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Vampire Diaries 3x11 Full (Patreon)

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2026-01-07 15:44:17
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2026-01-28 19:37:49
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This might be the best version of Stefan! The bigger villain!

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Gianna

morning!

victoria t

Damon’s got Elena all in a tizzy 😂😈 And Tay caught that Elena said vampires, PLURAL!!!! Elena’s just in denial about it but that was a slip on her part

Nyia

Before the whole Stefan and Elena situation, I actually loved that scene between him and Klaus, and Stefan be-heading a hybrid!! He definitely cooked with that one!! And Stefan knows Klaus admires him so much that he wouldn’t kill him for that. And Wellz u crazy for loving Stefan like this😣😅

ashley kuate

i dont see how anybody could ship stelena after what stefan did or even frame stefan as "good" when he just as bad as damon

Ashley Cruz

I wanna see if they critique this as MUCH as they do for the things Damon has done , what Stefan did in that scene was DISGUSTING , you healed her from that trauma just to take her back there to RELIVE it for revenge ?

Chase

Stefan on demon 😈 time 😂

Ashley Cruz

He definitely traumatized her , that was so horrible of him

ashley kuate

they not they will be hypocritical its so annoying

Nyia

Everytime I re-watch this I always think how Stefan could've threatened Elena's life in any other way and it would've worked on Klaus just the same... He CHOSE the bridge, like, WTF my dude, u saved her for one, and now u brought her back to relive it, to where her parents died!! If I was Elena I would have punched him. And I feel like Elena’s love for Stefan was just never the same after that. Stefan, humanity or not, pushed her too far. And yall think that’s MVP material?!

KlausTop1

Honestly both Damon and Stefan don’t deserve her.

ashley kuate

i've been saying lol, but this is a teen drama tv show so shipping is expected

Ashley Cruz

This was horrible of Stefan , all his praisers need to bash him just as equally as they do Damon cause THIS ? Disgusting

ashley kuate

Klaus asking Caroline if she really thinks that low of him like he hasn't been terrorizing everyone since his arrival is just hilarious i CANNOT with this man lmao

victoria t

This is the first Caroline x Klaus scene, right???

Shaydo

Klaus getting Tyler to bite her just to rizz her up is hilarious lmao

Nyia

Yes

ashley kuate

stefan forced his blood in elena mouth just as damon did in season 2. stefan not a saint.

KadeTheGreat

Yea but he’s never did anything towards Caroline 👀

victoria t

I can’t with Wellz… iykyk 😂😂

Bruce Ray

y'all act like y'all never seen an original push up on a baddie before. I don't get the confusion lmao. And P.S. I told you it would get ugly with Stefan. Good Luck with what happens next lmaoo...

Sasha smith

There is no way Tay was still defending Stefan in this one hahaha, her completely giving Damon a hard time for 3 seasons and says barely anything about Stefan (especially in this ep) about his behaviour, also this ep showed how Elena's feelings are becoming stronger for Damon and she cant just push it under the rug and forget about it, love this ep <3

Ashley Cruz

Girl im sorry i love yall reactions but you’re quick to judge Damon for any little thing he does as well as his other fans , but stefan takes Elena to the bridge she got traumatized on , saved her from that trauma & then traumatized her again .. she goes “omggggggg stefannn” like ??

Marquis

“Klaus is actually a simp” storyline activated. My boy don’t play about that blonde white woman you hear me 🗣🗣😂😂

Ashley Cruz

THANK YOU HE CHOSE , his fans always make excuses for this & it disgust me , he could’ve just fed her blood & threatened to snap her neck INSTEAD he took her to the bridge where her parents died & was gonna do it in the exact same way , disgusting

Ashley Cruz

BOW , you ate this comment I swear , all the Stefan fans QUIET

tayscupofjoe

I love Stefan so it’s hard to watch, I explain that in the end and how I know what he’s doing is wrong. Im just sad this is how far he gone he is

tayscupofjoe

Loyal to the soil! I feel like since we saw how him being this way unfolded I feel bad that it got to this. Don’t get me wrong I’m aware it’s wrong- I say that by the end of this or the next episode but it’s hard to watch. My character fav isn’t just gonna switch. I’m tryna see it through! Damon is still my next fav tho I got love for both 😊

tayscupofjoe

I’m trying to stick it out! Idk how much I have in me but we’re not wavering yet 😭😂

mima

He killed her boyfriend lol

KlausTop1

Klaus falling in love with high schoolers 😭

tayscupofjoe

Hypocritical?😂 Joel is always defending Damon, I defend Stefan. Even when Damon did bad he defended him DOWN. As Damon fans know that’s what happens when you pick a side 🤷‍♀️

M

then by your logic no one should ship her with damon either lol

M

stop listening to the Damon fans lol. Anything that Stefan has done, Damon has literally done and 10 times worse, including forcing Elena to drink his blood for his own selfish reasons. At least Stefan is doing it because he WANTS Elena to hate him.

M

everytime I see the Klaus x Caroline storyline startup, I'm always reminded that Klaus' actor asked the producers to pair him romantically with Bonnnie, and instead they handed him to the blonde white woman.

Jasmine Reigns

All the Damon stans in the comments wanting Tay to bash Stefan to the level they did 🤣🤣 Tay literally explains what Stefan did was wrong , like what else do you want?? 😭 I can’t with yall

ashley kuate

girl what??? stefan was confirmed to be ten times worse then damon and got more bodies then him. Stefan also force elena with his blood yall stefan fans make no sense

M

Fun Fact about Season 3 that I don't think anyone has noticed yet, but Bonnie and Damon hardly interact at all this season and that's purposeful. The producers during season 2 felt the actors had too much "chemistry" and that it would distract from the stelena vs delena love story, so they separated them for almost all of season 3.

Sasha smith

I get that however he was also the original villain out of the brothers for years haha, can't dislike Damon if you don't dislike Stefan with the same things, I get its hard to see your favourite character take this route, ahhh can't wait for you to see the upcoming eps, love both of your reactions <3

Nyia

Thank u!!! Even if I love Stefan as a character, I’m the type of person who can criticize and admit his faults. Same for Damon, Others will be bias AF.

tayscupofjoe

I definitely noticed it a bit but wow that makes sense! That chemistry in season 2 went crazyyy

Andrea Dcosta

Love you guys. I'm a Damon lover and mainly Defan lover - the bros over any ship Any freaking time. still saying it here don't get affected by some comments you stand your ground. Also this is just a show relax they can like who they want to... just enjoy the ride and enjoy their reactions don't be mean here.. there is enough hate already in this world and this ain't real their fictional characters. Can't wait for the next one ❤️

ashley kuate

Tay, I get what you’re saying. I was also pointing out that I didn’t like how Joel was being biased and glazing Damon, even as a Damon fan myself. But after what Stefan did in this episode, it really feels like this is who Stefan truly is. He shouldn’t still be treated as the “good” brother while Damon is labeled as worse, especially when Stefan himself and even the fandom has acknowledged that Stefan is actually worse.

