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Discussing OLED, 7600 vs 4060 Pricing, and DLSS w/ Tim from Hardware Unboxed (Guest Telegrams) (Patreon)

Published:
2023-05-12 20:58:29
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2023-05-12 20:59:18
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Broken Silicon's next guest will be Tim from Hardware (and monitors) Unboxed!  We plan to heavily discuss:

OLED Monitors and the latest in Monitor Releases

AMD Phoenix

Upcoming Mobility Products

FSR vs DLSS in 2023

What FSR 3.0 needs to achieve to really make a splash

RX 7600, RTX 4060, and RTX 4060 Ti VRAM and Pricing

6 months into this generation - thoughts on RDNA 3 vs Lovelace

This conversation will be heavily steered by your comments below, so don't hold back!  Just make sure you are concise, respectful, and using good grammar with your submissions below to have them considered.  You have ~48 hours (till Sunday Afternoon US Central Time) to submit!

Check out Hardware Unboxed: https://www.youtube.com/@Hardwareunboxed

Check out Monitors Unboxed: https://www.youtube.com/@monitorsunboxed

Last Episode Tim was on: https://youtu.be/fLslDE27XxY

https://youtu.be/bBiXa89QeOc

https://youtu.be/O5B_dqi_Syc

Comments

10GHz Netburst

In your time reviewing laptops, what was the biggest thing that surprised you or you learned?

10GHz Netburst

What's one thing you think everyone shopping for a monitor should know? For laptops?

Alex Sloter

Hi Tom. Thanks for coming on the show, Tim. I've appreciated your videos comparing DLSS and FSR. One of Radeon's big selling points for me is RSR, which enables FSR at the driver level. That means I can enjoy high refresh rate gaming even in titles that don't support FSR on my 6700s laptop. Is there something about DLSS that prevents Nvidia from doing the same thing? Is there a quality difference between enabling upscaling at the driver level versus the game engine itself?

Swiggles

Dlss3 has such a latency impact is the solution just give everyone an oled panel and the latency will be significantly closer to no dlss3 with an lcd.

AI Generated Fish

Hi Tom and Tim, a couple of laptop related questions. First, what do you think of this laptop generation? Are they as lousy value as Nvidia's desktop cards? Second, do you have a phoenix laptop in without a discrete gpu? That seems to be what a lot of consumers want but I've seen no announcements or reviews.

bigboss69

Hi Tim and Tom! I daily drive an LGC1 48inch oled with my gaming rig and after making the jump from ultrawide I dont think I can go back. These TVs are cheaper than the majority of oled monitors and still have fantastic HDR, Gsync and 120hz. Have either of you used an OLED TV as a monitor and if so what has your experince been like? (I have used mine for 18 months and no sign of burn it at all)

bigboss69

The best laptop panel ive ever used is the M1 Macbook pro, its 120hz and miniled. The blacks are almost as good as an oled

KingHarkinian

Hello, since HWUB were the first to raise the VRAM insufficiency to such a story, how do you feel about it having become the talk of the gaming tech world, and how do you feel about these new 8Go cards?

FloridaMan

Hi Tim and Tom! I have a mixed use case where OLED wouldn't be best for me. Are you planning on reviewing any Mini-LED monitors soon?

FloridaMan

What are you thoughts on the future of display technology, such as NanoLED which is expected to come in 3-4 years?

Xavbeat03

As GPU prices continue to go down, it becomes more apparent that even $300 would be too much for what we expect out of the rx 7600. How do you think Amd will respond to this market?

FloridaMan

I'm very impressed with Framework and what they are coming out with this year. What sort of market share and/or products would they need to make all laptop vendors jump on board with repairable, modular laptops?

GaminSinceReagan

Hey Tom and Tim, big fan of both your shows and I have greatly learned from your wisdom. Now, I've been gaming for a long time, mainly on console but switched to PCs a few years ago. One problem I've always had is discerning the difference between resolution, pixel density, and aspect ratio. I'm wondering, do you think monitor, tv, and phone screen manufacturers have taken advantage of the fact that your average consumer would not be able to tell the difference? When they see 2k or 1440p or widescreen or ultra wide or 1080x1920, on a box, most people won't tell the difference. Why can't manufactures make it a bit easier on consumers and our aging minds and just tell us it's 4k or it's not? Thank you again and proud Patron member!!

Dylan K.

Hey Tim and Tom, Hope you're well. My question with Tim, who i'm sure get this question quite often. Do you think after all of your time testing Oled and various other panel types, that oled is still the best all around gaming +daily web browsing monitor panel for most people? Or is this perhaps where panels such as Mini led does better at? Does mini-led still have of room to grow in terms of technology?

