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jas

if u rewatch the first episode u can actually tell huaisang was the mastermind from the very beginning! the figure behind the curtain when the man is talking about Wei wuxian in the beginning has a fan, the same fan huaisang has.

Jenny W

I dont want to give any spoilers because you said you wanted to read the book, but I like the book ending so much better than the show ending. I guess they did this because of censorship again. Well they changed so much because of censorship I am not even surprised anymore by the end. But you should definitely read the book. It's so much different from the show even the story also you get more about the characters also and so many backstories and the show will make sense too. In the show they dint explain many things, but when you read the book you'll know. Also with jin Ling and the juniors there are extra scenes in the book and I love them. I highly recommend reading this book (not because of the show).

Mairead

lets goooooo

OliviaZ

So excited to watch last ep! Can’t wait for word of honour 🥰

Nina Wu

Thank you for being honest with us about how you felt! I actually expected the opposite because you’re such an analytical person. The first half of the show is more focused on action and fairly one-dimensional villains, while the second half, after the flashback, is much more about mind games and subtle details. So I thought you’d enjoy that part more and have a lot more to analyze. There were quite a few scenes where I was waiting for your reaction, but it never came… then again, that’s partly the show’s fault because it leaves so much hidden between the lines. Honestly, for myself, there were a lot of things I didn’t catch until I watched it a second time. NOW as for the novel, I won’t spoil anything either, but I don’t really agree with one of the comments below saying they changed a huge amount. I think it’s better not to go in expecting a completely different or much more dynamic story. Aside from one huge detail in this last episode that was changed from the novel, and honestly makes no sense at all, and, of course, the censorship of Wei Wuxian’s darker powers and the gay romance, I think the production team really did the best they could. Once again, thank you for this reaction series! This was actually the first time I’ve ever subscribed to someone’s Patreon because I had to watch the full-length videos, and I don’t regret it at all. It’s the end of a journey. Thank you, Trolltek!!!

lordj

Would you be reacting to the Character Songs? I think they are very good closure for this drama. I prefer the Nie siblings movie than the other one...

Rachel

If not for censorship, they would have been fucking on that rock. NOT crazy. Very very very book canon.

Rachel

I was angry, just like you, and stopped watching before the "Wei Ying" moment. I felt so traumatized by the show. It was weeks before I realized my rage had me miss a SLIGHtLY better ending. This weak ending is the worst part of the censorship. BC the show was gay as fuck for the most part.

Rachel

I have to agree. Even if you don't react to it, watch one of the live performances of the two actors singing the song. It's so impactful and they are both so talented.

Rachel

I really agree about the 2nd half. I think the first half is better overall. I think the last three episodes are so hard to get through. The final 3 eps follow the book, but there are more Wei Ying and Lan Zhan moments in the temple as well, so there's a better balance between the romance and the political plot. All in all, I love the show because I think there are solid messages around group think and how hard it can be to step out from the group. And Wei Ying is just such a great character.

Rachel

I think the book and Animation the 2nd half is better than the TV series bc you get even more Wei Ying flirting and sexual tension the present day. But that's not felt in the series.

KatyBeth

I love when Huaisang picks up Guanyao's hat and you see the blood get on his hands, such nice symbolism

Leaf

I think the drama suffers mainly from the lack of gay, because they removed half of the story which leaves the second half very plot heavy and less interesting. Also their decision to drag on that temple part on three episodes...why is it so slow 😂😭 it makes them all looks like they're just standing around 🧍🧍letting Guangyao do his evil shit

KatyBeth

The first time I watched this i was so angry about that ending until I heard that "Wei Ying" 😂

Leaf

Your face when Xichen was pushed back by Guangyao absolutely killed me 😭😂 mood

Leaf

No one reacted to Huaisang's reveal because by that point they were all convinced Guangyao is a liar and probably thought he was trying to get himself out of the situation one more time

kookie4life

I agree. I think that having Lan Wangji take over the Excellency position didn't make sense for his character. Like after Wei Wuxian's death he already said f*ck the clans and went to do his own thing so I really don't think after everything he'd choose the position over Wei Wuxian. Also his entire character after the flashback is him being by Wuxian's side and doing everything for him. I don't think he actually gets this position in the book so I think it might be censorship where they had to give a reason to seperate the two of them at the end of the show.

Sakura

That ending is the chinese ending due to censorship BUT in other countries like Japan, the ending was in the good order, you can watch it here (no english subtitles but you already know the scenes) https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1oi4y1G7fC/ And if you are interested by more details about the show I highly recommend for you to watch these: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnDWvN_i7IqkI3ld6EMB91uqSi0WFGjlc&si=sAMSVvO1RRcoZcGc (there are english subtitles available on all videos) but be aware it might contains some spoilers from the books. There are also a lot of behind the scene subbed in english on Youtube, you just need to search them, the unofficial ones are more interesting but it's more about the relation between the actors.

nvmind

Rewatching the show and suddenly noticing all the hints to Huaisang is SO satisfying

nvmind

I agree, of course The Untamed doesn't cover everything from the novel but overall I think it actually stays relatively loyal to it within censorship limits. (At least compared to Word of Honor, for example, where they made many changes from the novel that are just creative choices not directly related to censorship.) The MDZS novel is still 100% worth reading, obviously, and it clarifies a lot of aspects, but the story and characters are not DRASTICALLY different from The Untamed, and having that expectation would be misleading.

