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KlausTop1

The best romantic relationships in the TVDU imo are 1. Damon and Elena 2. Klaus and Cami 3. Hayley and Elijah.

Jennifer

No Bonnie and enzo top Elena and Damon sorry

ashley kuate

I'll never understand why Stefan didn't just shove Rayna away or break her neck. It was absolutely unnecessary to stand in front and take the blow for Damon. I guess it's just for the plot because it was totally avoidable

Halima

My guess is he got stabbed in the split second between showing up and shoving her away since Raina is also fast.

ashley kuate

Definitely agree with the first two, but Hayley and Elijah lost me somewhere along the way

Halima

Beau as a character just makes me laugh bruh. TVD never changes lol

Halima

For me in terms of writing it’s Klaus & Cami, Hayley & Elijah, Stefan & Elena. If we’re talking s1-3 Delena then they’d be up there too but none of the second half of TVD ships are amazing I fear 💀

ashley kuate

Nahh I think they just wanted Stefan to have a matyr moment...again. He could've killed her then transported her body before she resurrected too tbh

KlausTop1

I need to more of them.

KlausTop1

I Elijah and Hayley because their relationship is heartbreaking 🥲

Jennifer

Wait this is so true he could’ve snapped her neck

KlausTop1

@Halima I agree with the first two but Stelena is mid.

Jennifer

Yes Elijah and Hayley are in my top 3 their relationship is honestly gut wrenching

Nyia

Okay Stefan could have snuck behind Rayna and snapped her neck instead of standing there just taking the mark then kicking her🤦‍♀️ I guess it’s the writers way to redeem him…for his behavior lately…

KlausTop1

Delena Season 3 episode 19 kiss clears every Stelena moment in S1-4.

Halima

I mean yeah it’s definitely for the plot 😭 but I don’t think it’s illogical that it happened the way it did.

Nyia

Nahhh Jeremy and Anna were perfect for each other! And Jeremy freakin cheated on Bonnie with a ghost so no😭

ashley kuate

You guys are definitely not the only ones who thought Rayna looked like an Elena wannabe

Jennifer

I really really REALLY hate Alaric in these last two seasons he’s talking about make sure nothing happens to the babies what about Caroline

Nyia

New Orleans?! Is it crossover time?!👀

kai

stefan always in his martyr era and i truly hate that for him

Jennifer

No I don’t feel bad for Stefan he could’ve snapped her neck he just stays making stupid decisions this season

Karol Almeida

Alaric naming the baby Elizabeth makes me so happy 😭

Halima

that shit still makes me sick af 😭 after she brought him back to life too ouuuuu

Karol Almeida

I hate how they keep doing Stefan dirty. MY POOR STEFANNNN

Jennifer

I love how Caroline instantly went to klaus for help in the time skip

Nibrasse_alm

Caroline going to Klaus for help after all this time 😭 i’ll never get over Klaroline

Lisa

It is Stefan and Elena, Klaus and cami and Bonnie and Enzo in my opinion

SpikesEcho

See how the show frames things? Damon is literally there to save Caroline/Stefan from the Huntress. distracting her and sacrificing, but you leave the scene saying "Stefan's suffering again because he was saving Damon". Because Stefan's martyrdom (throughout the entire series) is framed with sympathy and heroics (like adding that slow montage of what he's losing with Caroline and him verbally blaming Damon) vs Damon doing the exact same martyrdom a few episodes ago to save Stefan when Stefan stupidly instigated things with Julian is not ONCE framed as heroic or a sacrifice. It's skipped right by to throw us into a plot about Damon being awful and needing to learn a lesson and be punished. This is how the entire show operates and the audience never recognizes it because of the psychological need to come down on someone established as the scapegoat. To me, this is yet another example of Stefan blaming Damon for all of his problems or struggles when it can't contextually be backed up.

SpikesEcho

The story playing out this season with Damon is literally - traumatic loss of his partner following his heroics that save Bonnie, immediate and nonsensical criticism of his every move following that loss, getting sent to hell after saving his brother in a fight his brother instigated, being driven to madness and made to believe he's murdered his partner and wanting to kill himself........all the while STILL getting blamed for everyone's problems and criticized insistently over how he's "such a bad person". Toxic treatment that always has him parroting those beliefs back at himself and causing him to do more heroics and self sacrifice in a game he will literally never win with people intent on him being the bad guy. Gross season ngl

SpikesEcho

Damon has nothing "to fix" but he'll believe it's all his fault anyway, as everyone beats into him, and he'll sacrifice himself as usual to do whatever it takes to fix the problem

SpikesEcho

They keep giving Alaric dialog about how this experience with Caroline is all about him/for him and it's annoying asf lol

Amber Augustine

best relationship in the show for me has always been delena tbh. Their romantic moments are so peak.

