s basically drunkenly proposing to him. That’s why he’s saying, “they’re for you” and “are they good enough?” One of my favorite Easter eggs from the show

Pratiksha Majee

In chinese cultures, in some places they give chickens during marriage. Lan zhan giving two roosters, two male chickens to wei wuxian symbolises getting married or want to gt married something like that and two roosters since they are both men.

avaseofpeonies

To add to what others have said about the chickens, the dialogue is also very specific. The prospective groom would give the bride chickens and ask "Are they good?" or "Are they fat?" and if she responded "Yes, they're good" or "fat", that meant she'd accepted the proposal.

Leaf

It's funny because the kids associate the mom giving them a row to the Tiling Patriarch...does that mean Wei Wuxian was a strict mum? 😭😂

Leaf

Longest running situationship in history lmao

Leaf

In the novel people are scared of Wangji not only because he's so righteous but because he's very tall and broad shouldered, I think he's the third tallest character at 188cm with only Song Zichen and Nie Mingjue taller than him. (His brother is the same height as him so that's one of the reasons why they're called the Twin Jades) And Wei Wuxian used to be 6cm taller before he came back as Mo Xuanyu at 180cm.

Katie-Didn’t

I’m glad you explained that. I’d assumed it was some kind of courtship or dowry offer (dowry because of the novels with everything he kept hiding in his sleeve and pulling out as presents, plus any sort of livestock is generally considered good dowry for common station people in any culture at some point, and since Wei Ying is a homeless orphan without a clan again, and in the body of a failed cultivator, he’d fit the station of a commoner).

Katie-Didn’t

Ahhhh, chicken instead of a diamond ring! I can get onboard with that. Why isn’t that something we do everywhere? The men can prepare their best meal and present it? I’m much more likely to say yes with if they have a bucket of home cooked fried chicken than if they give me a metal ring with a mineral, crystal, or rock in it. Just saying….

Katie-Didn’t

She’s the scariest! She’s also gonna get all of them and whip their bottoms 😂. It’s an honestly funny AND sad scene to see the kids growing up seeing him that way and I hate him seeing it. Especially considering how much he loves kids.

Katie-Didn’t

He and Wei Ying WERE supposed to be taller than average (Jiang Cheng was jealous). Plus he’s intimidating with his blank face and not speaking. He lets his stature, presence, and reputation make other people decide how to feel… it’s normal to be nervous when some huge guy stares at you with NO expression and doesn’t really talk or try to make conversation of any kind.

Katie-Didn’t

I love how everything in the show is “the Yiling Patriarch’s fault” but in the reaction if anyone died “Jin Dimples probably did it” 😂 This is the BEST!!!

Katie-Didn’t

To be clear- Lan Zhan drinks a single cup, passes out for a little nap, THEN wakes up drunk. So one cup is TOO much and he gets immediately knocked out before he processes enough to actually be awake AND drunk. I call him a “babysitter drunk”, they’re fine as long as they have a good babysitter because they’re unpredictable and WILL cause a bit of trouble just because you don’t know where they’ll go, what they’ll say etc. but essentially harmless. And the eyes open is just how it is. My cousin actually sleeps with her eyes way more open and it freaks people out.

Katie-Didn’t

14:30 if you play an instrument then you know muscle memory is real and the only thing being drunk does is slow down response time. I can believe sword fighting is basically the same even if not necessarily on THAT level in real life. I can still play anything I know on the violin if I’m drunk (not as well as I’d demand of myself for a performance or anything, no flourish but no mistakes) as long as it’s not “flight of the bumblebee” fast just because I played for so many years and had a catalog of songs that were played over and over. Especially wedding music (btw Pachelbel’s “Canon in D” is the most boring thing to play EVER and overused) and a couple favorites I’d warm up with and ones for various tastes whenever someone was like “you play? Play something!”