Nick

Fun fact, the woman that plays Meredith Fell was married to Stefan in real life during this show! They were married for a few years

KlausTop1

You guys have been introduced to the second most popular vampire diaries ship Klaroline.

Dwayne Townsend

This episode was lowkey meant to also show maybe klaus does have the capacity to care about somethings and some people

tayscupofjoe

Honestly yes 🫶 I’m enjoying getting into the place where the brotherhood is stealing the show and really appreciating them both together. Thank you!

Dwayne Townsend

I’m all for klaus visiting Caroline 😌 team Klaroline 🤷🏾‍♂️

KlausTop1

Klaroline is definitely the worst Klaus ship in the verse

Ashley Cruz

No I completely understand that , it’s your fav character so it’s hard to see that he is in fact just as bad as the others , so I get it lolll but his fans always find a way to excuse this

Ashley Cruz

The way that yall over do it & explain how Damon is “wrong” & never stop talking about it or let him live it down is what we want .. actually !

Ashley Cruz

She’s also a main character in pretty little liars

Patreonsubscriber52

Hot take: Stefan actually learned to beat the villain you got to be the better villain from Damon.

Fatoumata Diallo

Right, re-watching this back gives you a whole new perspective on both relationships.

Ashley Cruz

Mind you the write of this show said out of her own MOUTH Stefan is worse than Damon & this proves our point about you delulu stefan fans

Ashley Cruz

They make no sense at all , 🤣

M

the difference is that stefan did it because he wanted to get back at klaus, AND because he knew it would get elena to hate him. Damon did it because he was being selfish and didn't want Elena to die even though Elena herself said she would prefer to die over being a vampire. Same action, two different motivations.

Ashley Cruz

It’s not that he “unfolded” this way this is the REAL him klaus just brung it out , his humanity is indeed on

Ashley Cruz

Literally this ! Love them tho but let’s be fair girly

Ashley Cruz

When Stefan does it for revenge tho it’s “poor stefan” when Damon does it cause HE DONT WANT HER TO BE SACRIFICED , he the most horrible guy in the world

Jasmine Reigns

Ashley, the thing is you guys want someone who’s watching the show for the first time to react and have opinions that aligns with yours. Tay has stated multiple times when Damon is wrong or in the right, same with Joe , he says when Stefan does wrong or right. The difference is they see the motivation behind the characters decisions. I hope this makes sense

Ashley Cruz

Bro they be BIAS ASF , it’s so sick , like that’s what I hate the most about this show Stefan fans are delulu ! I am a Damon fan through & through but I can hold him accountable !!! Stefan fans always fake hold him accountable then give a million excuses as to why he did it 🤣

Ashley Cruz

I love Stefan too tho I just hate the saint narrative he gets it’s bs

Ashley Cruz

Yupppp ! Literally the most second shipped in the series

ashley kuate

😭😭she made sure she thought she was slick idk how Matt didn’t caught onto that cause we sure did

Jasmine Reigns

And on One tree hill as Nannie Carrie

Ashley Cruz

They don’t have to align but he fair when it’s Damon it’s “omg he’s so horrible for that , I can’t believe this” & it’s carried on for EPISODES when Stefan does something its “omg poor stefan” and we never hear of it again .

Ashley Cruz

He could’ve choose any way to threaten Elena , motivation being revenge right ? He chose her life over revenge .. but it’s Stefan so it’s okay

ashley kuate

ashley you are not the only one. As a Damon fan I can admit Damon be pissing me off but Stefan fans just act like he’s good just because that’s what the show label him as. He’s bad just as Damon.

ashley kuate

same...i'm not even tryna come for Stefan like that because I actually like him. the hypocrisy is what annoys me

Nyia

Thank u!!! But it doesn’t help that Stefan said himself he was the “good brother” in season 1. Like bro no u are not, just accept that fact u are just like Damon even worse. Not just the fans who think that.

Jasmine Reigns

Correct me if I’m wrong , the last time I could remember them saying Damon was horrible was when he killed Jeremy because Elena chose Stefan, they say “poor Stefan” when he was under Klaus’s thumb. Yes there were other ways to get Klaus to back down but this was the most drastic and emotionally tied to Elena’s trauma Stefan literally said “your fear had to be real” and I’m not saying what he did was right at all of course if I was Elena I’d never speak to him again

ashley kuate

KM, you are way too obsessed with dragging Damon like it’s your full time job. Nobody cares about the “different motivations” argument because the action was still disgusting, point blank. Stefan almost killed Elena and purposely retraumatized her just to get back at Klaus that’s not noble, that’s cruel. And stop acting like Klaus forced him, because he didn’t. Klaus gave Stefan a choice and Stefan made one. Both brothers are evil in their own ways, so this constant Stefan praising while acting like Damon is the only villain is tired and delusional. Hold them both accountable or stop talking.

ashley kuate

jasmine we not trying to get her opinions to align with ours but it’s the fact that Stefan did the same thing as Damon in s2 ep20 and even Stefan fans said they didn’t like Stefan in this episode but people are still defending him and not acknowledging what he did was wrong but hate Damon for the stuff he did but Stefan confirmed to be worse.

