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The State of Intel, AMD, and Nvidia with Gordon Ung of PCWorld - Telegrams for Guests (Patreon)

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2022-10-14 18:08:23
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Broken Silicon's next guest will be Gordon Ung, Executive Editor at PC World.  Gordon has been covering this space for over two decades with much flare, and I am very excited to talk to him about everything AMD, Nvidia, and Intel.  We plan to discuss:

How AMD, Nvidia, and Intel have evolved over the past 30 years

Nvidia RTX 4000 Series

AMD RDNA 3

Intel ARC

Intel Raptor Lake

AMD Zen 4

Threadripper 7000

Intel Fishhawk Falls

Upcoming Phoenix, RDNA 4, Blackwell, etc

Anything you guys ask us!!!

This is another one of those very open discussions taking a look at the past, future, and all recent or upcoming product releases from the usual subjects.  You have 48 hours (till 10/16 Sunday Morning) to submit Reader Mails below.  Be concise, use good grammar, and be thoughtful in your questions to be considered!

https://twitter.com/Gordonung

https://www.pcworld.com/author/gung

https://www.linkedin.com/in/gordon-ung-98b22bb/

Comments

Intel FanBoy

With the upcoming leaked layoffs coming to Intel do you think they will have the right talent to continue their ongoing projects?

dj5k

What do you think motivated Nvidia to unlaunch the 4080 12GB? Was it the negative sentiment among press that might have gotten through or do you think this might be a PR move to maybe move more 4080 16GB (higher ASP) or otherwise optimize their margins (e.g. reduce price pressure on Ampere stock)? Keep up the great work and thanks for enduring this tech avaLaunch for us !

KarbinCry

Is AMD screwed? Is Intel screwed? Is PCWorld screwed? We all (all=respective fanboy tribes) know answers to all three are 'yes', so please validate the irrational, stupid feelings & screeches of the respective fanboy/hateboy bases.

Kinihun25

Hey Tom and Gordon. I personally am excited for RDNA3 especially after the reviews of the 4090. With rumors of the 7900XT trading blows with the 4090 and maybe costing $1100. I want to build a new system around it with either a 13900k or 7950X. Is anyone else excited for this generation of graphics cards?

Brian Steiner

Hi Tom and Gordon I'm a big fan of Gordon's and would like to hear his thoughts on using a 7950x in a small form-factor case. (coupe rant, please) I'd also like both your takes on AIB 4090's not fitting in normal to large sized cases.

infinitevalence

PCIe Lanes continue to be the bottle neck for many professional or high end hobbyists. Do we have an updates on Threadripper 7000 (Storm Peak), possible release dates, pricing, features, availability?

infinitevalence

EEC is another high end feature that non gamers often want and tends to be hard to find in consumer or even high end consumer platforms. Will Intel be supporting 256gb and ECC on its next generation of consumer products? What of the rumours that AMD can "turn on" support for 256gb of RAM on Ryzen 7000/Zen 4?

Athena Azuraea

Ummm no. Not very excited. Sky-high prices and sky-high power draw. Combine that with Europe and you have a recipe for disaster.

Kinihun25

I understand, I live in the US and prices are consistent with MSRP

infinitevalence

With PCIe 5.0 and its crazy bandwidth do you think we will see Prosumer motherboards that echue PCIe 5.0 to the NVME and rather use PLX/Bridges to get more PCIe 4.0 lanes to slots?

Frobozz

Is nvidia using AI as a bridge for raw raster performance and ray tracing in DLSS3 or are fake frames at high frame rates here to stay? Will DLSS3 die off when raw performance replaces it? If so, is the die space allocated to AI features repurposed in some way?

CompressedAIBlocks

Hello Tom and Gordon, do you guys think this is AMD's time to take marketshare and mindshare? It seems like Nvidia has left them a big gap open with pricing and have a lot of backlash from gamers and media.

Ryan Lemieux

With the 4080's underwhelming raster performance uplift (15-24%) over the 3080 and the nearly 2X price increase (now that 12G is no longer a thing), it would seem RDNA 3 is in a position to obliterate the 80 class with the bar being set so low. Does it seem likely Nvidia will need to "super" refresh the 4080 to perform closer to the 4090 so they can retain today's absurd MSRP?

