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AMD RX 7900 XTX Reveal Reactions - Die Shrink Telegrams (Patreon)

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2022-11-03 22:44:29
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Well, it happened - AMD has revealed their initial RDNA 3 Navi 31 products, and much more including:

RX 7900 XTX 24GB for $999

RX 7900 XT 20GB for $899

Impressively small die sizes

Display Port 2.1 support for 8K165 & 4K480 Displays

FSR 3 Fluid Motion Frames

Powerful AV1 Encoding

"Hyper-RX"

Possibly other things Tom & Dan missed so far lol

What do you all think? Are you impressed? Disappointed? Anything you noticed that you think others might have missed? Any new burning questions for Tom & Dan?

Put your thoughts, comments, and reactions to today's event below!  You don't have a ton of time, but you do firmly have at least an hour from this posting to respond, so take 30 minutes or so to read up before you respond if you'd prefer!  Also remember that if you miss the cutoff on this or think of something tomorrow, you can submit it in the reader mail channels for the next Broken Silicon...which should be a big one full of a few surprise leaks from Tom :).

https://youtu.be/hhwd6UgGVk4

Comments

Timo H

Hi Tom and Dan, Biggest question here, how much does big gap until 13.12. leave in competition sense? Nvidia has plenty of time to sell their 4080 16G and 4090s for AI use.

GlacierIsland

What kind of profit margins do you think AMD has on RDNA 3 at these prices?

kjm015

I was impressed by what AMD presented today with RDNA3. In terms of price, TDP, and features, I think AMD really knocked it out of the park with their flagship GPUs on offer. They hit Nvidia where it hurts by pointing out major issues with Lovelace, namely the insane price and melting power connectors. To me, this makes the RTX 4080 dead on arrival at its $1,200 MSRP. The only thing that was missing was direct performance comparisons to the RTX 4090, especially in raytracing. I can't wait to see independent benchmarks. This looks like a really competitive showing from Radeon.

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When do you think the AMD RX 7950 XT & Nvidia 4090 Ti will launch next year?

Timo H

Hi, second question which I spotted (or interpreted ) from show... amd may target game devs, how big and important opening would this be and does amd have good chance? It looked 8K and other ultimate boasting could be useful there, in fashion of 1080ti and 3090.

Kjell Plöger

The 7900 series is the easier one to recommend to friends versus the 4080 and 4090. Not new case or power connector required, no more heat to worry about, good and logical pricing and modern features like DP 2.1 to still use it fully in 5 years. AMD went for a competitive product in the current market instead of competing directly and closely in performance with the 4090.

AI Generated Fish

Wow! These performed a bit below where I was expecting but in a nod to the comment "there's no bad products, only bad pricing" these are priced so oustandingly I can't feel anything but excited. The fact AMD priced their cut down top die at the same price Nvidia tried to sell a faux 4080 that was more than likely a 4070 is a win for consumers. My biggest question for you and Dan: what does Nvidia do to answer this? How do they price the 4080 & remaining Ampere stock? It seems like the 7900xtx will destroy a 4080 for less money how can AMD attempt to sell a 3090 for the same price?

AWS Danny

Hey Tom and Dan! Hope all is well. Love listening to you guys every other week. Well I must say the price to raster performance on these cards appears to be very strong and will likely make the RTX 4080 look a bit silly at $1200. However, I am a-little disappointed in the stated RT performance. These numbers appear to be less than all expectations and would place the cards in the Ampere range of performance? Do you think AMD is sandbagging or is there going to be an even larger gap in RT performance this generation compared to Lovelace. Thank you, Danny

Goof Nik

Honestly, I’m happiest about DisplayPort 2.1. I’ve been waiting a decade for 5K120 to be ubiquitous. That it might start existing with real selection (and competitive pricing) in the next year is fantastic. For the record, I’m talking about for productivity, not gaming (though that’s nice, too). I’m aware that 4K is everywhere, but I’ll take the extra 77.8% logical work area every time. Am I not the only person really excited about DisplayPort 2.1?

Ludovico Morreale

Unless I missed it there was no comparison chart against a 4090? How far are they behind?