Jasmine Reigns

Ashley K, I understand where you’re getting at , the difference between Damon 2x20 & Stefan 3x11 is Damon didn’t have control of the situation, he fed her his blood knowing she was going to die either way no if ands or buts; while Stefan fed her his blood and and had control of the situation of her dying or not by his hands. Both wrong simple as that!

ashley kuate

As a Damon fan, I have to say this: if you’re willing to excuse Stefan for all the same mistakes Damon made, then everything Damon did that upset you doesn’t really matter. Defending Stefan in those moments makes your criticism of Damon feel hypocritical, because you’re holding one brother accountable while letting the other off the hook 🔥.

ashley kuate

I thought it was 1. Delena 2. Stelena 3. Klaroline

Static

Let tay defend Stefan still… Damon literally killed Jeremy without knowing about the ring on his finger haha

tayscupofjoe

He worked hard to change the “real” (vampire) him because he didn’t like it. He’s a vampire and we know that comes with a whole new personality so ???? Him working hard to not be the unfortunate real him (due to circumstances out of his control) is something important to his character. He wanted better for himself

Nick

I think the love between Damon and Elena at this point in the series goes so much deeper than Katherine and Damon ever did because Elena actually makes Damon a better and mature man. With Kat, Damon was a clingy kid and wasn’t truly ready for a relationship but Elena changed everything for him, especially because she’s a deep empath unlike Kat and represents his humanity that he tried to suppress for so long! He doesn’t want to rush into things with Elena, and he doesn’t get territorial and resentful like he was with Kat. There’s just a deeper connection and you can sense it the second they start to interact. Their chemistry buildup is insane and I feel like that’s why so many TVD fans ship them

ashley kuate

you thought u did something with this nb defending Damon on that one. Stefan also force Elena blood and all that anger Stefan felt when Damon did it doesn’t matter anymore cause he did the same thing WITH HIS HUMANITY ON. Yall hypocritical anyways atleast Joel is not.

tayscupofjoe

I think we’ve let go of the good brother/ bad brother narrative. Both have their issues, we like em both! Enjoying entering the brotherhood arc of the show

tayscupofjoe

I can’t wait to rewatch, I’m sure by the end we’ll be looking at things in a different light

ashley kuate

Tay!! You don’t have to look at things different light it’s okay to be team Stefan but we’re saying Stefan is bad.

Jéssica Lima

I still haven’t watched the reaction yet, but knowing which episode it is and skimming through some of the comments, I wanted to come here and talk from the perspective of someone who loves Stefan — while trying to be as neutral as possible — and also as someone who’s watched the show multiple times. I saw some people in the comments saying that if Damon is judged for something, then Stefan has to be judged the exact same way for the same thing. And that’s just not true. It can be, but it all depends on perspective and personal taste. I don’t really like Damon that much. I don’t hate him, I think he’s funny sometimes, but overall I find him kind of boring for my taste. Meanwhile, I LOVE Klaus. He’s a thousand years old, so obviously he must have done terrible things — and he did terrible things — and I still love him. Why? Because I like his story, his personality, the actor, I resonated with the character. The same goes for Stefan. I love him because I like the character and his story. I find his potential hero/villain duality incredibly interesting. I like how hard he tries to be a good vampire. He’s intense but gentle, loyal, and above all else: he will always choose Damon. (This is a very sensitive point for me and I won’t go deeper because of spoilers, but we’ve seen many times that this is true — he will always choose Damon.) So for me, Klaus and Stefan are my favorite characters. They’re very different, but also very similar in many ways. I love their dynamics, their development, and their stories. But I don’t really like Damon, and it makes absolutely no sense for me to judge Klaus or Stefan using the same “scale” I use to judge Damon — because that scale doesn’t exist. We’re always going to prefer one character over another, and that’s okay. Klaus/Stefan did horrible things, and yes, I’m still going to love them. I’ll acknowledge the bad things they did, but no, I won’t judge them the same way I judge a character I don’t really like. Everyone watches the show, everyone saw what the characters did. Some things are obviously wrong, others people will justify or condemn — totally normal. Everyone has their own taste, and no one should be forced to treat their favorite character the same way they treat a character they don’t like. I watch a lot of reactions because I love the show and I love seeing people discover that it’s way more than just a love triangle. But what I see the most in comments is people constantly trying to reinforce the triangle and pit the brothers against each other. Most reaction channels I’ve seen prefer Damon. I’ve never stopped watching because of that. But then the comments are always tearing Stefan apart, saying the reactor is “totally right,” that Stefan is a hypocrite, and so on. Basically, the summary is: if someone prefers Stefan, they’re hypocrites. That makes no sense. It’s a TV show. Everyone is going to prefer a character and react differently to their actions. A few years ago, I watched another channel reacting to a different show. She was Team Damon/Delena, so she justified everything Damon did, and it was extremely rare to see negative comments on her videos. Then, in another reaction (different show), a character did something very similar to something Damon had done in TVD (spoilers, so I won’t say what). She gave her opinion, completely trashed the character, said he was toxic, and that there was no way to ship him with the girl after that. People who had watched her TVD reactions went to the comments and pointed out that it was basically the same thing Damon had done, saying she was being hypocritical. Her response was simple: she said she didn’t need to explain herself — she likes Damon and doesn’t like the other character. And that’s exactly the point. It doesn’t have to make sense. You don’t have to use the same standards or the same measurements for every character. No one is obligated to like Damon, no one is obligated to like Stefan, and no one is obligated to criticize or defend characters with the same intensity. Sorry for the long text — I just wanted to give examples of why this whole “use the same scale for every character” argument makes no sense. Everyone has their preferences, and that’s totally fine. I’m actually really happy lately because I’ve been finding more reactions from people who prefer Stefan, but the comments turn into a war over it, and that honestly scares me a bit. Like I said: it doesn’t make sense. Everyone likes who they like, and everyone uses different standards to judge characters — that’s completely normal. I hope I managed to explain my point and my perspective on this specific topic lol 😅

Static

Youre right which is why I’ll still defend Stefan on this one cuz his humanity isn’t all there meanwhile Damon does it all with his humanity in tact

tayscupofjoe

Jessica you did that. I really appreciate your comment! A very solid reminder. Thank you.

nah

It’s hard I very much understand and agree with the reason Elena sent Jeremy away. But he deserves to have a choice everyone does. If it were Elena being sent away she would not want to go either.

Serori

Probably my top 3 scenes of this entire series I love how far Stefan did and was willing to go because he didn’t say he wouldn’t have done it just that basically she should be lucky that he backed down Damon is my favorite character but I’d be damned if I could ever hate Stefan

tayscupofjoe

Agree with this for sure Nick! The slow build is crazyyy.

ashley kuate

Stefan humanity is on doing all this idk why u thought u ate with that one 🤣🤣

Kim Cottingham

Wow. You said that perfectly and I agree!!