Gregory S Acker

Hello Tom and Gordon! Watching the performance of graphics cards over the last few years, do you notice/think that "basic" graphics rendering performance keeps getting weaker and weaker as newer generations are released? The silicon gets more advanced and faster, but it seems that basic rendering is not keeping up and manufacturers are turning to "tricks" to keep the frame-rates up ala FSR, DLSS, XESS and now phantom frame generation. What does this portend for the future? Are all games in the future going to be rendered at some low resolution, low-frame rate and then up-scaled or otherwise "massaged" to be something we want to actually see?

Roy Ackerman

Hi Tom and Gordon, I was surprised to read that nvidia actually listened and “unlaunched” the 4080 12GB. How do you thing that will effect the market and the RDNA3 positioning? How do you think the 7900XT will compare to the 4090 in raster and RT? Keep up the great work! Roy

Kinihun25

Hey Tom and Gordon how do you feel about Nvidia canceling the 4080 12gb. You think they will now just rebrand it as the 4070 for $700 or $650. What makes you think they will do this, maybe because they think the 7700XT will beat it at just $500-$600 which as you stated launch in February.

Xavbeat03

Hey Tom and Gordon, will there be a point where increasing display resolution doesn't make anymore sense? Have we already surpassed that point?

UwUThatOneGuy

Hi guys, what is Gordon's perspective on the whole "Intel ARC being effectively canceled" story. I remember you, Gordon, to have Usman on your podcast, interviewing him about that topic.  One quote from a source of Usman stood out to me, and it follows:  "As long there is a market for GPUs, we [Intel] will be selling GPUs." That follows along the vagueness of Intel's few public responses about the cancelation, like "We will continue to execute this strategy" on the keynote of Intel's already butchered "execution" of Alchemist. Now I'm very interested to hear your word Gordon, but me personally, I think Tom is wrong about Battlemage specifically, as I would even bet, that there will be at least one "mid to high-end discrete desktop GPU" in that lineup.  In any case, a diversion to mobile is the most shared opinion about the cancelation, and Intel's assurance to keep ARC's driver stack development at least lukewarm for the uncertain future of a complete dGPU cancelation.  But will you, Gordon, be betting on Intel's opportunism to continue Celestials development and plans for desktop launches, or will they drop Battlemage discrete the second the market fails to meet their interpretation of being worthy to deliver to? Will Intel hold their promises?

Samuel Park

Good afternoon or evening, What are your thoughts on the VR market as it stands today? I was very disappointed by the lackluster specs during the announcement of the Quest Pro. I have had my HP Reverb (original) for a couple years now and it is starting to die on me. There is nothing significant enough to upgrade to. The Valve Index is seriously overpriced for 3.5 year old hardware and has a relatively low resolution display by today's standards. I have heard rumors that Valve is working on a new headset but it is looking to be more in-line with the Quest 2 as a standalone headset. I have a 4090 and I want to have a 4k+ 120Hz display to really push my horsepower. Is high end PC VR dead?

Fions

Hey Tom and Gordon, I was looking into cheap, low-powered "internet browsing boxes" as mine is getting a bit long in the tooth (4-core atom CPU from 2015) and what I found was a ton of models with ancient 14nm Atoms, some Tremont and... no Gracemont at all? Instead, I found a "Celeron" that was a 2-core Alder Lake with a 35W TDP which seems needlessly wasteful. As I've understood, one Golden Cove core takes up the space of 4 Gracemont cores, and Gracemont has an IPC equivalent to Skylake, so the same silicon could have been essentially an 8-core, super low power Skylake CPU, which would be interesting in a lot of scenarios. Be it internet boxes, retro gaming computers, cheap handheld PCs, home servers, maybe even Raspberry Pi format SBCs, Intel seems to have a really interesting architecture at their hands, yet they only seem to use it to boost their big CPU's Cinebench numbers. Why? With AMD having no Atom-equivalent, and ARM lacking x86's software ecosystem, this seems like a market segment ripe for the picking. Are we ever getting a lineup of Gracemont-only CPUs, and what would that look like? Would a 16-core be realistic?