MarkCentral

Thought the presentation went really well until the slides presenting 8K resolution with the footnote saying their “8K” was 7680x2160, and then followed that up with slides comparing performance with FSR enabled and no native performance information.

Tomas Stefe

I thought it was a nice presentation, the speaker after Lisa was too nervous, and the audience's reactions were hilarious at times. What I've missed the most are raster benchmark comparisons. Also I don't like the XTX naming scheme, it makes me suspicious that, they rebranded the rx 7800xt as a 7900xt judging by their cu count. Edit: I also cringed at their 8K slides

Trogdor

Hi "insane graphics card Tom" and "insane graphics card Dan", I was expecting there to be an AMD shooting themselves in the foot moment, but honestly everything was impressive, especially the price - it seems obvious to me that they're going for the throat this gen even if the xtx loses by 5-10% at 4k. Getting really similar vibes to 3700x vs 9900k.

Sarcastro

Howdy Fellas, Cautiously impressed after the presentation. Time and testing will tell about the increases in rasterization, 4k resolution ray tracing etc. What impressed me most was pricing; a generation newer at seemingly the same cost at the tippy-top and even more competitive one step from the precipice, fantastic if those buckets can hold water. But, are those steps to a massive gain in market share etc. or steps before falling up the stairs? Having your initial 1A 1-B offerings AGGRESSIVELY priced below NVidias 2A offering, can AMD provide the availability?

Eleriam

Do you know where the power consumption of the 7900 XT in gaming will be compared to the 6800 XT? I don't want a radiator next to me when spring comes.

SuperCrepen

How do you see the competition between the 7900 XTX and the 4090 in 2 years (or to the next generation cards launch)? It feels like the discussions being had now are quite similar to what they were in 2020 after RDNA2 and Amperes launch with RDNA2 matching or being slightly slower in raster but being cheaper, and ampere winning in RT.

Conner Seney

I was disappointed by the raytracing performance, but once they announced pricing I was content. Raytracing is important, but it's not worth an additional $600. Raster seems competitive, but perhaps Nvidia has an edge. Despite most new games featuring some raytracing, it doesn't always benefit a game visually. The cost to benefit ratio isn't there for me so I'll try and grab a 7900 XTX on December 13th.

Billy Mays

Hi Tom and Dan, It’s even more apparent why the 4080 12GB was scraped. That card would have been openly mocked by reviewers. However the biggest change in the gpu market after today won’t be the with newer generation cards but instead ampere and Rdna2 oversupply IMO. What kind of change to pricing of the older cards do you see after today? Thanks.

AdanFS

I was initially concerned at the low clock of 2.3GHz, but it is still higher than advertised for n21. 6900xt: 2.0 game / 2.25 boost 6950xt 2.1 game / 2.31 boost 7900xtx 2.3 game / 2.5 boost Overall I am impressed at the price points but a little underwhelmed at the RT improvements.

Chris Rijk

Looking at just the top end products, both AMD and Nvidia have brought huge improvements in performance and price/performance in this generation. Consumers are clearly the winner here. Congratulations to the engineers for achieving this. I'm especially impressed with the area efficiency (performance per mm^2 of silicon) of RDNA 3 - when Angstronomics originally reported the die sizes, I thought they were too good to be true.

Cleansweep

Hey Tom and Dan, Overall, I felt the presentation was pretty good, but I have to admit, I kinda zoned out during that big tech dump early on. That said, I think the big takeaway, besides AMD being aggressive on price and offering some impressive performance in specific workloads, is that they're trying really hard to showcase their GPU software. I think consolidating a lot of their separate features into Hyper-RX is a smart move, both as a branding move and the fact that it'll force outlets to talk about their software stack when it releases. Aside from Hardware Unboxed, I'm not sure any other outlets bring up AMD's features or the fact that they don't require an account, so it's good to see AMD doing whatever they can to get the word out about the software side of their GPUs.