Amber Augustine

Ofc, once again, the show makes the narrative that it’s Damon’s fault that stefan gets pierced, when Stefan had numerous ways to disarm her. Not to mention, damon never wanted this to happen either.

SwagKage

Bonnie really told Damon: " Once Rick leaves I’ll be your only friend" Enzo not even in the equation 🤣

Chop me Edits

I’m confused, why was she hating on Alaric this entire episode like genuinely? I am so confused where all of that animosity came from calling dude dumb and shi

Stokes

Yayyy

Ashley Bérubé

OMG can't wait for the NEXT episooooode !!!!

Dwayne Townsend

The title of the episode is that Maxwell ain’t it

Dwayne Townsend

Bonnie’s facial expression screamed “my man did not just get caught cheating” 😂😂 🙂‍↕️🤷🏾‍♂️ call it what u want

Dwayne Townsend

So Rayna isn’t one of the 5 .. she got her powers from those shaman who spelled her out there .. shamans are just witches essentially

Aurora

not even close

KadeTheGreat

It just seems like the huntress is just driven to kill just like how Jeremy was before they dispelled him

Nick

Bonnie and Enzo are my fav couple of this show fr

Nick

And tbh Anna and Jeremy were one of my favorite couples of TVD they’re so underrated and I wish Anna stuck around for longer :(

Karol Almeida

Fun fact: the twins full names are actually Elizabeth Jenna Saltzman (Lizzie) and Josette Olivia Saltzman (Josie) in honor of Liz, Liv, Jenna and Jo. They never mentioned in the series but the directors confirmed it.

taj harris

It's bad direction of the scene that's the only reason

Zanni

Stefan “loves” Valerie now, Tay?😂 That statement caught me off guard. Where did that come from? LOVE??? That’s a stretch. They’d also be the most boring couple ever😂 Love Val but no thanks! They just have history I’m pretty sure. I’ve never met a bigger Steroline hater in all my life of living😂 It’s actually kinda fascinating. “They’re just besties,” lmao okay suree😂 Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Tjbosslyfe

What a cliff hanger at the end . Damon get back into hero mode and make this right.

Zanni

I said it before, they should just co-parent. Ain’t nobody forcing them to marry😂 It’s not mandatory😂 It’s giving forced, even in the future. Something ain’t right. I won’t accept it. Wells is right. It’s a silly engagement 😂 But it’s understandable. Ensuring their kids grow up in a stable, 2 person household. I get it.

john segun doe

The show was never displaying that Damon wanted that (i.e Stefan to get stabbed or hurt) but you are right this arc explores their brotherhood in a different and more troubled light where the sacrificial nature of it has weighed heavily on Stefan over the years. This has been a consistent theme throughout the series tho. Damon himself in season 2 and 3 admitted multiple times to the fact that Stef constantly swoops in to save him, i.e "always playing the hero" or "my brother the hero" etc.. But in the past, the show nor we as the audience have never explored such themes from Stefan's POV before and now that we are, we see that it causes alot of resentment in him due to its redundancy and being consistent unnecessarily troublesome situation.

john segun doe

Good point! I will agree this arc (or rather Season) does highly underplay the Damon's sacrifices for Stefan intentionally whilst sort of exaggerating Stef's "baggage" of being the constant savior of Damon all to drive home the point that Damon's character is bad, broken, damaged, toxic, hazardous, detrimental etc. The writing this time around on this topic is definitely forced and hyperbolized a bit. But I will say that these are somewhat already well-established character traits we've seen exhibited and commented on by the show a multitude of times except this time it's doing a bit much lol. Here is my take on your framing argument. You gotta remember Damon was introduced as the villain type whilst Stef was in theory the compassionate "good" type. These are the base foundations that the writers have always pulled from in terms of how to go about writing their characters. So when you state that the show frames Stefan's heroics sympathetically (im talking outside/before S7) it is not simply doing so outside of the context of the narrative at the time, No ofc not. All around those "framed" moments, narratively, for example Stef's character is steadily choosing the moral routes, being the bigger person, standing by higher principles etc. which is admitted to if not made fun of by Damon all throughout the series. These are the character-building traits that allow for such heroic framing. Whereas with Damon, we were introduced to him as the "bad guy". He was clearly defined for us as a Vamp who induldges in his Vamp nature, happily i.e little regard for life (laying on the road antics) impulsive nature, and selfish characteristics. Now over the seasons have seen his character develop but you cannot omit all of that context surrounding both Stefan and Damon all of these seasons that have built up who they have been thus far to the audience and simply blame the show of unfairly pedestalizing Stefan over Damon like its dishonest or prejudice against Damon (again mainly talkin of content outside/before S7)

