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What would make you buy Zen 5 or ARL this year? (Die Shrink Telegrams) (Patreon)

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2024-06-27 00:10:23
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Tom & Dan can't help but feel like this week is a bit of a lull in the PC Hardware Space - like we are waiting to see how Zen 5 turns out... So, let's talk about it! We plan to discuss:

What's the biggest factor that would actually make you want to do a Zen 5 or Arrow Lake system this year?

Just in general what pricing, performance, and features are you looking to see confirmed?

Are their any "wild cards" or unannounced developments that haven't come to light yet that you could see swaying (or dissuading) you from being interested in Arrow Lake or Zen 5?

And of course general thoughts on Zen 5 and Arrow Lake are welcome as well! Write in below with your thoughts, and be sure to be as grammatically correct and concise as possible. You only have about an hour to submit! Sorry for the short notice, chaotic schedule this week!

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TechnoLadz

If I could get a R7 9700(X), 64GB DDR5 & a B650 Mobo for like £400 or so in a combo, then that would be enough for me to upgrade. But I only see that happening if Microcenter came to Europe 🤣

MelodicArmor

Honestly Zen 5 is where my buying decision is. Honestly the promised long life of AM5 and the better stability it so far has had are my primary reasons for my choice. Given my current circumstances and needs, I cannot even consider Intel. I primarily game and occasionally do audio and video work. Unless something does change or Intel comw our with a compelling feature, the. No for now.

TechnoLadz

The biggest wild card for me, is whether stores will have large clearance sales on B650 just to get B840, B850 & X870 in, or whether they'll just keep them at the prices they are currently. Motherboard and Memory prices are probably still the main thing stopping me from jumping to AM5. Even if it has come down quite a bit in the last few years.

Cleansweep

As someone who got a killer deal on a 7800X3D earlier this year, it would really take a great prosumer CPU to get me to jump to Zen 5. The problem is that a 8 core with 3D V-cache + a Zen 5c CCD CPU would probably be pretty expensive, so it'd take really great local LLM performance on the Zen 5c CCD to make it worthwhile, on top of general all around improvements in LM Studio and the various models.

AdanFS

Standard Zen3 seems to be good enough performance for me. I think a lot of people need a GPU upgrade before justifying leaving AM4. I like itx, so maybe if some killer z890 itx board comes out I would look at Arrow Lake. Otherwise my upgrade would be a 7800x3d (no real need for zen 5 at this point).

bigboss69

Greetings from Scotland! As someone who built with dead end Z390 and 9900K in 2019 and wanting to upgrade later this year, I am interested in the promise of drop in upgrades and socket lifespan. Socket 1700s multi release support was something I did not expect but think did wonders for intel. Ps intel high end not being a power hog would be great with the cost of power here being so high

Woody Chang

Hi Tom and Dan, I'm close to an upgrade though my 5950X/3090 combo continues to serve me well in work and play. To be honest, aside from getting PCIe 5.0 (of which very little can take advantage of at the moment), I would want to get AVX-512 to help with emulation. But then, I could go cheaper and get a B650 with Zen 4 and be able to get that capability. But if a Zen 5 with motherboard combo is more cost efficient that Zen 4, I would consider Zen 5 in that case. As for Arrow Lake, if it is dramatically more power efficient than Zen 5, I might consider changing back to Intel in a laptop.

Kinihun25

Hey Tom and Dan I think Zen 4 and Raptor Lake hit a level of performance that I think majority of people are happy with. Zen 4 and Raptor Lake pretty much can handle 240 - 360hz gaming. I think for people to truly get excited for an upgrade AMD and Intel need to add special features to their CPUs or drastically increase core count. Honestly what is the point of getting Zen 5 3D. To game in 1080p 600hz?