10GHz Netburst

Do you think the cancelling of the 4080 12GB can just be explained by nvidia wanting to lower the pricing of their lineup? Do you think the 4080 12GB could have been launched and teased in performance graphs entirely to test the waters at that price point?

Swiggles

Hey tom and, Gordon, as the 3080 12 gb is canceled so you think this is the first crack in the facade of Nvidia's "prestige"? With amd hot on their heels, an exhausted consumer base, and a recession staring at them. Do you think we can finally get just a shred of simpathy for us poors, or at least more consumer focused competition and future feature improvements as they begin to defend against these factors.

Minikoopa

Hi Tom and Gordon, Do you think GPU demand been artificially inflated since around 2012 when people first started mining BTC then moving on to ETH. Now ETH has moved to PoS there is literally no use for GPUs in mining anymore. It makes me thing that we will see a massive decline in demand for GPUs moving forward. Do you think prices of GPUs will slowly come down in price moving forward because of this or can you see some other tech/innovation around the corner utilising GPUs and propping up demand, AI maybe? All the best.

QuickJumper

Hey Tom and Gordon. I've got two questions. When you look at AMD, Nvidia and Intel. How are they evolving? To me it seems that Nvidia and AMD are slowly bulking up and trying to further diversify their portfolio while Intel is trying to cut some fat and focus on the most important parts of its business. From my POV it seems that all three companies seem to be converging to the similar point in terms of financials and technology. Does that excite you? What does it mean for the market?

Space Channel 5

As a transwomen can you call out that we arent all trolling JK rowling and a lot of us are gamers like most normal humans

Prior is the theme 999

Hello Tom and Gordon, to me this is like a meet up of essentially old age journalism vs the new age, Gordon being in the tech press industry for essentially its entirety, what are your thoughts on how things are done now? Do you miss the days of where people would read and write whole articles of products or are you in favor or the modern video style reviews the LTT’s, hardware Unboxed, and GamersNexus’. Curious to see where you acquired your inspiration for the field as well Tom, and if you can remember who you looked to back in the day from old age journalism that helped shaped the way you approach your channel.

MooresLawIsDead

Idk if that's on subject for this episode, but I don't doubt that at all lol. Most humans are humans just living their lives.

Brendon O'Connell

The Intel Corporation *disaster*. Brian Krzanich being fired for an "inappropriate sexual relationship" after being outted as telling the CCP about Spectre and Meltdown flaws before the US government...and selling $20 million in shares. - - - - Intel Corporation is now a desperate laughing stock, this has never, never, never, never happened before in the last 200+ years of the industrial revolution. Analysis = zero.

Sarcastro

Q1 - Hi Tom and Gordon, while at University I interned as a crime analyst in Akron, Ohio and had several event filled ride-alongs, Gordon did you do any ride-alongs when working as a police beat reporter? Any crazy stories, if you did? Q-2 Gordon, covering PC's since the late 1990's, in your opinion what have been the most important developments in hardware and software which pushed industry advances?

Chris Rijk

Are GPUs getting too big, too power hungry and too expensive for their own good? Or are you happy with how GPUs are developing? If you think that the market is due a reality check, what do you think needs to change the most?

ZENOEN

Q1. What do you feel is the main thing holding back the adoption of a different GPU (Such as switching from Team green to team red or vise versa) is it Fanboy's obsessed with their chosen brands or something deeper? Q2. Do hurtful/dishonest business practices affect people's buying decisions in any meaningful manner for the average consumer and are there any knock-on effects that can bee is seen now other than EVGA leaving the market? Q3. Would AMD or INTEL having the best GPU available in raw raster performance actually get people to switch away from Nivida GPUs in a significant manner when they have been using Nivida for at least the last 4 years? P.S Feel free to break up the question and spread them out no need to hit them all at once, What ever easier for you and your podcast,

Ron Osmo

If Intel ever get the flexibility that meteor ĺake promises can AMD compete?