Katie-Didn’t

With the poison he didn’t think it would be helpful to have them panic, plus he always treated injuries and stuff like badges of honor and told stories about his dire situations he made it through, without help of course, exaggerating exploits or downplaying them (like the stories he totally made up about what happened when he got sucked under the pond at cloud recesses and was missing with Lan Zhan, or about how cool it was to have his chest burned by the brand in the slaughter tortoise cave)

Katie-Didn’t

46:37 Don’t forget the shady crap he did to Mingue (Ming-yu-ay) because he was “undercover” in the Wen clan and all those people he invited inside and killed after the war was over where both Wei Ying and Lan Zhan saw the blood running out under the closed doors. Those people were killed AFTER Xichen, Mingue, Jin daddy, and dimples agreed that they shouldn’t kill civilians, elderly, non-cultivators, or children and imprison for questioning anyone who didn’t ACTUALLY participate in the war like the soldiers so they could be released if there wasn’t any proof they might be spies or people that would take revenge/cause trouble later like a plant with knowledge of fallback plans. After agreeing, everyone left except Jin dimples who was supposed to either send them to the dungeon or set them free- instead he killed like 20-35 bound prisoners all at once. That was all shown as well. I believe he claimed it was his father’s orders, except Jin daddy just looked and nodded so maybe and maybe not. Or it could have even just been his father’s orders but it was what he wanted too so he didn’t protest. When it comes to people who do REALLY horrible bad things there are different kinds of people who work in different ways. They aren’t always doing everything themselves but there are usually different types (some USE more than one of these methods, but ultimately they start as one of these types and it’s their preference) but they’re all bad though one is a bit more grey than black. There’s the “hands on evil” type that prefer to do the dirty work themselves, there’s the “manipulation evil” type who enjoy manipulating others to do evil things, usually by making them believe they’re justified or they wouldn’t be willing to do whatever it is, there’s the “accidentally evil” types that can’t exactly understand right from wrong or even necessarily be called “evil”, which can be due to mental illness, ignorance, being used without their knowledge (delivering poison while handing out meals) or simply having a line about what’s bad that’s been pushed a LOT further back than generally acceptable, and lastly there’s the “mastermind evil” where they come up with plans that can include false information, manipulation, AND using others who enjoy watching everything fall into place according to their plans as much as achieving their goals by arranging everything like Dominos, then tipping the first one and watching them all topple exactly right.

Katie-Didn’t

I also had some confusion over the roosters wondering if it might be due to the novels being inspired from the story about the “Divine Archer Hou Yi and the Ten Suns”(husband of the lunar diety which is obviously not a coincidence) who became something similar to a bodhisattva or Demi-god (depending on the story) who shot down the Suns. They were golden crows (colored red instead of black, often depicted as a 3-legged crow) and the children or grandchildren of the Jade Emperor who were supposed to take turns coming out to play but decided to all go out at once which was drying up and killing the world. The Jade Emperor couldn’t get them to listen and come back so had to order their removal by any means and Hou Yi volunteered to give up his immortality to go to the mortal plane and handle it. Even though he successfully saved the world by shooting down 9/10 after trying to talk them down and every alternative, he’d still also had to kill the Jade Emperor’s kids/grandkids. So he became the hero that saved the world, then a monstrous murderer for the same action over time in the eyes of others. though he spent the rest of his life killing monsters and helping those in need.

Louise 787

a lot of things will start happening from the next episode. a lot of revealations)

Izzy

What's the best way to make recommendations? I know that @Trolltek has said to use discord before, but none of the links work and there doesn't seem to be a specific place on here to do it. So do we just comment on posts?

luvbunnies

Drunk wangji is the best thing in this world. I love drunk wangji so so much and its even better in the books but even in the show they did it so wonderfully. As for Wei wuxian and the juniors we think of them as mama duck with her ducklings haha. Wuxian is seriously a great teacher and mentor and we see that alot through his interactions with the kids. As for that one lan kid that was fighting with Jin ling and giving wuxian the stank eye lol he is Lan Jingyi. I call him the wuxian of the lan clan because he acts just like wuxian did in his childhood. He is literally the only Lan who doesnt act like a lan lol because he's always bickering and judging people and being rebellious haha so he is a very funny character.