Kaspar

Hi Tom and Dan, I feel like Nvidia got a win in by using the bs 4x charts, making me feel a bit less excited by 1.5x for rdna3 though in reality its really good! Question to you both is what you think the over clocking potential will be. That could possibly cause a real mindshare win if you can "freely" unlock all this extra performance. Also is this full navi31 die?

Eliab Agbavor

Hey tom I am actually excited about their encoding and productivity. The collaboration with OBS is nice

Mo Abdul

As a 4090 owner, I think AMD did exceptionally well. Even with unlimited money, there is only so much engineers can focus on. Their strategy seems to be to get MCM out, make the raster nearly as good as 4090, focus on encoding, drivers and software, keep it cheap, support DP 2.1 and get mind share by making the 4080 16gb and even the un-launched 12gb look stupid. I also think the rumoured 3ghz version must be an OC AIB version with 3x 8pin PCI-E connectors. Making RT perf wait a little longer, and not wasting time adding MIMD for ray traversal on silicon is lower priority than what they worked on. All in all I want AMD to win. This is the first MCM GPU and I’m sure they’ll be a lot more ambitious with RDNA 4. My final verdict, 8.5/10. Let’s hope for good well priced 7800, 7700 and 7600 versions.

Curtis Gross

1) Probably going to buy the xtx. XT is priced too close. for the xtx The price is fantastic for what would appear to be great raster performance. 2) Felt like the presentation was a bit too focused on some weird 8k widescreen numbers after saying that 4k was the new standard (this part I agree with) 3) The numbers seemed like they were hiding something. My guess is bad raytracing, but maybe they were also hiding that there is a more expensive model coming from partners that is clocked to the gills? Maybe both. An extra 150w seems like a push to 3ghz (~20% clock bump) would win them the crown.

agent2

Hello Tom and Dan, I was seriously impressed by RDNA3‘s forward thinking way of making sure gamers have the best value and future-proof I/O in one normally sized, efficient package. As a tech enthusiast who is willing to reward such cool innovation, how do you think the general public will receive these new cards? Has AMD‘s graphics mindshare crusade finally taken off? Or will most people still buy an only circa 10% faster GPU which is 700$ more expensive at MSRP? I would love to hear your thoughts on this. Btw I was reeling at the constant digs Scott Herkelmann was pulling at NVIDIA, they sure made use of all the openings they had! Keep on rocking with your quality tech journalism!

Akarsh Adithya

Hi Tom this is really exciting stuff is it worth waiting for AIB models of 7900xtx like Sapphire,Asrock and Xfx right now rocking a 7950x and rx 580(backup gpu)

Tim K

Alright Imma just put how i feel now, im happy with my RTX 4090 purchase looking at these "supposed performance numbers" You know im really impressed with the raster improvement. 70%? pretty good pretty good. It should definitely compete well with 4090 on that front. Now as a 4090 owner I would like to add in a very important detail that other people might not realize, I dont have to worry about performance hits at all with RT on. Like its an afterthought with how fast RT is now. With confidence I can say some people are really missing out on how good ray tracing is with the 4090 bc you dont have to worry about it. AMD? I dont know about that chief. Looks a little shaky with the RT improvements here. It makes me doubt a little bit that they will be outperforming top ampere ray tracing. Also can we talk about how i think the argument needs to be that RT AND Rasterization need to be both stellar in order for anyone to have a definitely king flagship product? Like im sorry but with how fast RT is to the point where you dont have to worry about turning it on anymore in 4k, RT isnt a side feature anymore, its a core feature to me now. If Im spending $1000+ on a video card, i should be able toggle every setting to full throttle and that INCLUDES RT ok? Oh and FSR 3.0. Uh.... idk if this is supposed to be superior to DLSS 3? Idk how realistic it is that AMDs software team can outdo nvidias software minds with the amount of brainpower and manpower they have working on perfecting DLSS 3 in the coming years. What do you think Tom? DLSS 3 or FSR 3? Which will age better? in the end, amd checked all the boxes for what a Next gen GPU needs to be. but did they impress me where they absolutely crushed nvidia in certain places? no, i dont think so. Those are my thoughts. What are yours? God bless.