Static

I just said it’s not all there not that it’s not on he’s focusing on rage towards klaus rn… like Damon said it’s dimmed 😂

Kim Cottingham

Paul Wesley loved playing this Stefan. I liked it too

Serori

Why do people in the comments with this whole situation keep forgetting that Stefan was forced to flip his switch and even if now he has his emotions back on and I say if ya act like ya haven’t seen this show that when you flip your emotions back on you focus on one feeling he’s not like Damon who Damon since the start of the show has not had his switch flipped and still made the active choice to do everything he’s done up to this point Stefan is worse than Damon and that’s what I love about him personally the difference is when he has his own choices he tries his hardest to be the best that he can be but everyone on this show are terrible people it’s just how much terribleness can you tolerate from each of them

kai

and so klaroline begins 😝

Ashley Cruz

Exactly ! & that’s all I’m saying

mima

Stay strong, Tay🙌 I like how much you care about Stefan, and I really admire that you don’t change your preferences just because people are bashing you here. Personally, I like Stefan more than Damon, and I love love Klaus. I know they’ve both done a lot of terrible things, but honestly, I don’t care, I just love them. At the end of the day, it’s simply a matter of preference. This is a TV show where there are no saints. Every character has done questionable and terrible things at some point.In this kind of story, it’s not about who always does the right thing it’s about which character you personally connect with. Your feelings don’t suddenly change just because someone made bad choices, especially when they all have both good and bad sides. That’s why having a preference for one brother over the other is completely normal. For us as viewers, it really comes down to personal preference, and I don’t understand why people are attacking you for defending Stefan. I’m with you.

Ashley Cruz

Yes it’s the hypocrisy for me too ! Cause I love Stefan & I love that they showed the real him but let’s be fair

Lace King

Cuz Stephan didn’t care anymore and why would he?

Tjbosslyfe

Didn't mention this last episode. The Doctor she the crazy nanny from One tree hill . If you know you know . 😂

ashley kuate

Nanny Carrie😭😭😭got me like ariana what are you doing here when I watched the first time lmao??

Tjbosslyfe

The nanny an Peyton psycho fake brother . Creepy characters for sure .

ashley kuate

I kinda want them to watch one tree hill lol. But that won't even be a possibility for a WHILE cause they still have to do the originals

Tjbosslyfe

It's taye favorite show she already seen it . But I would be down for a rewatch one day .

Vigorous Strongs

Tay and Joe, fun fact.. Did you know that Torrey DeVitto (Dr. Meredith Fell) was once married to Paul Wesley (Stefan) in real life?

Amber Augustine

I feel so bad for Elena, she had survivors guilt going over that bridge where her parents died, and Stefan force feeding her blood to get back at klaus was so messed up. I can't even imagine the pain and trauma she was going through.

Amber Augustine

“It’s right, just not right now.” It’s such a good line from damon. He’s telling her that he is willing to wait for her, however long she needs. You can tell that Elena wanted to kiss him at the porch, but she’s saying no right now. There is mutual feelings between them and it’s so obvious.

Amber Augustine

Bold of Klaus to act like a savior when he was the reason Tyler bites Caroline and almost gets her killed on her birthday. It’s so wild of him to do that. 😭

Tjbosslyfe

Klaus is high level Hybrid vampire . Tyler don't have the mental powers to resist Klaus . Klaus gave a grin at the end of that scene with Tyler . He knew Tyler could resist but the audience didn't . Then Klaus coming to Caroline to help. Klaus is a chess 10 moves ahead villain . When he don't outsmart you . He to strong for you to beat . He's a final boss all the way .

Tjbosslyfe

Good or bad . Stefan was always worst than Damon . Stefan real colors came out this episode. More clean up for Damon .

Tjbosslyfe

Stefan get a clue protect Elena . Stefan so short sided . Because he treated Elena bad . When he didn't have a choice . Now he does . Stefan had to abandon his principles to be cool. That's why it's not respected . Team Damon all day .

ashley kuate

I was always confuse with KLAUS during that cause how are you gonna put the heart to heart convo on when your the reason she got bit. 🤣KLAUS and Damon are similar they do stuff then be acting all hearty.

Tjbosslyfe

Klaus a diabolical villain . Getting Tyler to bite Caroline. Then having a teary eyed heart to heart with her . Klaus is definitely a complex character.

ashley kuate

but what’s with all these excuses the man is still bad y’all know this is who Stefan really is right? He hides behind a mask and act all good. Weird for yall to say this is fake Stefan when this is actually him that he’s been hiding meaning his “good” person is not real.

Tjbosslyfe

Had to download that song at the end . Vampire diaries has a underrated soundtrack. Smallville too .

ashley kuate

💯I never got the klaroline ship.

Tjbosslyfe

Stefan punching to the clouds trying to go toe to toe with Klaus .

Tjbosslyfe

Season 3 strong . But with this new plot at the end . First watch I was like we already have enough going on . Now it's a mystery show . Season 3 was a crowded season storyline wise .

Thelivingworst

He does like his women a little more seasoned

Pandrix

Are you also gonna defend Stefan as a ripper knowingly having his humanity on? Double standards is crazy.

Pandrix

Jasmine Stefan was literally going to drive her off the bridge HIMSELF. Damon wasn’t going to do that so yes it’s NOT the same situation, also Damon did it knowing she WAS in fact gonna die either way. You’re appealing to false logic on this one

Static

Nah I’m only defending him for this episode 😂 yall making me seem like I’m on team Stefan both him and Damon ain’t good people haha I’m more of a Damon fan and I’m defending Stefan for this ep

Jasmine Reigns

But he didn’t, that’s my point, he literally stated that her fear had to look real. He pushed the limit for Klaus and played on Elena’s trauma. And either way you put it both brothers were wrong in their respective situation. And you’re saying Damon wasn’t going to do that , no but he did kill her brother for not having feelings for him at that time though. gave Elena his blood knowing she was going to die saying “at least I’ll know you’ll come back” as a vampire! What’s the false logic here?

john segun doe

Wellz lmaooo. This one of the most badass Stef moments in the show. Bro said FUCK IT ALL after realizing it was up for him and Elena way back when. "I lost you the min I left town with him" hit hard. Great writing. Damon had a hell of a line too tho, throwin maaaad game "No it's right, just not right now". THATS A LINE. Shit too PEAK, bruh im waiting on Original lore eps tho frfr

john segun doe

The begining of Klaroline shouts lol. I remember when I first watched this I NEVER thought Klaus was gonna come back and heal Caroline, himself no less and then have a super intimate moment with her. This show and especially The Originals really knows how to make characters layered and complex. It's JOSEPH FUKN MORGAN IN THIS BIH, STOP PLAYIN