john segun doe

The relief in Damon's eyes when Enzo tells him Elena is a safe was so sad. Like that bruddah was completely done with life...literally. The first thing he did was tell Stefan and you could see even though he was goin through it as he was bookin it from the huntress those words were words of solace that even seemed to quell his anger he was feeling due to his situation at the moment.

john segun doe

yh its intentional to add to the sacrifice narrative. lazy writing

Unavailable

Bonnie needs to meet Vincent, she needs to start saying no.

Unavailable

Tay feel so annoyed with Alaric ( hate him too)🤣 does she know about the actor of Alaric is that why?

Angel Chatfield

Benzo are forever my favourite TVD ship and I say that as a ride or die Delena fan

Malu x

I never paid much attention to how Stefan got stabbed but from the comments now looking at it, of course it's for the plot but also i feel like Stefan wanted to get in between to push her hand away but that's one long sword so the tip was automatically in the way, that's why i think Stefan was surprised also, he didn't quite calculate that well.. Also, this episode or the last was a good follow up on the whole Stefan phoenix stone dream thing because it's a good example of what was meant cause otherwise i don't wanna spoil with further ahead examples. The whole thing with the last episode and this one where so many times Stefan had to go to his brother which nearly killed Caroline cause nobody was there for her to check what was going on. Is it because Stefan hates his brother? Literally the opposite. He loves him so much more than anyone and would do anything to have him alive and breathing that he would leave everyone behind for him. Damon's always a Stefan priority and that's exactly what the stone was teaching him. Not to have Damon as his enemy and hate him, but that so long as he always prioritizes Damon, he will not know happiness of his own. He had one job, to stay with his pregnant girlfriend in her time of need but he jumped to go save Damon. Then he had that one job of being with Caroline post pregnancy, where was he? got himself stabbed to help out Damon even tho he refused at first cause he wanted to prioritize Caroline and kids but still went ahead and now his stupid ass running. Am i mad at that? no because i love them two brothers but the phoenix stone said what it said and there's no lie in that. But, it needs to be sad more than anything, Damon calling Stefan is what made me sad, cause idk, it just generally makes me sad whenever he has to be in the spotlight of why tf is someone running for me rn... P.S. Caroline telling her kids they're going to see "mummy's friend" is fixing smth in me lmao, i just love that somewhere down the line she realizes Klaus, romantic feelings and attraction aside, is indeed a "friend" to her cause he would never be a villain in her life personally.

Dale LaPointe

Yeah nothing beats Delena even with her off the show its still all about them Stelena died season 1 for me & most fans dont even see them as a couple it was doppelganger spell . Delusional fan base they dated less then 1 year in real story time met at 17 broke up at 18 were separated 1/2 of that time. Like I said Stelena is so long ago its like picking Elena and Matt LMAO 🤣 Joe lost all credibility the worse relationship in this series is a spell that created copies of Silas & Amara love in fake doppelganger obsession with eachother. Stelena was nothing but magic & obsession it might be worse relationship in the whole series Elena never has gone back she wants Real love.

Vanessa Navarro

Yes, Stefan did it to save Damon, jut like Damon was trying to save Stefan and Caroline.