Frobozz

The price point of the 7900xtx is going for the 4090 jugular. The marketing pitch is also rightly focused on how easy it is to upgrade, power consumption, and high refresh rate 4k gaming. It just checked every box for me and I will probably upgrade from my 6900xt now and build on AM5 next year with an X3D CPU.

Prior is the theme 999

Hi Tom and Dan, AMD overdelivered for me. I was hoping for the 7900 xt to be $1000 USD and planned on getting it, it looks like I'm getting the xtx instead to replace my 3070 with no further upgrades necessary to my build, no new case/power supply. My question is how badly does this damper nvidias mid-range plans, a $700 4070 sounds really dumb to me considering the potential very competitive price of the 7800xt and 7700xt, actually even the 4080 at 1200 looks even more dumb to me now. But then again, maybe the mindshare will win once again. The prices are very aggressive, and I can't wait to see where this competition takes us!

Cache Miss

I think the pricing is pretty solid. However, I was really surprised and disappointed by the raytracing performance. RDNA2 was already behind ampere in performance, and I think we all expected that RDNA3 would improve raytracing more than the raster improvement, but it seems that the opposite is true. Given that the 4090 improved raytracing more than raster, this just puts AMD at an even greater disadvantage in terms of raytracing performance, which can't be good. It really detracts from the 7900xtx's otherwise solid footing in flagship territory, especially with raytracing becoming even more relevant with these cards that can solidly run it now. Also, what was up with that FSR3? Is AMD just copying NVIDIA's DLSS smeary mess to get these framerates, or is there more to it? Also, that presentation felt really awkward, which was kinda weird. There were many points where it there was applause expected with little to none given, and in general the presenters seemed a little uncomfortable.

Hal Bouma

Hi Tom and Dan, my takeaway is that the 7900XT/X is far more in touch with what a larger segment of the market can afford right now. Its a great value.

ZeroCooL

Hi Tom and Dan, personally I was impressed by these new cards. Like how they now have good AV1 support, use less energy, no complications with power cords... but the whole presentation was off for me. Example - how they didn't compare the cards with the competition and used FSR pretty much everywhere they could. In the end of the presentation I was lot less excited than I was in the RDNA 1 announcement. The best thing about these cards is the price.

Charlie Roberts

If the 7900 XTX had a cooler the size of the 4090 I'm sure they could push it harder as well. I was pretty pleased with amd's presentation. It's curious how well they will overclock.

Kinihun25

Hey Tom and Dan, how shocked were you that AMD priced the cards so competitively? This is the kind of pricing if AMD is competitive will force Nvidia to drop prices. The 4090 may have to drop to $1200 and release a 4080ti at $1000 and make the 4080 $850, but I don't know how much that will help because this may have comfirmed that the 7800XT will be under $700.

Tim Cristy

I think they shot themselves in the foot a little by listing the RT uplift as +50% per CU vs 6900XT instead of total. A lot of reactions are missing that the 7900XTX has 96 CUs vs 80 for the 6900XT, so total RT uplift should be ~1.8x (1.2x CUs x 1.5x performance each).

Shryquill

Will these new GPUs be VR Ready? 🤭

Conner Seney

How good RT is? In my experience RT is hit or miss, sometimes it doesn't do anything and sometimes it looks good. The 4090 really only makes sense as an RT card or professional workhorse, but if you don't care or need RT or CUDA, then you have more sensible options coming soon. There are some stand out games with RT, but if we're being honest many games just include RT to tick a box. The 4090 does incur a performance penalty with RT and the difference is still noticeable depending on the game. Sure, in RE Village or Doom Eternal you can just enable RT and forget about it, but in Cyberpunk or WatchDogs Legion your going to lose quite a few frames and you will undoubtedly notice the difference. Wdym supposed performance numbers? AMD is generally pretty honest when it comes to the performance numbers they give. As far as FSR 3 and DLSS 3 go, we'll just have to wait and see, but DLSS 3 is hit or miss and depends heavily on game implementation, but the latency penalty seems to be egregious.

