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Discussing RDNA 3, Lovelace, and more w/ AdoredTV (Patreon)

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2022-12-12 22:04:48
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Broken Silicon's next episode will see the return of Jim from AdoredTV.  We plan to heavily discuss:

The RX 7900 XTX / XT Launch

Nvidia Lovelace Products

Zen 4 vs Raptor Lake

Expectations for Intel, AMD, and Nvidia in 2023

Obviously this episode will weigh the discussion heavily towards today's releases...but don't be afraid to ask about anything else regarding this year's and next year's product launches :).

Also note that a video will be coming out today with leaks about RDNA 3 volume, AIB Clock Speeds, and addressing the idea that RDNA 3 has "Flaws"...so waiting till later tonight or early tomorrow morning isn't a bad idea if you want to receive more context before you submit.  Having said that, you have ~16 hours to submit below (Till late Tuesday Morning US Central Time).  So do note the time limit!

Either way be concise, respectful, and use good grammar to be considered. 

Comments

Christian Visconti

Hi Tom and Jim, I would like to know what do you think the next big APUs bring to the table especially Strix Halo. I am fairly exited about the APU potential and uniqueness but right now, the more i picture It in my mind the harder it is to imagine an ideal platform to carry it. With 40/65W what kind of machine would be best suited for? laptop or mini pc? Consolle or handhelds? There are already machines that dissipate that much wattage? How big are they? Thanks in advance.

CompressedAIBlocks

Hello Tom and Jim! Thanks for coming back on Jim, love your content. I'd just like to know where you guys see RDNA 4 heading. RDNA 3 was underhwelming to say the least for a majority of the community and I agree. Is RDNA 4 going to be *only* 50%~ better than RDNA 3? It seems if that's the case Nvidia will walk away in the lead..again. Thanks!

Swiggles

Hey Tom and Jim. AMD 7000 launch was dampened by a few software bugs and intermittent performance accolades. What do you think about the crucial nature of software progression of these hardware products. The card even hits 4090 levels of performance In select scenarios when it's neck and neck with the 4080 in most cases. I just find this constant need for more time for the software to kick in unnecessary at this point.

Kinihun25

Hey Tom, and Jim After see the reviews today of the 7900XTX I must say I came away disappointed, not in the overall performance because from seeing War one 2 benchmarks I can see RDNA3 has potential. I'm disappointed in AMD drivers, it seems everytime AMD has a chance to take the crown their drivers disappoint. I have no doubt the drivers will improve but it just seems they will get their act together by now.

Prior is the theme 999

Hello Tom and Jim, I have two questions the first being WHAT TOOK SO LONG FOR THIS! My second question is what magic has nvidia pulled to garner this much mindshare? I understand that to their credit they have always delivered but this literal cult at this point is always finding a way to either push the goal post or downplay AMD any way they can. I don’t think any other brand has people licking their leather boots or in this case Leather jackets this much closest I can think of is Apple but even then this behavior is limited to the far end, whereas nvidia it goes from the far end to people who are just getting into the dui. Thanks for the content, it’s good to see this collab and hope for more down the line!

AWS Danny

Hello Tom and Jim! Well, breaking news the 7900XTX has been released and it's confirmed AMD is a business and not a charity when it comes to pricing. The card seems to be receiving a very mixed reception. PC World gave it a glowing review while Hardware Unboxed was quite critical, even implying in their conclusion that the 4080 is a better product (OUCH). This may be a bit of a hot take but I don't think this gpu is going to damage Nvidia's current mind/market share. What do you think?

Samuel Park

In some of your older leak videos, you mentioned that you believed that RDNA 3 would be somewhere close to a 60%-80% improvement in performance, gen over gen. What do you think happened? Do you think it's because AMD limited themselves to a relatively low TDP that they lost out so hard to Lovelace? Most of the reviews I've seen so far seem to suggest that most people are disappointed with the level of performance of RDNA 3 as it stands today.

Prior is the theme 999

In your opinion, how good is the 7900xtx really. To me it seems it’s foundation is based on that it’s cheaper than a 4080. I was planning of purchasing the xtx recently till I realized $1000 really isn’t much better value that $1200. Yes it’s cheaper but the card is still $1000. I admit I fell for the marketing and buzz words around it being cheaper and truly believed $1000 is good value. Thankfully the high wore off, $1000 is not good value for a graphics card. If nvidia magically priced matched the 7900xtx I believe it would have no chance.

Frank van de Pol

Owh yes Jim is back! Love the guy and his insights this will be a good one again!

Arno

Please correct me if I'm wrong, I can't remember all the way back to the first RDNA3 leaks, but if I do recall seeing some initial leaks indicate that AMD was working on a multi-chiplet design that would not only separate MCDs but also separate GCDs (for the same benefit of small dies, higher yields, etc.) I remember certain leaks that mentioned patents and designs where the card would only report one "main" chiplet which would then act as the host to delegate work to its siblings. Was this only ever planned for RDNA4 or is this something that was indeed planned and then scaled back for RDNA3?