Tori

Well, with Lan Wangji coming back to him and being leader not really something that makes sense for his character, I have always interpreted it as, due to Xichen's state in the aftermath of everything with Guangyao, and the Lan clan being the clear victors in the conflict, Wangji might have been given the title by default or pressure. And where Wei Wuxian and Lan Wangji split up was him putting things in order and selecting someone else so he could leave and travel with Wei Wuxian. That might be cope on my part, but that's how my brain handles it. Lol

Samantha

I actually really like the movie Fatal Journey as a sort of prequel for Huaisang, it had more of him and his brother and their dynamic.

eliviled

I always cry at the scene where Wei Wuxian finds out that Sizhui is Yuan.

nancy metz

He is also the one who paid the innkeeper the gold. Same fan.

Tori

Thank you so so much for your reaction! Throughout the series, your insights, predictions, theories, and analysis have been a delight to listen to. I would love to join the book club and reread this series. The first time I read it, I devoured it, so I have been meaning to go back and have another slower pass.

nancy metz

I agree with you. With all the turmoil left, Lan Wangji had to take that position because the world still wasn't a safe place for Wei Wuxian. He had to make it safe. Plus who would be a better choice than Lan Wangji? I can only imagine that Lan Xichen would need to be in seclusion for quite a while to heal from this. He was so destroyed by the events. In another site I read comments that pointed out the change in Wei Wuxian's clothes showing that some time had passed. I can only wish that Lan Wangji and Wei Wuxian's being together could have been shown better. Thank you a hundred times for this reaction! I saw/understood so many more things with your input. Now to go watch it again! 😁

Jun Hinotori

The good thing for me is that I watched The Untamed before reading the books or watching the donghua. I feel like jumping around in time would have confused me even more. The final episodes helped clarify everything. Imagine killing Meng Yao before knowing he was behind so many things; XiChen's interrogation helped clear things up. Wei Ying would have remained a suspect, so I'm grateful for that. I hope you can read the novel later; it's very good. Thank you so much for your reaction for these 50 episodes.

DanielleRW

Hahahaha yup of course they would do it on that rock Thank you so much ! It was a fun ride !!

Deenita Morton

apparently, that was just an accident. The actor picked up the hat and it happened to have blood (fake) on it.

Deenita Morton

I believe they had two directors. The second director is not as good as the first and you can see it. Also. They had no idea whether anyone would watch it, the government was breathing down their neck with censorship, money was tight. They started showing it before the end episodes had been completed. The show was filmed from start to finish, that's why they had too much time at the end.

Dan

Thanks for sticking with it and I’m glad you enjoyed it overall!

Becca Rose

I was so busy watching other Xiao Zhan projects that I totally missed the notification for this! Loved that you were about the freak out about them parting ways. Cause like overprotective and possessive Wangji would let Wuxian go off on his own without a core, sword or Tiger Seal. As if. The 2nd half does have a different feel and is lacking, mainly because of censorship I think. Rewatching the Untamed, it's mostly before the time skip that I enjoy. I probably still like the 2nd half because I've read the books. *If you want to, which I do suggest because it's so funny, I think you should watch some behind the scenes stuff. That's a journey all on it's own.*

mase

this show definitely has its flaws (and tbh most of them are due to censorship or budget), so i get your criticisms and i certainly agree with some of them. but it still remains one of my absolute favorite BLs due to just how interesting the story and characters are overall, and how amazing the chemistry is between xiao zhan and wang yibo. it took me years to move on from this story and wei wuxian & lan zhan, but even now that i have they still occupy a special place in my heart. and i get to re-experience it all almost like the first time again whenever i watch along with reactors, so thank you for that! enjoyed your reaction and commentary very much!

assem

Are you planning to react to OSTs? They all are really good. If you listen with the lyrics you can catch a lot of things about the characters

Paco Gum

Basically Wangji became leader b/c it’s the best way to protect those he loves (Wei Ying) and be a force for justice. In the novel - you’ll like the ending better (they don’t really separate) - b/c “everyday means everyday”. IYKYK. 🤣

Izzy

Honestly, I think a lot of the plot holes, weird character choices, and lower quality story telling mostly all come back to homophobia. China wanted the profit from a very successful gay story, while desperately wanting everyone to just be "really good friends". It's a chronic problem in Chinese media, in my opinion 80% of the "Bromance" shows and movies they produce are just Straight-washed gay stories. There is a big difference between real friendship with truly platonic love and China's version where the characters are one step away from "getting a room". It's ridiculous, if the people that control Chinese media dislike being gay so much, they should stop making such gay content. I think the call is coming from inside the closet.

Mayra

I haven't really watched the anime version, is it censored as well? Or is it shounen ai?

Aisha

The ultimate doomed yaoi frl