Osiris

Hi Tom and Dan, I was mostly impressed, but they really needed more data points, especially showing the pure rasterization. However, based on what they did share, it seems like price to performance is well in-line. The pricing positions these cards perfectly with old RDNA2 inventory needing to still be sold. Once they clear up their RDNA2 inventory, do you see these cards dropping 10-20%, or more?

Donkey Kong Odyssey

Considering AMD's recent practices of pricing under its competitor's shadows, I fully expected the 7900 XT to be priced anywhere between $999 and $1149, with the XTX variant seeing a $1099 to $1299 price tag. With the $899 and $999 pricetags, respectively, how aggressive could you see the rest of RDNA 3's lineup?

Osiris

Hello Tom and Dan, I currently have a 6900xt, and a 2K monitor that has been problematic, but manageable for now. I will likely jump to a 4k monitor in early 2023. Sticking with AMD, would you wait for RDNA4, or grab on one of these when the price is right? Also, what might we expect that exceeds these cards in the RDNA3 generation?

Mic dangerfield

Honestly I'm pretty blown away! I feel the thing some people are missing is that pricing it at 1000$ and 900$, it's not much of a choice for me, even if you get within 10% of the 4090 and most likely beat the 4080 for 600$ or 200$ less in the case of the 4080 that's amazing, I mean raytracing by my math should be somewhere around ampere which was pretty good unless all of the sudden the 3090 is crap? with raster performance stomping the 3090ti it just sounds like a good deal. I'm up for buying nvidia but if the benchmarks pans out and the new improvements on features which also looks good then in my opinion go with amd this round,it's the better deal. I don't understand the negativity I've seen some places?

Kelfen

Hi Tom, How do you see AMD competing with the 4080 considering the original price for the 4080 was 1200 USD? Do you see Nvidia changing it's strategy for the 4080?

Osvaldo Doederlein

Let's first get this out of the way: the 4090 is alone in its class, AMD not trying to touch it (...a 2-GCD config would, but that didn't happen, no surprise, first gen of chiplet GPU). Also NV came with a big jump in RT while AMD had a decent but more incremental RT update. But Tom was right that AMD/chiplet has much lower BOM. Their top XTX is not only much cheaper than the 4090, it's significantly cheaper than the 4080. So here's my scorecard so far: - Raster: XTX will beat 4080 easily. - RT: XTX is +80% over 6950XT (+50% per CU x +20% CUs); I think it won't be much behind the 4080. I'd risk 10-20% better RT than the 3090ti, which btw, is also WAY more expensive than the XTX anywhere that has stock. - VRAM: 24GB vs. 16GB is BIG for longevity & any production work. - Codecs: AMD seems to reach parity. Solid moves in software support. - DP2.1: Huge win if you have any use for this, but a niche for now. - TDP and size: Not even a contest. The XTX fits even in a decent microATX case/PSU. No cable drama, no excess fan noise. - FSR2: Convincing roadmap with continued investment, tons of supported games coming, announced FSR3 (frame interpolation?). DLSS3's first-mover advantage will be small, this stuff will have slow adoption and the SKUs that really need it are entry-level like 4060/7600XT that are not even announced yet; FSR3 will be already available when this matters. - AI engine: ???. I suppose it's good, solid tech from Xilinx & Instinct, but who knows how it compares to RTX's tensor cores. Interesting application in AV1 encoding, will also be useful for RT denoising, FSR3 etc. Needs execution on the software side (support from popular things like Pytorch etc). At minimum we can say it's another "moat" RTX doesn't have anymore. My provisional verdict (before launch & independent reviews): - Price/perf&features way better than the 4080 16GB. Unless you're a single-issue buyer and your issue is RT, and some +20% RT is a deal-breaker even if you lose most other points and even lose price/perf in RT. - Even at same price, would be strong competition to the 4080. I bet NVidia will accelerate plans for a 4080ti, so they win this category at least in terms of raw perf (will never win in price/perf). And now the bad news: Because AMD is not competing in the 4090's lane, forget any hope of NVidia reducing its price. If you really want a 4090, buy it as soon as you can grab one by the current MSRP because you won't see one cent down before 2024. Probably same for the 4080; NVidia has the branding and distribution to overcome a 20-25% handicap in price/perf, so even if you agree with my scorecard, no real pressure to discount the 4080.

