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nancy metz

A lot isn't explained or clarified in the show. Like what was supposed to be in the coffin. And why is SuShe still alive after 16 years when Zuxun seemed on the brink of death from the hundred holes curse? Is the caster not affected as severely? So many questions aren't answered.

KatyBeth

I always feel so sorry for Jiang Cheng in this ep. At the end of the day all he ever wanted was for him and his big brother to be the heroes of Yunmeng, him ruling with his bro at his side, as promised. And it all fell apart. not only by circumstance but also by choice on Wuxian's part. All that anger and resentment covering how hurt he was by being "abandoned" by his brother who chose others over him.

Jennifer Lennox

The Jin clan was the only one left intact after the Wen clan destroyed the others, so they were in a position to take over.

Mairead

yeah, and with Word of Honor bc the budget was even lower than this show, they had to basically fast track the end and skip a bunch bc they ran out of money lol

Becca Rose

Jiang Cheng is obligated to hate his brother in law, even without the extra bad stuff going on, he's been jealous of Wangji since the cloud recesses classes. I don't fully blame Jiang Cheng for things falling about but it's true things probably would have been way better if he sided with Wuxian. The Jin Clan was strong and rich, which is why people bowed down to them. But the Jiang Clan wasn't weak. They had Wuxian, the amulet, Jiang Cheng and his whip... And a reputation from the sunshot campaign and rebuilding the clan so quickly. Even not knowing about the core, I think the Jiang Clan could have seriously taken over and given peace to the land if Jiang Cheng had an ounce of leadership training and backbone when he was younger. (Which also means I blame his parents).

L Pio

What I really enjoy about this episode is that the weapons here are words (and our friend Jin Guangyao is the best at using them! I love his speech to Jiang Cheng about how he never showed anyone that he had a solid brotherly relationship with Wei Wuxian ~ because it's true...) We expect a huge battle but instead the whole episode turns into one massive airing of grievances 😂 it's unexpected! I actually like Jin Guangyao's overacting here, I think it suits the character. As for Lan Wangji, I think the novel does a better job of showing that the only things that matter to him are Wei Ying and protecting those who are weaker. (actually the novel repeats more than once that he always turns up whenever there's trouble, whether it's a major clan in need of help or just ordinary civilians, I think that help us to understand him more).

nancy metz

Can the others see the spirits? Sometimes it seems like they can, others they can't.

Leaf

I love how annoyed you are at them taking the confessions out of the Guangyao 😂

Leaf

Guangyao is so greedy, the man got one chance from Mingjue, then another chance from Xichen, and he wants another one on top of that? Mate

kookie4life

Yeah I agree. I think it's implied that Jin Guangshan didn't use many forces during the Sunshot Campaign and was always neutral until there was a clear winner. The other major clans were all rebuilding (Gusu Lan was burnt down and Yunmeng Jiang was taken over) and Lanling Jin was the only other major clan left. They just took advantage of the power vacuum. Also at that time Jin Guangyao wasn't in power yet as Jin Guangshan was still alive and still had Jin Zixuan as heir so most of the nobles trusted and followed them.

nancy metz

When JC is ranting at Wei Wuxian, did I see hurt along with the anger in his eyes?

nancy metz

I prefer your pausing instead of talking over their conversation

nancy metz

At the end of their discussion, I love the slow blinks Wuxian gives JC. That's saying "I love you" in cat language. Perfect! ❤️

nancy metz

As for Guangyao overreacting, don't forget he's insane and it's showing.

Cato

Jiang Cheng is my favourite character, he’s written so realistic.

Nico D. Dragon

When I first read the books and came to this point, I thought that maybe JC had actually a crush on WWX in the past. Because for me WWX always saw them as siblings (while still being aware of his position.) However for JC I think it was kinda more like having a best friend live with you (having his big sister as comparison). So when WWX made this promise, I think somewhere his emotions shifted, from friendship to more before they went into hate. I don't even know if he realized it himself (if he did it was after WWX death) and of course he won't tell because he can see where his WWX's heart lies and deep down he doesn't want to that for WWX. And WWX is to oblivious to realize that, and since the book is from his perspective we don't learn either. But I think he is never closer to revealing, then in this moment. And in a way WWX telling him not to apologize is him maybe seeing a bit. of those feelings and kind of acknowledgeing them without either having to spell out the truth, they both know could never be.