Benjamin Cannon

Intel would need to promise the platform longevity that AM4 has, then need to be a mix of 20-15% better for a maybe but 30%+ better for a without question. This is in performance, power, and cost with no driver issues. So: 15% better performance at same cost and power 15% lower power at same performance and price 5% better in all three Etc. It just need to be needs to be very clearly better and no “fine wine,” crap like ARC and Meteor Lake

B1ngB0ng3

Hello Tom and Dan, The only thing that would make me want to jump to Zen 5 would be the motherboards. I've felt like a lot of them especially in b650E didn't offer a lot of useful diagnostic features especially for how many memory issues there were at first. Unless you were shopping in the $300+ range, I found a lot of the boards to be fairly difficult to justify. Also, even in the high end I found a lot of the motherboards were lacking solid memory support, opting to go for the 4 dimms instead of 2.

Nick Racan

Hi Tom & Dan, As I recently got a 7800X3D for ~$200 as a part of a Microcenter bundle the only way I’ll upgrade is if the new X3D chips are a significant improvement while assuming to the price to performance makes sense. I suppose if I could sell my 7800X3D for around $150 and get a new 9800X3D for ~$400 or less I’d upgrade.

Nicholas Buckner

I am in the market for a new PC, as my old 3950X is getting old. I am not even considering Arrow Lake or Lunar Lake. AMD would have to f-up so bad a few times in a row with more than just pricing. That is how far in the rear view mirror Intel is, especially after the latest i7 and i9 stability issues they have yet to solve.

Frobozz

I think my next major upgrade on the CPU side will be driven by killer apps in localized AI. Until that happens or I am held back by 20% on a new GPU upgrade because of my 7900x, I’m staying put.

A Ikes

I am looking forward to a handheld that can actually play games at 1080p/60-90hz. unfortunately I just don't see Intel getting anywhere near the igpu performance and efficiency in the form factor compared to what AMD will be offering

Chris Rijk

(I know Strix Halo is expected early next year, but I'm not currently looking at getting a new desktop system) My current laptop is getting very old and is in rather dire need of replacing. One thought I have is to replace both my current laptop and desktop with a new high end laptop and Strix Halo certainly has me interested. It should be more than fast enough for the games I’m currently playing and also make for a nice developer system that’s reasonably light weight. My main concern is will OEMs take it seriously and also have some good options at reasonable prices?

Resident Mexican

As someone who wants to build my first ITX system, the main thing that would get me to upgrade is having good ITX motherboards at cheaper price points. ITX boards this gen have been so much more expensive than their ATX counterparts, especially if you want one with PCIE Gen 5 on it

FloridaMan

Definitely won't be buying Arrow Lake, even if performance were better than 9800X3D. I'm happy with my 5600X3D and I'm waiting for Zen 7. Overall cost to upgrade would need to be like $250, so it's not happening

prick

I'm not considering Intel out of the question for an upgrade because of its software features as a software developer, but I currently have a Ryzen 7900X and am currently enjoying the benefits of AVX512 and not sure whether Intel's advantages in profiling software or virtualization instructions will outweigh this fact, and all of that completely disregarding any performance and platform considerations for an upgrade.

Porcelain Oats

For Zan 5 I would be interested to see the efficiency of the chip and its GPU performance to be used in a home server. I like to test a lot of VMs and use a bunch of Docker containers and try to pass through GPUs for testing and home use. As for Intel, I'm just curious to see what Intel does with srrow lake like how they are going to market it, But it still might be really cool for the right price but it would have to be low.

nonews

Already planning on a Zen5 Linux dev system. What would make me NOT buy... 1) Zen4 system on sale for a MUCH better price and value proposition after Zen5 comes out. 2) a disastrous series of reviews on early Zen5. 3) A credible leak showing better value/efficiency for Arrow Lake (which would only make me delay until post arrow lake launch and reviews).

Kiln God

Looking for Zen 5 Halo for desktop ML compute.