SteveBoxTM

Hello Tim and Don. Looking at the RDNA3 launch and alleged specs I was fairly impressed, but also slightly dissapointed AMD doesn't appear to be pushing their top 2 cards (for now) all that hard. It makes sense for business reasons of course, but especially with ray tracing I was hoping for a little more. All that said I'm still leaning towards a 7900XTX rather than a 4090. I'm wondering how you think AIB's will fair in possible watercooled configurations and how close we can expect an overclocked 7900XTX to come to the 4090 in raster and raytracing?

yoda king

Hey Dan and Tom. I had two questions for you two. Firstly, what does AV1 encoding and decoding mean? I understand that it's a compression algorithm but will it be a useful feature to have? What exactly will it do? Secondly, Nvidia has been the preferred gpu for streamers for awhile from my understanding. Will AMD put more time and money towards making their platform as good or better than Nvidia for streamers? How exactly do they compare now with the recent driver updates?

SwirlingMist

My favorite piece of the whole presentation was when they said that Adrenaline was an unlocked experience. No log ins, no tracking. A return to sanity in a world of un-consensual data collection.

Wasmachineman_NL

Did any of you expect RDNA 3 to have >3 GHz clock speeds like I did? I have a waterblocked 6900 XT Toxic EE that does 2.8 GHz plus daily. Would have been nice if RDNA3 clocked even higher.

Osvaldo Doederlein

Updating this. The XTX will be 2X 6950XT in RT, based on TomsHardware's 4090 review / avg RT at 1080p and the specs we know and some math. Using 1080p data for projections because of the bus width that disadvantages RDNA2 in higher res, absent problem in RDNA3. So, 2X RT is impressive, better than I expected... but the 4080 should still be almost 2X faster than the XTX. Ada is really such a monster in raytracing, more than I estimated yesterday without doing the math. Notice that these benchs are an average that include outliers like Minecraft and Control; most RT games have way lower advantage for RTX. So perhaps the average for "normal RT" (not path-traced) might be some +50%, well that's still significant. Perhaps the 7950XTX will follow up soon and close that gap, but there's also rom for a 4080ti closing the large 60% gap from the 4080 to the 4090. So my conclusions change a little: if RT is important to you, the 4080 will be the better buy at least at MSRPs. For me, it boils down to street prices, and the RTX40 is very likely to stay well above MSRP for quite some time. If the "real price at newegg/microcenter with stock" is >$1,5K for the 4080 but $1K for the XTX, I'm still buying the XTX. Otherwise I'm going with the 4080. And I'm on "love RT" camp, still I'm not paying an absurd price for a GPU for that single feature.

Osvaldo Doederlein

I expected almost that, like 2,8GHz but not 3GHz. I guess the first-gen (for GPU) chiplet tech has its limits. There's 533mm2 of silicon counting the MCDs, very close to the monster of AD102 but with probably extra thermal limits from interposer & packaging. However, considering the surprisingly low launch prices, it's also possible that even the XTX is not yet a particularly well-binned die. As production and yields ramp up we'll certainly have xx50 SKUs that might have a nice extra step up in clocks, plus also faster GDDR6. But these will need more power than 2x8-pin.

FREUDIAN NIP SLIP

While there is no doubt the 4090 is an impressive GPU, I personally believe AMD is in a better position this gen because who the hell has any money right now?

Craig W.

I think you just answered your own question. You have a "waterblocked 6900 XT Toxic" that does 2.8 GHz. You are comparing that to a reference card and that I'm sure AMD wants to have a low noise profile. You can bet the Toxic or similar AIB models will have much higher clock speeds.

Wasmachineman_NL

There's also the 6900 XT Toxic AC or 6950XT OCF that both do 2.45+ GHz all day long on air.

Hugo Ander Kivi

I don't think it's possible to fix the latency issue on DLSS 3 due to the nature of the technology. The AI generated images are poor as well and stand out in motion, depending on the scene. It's not something I'd ever want to use because of these reasons.