Heinz Giusepp

Damon will always be the best choice

Pandrix

lol you’re appealing to ignorance here. He only stops once Klaus intervenes, and even then it’s portrayed as an act of cruelty and psychological manipulation focused on Elena’s trauma and grief. Stefan purposely recreates the circumstances of her parents death. That’s not “acting like it had to look real”, it was real danger. He didn’t finish the act, but he fully intended to go through with it if Klaus didn’t stop him, the fact he stopped is because Klaus ordered him to, it doesn’t make it less wrong or real. It’s like saying an attempted murder isn’t that bad because the victim lived. The difference is Damon is condemned for that and Stefan isn’t you’ve proven my point, you’ll always go back to what “Damon did” seasons ago but never what Stefan did now or even in the past. I could bring up how he killed families and kids with his humanity on but you don’t see me doing that do you.

Jasmine Reigns

lol all I’m saying is both of them are wrong, Stefan obviously is wrong! It all comes down to the first thing I said “what do yall want” besides saying that THEY BOTH DO WRONG. It’s an endless cycle with Damon and Stefan fans

ashley kuate

How are you more a Damon fan and defending Stefan on this you Make absolutely no sense. I don’t know any Damon fans who are defending Stefan for re-traumatizing his “girlfriend.” Like ichigoat said the double standard is crazy Stefan literal just did the same thing Damon did in 2x20 and he was mad about that so his angry don’t matter anymore. Like I said Damon fans admit that Damon wrong but yall Stefan fans act blind like he’s not bad.

Mnewmoon

What’s really happening here with Stefan?? Stefan got his humanity back 2 episodes ago but just like what Damon said it’s on a dimmer switch. Stefan couldn’t have been able to physically do what he is doing now if he hadn’t let himself care, rage is also an emotion, Stefan is focusing all of his emotions on to rage and he’s pushing all of his other feelings away so he wouldn’t have to deal with them at the moment . Choices of the characters are very important in this show so what is he gonna choose to do now? By allowing rage in and not other positive emotions like love, he is literally choosing revenge over love, what Stefan chose to do in this episode is horrible! Putting the girl you love in such a horrible situation, making her relive her worst trauma and threatening to kill her on the very spot she lost her parents was not even an emotional abuse, it was an emotional torture and given the fact he was the one who saved her made this experience even more painful for Elena and shattered the trust she had for him in to billions pieces. He could have chosen any other place, but he specifically chose Wickery bridge to torment her and it was completely calculated and planed out, it wasn’t something that he did at the span of a moment or out of hurt, he simply chose to butcher Elena’s love for him to get his revenge. He said that “destroying Klaus is all I have left“ But is that really true? It’s not like that he is the man who’s left with nothing and no one to care about him so he has no other option but to get revenge, he still has Damon and Elena, just like Elena said he still had Elena because even after everything he’s done, she never gave up on him, she was still fighting for him, so it wasn’t like that there was no love option for him to choose from, he could’ve chosen to come back to her and Damon and they would accept him with open arms but instead he chose this. Klaus couldn’t take love away from him, it’s himself who is literally killing love to get what he wanted, so if it’s not love that Stefan is talking about so what he means when he said klaus took everything from him? Why is he so angry with Klaus? Yes part of the reason is because of how he made him do what he did and triggered the ripper side of him but there is a deeper reason, one of the most important thing to Stefan is his reputation, as someone who was always the chosen one, his parents preferred him, all the girls always chose him, he can’t stand the idea of not being on the spot light anymore, and he thinks Klaus destroyed that, every thing he managed to keep from others specially from his inner circle is right out in the open after what Klaus did to him specially after forcing him to turn off his humanity. Stefan feels like he lost his reputation as a “good brother” and that means he lost every thing. One of Stefan’s weakness is that he can’t accept himself as a whole, he doesn’t wanna accept his flaws and his darkness so he feels like others will not accept that part of him as well, that’s why he tries so hard to hide them from people around him because he thinks people are gonna stop loving him if they discovered that part of him because he himself can’t love himself as a whole and by hiding his darkness he can keep pretending that side of him never existed. Revenge is never the answer , it’s not worth destroying love for it. He needs to Learn the value of love so he needed to make this mistake and faced with the consequences of his choices and learned his lessons the hard way.

stressbean

Klaus to this day my fav character of the TVD verse. He only gets better

Mnewmoon

One thing that I absolutely love about Damon character is that how much he’s respectful towards both Elena and Stefan and how much he’s willing to be patient with her. Elena is in a very vulnerable place right now after what she had to go through tonight and a manipulative person would definitely want to take advantage of this situation, this is a perfect opportunity for him to appear as the “emotional support” she needed at the moment and to use her fragile emotional and mental state to his advantage to present himself as the “better boyfriend” material to her so she would consider dating him and not his brother but Damon did none of that if anything he was super respectful to her and did not want to take advantage of her fragile emotional state that she was in right now. First he even tried to patch things up between her and Stefan and even made Elena look at this traumatising incident from a different and better angle that doesn’t make Stefan the bad guy of the story and the other things he did was that he didn’t kiss her even tho he knew Elena wouldn’t have stopped him and would kiss him back again and the reason he didn’t do that was because he didn’t want to take advantage of her emotional vulnerability at the moment. He respected her too much to even consider that. Elena told Damon not to kiss her not because she didn’t want to because her body language was saying otherwise and her eyes were screaming that she wanted to kiss him as she never stopped starting at his lips in this scene but it was because she knew that if he tried to kiss her, she wouldn’t be able to stop herself and would give in and she was not emotionally ready for that and Damon understood this like Elena was begging him in this scene not to kiss and not to put her in this confusing situation because she had enough and Damon respected that. Damon is willing to give her time and space to be healed so she could be ready to receive the kind of love Damon offers and he’s not trying to rush anything or to put himself in a competition with Stefan because he understands that it’s not about them, it’s about her to be healed after everything that has happened to her and to see even if she wants to consider a romantic relationship in her life at the moment and that’s why this line “it’s right but just not right now” is very powerful and deep. He’s assuring her that them falling in love and wanting to be together is not wrong and it’s not something they should feel guilty about and this is a very mature outlook on life and relationships in general because you cannot help who you fall in love with but at the same time he’s telling her that kissing her in this moment just minutes after what Stefan put her through is wrong and he would not do that. He’s showing her that he’s willing to be patient with her but he will not give up on her either. Damon is the grown man and he knows what he wants, he’s not the type of guy who would beat around the bush, he’s direct about his feelings, his devotion and even the pace he’s willing to take and he tells it exactly as it is and this is what I admire and respect about him a lot.