Ivalenz

Hi Tom & Dan, I will most likely be purchasing a new AMD Zen 5 system, switching from decades of being on Intel. My 2-in-1 is a 12th gen i7 Intel system that has lagged behind my Core i7 6700k desktop (with Nvidia GPUs). I have had to place my 2-in-1 in my refrigerator to cool it down after it has throttled down due to overheating while watching Twitch and can no longer run it in performance mode. My only hesitation with AMD is that I rely on a Thunderbolt connection from my desktop to my NAS. I am hoping that Asus will once again offer an AMD motherboard with a header for an optional Thunderbolt card like the ROG Strix X670E-E Gaming WiFi motherboard. Given my workloads, I do not want to deal with hobbled CPU cores that require a proprietary thread director with limited application support.

10GHz Netburst

Given that I'm currently on a 7800X3D, I think it would take quite a lot to get me to upgrade, I don't think there is any reasonable performance level either Arrow Lake or Zen5 X3D could get me to upgrade if solely considering performance. I think what would get me to upgrade would be something like a much better platform (IO wise), since B650 is pretty barebones, and very good memory overclocking (along with good motherboards to enable that). That would get me to upgrade just for fun, Arrow Lake might offer that, but I'm unsure it'll justify the cost.

Prior is the theme 999

I have a 5800x3d, there really is no reason for me to upgrade cpus unless the pricing is a legit no brainer. Like if the zen 5 eight core comes with free ram and the cpu is 300-400$. Or if it turns out that AMD is sandbagging and the performance is better than stated.

Prior is the theme 999

Do you think the support in gaming and applications will be decent to stellar for arrow lakes no hyper threading?

UFUFUFU

Would've considered it if they had increased core counts per segment which, looks like its not gonna happen. My 5600X is handling the games that I play perfectly fine. Personally I'm waiting for 4k 240Hz OLED/QD-OLED prices to drop below 500$. That would give me a good reason to upgrade my system to take full advantage of it.

Schattenjäger

I know I'm late, but chiming in anyway. I'm on a 5800X, so I'm pretty much not upgrading so long as that doesn't become utterly insufficient for gaming in today's marketplace. Which will take a while, I know. I will most likely wind up skipping AM5 altogether, or maybe getting something at the end of its life span. (Like I did for this one.)

CypherCookie

‘On a 9900K at the moment and looking to upgrade to a 8800X3D, just the usual improvements for CPU, it’s more the motherboard changes I’m after such as PCI-E 5.0 as default on the Lowe rend motherboards. Overall just after stability & no bugs

Dark Helmet

Finally fixing the long boot times caused by memory training

AI Generated Fish

This year? Nothing. Microcenter got me last year with Zen 4 on sale with free ram, I ended up building an almost entirely new system (I only kept AIO and power supply). Zen 5 looks really interesting to me in laptop, but I've been waiting on Strix Halo for that. Zen 5 desktop is good but I don't think my 7700x is handicapping my 7900xt in games. In a way, AMD is kind of a victim of their own success. I feel like both the 7700x and 7900xt were too good a value to pass up at the time I bought them, I'm just not motivated to upgrade. Intel hasn't interested me since desktop Alder lake.

Unique_name

Hey just pointing out that my mid-range B650E board (ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming WIFI) has the option for Thunderbolt so it's not like you have to get a high end board to have it and the header is on a bunch of Asus motherboards so just pick the best one for you. You don't have to buy a more expensive X870/B850 (or whatever the next gen mid-range ones are called) just for a Zen 5 CPU when you could just get a good B650/E for less. I chose the F Gaming WIFI because Buildzoid did a great breakdown of it's components and stress tested it which showed it'll easily handle an overclocked 7950X no problem plus it has 12 USB ports on the back including 2 USB C ports. I have a Ryzen 7 7700X now but I can upgrade to a Zen 5/6 16 core without issue. Steve from Hardware Unboxed later did VRM testing with different boards and it's VRM performed better than some X670 boards.