Zac

Hey Tom and Jim! I was wondering if RDNA 3 is being tested with 3D V-Cache and if so is there any preliminary information on performance or configurations perhaps?

Yours truly, Johnny Dollar

Ever since Zen 2 came out and saved pc builders from Intel, people like me keep expecting RDNA to be the to be the hero who saves us from Nvidia pricing, but instead AMD graphics keeps insisting on only being the lesser evil. I can't blame AMD for trying to make money, but unless the 7900XTX drifts below $700, I am skipping this gen. I have 6800 non-XT and was looking for an excuse to get a second 4k card, but this is not the excuse I was hoping for. No questions, just a sentiment.

Jordan Simkovic

Hey, Tom, Dan, and Jim! Like Lovelace pricing and segmentation, the most disappointing takeaway from the RDNA3 launch for me are the implications for the mid range and low end. Is there any hope for the 4070ti being less than $900 at this point? Or even N32 being anything more than 10-15% performance jump, SKU to SKU, for a minimal price increase? With the 7900 XT barely beating the 6950XT, how exactly does AMD fit another cut down N31 die in to their lineup for any reasonable performance increase in the xx80 tier with the 7800XT?

tasty bounlaki

Hi Tom and Jim, I feel as though the 7900 series are betwixt and between graphics tiers. Competitive and casual gamers can get away with a 6900xt or 3080 or lower whilst enthusiast PC builders will almost always go with rtx 4000 series for the performance, rt and brand name. Are AMD positioned precariously regardless of their price to performance?

KingKoro

Hi Tom and Jim, it looks like RDNA3 will get ROCm Support pretty soon. With AMD sometimes mentioning their "AI Cores" as being about 2.7x faster for matrix calculations, how much will this impact actual Machine Learning performance in training/infernce? I think you've mentioned that it looks like most of that 2.7x jump really comes from the doubling of FP32 units per CU. Right now there doesn't seem to be many technical details floating around about these accelerators and I wonder how much actual use they will see for the average user. Anyhow I'm excited to see how well RDNA3 stacks up to Lovelace and Ampere here. Also, what does the somewhat underwhelming performance of RDNA3 as dGPU imply for Phoenix Point's iGPU performance?

NoCleverName

Second this! I'm curious to see how RDNA3 will mature with respect to AI and ML workloads

KingKoro

I really hope AMD takes these workloads more serious now for their consumer cards, with RDNA1/2 it was less than ideal, adding ROCm/HIP Support only years after it's release.

Profuse Duck

Hello Tom and Jim, What is y'alls overall opinion on the high-end RDNA 3 launch? Would you say it fell below or beat expectations? Lastly, do either of y'all see room for significant improvements in the future, be it from driver optimization or binning/more MCDs.

Billy Mays

Hello Tom and Jim, Tom on Broken Silicon 182, you mentioned that a navi 32 7800xt should be able to beat a 4080 12gb derived 4070ti. After the launch of Navi 31 do you still feel this way? I must admit while I don’t think this lineup is a disaster I’m still a bit disappointed and my expectations have dropped for cards lower down the RX 7000 stack.

Ryzza5

AMD 7000 CPU prices have dropped after a few months, so hopefully the same happens with GPUs. I guess there will always be an early adopter tax, even if it's simply to pay for initial shipping via air-freight.

10GHz Netburst

Why do NVidia and AMD release the 4080 and 7900XT if they price it in a way that clearly shows they don't want to sell them?

Keith Moore

All of the RX7900xtx reviews that talked about coil whine said it was noticeable while using the AMD reference card. Are there any AMD board partners that are known for having little to no coil whine?

10GHz Netburst

Will RTG ever get a smooth launch that they don't screw up in some way? How come Ryzen and Epyc can do it but RTG can't?

Durmij

Hello Tom and Jim, Three separate questions, feel free to skip later ones. How compatible are Ryzen and Radeon designs? Would we be able to see an RDNA3 chiplet on a Zen4 or 5 substrate making an APU significantly stronger than current offerings? Napkin math suggests a Zen4 CCD has the same die space as approximately 21 RDNA 3 CUs. Assuming the performance scales as expected from RDNA 2, we'd end up with a chip that games like a 7700x 6600xt combo while drawing under 200 watts, ie the perfect build it now, upgrade it later option for consumers looking to enter into PC gaming. I'm really curious about cost scaling for these architectures. As someone who's job is to sell graphics cards, the 3060ti was the clear favourite in our store the 18 months is, as it was often 90% of the performance of a 3070 for 75% of the price. Will Nvidia's wafer costs give AMD an opening to lock down the popular midrange? Follow up: will we get anything decent in the low end. The 6500xt became an okay 580 replacement after the prices settled, but can we look forward to a purpose built next gen experience under $300 at launch, instead of something repurposed after it failed to sell in laptops.

