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Behind the Scenes of Intel Alder Lake Leaks (Patreon)

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2023-05-29 22:08:28
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In our last set of Die Shrink polling, one type of subject matter that you all seemed to have a lot of interest in was "behind the scenes" episodes that gave you all a sneak peak into the leaking process of something that has long since ended...how about Alder Lake?

There's no doubt that the "Whispers of Golden Cove" Video was one of those early leaks that truly put MLID on the map in a big way that made this channel stand out, and there is definitely a story to tell here!

So - ask away!  Feel free to ask about what lead the MLID team to get early info, what we thought about it, what info we doubted, what we go wrong...and honestly if you submit quickly, Tom may even look up old conversations with sources to answer specific questions you have about its hype and development! 

Here are some key leak videos for those who want a reminder on the journey:

Original Golden Cove Leak: https://youtu.be/A2BLLBSd3Yc

Alder Lake + SPR Leak: https://youtu.be/GqErX7VkitI

IPC and MTL for ADL Mobility Confirmed: https://youtu.be/wvKCQTWEep0

Exclusive 8+16 Raptor Lake Leak: https://youtu.be/YCRoo0tqJL4

i5-12600K Performance Leak: https://youtu.be/Yk-6Fe0nkvs

ADL Launch Analysis Video: https://youtu.be/BdRxXRRrJeU

Unfortunately, this week is a tight time crunch before Tom & Dan go on vacation...so you only have ~2.5 hours to submit before we record.

Comments

Keakum

Hi Tom and Dan, what part of getting the bigLittle, heterogeneous architecture to happily work gave Intel the most problems. Was it a factor in node delays or did node delays add challenges to the architecture itself.

Kinihun25

How tom and Dan what are you thoughts on the low midrange of Intel cpus. Recent bought my friend a 13400F for $175 for her pc and shocked that we are getting this level of performance at sub $200. If Only GPUs followed the same trend.

10GHz Netburst

How do you see your confidence having changed as to whether Intel can follow up Alder Lake with further gen on gen improvements? Do you think Intel is really in a better spot today than in the end of 2019 when you got the first Alder Lake and Golden Cove info? Raptor Lake is unspectacular in every regard aside from power draw, Meteor Lake is going the same path as the small Ice Lake parts, and Sapphire Rapids is basically as delayed as Ice Lake was. On top of that, Intel is now feeling the financial crunch of a lukewarm economy and the decade they sat on their hands... Are there any major take-aways from the Alder Lake arc that you will be looking for as pointers for Intel succeeding or failing to pull through this period.

Prior is the theme 999

Hello Tom and Dan, pertaining to Alder Lake, what were your initial thoughts of the big little design when you caught wind of it from your sources?

jedi95

How confident was Intel internally about the success of Alder Lake? Did the engineers believe they had a winner, or were there significant concerns about using hybrid cores?

TechnoLadz

Hey Tom + Dan. Just rewatching the video about the early Golden Cove leak; and it said “Zen 4 won’t be due until Late 2021”, and it just made me think “Damn, those were the days.”, it just made me think; Alder Lake/Golden Cove was only delayed by ~6 months, whereas Zen 4 was delayed by a full year. So, I have two questions about this then: 1. If Zen 4 had been on time; would’ve we had seen X3D on Zen 3 scrapped, and it had just solely been on Zen 4? (Or could 3D Cache had been scrapped altogether?). And 2. Why did that hidden delay go so unseen by the radar of the many; considering most people bash Intel for delaying products, but when AMD delays something, it’s not as big of a deal. Thanks for reading this question, and I await your response.

Shadhahvar

Hi Dantom Inc.! What would you say are the top three "tells" you look for when vetting the info in a leak? Corroboration? Mathematically sound scaling? Please tell!

Chris Rijk

When did Intel realise that AVX-512 was broken and how much effort did they put in to trying to fix it?

TechnoLadz

Also, second comment. What would’ve the two other Golden Cove variants performed like? How much better would’ve 7nm (“Intel 5”) Golden Cove had been? Or how much worse would’ve 14nm++++++ Golden Cove would’ve been? Obviously it must’ve been quite a bit worse; otherwise they could’ve used it for their 6+0 and 4+0 dies, to help save cost.

Chris Rijk

Was there ever any alternative designs for ADL that were all P cores or all E cores?

Chris Rijk

Are you aware of any discussion about the size and manufacturing costs of ADL? Or putting it another way, were there any concerns about price competitiveness against Zen or the profitability of the ADL design?

Ryzza5

Have you ever had a close call with letting something out that maybe you later felt you shouldn't have?

Dr Forbin

Obvious question is why the name golden cove?

GrandDemand

Hey Tom, bit of a more general question but how do you vet your sources? How has this process changed for you over time? Feel free to reveal as much or as little as you'd like 👍

Prior is the theme 999

How do you meet sources and find out whether they are legit or not? Do they come to you? Do you send out emails or scream into the ether till someone reaches out? Especially curious about the early days before you were known to be a leaker. How did you find and build relationships with sources?

Prior is the theme 999

Have you gotten in trouble with sources leaking something too early or something you shouldn't have all together? Or is there redundant checks and messages clarifying what can and can't be said before the video is released, or do sources see the video beforehand as a last measure?

Alex Sloter

Hi Tom and Dan, this is the only source of leaks I trust and follow. It is plain to me that you prioritize trust with your audience and truthfulness of your information over hype to drive growth. However, I would think that there has to be a tension between being the first to leak something and knowing that the information you have is correct. How do you balance that tension and what helps you decide when it is the right time to leak something?