Rachel

I've always understood it's a Chinese tradition or old folklore about giving two chickens as a blessing for marriage and/or to show wealth from the husband/husbands family to the wife/wives family

girl_writing_

I love Wei Wuxian's interactions with the juniors sooo much! So glad also I subscribed to your patreon for this.

nancy metz

I love drunk Lan Zhan!!♥️♥️♥️

nancy metz

You're correct that Wuxian and Wangji aren't affected because their cultivation is stronger. The juniors haven't been cultivating all that long.

Katie-Didn’t

I wish there were as many scenes of drunken LZ as in the novels!!! It’s one thing to imagine it from reading the scenes, it’s another to SEE Yibo acting BEAUTIFULLY for the scenes!!! My biggest regret about what was left out of The Untamed vs the novels with the drunken LZ scenes was all the graffiti he carved into the stone walls that Wei Ying went to fix after he fell asleep and found Wen Ning trying to chisel/sand down the wall and was something like 1/3 done, then explaining to Wei Ying that he’d hidden like he was supposed to but he didn’t want the GIANT GRAFFITI WALL (with some “R rated” drawings and random drunken regrets and confessions that didn’t necessarily make sense without context and made Wei Ying think Lan Zhan just randomly carved amusing things or that maybe he’d met someone while he was dead) to affect Lan Zhan’s reputation, especially since he was helping Wei Ying and not reporting Wen Ning so he was trying to repay him for his kindness by making sure no one would find any wreckage or evidence of who caused it. That whole scene makes me laugh so hard and appreciate how kind and sweet Wen Ning is even after everything he’s been through. It DOES make me feel a bit sad for Wen Ning being unable to get past his “servant to Master Wei” mindset no matter how often he’s reminded by Wei Ying, but at the same time it wouldn’t be Wen Ning if he didn’t feel like his current life was given by Wei Ying so in return HE would definitely feel the need to repay him however he could with the life he was given because that’s just who he is. It shows how different he is from a puppet or regular fierce corpse, being himself in every way in daily life and even fighting defensively rather than offensively.

Katie-Didn’t

He really DOES give them lessons that are needed and useful rather than the standard “book learning and toss them into night hunts with plenty of experienced guards” to practice REAL fighting and being “brave” till they’re “manly men”. Him teaching them desensitization to the scary things, critical thinking skills, and general useful knowledge and understanding is WAY more useful. Unconventional, but still more useful than the standard method. And yes, it’s very “one goose in front, goslings follow and try to imitate while honking all the way, other goose in back/front depending on surroundings. Noise from goslings stops IMMEDIATELY on either goose honking or nipping the misbehaving offenders” with the way Wei Ying leads them around with Lan Zhan playing guard. I think it’s absolutely adorable how much crap they give each other.

Katie-Didn’t

Yeah, like I said it was only initially when I watched (I saw this before the animation or reading the novels) but then I thought about for like, 2 seconds and decided it had to be some kind of dowry or courtship offer. By the time I’d gotten to this point I’d already realized it HAD to be based on a book or legend or something so I’d checked online to confirm. I wasn’t looking for spoilers but I read a bit about the author and her intentions in writing the story, along with checking into the meanings of the main characters names while I was at it. I just left the tabs open for later information about the story after I finished watching the show (I already decided I’d be watching the animation and reading the novels as long as they didn’t make the ending dumb). But my first thought WAS about the suns and Divine Archer but I realized they were FAR from any interpretation of the correct bird so couldn’t really be stretched into that legend. Then I moved onto “oh yeah! Livestock generally worked as dowry in any culture and is usually part of the ‘I have all the chickens and cows so will you marry me?’ speech to the parents”.

Tori

Perfect. We should begin this immediately. I would have said yes to my husband regardless, but can you imagine the memories if you came home/ over and there was just an extravagant meal of fried chicken and all the fixings? We getting married tomorrow.