Roman Pirschel

Tom you mentioned at the beginning of 2022 that AMD was internally 100% sure they will beat Nvidia this generation. What really happened? There are some rumors emerging about problems not hiting 3000 mhz.

Matheus Duque

Hello Tom and Jim! Glad to have you back making videos Jim, your work is legendary! Anyway my questions are: in a recent AdoredTV it was speculated that AMD could make a larger GCD that would be strong enough to defeat the 4090, are there any whispers that this something that might come out or is it really just speculation? On another note, there's already been rumors of an RDNA3+, do you know if it's real? And if so, is just a correction of those minor bugs Tom talked about, or is there something more to it?

ishould

Hello Jom and Tim, do you know what the 7900xtx costs to produce? How much lower could they drop the price if necessary to match the inevitable price drop of the 4080?

AI Generated Fish

Knowing what we know now, should the 7900xtx/xt have been the 7800xt & 7800? They've positioned these as 4080 competitors but with a bit of perspective, bad pricing just not as bad as Nvidia. Would a "7800xt" in the same configuration as the 7900xtx at $749 have been more poised to take market share?

Stab Happy

Hey Tom and Jim. Do you think that it would have been best for RTG to sit out this generation (at least at the high end) and let the market ruin itself? RDNA 3 certainly has good margins but I feel any silicon would be better served for CPU or server. Seeing hardware unboxed's conclusion for the XTX saying you might as well go spend the additional 20% for a 4080 makes me think AMD needs to get out of the way of nvidia's price gouging, it's what people vote for.

Brink0fDestruction

Hi Tom and Jim, with the 4070 Ti launching on January 5th, not only is it right after the start of the new year, but launches on the first day of CES, which many tech reviewers will be attending, probably resulting in them not having as in-depth of a review for the card as they normally would as they prepare for CES. Also, with the performance of the 7900 series being revealed, how do you think this will affect pricing for the 4070 Ti? With the problems with RDNA 3 that you noted in your latest video, what effect will this have on Navi 32 and 33 desktop and laptop cards, and also on Phoenix and other RDNA 3 APUs?

Hal Richard

Hello to Everyone. Let me tell you and your viewers what I experienced out here in Komifornia. I was lined up at 5:30 am this morning in front of my local Microcenter. There were like 300 people ahead of me. I had no idea it would be like this and neither did the store as I had asked. The line for my store was larger than the pictures of the 4090 release. Larger than the 4090 release!! I am very sure by now they are sold out. I did not buy a card even though I waited in line. I want a 3x8-pin version of the XTX and that was sold out by the time i had my choice. The only models left were the Reference models rebranded by various AIB partners. I am guessing the other Microcenters are going to report much the same thing. SOLD OUT MAN! Over on the AMD Forums, one commenter stated he did the same thing at Best Buy and was sold out before he had the chance to buy one. This is amazing and good for us as buyers. We need AMD to be successful.

Hal Richard

The larger coolers on the partner cards should help and remember the Partner PCBs will not be clones of the Reference card, Different in quantity and quality of VRMS, Capacitors, Chokes, Resistors, voltage filters, etc.. These should all make a difference.

BattleBiscuit

Alright guys, how`s it going? My favorite Tech-World leakers are finally back on a discussion, I love the indepth research you both do on your channels. Here's a question to both of you, Tom and Jim. AMD has started using 3D Cache on their products with Zen 3 and the upcoming Zen 4 CPUs will have it aswell, giving us more performance in some instances like gaming. Will this technologie stay with AMD exclusively for a good while or might Intel and Nvidia already be working on their own version of stacked cache? And do you think AMD will use it in a refresh of their RX 7000 series GPUs to push performance closer to Nvidia's 4090 (or 4090ti) or might they have more problems with their MCD (AMD) architecture? Cheers from Germany.

Cleansweep

Hey Tom and Jim, Given how the 7900 XTX/XT launch panned out, what adjustments might AMD make to its RDNA 3 release strategy? It seems likely that CES is not going to have anything besides driver related stuff, but would they feel like moving up Navi 32/33 releases earlier, or push them back to make sure they nail any and all driver bugs that might be compromising inter-chiplet communication?

Chris Rijk

AMD got something wrong with their execution of Navi 31, but what about their strategy? With the same R&D budget would you have made different design choices or focused more on certain areas at the expense of others?

cockblockula

Hi Tom and Jim! Been subscribed to both of your channels for a while now, love listening to your thoughts. With that being said, AdoringTV made a bold prediction stating that AMD will win the next-gen performance crown. Considering how good the 4090 is, do you still hold that belief?

Keith Moore

I've been looking into all the options I think I'll go with one of the Asus models because of better customer service and 3 year warranty. Hopefully a brand like Asus will make a card with minimal coil whine.

WaffleTiger

Hey whats the ETA for the cast? in 4 hours?