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Even More News: The Painful Reality of a Second Trump Term - AD FREE (Patreon)

Published:
2024-11-08 21:05:25
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2024-11-08 21:08:14
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Hi. Robert Evans joins Katy and Cody to break down what went wrong in the 2024 election, lessons the Democrats can (and must) learn for the future, and the importance of community during Trump's second term.

Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/C-hf0fjlhZ8

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nico

Mr. President, WATCH OUT!!!

Jessi

Yay Robert!

Nathan

Is Jonathan ok? He looked… really sad on Tuesday night

Kim

I haven't even turned it on yet, I just want to say thank you for putting this together. 💚💚💚💚💚💚💚

Jason Clark

I've had a headache for like 3 days straight, but this gang right here does make it better - every time. I'm ready for some more (news) - now, and tomorrow, and keep going! Also, just like all the things, there's this big and miserable lag time. I don't just mean like the sartorial choices that people make, and the music and all that, which is obvious, but for the policies and the economy whatever, it takes like a full year or two, sometimes longer, before that all arrives downstream. We need to start now for what happens 4 years out, cause apparently it really does take that long to break through. Honestly, we need to be ready for them to throttle the socials. I'm seeing things today that were clearly posted last weekend and got stalled in maelstrom. It's wild. But still, thank you for what you do! All the love, truly

Josh V.

Jonathan hit the nail on the head with why there isn't a left wing answer to the propaganda mechanism of the right wing. In short the revolution will not be televised. Roberts Sea-steading is sounding pretty damn good.

Aaron

"Jonathan is also here" is Jonathan's catch phrase now.

Aaron

Should I check on the election results yet?

Martin Kulash

This is the collapse of the Reagan promise and Republican are just now allowing themselves to admit to the death of the middle class and pin the whole thing on minorities.

Eli

I appreciate the fuck out of all of you. Thank you for being here and doing this. Closing statement may or may not make me tear up a little when things are rough. You guys here, and the Cool Zone crew on 'It Could Happen Here' and Margaret and her people on 'Live Like the World is Dying' got me through today. Things ain't great, but it's nice to not feel alone while we figure it out.

Patreongenericusername

I'm not sure reregistering as an independent makes sense, unless one lives in a state with open primaries where independents can vote in them. Otherwise, being one or other of the major parties to have some influence there would seem to be the better choice, unless I'm missing something.

Mark jackson

Your whole conversation about how talking to women as a person will change your perspective is great cause that was me. Got indoctrinated to the far right online and only got out because I listened to the women around me.

boldfield

I just want to comment on the assertion that misogyny played a large role in trump winning, or at the very least that people were able to ignore it for x, y, or z reasons. How many democrats were able to look the other way with respect to *genocide*, or even support it, when voting for Kamala? You yourselves argued to set the issue aside. I completely agree with Katy’s take. It played a part in the loss, most definitely, but it calling it a major factor smells like yet another excuse Democrats use to not take the blame for running a candidate that couldn’t even make it to the primaries in 2020.

Josh V.

I'm not trying to be conspiracy pilled here, but the nagging thought I can't overcome is how cyclical and predictable this feels. It feels like the boiling of the frog or some long war of attrition. The democratic party creates the big tent safety mechanism which suppresses any actual left policy (apart from Biden's pro union pro labor policies which were fascinating and unexpected in that it's the most pro labor representation since FDR and I'm very curious to see how long any of it survives). The status quo is largely not under threat and monied interests are priority one, with most of their focus being on social progressivism married to continued neo-liberalism. Then Republicans push further right and fight dirty to win and wrench us as a country further track. Then the Democrats win again when that continues to be untenable for most of the public, and promptly move to the right. When it keeps happening and we watch what seems to be such continued ineptitude or uncommitted resistance it just seems intentional.

Andee Oord

Sending love to everyone during this difficult time. This is not the end — please do what you are able for your community. We’ll get through this together. I do believe misogyny was wrapped up in so much of the discussions around Harris. However if she were exactly the same but male, it’s likely trump would’ve still won because people are so fed up with typical politicians. They read his brazenness as a higher level of confidence than any reasonable way of talking.

Eric Carlson

Trump is constitutionally barred from being President because he committed insurrection. SCOTUS tacitly concurred with this finding in Trump v Andersen, but said that Congress has to make that determination and that states couldn't do it. However, Congress DID make that determination. Both a majority of the House (232 to 197) and Senate (57-43) voted that Donald Trump had engaged in insurrection. All Electoral College votes cast for Trump are therefore invalid and should be discarded in accordance with the ECRA of 2022. Let's spread the word!

Stephanie S

Would love to see you guys do a segment on project 2025 to make a palatable "understanding key points" trump would be most likely to do. Maybe bet on a list of most likely to least likely. Also, it was wild to see how the states basically did the same exact thing as the trump v Clinton in 2016. As a woman who wants to live to see a female progressive president, and who feels like Kamala was our best/most obvious/only real choice as the VP (especially without a primary but that's another story), but for many people voting with sexism in mind it was just the same thing running trump against Hilary. Some people simply weren't voting for a woman then, I imagine Trump figured a woman was almost the best opponent he could have had. Who do you think trump will groom for 2028? Interested in what you think would become the front runner of his succession. Lastly, I really liked Katy's point of having those conversations (even though we're all exhausted). Maybe a segment on "how to have conversations with people you know who voted for trump". A bridge the gap episode of points that matter to republicans that should actually make them double think. So you can arm the showdies with conversation points for the next 4 years.