Pandrix

One thing I feel people have consistently missed is Stefan and Damon are dangerous in fundamentally different ways, and the show has always framed it that way. Damon’s darkness is emotional and reactive. Stefan’s is controlled, ideological, and far colder and that distinction matters. Damon acts when he’s overwhelmed. Fear, grief, jealousy, panic he spirals and makes reckless choices because survival becomes the only thing he can see due to his trauma. When Damon crosses lines, it’s usually loud, impulsive, and followed by guilt. He violates boundaries because he’s terrified of loss, not because he thinks he’s morally justified he is in fact the opposite he is self aware. That doesn’t excuse his actions, but the show consistently frames his worst moments as self-destructive, not righteous. Damon knows he’s wrong he just doesn’t know how to stop when someone he loves is at risk. Stefan, on the other hand, is more dangerous because he can detach with his humanity on or off. When he does something cruel, it’s not an emotional outburst it’s a calculated decision. He convinces himself it’s “necessary,” “strategic,” or “for the greater good.” That’s why moments like the wicker bridge are so disturbing. Stefan didn’t lash out. He methodically retraumatized Elena, using her deepest fear to make a point. That is the definition of cruelty with intent. Humanity off or not, the scene exposes how easily Stefan can prioritize outcomes over people when he believes the end justifies the means. This is also why the whole stigma of “Stefan respects Elena’s autonomy while Damon doesn’t” argument falls apart. Stefan doesn’t respect autonomy when it conflicts with his plan. He just violates it in a quieter, more psychologically devastating way through fear, coercion, and moral pressure. Damon violates autonomy loudly and directly. Stefan does it as well just more subtlely Different methods, same loss of agency. And that’s the real tragedy of both brothers, they are capable of love and harm at the same time. Damon feels too much and acts recklessly. Stefan can shut his feelings off and still function which makes him capable of being more cold, more ruthless, and more cruel. The show isn’t asking you to pick a “good” brother. It’s asking you to stop simplifying them they aren't one dimensional characters. Damon isn’t a monster who doesn’t care about consent, and Stefan isn’t a saint who only hurts people by accident. They are mirrors as Julie Plec said, one ruled by emotion, the other by control and both capable of crossing unforgivable lines when pushed. That’s the nuance people keep ignoring.

Funkystar

Best choice for what?

Funkystar

People need to chill out in these comments man, stop bashing each for liking a character more then another, of course Tay is gonna be bias to Stefan and why wouldn’t she? Same goes for Joe it’s natural behaviour. What’s the deal man? You all did the same thing first time watching and you all keeping doing even if you know it or not it’s nothing earth shattering. This is why fandom and ship are getting out of hand man. Everyone has their opinion and preferences just accept it. Stop making it into war it’s not that deep honestly😬 have a nice conversation without tryna call each other out on human behaviours it’s no explanation for it it’s just natural man. Tryna prove your point with logic is pointless in some moments it’s not hard science, we love who we love, thank you and goodbye just enjoy the reaction and don’t make a big deal out it😭😭

Funkystar

You all want Tay to acknowledge Stefans fault and she does, but then you call her out on being’s hypocrite but i can bet my life you all did the same to your fav character, we all try and justify or save our characters when they do something that is wrong it’s normal stop this behaviour on tryna make people feel bad for reacting a certain way when you all do it🤦🏾‍♂️ it’s stupid and frankly fucking pointless.

Greg Gibson

OMG Once again I love and invested in yall reactions it’s so refreshing and that yall both are genuinely loving the show. Which keeps me excited for the next reaction. And love that yall pay attention to things that aren’t even said but pick up on tones and body language from the characters. SOO EXCITED for yall to experience SOOOOO MUCH MORE From this and THE ORIGINALS. LOVE YALL BOTH AND THANK YOU.💕💕

Fatoumata Diallo

Wow, well said. Great character analysis on the two. Definitely didn’t notice this on my first watch, and it makes their dynamic with Elena and other characters so much more interesting now. The show does a great job with showcasing their humanity and how dangerous vampires can really be.

Fatoumata Diallo

Probably Julie Plec. She had it out for Kat (Bonnie).

Fatoumata Diallo

Agree. There’s literally no “good” or “bad” brother with the siblings, even with Klaus and Elijah. They’re vampires and have killed countless innocent people. None of them are innocent.But we still love the characters and how they’re presented. People have to let go of this idea if they want to enjoy the show

SpikesEcho

If I could screenshot all your condescending and antagonizing responses to people ever uttering a single word that empathizes from Damon's POV, let alone praises him, I would 😂 The Stefan stans are already out here doing PR for their boy, softening and deflecting 🙄

SpikesEcho

You have zero room to talk, you never miss a chance to do that bro

SpikesEcho

Ichigoat PER👏FECT👏LY👏 SAID 👏👏👏👏💯💯 thank you

SpikesEcho

Klaus really creeps me out when he shows up to the Forbes house and interacts with Liz and Caroline. Just such a yucky feeling about all of it, I usually skip that scene. I hope that's not a scene Klaroline people like.....that would really baffle me.

SpikesEcho

Damon's entire S1 story arc is about his humanity switch being off, to dimmer, to on. And people can absolutely have a critical comment or discussion about Stefan's situation and choices.

Funkystar

Nah I don’t really care for any of these ships🤷🏾‍♂️ i always said i prefer Stefan tho but not that much🙃 im not arguing about shit like that😮‍💨 i am a certified elena hatar for sure but the rest i am fine with

SpikesEcho

....that's not how tv works. The performers are acting out what's on the page. The writers can just write them not having much 1:1 dialog while in the same scene, plus the directors direct the performances. This is another one of those fan gossip/rumors that are obviously false because its too ridiculous/defied logic

SpikesEcho

It's an endless cycle of apologetics for Stefan and over-the-top accountability for Damon, guided by overwhelmingly hypocrisy. Then fans pointing out the hypocrisy, followed by Stefan stans in these moments giving soft-ball criticisms (squeaking out a lower-case "he's wrong") just got plausible deniability ("see I can say it, what more do you want"). It's always the same dance.

