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Tim Walz & JD Vance Debate: Election Denial, Abortion Subterfuge, and Preemptive Strikes - EMN AD-FREE (Patreon)

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2024-10-04 19:03:04
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2024-10-04 19:28:20
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Hi. On today's episode, Katy, Cody, and Jonathan discuss the vice presidential debate, Israel's invasion of Lebanon, and the devastation left in the wake of Hurricane Helene. Plus, Katy tells a ghost story.

Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/k4-8A8MjFow

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Wandering Watcher

I always get sad when I hear that people bash on Katy so much. Love you very much, Katy! <3

Thalandor46

I don't have anything specific to point to, but the entire vibe this week just sounded hard. So I want to throw some extra love and appreciation your way for everything you do.

Uthor

Liking and subscribing

Josh V.

Katy is great, though I might not be her cup of tea. I appreciate her perspective that we need to find ways to work as a nation of people who have different views. My concern is that only works if you have people who prioritize the nation or something that is bigger than them. I don't think those people do. It's the danger of viewing concession as the same thing as compromise. You can't concede or compromise with fascists whether they're ideological or fascists of convenience. I hope Katy is right that maybe some folks in the cult might be reached. I'm too jaded from the detrimental impact the maga cult has had on my own family and seeing how much they'd abandon.

Pelicans are my favorite dinosaur

I hated his lies. He has no sympathy for people in DV situations. He shouldn't get off the hook. Not that K was suggesting he should. I more hated him saying he cared about the vulnerable. He's against free lunches for school kids. He gives nary a crap about the vulnerable.

Joel Keene

I feel so much for Katy - I live in Missouri and live and work among people who will almost invariably vote for Trump and won't think too much about it other than repeating Fox News talking points. But they aren't monsters, and it is exhausting trying to convince people outside of that. Just like it's exhausting trying to convince them that leftists aren't monsters that I'm somehow the only exception to. Political parties and platforms are mostly caricatures.

Scott T

One thing that makes me not like the EMN podcast as much as some of the other current event podcasts I listen to: I feel like Katy is often in the role of devil's advocate, and Cody is so focused on why it's wrong (which I agree with) without considering the arguments that are being set up. For instance: Vance is a liar, and probably lied about knowing someone who had an abortion. I wish Cody would have been able to consider how that story humanizes Vance to less informed people who don't know his history and his lies. Also, people who don't recognize when Katy is playing devil's advocate and think she's MAGA are stupid in same way that Blue MAGA are. Hope this comes off as constructive criticism rather than just nitpicky criticism. Love you very much.

AEPSchmitt

Cody's expressing what we're all feeling. Empathy is a bitch, when living in a world like ours.

Blurricus

I want to thank Katy and Cody for years of their banter back and forth. "I agree with you completely," is such a wonderful thing for them to say when they agree so much on policies but debate the details.

Rob Jobin

Fact check: False. Trump threw towels in Puerto Rico, not toilet paper. (I say this humorously to dunk on recent behaviors of news companies doing terrible at fact checks)

Reya

Katy, I just want to say that I completely understand you and where you're coming from. I live in a small town. I am one of two trans woman in town (that I'm aware of). My son's best friend has trump supporters as friends. But they are exactly those types you talk about. Basically brainwashed by Republican talking points and news, but fundamentally good people. Folks who probably would be afraid of trans people if they didn't just, have one as a friend. I do not think the majority of trump voters are unreachable. I'm sorry for all the hate you get. I understand the nuance you put out and I sincerely appreciate it. Our politics aren't "softer" than anyone else's, we just want to use a different tone to reach different groups

Marki Writes

This week sounded tough but elections are tough. I appreciate everything you guys do. Katie you are extremely strong to continue playing counterpoint to Cody and simultaneously be a visible woman on the Internet.

Fernando Rosales

I THINK I get Katie's point: toning down the rhetoric is a good in itself. Obama deported like a mf but his choice not to dehumanize migrants DID make a difference. Also, changing rhetoric because it's unpopular to be awful is proof that public pressure can be effective and an invitation to apply more pressure.

Chazzaroo

I do wish it didn't feel like Katy got attacked every time she pointed out how something might seem to people not constantly online. Like yes, we know Vance is a see you next Tuesday, but most people who aren't as politically aware, or don't have a job focused on politics, do not have the same level of knowledge.

Alex White

Generally I don't mind Katy playing devil's advocate, but this week was a serious misstep. I understand how you could think that it's best for the USA if everyone says that women shouldn't be abused and shouldn't have to get abortions out of pragmatism, but *he's lying*. He wants it to be *worse* than it is now. He wants those people to have *no option but to stay in an abusive relationship*. Him paying lip service to a world in which that's verboten just makes it harder for regular people to figure out that his party needs to be eradicated. You know what both sides of the USA's politics agree on? That America is the Land of the Free, that taxes are bad, that the confederates lost the civil war. These things being so obvious and agreed upon that they don't need to be discussed just makes it harder to actually push for progress.

Server Rav

I know that Katie said frequently that she will be a maga supporter for her statements of why Vance said the right thing when admitting that women have been abused, but it is never a good idea to accept a whitewashing or a bold-faced lie. It seem that it is her stance it is better to allow him to lie for the purpose of feeling good than it is to have to hold him accountable or to force people to not hear a lie and deal with a direct reality. Why are we wasting our patreon dollars and podcast time on a wishful congratulation for a falsehood?

Nina V~

as someone who lived in the area of louisiana heavily impacted by katrina and other massive storms that have hit there since then, hearing people (not y'all, to be clear, but SO MANY public figures) so determined to show their asses in the wake of helene is really something. like, people like to act like katrina was a turning point in everyone's awareness, but so many prominent people refused to learn a goddamn thing. which i more or less expect at this point, but FUCK 🫠

Kim

I'm too tired to explain in details but I appreciate Katy very much and I love that she's always trying to be balanced in sharing her opinion, representing the opinion of others, and searching for every inch of common ground we can find. 💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚

Matt Pierce

Look, clearly there was no ghost moving Katie's luggage around. That's just plain silly. Clearly she's just force-adept.

Hector

Personally I agree with how Katy talks about Vance. He performed well on the debate stage. I wonder if his unpleasant reputation is just exclusive to online spaces. I definitely see his chameleon nature as a threat to us, whereas I had underestimated him before.

olivia calbro

I don't belive that Katie is MAGA. I feel like that's a reductive statement used to shut down discourse. However, the devils advocate can be an annoying stance. Especially because these last 8 years has been filled with How to reach across the aisle ?, How to talk to your MAGA family ?, How to understand the other side ?, etc. The unending empathy detracts from voters that are feeling under valued and ignored. One of the biggest complaints about Democrats/Left is that they would rather be the nice guy than do something. No one wants anyone's feeling meanwhile Minorities, Women, Black People ( I separated this for a reason). Suffer and become disillusioned with Democracy.