Sam Larson

I'm glad Harris lost, but I'm devastated Trump won. I recognize it basically had to be one of them, I'm just unhappy about it. Meanwhile, Israel says civilians may not return to their homes, no mention of time limit. And the genocidal, indicted war criminal Yoav Gallant was replaced with someone who is somehow even more rabidly racist.

Morzox

Thanks for doing all you do guys. I just want you all to know that if you ever feel like there's some intense pressure to like, be our rock in these trying times, like you have to be strong and say all the right things just for us... We understand that you're human, too. You're people, and this shit is hard, and you're allowed to feel fucked up about it too. Please don't ever forget to take care of yourselves and each other. We really do love you much.

jh_in_sf

Katie, you are under no obligation to appologize to us for accurately reporting what the people whom you interview up there in the mountains (or familly members or other acquaintances) tell you that they think.

Vilacom

I’m kind of on a rotating cycle of feeling better then sinking into rage, it’s about an hour to go to each extreme. It’s not even that I don’t fundamentally agree with the sentiment in this podcast, yeah the Democratic Party has not done a good job in messaging, branding, and probably listening to some sources that might have had some good ideas. But at the same time, union workers in Michigan went overwhelmingly for trump because they’re concerned about their finances. What…what messaging makes that better? Black and Latino voters showed up BIG for him. So am I supposed to protest mass deportation and racist systems when the people it will most directly affect just pretty definitively helped it happen? Like where is the line, where do we stop coddling voters as these poor people who the idiot democrats just couldn’t find a way to break through with good messaging because I guess they had this stupid idea that union workers who’s pensions were saved by the Biden administration might actually not need a ton of hand holding to not turn around and vote for the guy who’s actual QUOTED messaging is talking about firing people who would have the audacity to strike and how much he hates paying people overtime and would rather replace them instead. Like, I don’t have to explain to my wife every morning not to put her hand on the pan that I just used to make us breakfast, I told her one time that cast iron stays really hot for a while even with the stove off and she doesn’t burn the shit out of her hand just to spite me because I didn’t clean up as fast as she might like every now and then. It’s similar to a lot of research that happens now, scientists are being actively held back in a number of fields, particularly climate science, because they basically have to keep justifying absolute basics to people in order to get funding. It wastes tremendous amounts of time and energy. At what point do we just say this system has so catastrophically failed that there just isn’t a point in really fighting anymore because the people making the decisions about who is in charge are so limited in what they’re willing to learn about the system they are exercising their right to control that they will literally vote in a person who cannot stop talking about how much he can’t wait to fuck them in particular over. As for Katie’s stance that she thinks democrats will win big in four years, maybe. But that assumes we still have free and fair elections in four years, which is far from certain given we are likely to have two more Trump appointed Supreme Court justices at a minimum that will likely make Alito and Thomas look like Bernie Sanders by comparison. All I can say to the conservatives I know who are so excited is I think they’re going to get exactly what they voted for, and for the people who declined to vote because of Gaza or some other issue that they just couldn’t get over, whelp you’re going to get what you voted for too. This is going to be really really bad, and the BEST CASE scenario is we get someone who can effectively start to pick up the pieces in four years and we just have to hope that as few people as possible are dead because of it.

Steve Snyder

I am devastated, and yet I know I am in no position to moan. I am a cis, white, straight man who works for himself. I will be fine. I voted to protect those weaker than I, but too many of those dumb cunts voted for the shit covered sundowning racist rapist. The rich have won. They have created an electorate so fucking stupid by destroying both education and media in this country. A presidential candidate should not have to educate voters on how the economy works. If morons don’t already know impacts from policies take a few years to kick in then they are too stupid to be voting. I hate this country, I hate its people, I hope they enjoy their fucking shit covered god king. He’s exactly what this country deserves. The 500 year long project of taking a Native American paradise and turning it into the largest dumpster in history is complete.

8 A

I know reddit isn’t the world but from the sentiment I’ve seen there it seems many young men literally voted for Trump to get back at women and leftists who were mean to them on the internet. On a macro scale I feel as if people voted against the incremental shift toward equality. I want to believe that people’s economic conditions fooled them into voting for Trump but if I go by what I keep hearing it’s that white men aren’t “respected” enough and women in general have gotten too “uppity”. And we all know that when people in power demand “respect” they actually mean subservience.

Tim S Root

Just listening now, but Cody just mentioned how relatively few people voted down ballot. I didn't vote for Trump, and I voted for the issues on my ballot, but everyone down ballot for me was unopposed and were people I didn't support. So, I left those spots blank. What would y'all have done in this situation?

kitt m

Only just now having the mental fortitude to listen to this. Question: do you have to be registered as some flavour of politics in the US?? When Katy said she didn't want to be a democrat but might be a registered independent, like, it's there no option to be just, unregistered?

Astrid Hendrix

If you have trans friends? Trans family members? Seriously watch over them, especially once Trump takes office... I'm sincerely not trying to be conspiracy minded, but we're one issue the left have seemed completely content with rolling over on... Over $200million was spent by the right on targeted attack ads on trans rights, whether it's child healthcare, bathrooms, sports, or trans healthcare in general with the democratic candidates rolling over on the issue in several states... The RNC was absolutely dripping with trans vitriol with nearly every speaker making at least some mention about their distaste for trans people existing, with the DNC literally not mentioning it once. Trump has said day one he would end child treatment of any kind for trans children, outlaw trans healthcare in general, and will sue pharmaceutical manufacturers that provide HRT... And nearly universally the left just doesn't seem to care at all, and honestly seem mostly okay with it. There is so much other shit going on with this election that I'm not saying we should be front and center on everyone's mind... But I really really hope/wish that people, when they start fighting/resisting/whatever don't let us get left in the gutter like they did for pretty much this entire election...