SpikesEcho

.....ok, again, that's not how tv works. This is yet another fan rumor/gossip. The actors don't get to "request" who their characters are romantically paired with. Nor would any actor (ESPECIALLY not a guest star) ever remotely TRY approaching a writer with such a thing, or ANYTHING about how their character's story should be written.

SpikesEcho

Elena's been in shock, trauma and heartbreak nonstop, all summer with it continuing to escalate into the school year as things got worse with her bf/ex bf situation, compounded by the threats on her life and her family/friends lives. NONSTOP. It was nice to get a little bit of tipsy-Elena with her friends for a moment..... only for her ex to kidnap her and deliver onto her the WORST possible trauma IMAGINABLE for her, SELECTED SPECIFICALLY FOR HER. And that after ALL she did to save him over the summer, the crying over him (the quintisential "dutiful" and loyal girlfriend), the emotional punches she took from him then and after his humanity was turned off, and still fighting for him. And fans still have the nerve to call her names and hate on her for "not being loyal enough" or for possibly having changed feelings for him 🙄🙄🙄 It's absolutely unreal what this girl goes through. All of it is deeply changing her. But unlike one Katherine Pierce, Elena's not one to BECOME her trauma or freeze herself as a permanent victim (Katherine being called a survivor is always a joke to me - that girl very clearly didn't survive at all).

SpikesEcho

Stefan's been making a lot of choices (during his free will with Klaus and after Klaus) that reveal a lot about him

Serori

Damon’s switch was not off that’s the whole point of his story arc for him to stop burying and hiding his emotions but he wasn’t able to do that while he was still longing after Katherine once he was finally able to let her go that’s when he started to see the most growth in his character

ashley kuate

Man I know your not talking..

SpikesEcho

Exactly 💯 I rise at the hypocrisy to point it out. There's nothing more annoying than shifting goal posts and people unable to apply their so-called "principles" across the board. Selective outrage and selective empathy are truly scary things in people.

SpikesEcho

Elena haters are worse than Damon or Stefan haters, because we all know the place inside where your Elena hate comes from.

SpikesEcho

I disagree, Damon's humanity off/dimmer story arc is well documented in S1. We’re shown Stefan believing Damon is still without humanity in episode 3 of S1 (stating it outright) alongside a tease meant to suggest Damon is getting some feelings flickering back inspired by Elena at the end of that episode | We get Damon claiming his humanity is off when talking to Ric about Isobel (the wink to the audience, is that we know it’s more complicated than that for him at this stage, and that’s not the whole truth) | We get Stefan TWICE calling Damon out for “finally willing to feel again” by the end of season 1, due to Elena | And in the season finale, when Damon is starting to allow himself to feel for other people again, like feeling bad for Anna and Jeremy, we get him acknowledging to Jeremy that he spent a very long time with his humanity off. Thus completing his arc in Season 1……..UNTIL the S2 premiere when whatever progress was made comes crashing down and he slams the door hard on feeling anything. Letting go of Katherine is a component of things, especially when it happens in S2, but S1 he's building relationships and community around him by accident, and that's what's turning the tides for him to be more willing to let his humanity in.

Tjbosslyfe

Jeremy was falling apart . Only Team Stefan think he should have stayed. Plus Jeremy not with Bonnie . He got Zero story going on . The show has to write him off lol 😆

Funkystar

No you really don’t!🤷🏾‍♂️ you can’t just make up things about why i dislike a character i have my reason and I didn’t like her past season 3🤷🏾‍♂️ that’s my opinion are you telling I am wrong for having that opinion?

ashley kuate

yall only hate elena for 1 reason and its very funny because yall criticize this girl for having feelings for damon when stefan just tried to kill her.

ashley kuate

i bet you like caroline though. she not any betta!

Funkystar

Not one of my favourite but I don’t mind her, didn’t like how she went from Matt to Tyler but it wasn’t as bad as elena, and she isn’t annoying and making everything about her 80% of the time😭😭 elena is a hypocrite more then anything and very controlling, she has good intentions but if you analyse it with open eyes and notice how often she does it kinda shows that even tho she has good intention there is something selfish and hypocritical about it. And I haven’t even brought up all the things she did wrong. The whole brother thing is 1 reason but as a main character she isn’t very likability once you notice her flaws. I don’t hate but I don’t like very much either. That’s just my and my opinion

ashley kuate

the fact stefan humanity is on doing all this so stefan fans really can't excuse him for this. hes just like damon but confirmed worse!!!!

ashley kuate

I understand what you’re saying, I just think the criticism toward Elena is really uneven. People drag her for “brother hopping,” yet Katherine does the exact same thing loudly, intentionally, and without remorse and she’s called iconic for it. Elena, on the other hand, is a traumatized teenager who’s still figuring out who she is and what she feels while dealing with grief, loss, and constant life-or-death situations. She’s allowed to be confused, especially when one ex literally retraumatized her by nearly driving her off the same bridge her parents died on just to get revenge, even though he had chances to handle things differently. Somehow that part gets glossed over, but the moment Elena develops feelings for Damon, she’s painted as the villain. And honestly, if we’re assigning blame, a lot of the tension between the brothers isn’t on Elena at all Stefan consistently provokes situations and makes reckless choices just like Damon does, but that rarely gets acknowledged. As for Caroline, it’s confusing to me why she’s given so much leniency. She can be just as hypocritical, constantly judging others while later doing similar things herself, and her early behavior is very mean girl, pick-me coded including how she talks about her own mom and other people around her. Elena, for all her flaws, is consistently shown as caring, empathetic, and deeply affected by the harm around her. You don’t have to like her, but the way people vilify Elena while excusing or praising the same behaviors in other characters just doesn’t add up.

Ahan Shankwalkar

Klaus is the best written character in this show.

Mona Bts

Everyone in the comments need to chill😭😭😂😂yall are cooking each other. Anywho, klaus 100% seems to be shooting his shot

Biscuit Bunny

Why do my comments keep getting deleted? Is it because I like Stefan? Lol I thought we were allowed to discuss the show respectfully? This was a great episode! Very emotional. What I have noticed over the years of watching this show, is that most of Stefan fans like Damon and say that often. But, a lot of Damon stans hate Stefan and love to drag anyone who likes him and call them hypocrites. Especially if you make any critiques of Damon. Make it make sense! Neither one of them is a saint! lol And everyone blaming Elena’s “hormones” for her behavior is misogynistic and dumbs her down to someone with no self control. Come on now lol. Give the girl some credit lol. I’m saying this as someone whose faves are Klaus, Katherine, Elijah and Stefan! Stop antagonizing and let’s all ENJOY the show!!!

tayscupofjoe

Hmmm we haven’t deleted anything that’s so weird, I hope no one else has. Moderators only hide spoilers but other than that it shouldn’t be happening!