PCDog

Hello Tim and Tom. Tim, thank you for all the work you put into your monitor reviews. I bought one of your recommended 4k monitors a few months ago and I couldn’t be happier with it! Well worth watching your monitor reviews for buying advice! My question is this: Do you think the monitor manufacturers will be able to reduce or even eliminate OLED burn in risk in the future?

cockblockula

Hi guys, what do you make of AMD's mobile products this year? I personally find it hard to get excited about any AMD laptop as they always seem to have issues with production & availability. I recall both Tim & Jarrod being disappointed at how few Rembrandt laptops were available last year. This year it seems Dragon Range isn't as widely available as Intel HX and Phoenix seems to be heavily delayed. So I was wondering what is your general take on AMD's performance in the mobile segment and if you believe things will get better later this year or in the future?

CRCV

Hi guys. It seems there as been a great deal of improvement in power efficiency in the x86 market lately (as shown by the Steam Deck, for example). Do you think this might lead to a shake up in the tablet market with x86 challenging ARM on that segment? Or will we only see the line between tablet and laptops blur even more like with the Asus Z13?

Dave Scholze

Hey there guys! I was wondering: with OLED monitors becoming more prevalent these days, what about Mini-LEDs? Don't get me wrong, I'd love a great high-res OLED monitor, but for productivity work (Video-Editing etc.) it may not be the best choice due to burn-in. Or do you think newer technologies beyond QD-OLED will make it viable for productivity work? Oh and: where are decent 3840x1600 or 5K2K HDR widescreen options? 3440x1440 seems to be the new standard, even for ridiculously sized displays like 40" and above. Thx and take care!

Chris Rijk

In your opinion, what would make for the better “mid-range GPU” for the average gamer - a 12GB model with great RT performance or a 16GB model with average RT performance (other things being equal)? Let’s do the same for a “high-end GPU” - which would be better for gamers, a 16GB model with great RT performance or a 24GB model with average RT performance (other things being equal)? Personally, I’d go for more VRAM in the mid-range scenario and more RT performance in the high-end scenario as I see VRAM as more of a necessity but RT as more of a luxury - would you agree? PS To be clear, this is not intended to be an Nvidia vs AMD question.

Resident Mexican

Hello Tom and Tim, I've been thinking for a while now that Nvidia would've really had slam dunk this generation of only they would've matched AMD with vram at the same pricing tier (i.e. 4080 24gb, 4070 ti 20 gb, and 4070 16gb). I feel like with these vram amounts with the same pricing as now, there wouldn't be a real conversation as to which manufacturer's cards you should buy. Do you agree with this or is this wishful thinking on my end wishing that Nvidia wasn't stingy with vram? You guys do excellent work and I hope you continue to keep making excellent content and improve further!

10GHz Netburst

Why do you think the "big 4" of motherboard vendors fail so consistently in providing well functioning software?

Chris Rijk

If you went back to being an ordinary consumer, would you be an early adopter of new PC hardware and software? To me it seems better to wait a few months at least as you can avoid the early adopter tax and also initial bugs and performance issues.

Shadhahvar

Hi Tim/Tom, I'm a graphic artist who relies on gpus to get my work done. But since I got my lg c2 oled TV, my more-than-enough Nvidia gtx 1080 has given me nothing but constant flickering issues in photoshop to the extent I'm nearly positive my next gpu will be from team red. I've been through an abundance of threads detailing this specific issue (apparently unsolved for years now) and I just have to wonder is Nvidia as committed to professional consumers as people tend to believe they are?

bigboss69

I belive this is because nvida cards under 30 series dont have hdmi 2.1. I had to switch from a 2070 super to 3080 ti to solve this (and retain hdr at 120hz)

Shadhahvar

Thanks for the reply. Yeah it does seem to be something to do with hdmi 2.1, I just don't understand how it only affects photoshop or why it couldn't be fixed if my games can work without the same problem

Maciej Michalak

Hi Tom and Tim, as someone with an old ASUS pg27q, a 1440p 144hz monitor, would you recommend upgrading it now or is there no point in doing so yet? Are the improvements in image quality noticeable enough to warrant an upgrade? I own a PC with a 5600x and a 4070 and play mainly singleplayer games. Love the podcasts, cheers from Poland.

Reginald Aryee

Do you feel like the adoption of 1440p and 4k monitors is slower than you expected? Considering how cheap monitors have become, do you feel that buying a new 1080p monitor today is 'not the best decision'? Under what conditions would you suggest buying a 1080p monitor over a 1440p monitor?

Joe Shmoe

What's the point in buying a high refresh rate 4k monitor and running ray tracing on new AAA single player titles, it seems as though even a 4090 struggles to reach 60hz in these situations let alone 100hz plus in high fidelity games.

Gus

Hi Tom and Tim, what do you think about the Asus Rog ally? Are you going to review it?

otiv lcurtš

Hello Tim and Tom, Dear Tim, how come more companies havent tried to imititate Zowie's Black Frame insertion monitors? Will the tech ever get included in non-TN panels, or is there a design reason it can't be?