Vanessa Navarro

I agree with Tay. I liked Tyler and Caroline but it felt like the writers let that storyline fizzle out because they just didn't know what to do with Tyler's character.

john segun doe

She’ll also learn how to do crashout monologues

john segun doe

Benzo is literally the unifier lol. Both Stelena and Delena fans come together in a truce with that ship🔥💪. Even someone like me who could care less about ships actually loves their chem alooot

john segun doe

Idk what i took from joe in his choice was how he felt Delena were annoyingly dramatized. Like they always did the most to a redundant extent to reiterate that they love eachother constantly. Ofc it was cuz of the story always wanting to doubt their love but to the normal viewer who isn’t really watching for the ships i can understand that take of Joe in regard to Delena. On the other hand Stelena seemed both madly in love without…. For lack of a better term… not forcing it with all the over top moments. I can understand why they do it, because it really appeals to folks like yourself who truly love the romance aspects of the show and so Delena overly played to that. Viewers like Joe & myself included would see that in all of its redundancy narrative wise for like 3 seasons straight (4-6) and find it kinda annoying. It is one of the reasons i loved the fact she left the show to give us more brother focus

Dale LaPointe

For life its Delena 1st and Bonzo 2nd nothing will ever change those two fron TVD history the fan bases are to strong. Stefan has been with so many pairings threw out this series hard to pick one of them but to me his best is Valerie his first love & mother of his dead baby they also beat doppelganger spell when both were human.

Zanni

Stefan “loves” Valerie now, Tay?😂 That statement caught me off guard. Where did that come from?😂 LOVE??? That’s a stretch. They’d also be the most boring couple ever😂 Love Val but no thanks! They just have history I’m pretty sure. I’ve never met a bigger Steroline hater in all my life of living😂 It’s actually kinda fascinating. “They’re just besties,” lmao okay sure😂 Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Tay's Cup O' Joe

Yesss I actually do. I feel like that made things change a bit for me unfortunately. And also just irritated with how he’s not as appreciative as Caroline as he should be. I get he’s numb considering the circumstances but idk. He just gives me the ick now!

Tay's Cup O' Joe

Because he’s MIA til the babies here then takes them without proper regard for Caroline. At least they don’t show it much. I get he went through a lot but this woman here just carried your babies. Idk just how it made me feel

Tay's Cup O' Joe

RIGHT. Like sir I get they’re your babies and all but please be better for Caroline

Tay's Cup O' Joe

I’m okay to take the title I just don’t love them 😭 and we see the future with Valerie so I’m just speaking ahead really, not in terms that he loves her now (but we know its coming)

Tay's Cup O' Joe

DIRTYYY! The writers were like “okay how can we make it even worse for Stefan now” 😫

Unavailable

Just like me, I couldn’t look at Alaric the same after finding out how weird the actor he is. I’ve been starting to notice how annoying he is recently after watching you guys.

Heatherlicious 82

I seriously do not get why a couple girls on here Damon and Stefan say look just like Elena, I do not see that at all. Dark hair and dark eyes. That’s it lol.

Zanni

Oh gosh😭🙏🏾 Whatever you say, Tay. The show hasn’t ended btw. Just cause they showed us a flash forward doesn’t mean it’s endgame. Like….they show literally hasn’t ended yet.

Heatherlicious 82

We can’t forget that these are Jo’s kids with Alaric but Caroline is taking over. They deserve to know her too. Caroline is their mother too.

Heatherlicious 82

It’s “Forwood” Caroline and Tyler which I loved. “Bonnie and Jeremy” is Beremy. Damon and Bonnie Bamon, Enzo and Bonnie Benzo, Jenna and Alaric Jalaric 😭… Jolaric, most fans and the actors gave them their own ship names over the years but I’ve seen people change them lol. It’s not that I don’t like Stefan and Caroline together first watch I was excited but something about her and Tyler and potential Klaus always made me feel that chemistry. I don’t think Stefan will ever love anyone the way he loved Elena even if he moved on. Delena has its drama but it’s also a story with angst will they won’t they and then season 6 was one of their best seasons together. There is definitely more to come especially if you watch Legacies too. I personally loved Beremy and Benzo for Bonnie.. one was a young love one seems more mature

Zanni

Literally. Thank you. She just doesn’t want Stefan to be with Caroline period😂 Maybe she hates Caroline or something cause I’m so confused. I’ve really felt their chemistry THIS season especially.

Zanni

Stefan might just become a step-daddy😂 That’s kinda beautiful, especially because he lost a child years ago. Think about it guys. This is poetic. This is peak romance. But y’all are too busy friend-zoning Steroline to notice😂

Iliks

Yall are doing too much on Alaric. Let him be worried about his babies😭 He already lost everyone else he ever cared about