Biscuit Bunny

Thank you Tay! I love your reactions! I’m glad you both discovered TVD! I will avoid spoilers!

Angel Chatfield

I can't wait until you start watching the originals :) the originals is my fav of the TVD universe, The Vampire Diaries is very close second though.

Angel Chatfield

@ashley kuate i won't stand for Caroline slander especially when she is one of THE best characters (especially as the series goes on).

Michał Masłowski

Well but when people said "Elena make everything about herself" in the end in 80% it's really about her

ashley kuate

“Best characters” NOT!! 🤮 Klaus and Damon is the best characters in the universe in my opinions .

Biscuit Bunny

Lol…I was waiting for this comment! I never said anyone had to like Stefan. I’m talking about what I’ve observed. I didn’t say ALL…and even so, it’s what I’ve seen. But I said a lot more that you ignored so….enjoy the show.

savannah rain

i don’t know if anyone has said but the sire bond doesn’t mean you can’t reuse. you still have verbal free will but physically your body and mind eventually gives in to the order that was given by your sire

savannah rain

ps. i love yalls reactions 🥰!

Pandrix

Pretty sure he says to Alaric his humanity was on a dimmer or something along those lines

Ivy Fowler

When are Yall gonna do episode 12

ashley kuate

they posting it tmr morning at 8am

Loren Garcia-Yut

don't bother replying babe. They clearly didn't read your comment. This is coming from someone who loves both the brothers, so no bias. lol. I get what you mean, Damon fans are just very... passionate <3

Loren Garcia-Yut

The fact that you guys are ignoring that Damon himself agreed with what Stefan did also shows how similar him and Stefan are. They are both the same in many ways. Y'all are just bias and I don't blame y'all cause I'm biased as hell with Stefan too, but C'MON lol.

SpikesEcho

My comment is about ELENA'S EXPERIENCE. And no, Damon appreciated the outcome, but he did not agree with what he did. He actively tried to deter Stefan from messing with Elena. And Stefan had a million ways to try to kill her. There is ZERO support for the choice he made.

SpikesEcho

If your comments disappear, it's because they were spoilery. Moderators do it. Not some "prosecution" for loving Stefan 🙄 But bro why lie..... in all the comment sections for years, I've only ever seen one - possibly two - Damon stans who hated Stefan. It's nearly ACROSS THE BOARD for all Stefan stans to build their fandom off of Damon hate tho. They've corner the market on that 😂 Like this patreon, there isn't a single Damon stan who hates Stefan that I've seen, but at least a few Stefan stans who hate Damon. The only thing I've observed is whenever Stefan is discussed with normal accountability and critical discussion of his more horrific decisions (like Damon regularly receives, justifiably), the Stefan stans take that as oppression and hate 😂 Equality feels like oppression to the privileged 😉

SpikesEcho

If I comment from Elena's experiences/POV ----- Stefan stans: stop hating Stefan! If I comment from Damon's experiences/POV ----- Stefan stans: stop hating Stefan! If I hold Stefan to normal accountability or critically discuss his more horrific decisions (or even bring up his lesser distasteful decisions), the way Damon regularly is, justifiably ---- Stefan stans: stop hating Stefan! 😂😂😂😂😂 It's like when a dominant cult believes they're under constant persecution. Believe it or not, you can love Stefan AND judge him the same way you do everyone else guys. AND he can even be the bad guy in other characters' experiences sometimes. Calm down.

Heatherlicious 82

I love Stefan as well as Damon but Stefan threatening to drive Elena off the wickery bridge was a point where it was hard for me to think of him the same, at least for a little while. Elena at that time didn’t know what he was willing to do. Stefan wasn’t compelled in the beginning.

Łiv~Łiv

I could see how its creepy bc you dont know the intent behind it bc it was a change of klaus personality we are used to, unless it wasn't that, that creeped YOU out

Łiv~Łiv

Caroline, Bonnie, damon, klaus, Hands down best characters in TVD, evb knows how Caroline used to be no one liked her in the beginning and she had character development, she was a teenager her parents were divorced she felt like her mom didn't care abt her she literally said it she felt her mom always focused on work more than trying to fix there relationship that's why after she turned into a vamp and went through that thing with her mom finding out and they had a deep convo anyways Caroline got better, Elena is not a bad person its js that she says and does things that are kinda selfish whilst Caroline got better she js never really learned (I don't know honestly cant really remember later seasons) and it doesn't mean she's bad js not likable same with Damon no one liked him in the beginning neither he got better (he was the villain at first) no one holds Stefan accountable js like elena good intentions but like c'mon klaus dont get me started I HATED HIM HATEDDDD HIM, he got my blood boiling but I love him now he got better as well (from originals) it shows later on I loveee my goat now bc Ik more abt him and bc of originals next, I like elena but she don't be in others peoples shoes most of the time HER HER HER, people like kathrine bc its kathrine ive never heard of someone saying she's iconic for using both of the brothers it was bc she did what she want, got what she want, stood on business, and she was herself thats why people love her people love Caroline bc she's sweet, understanding, and better person now Damon to we got to see more of him back story of his character understand him more, and I cant get to in-depth with klaus rn bc sheesh and it would be spoiling but you do see a little bit of it when it comes to his family and Caroline (sadly)

Łiv~Łiv

and if we wanna speak volumes Elena is so much better than Bella (from the movies) sooo nobody really hate elena it js be frustrating with her

SpikesEcho

The intent behind it, and the manipulation of multiple people to create the contact, is exactly what's creepy

Chloeteele Alton

Even Damon never got that close to killing her . I have siblings that I love if it came down to someone killing them or them hating me for sending them away. I would rather be hated than go to a funeral. It's may be just a tv show but that's my stance on compelling jeremy to leave .

Chloeteele Alton

As a major Damon fan I dont dislike stefan. I personally get annoyed when people excuse stefans bad behavior and condemn Damon for his. Neither brother is innocent or perfect but Damon is my favorite out of the two.