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Epstein Survivors, The State of the Media, and Questions For JD Vance w/ CNN's Kate Bolduan - AD-FREE (Patreon)

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2025-09-05 21:03:58
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2025-09-05 21:17:54
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2026-06

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Hi. CNN anchor Kate Bolduan joins Cody and Jonathan to talk about the state of the news media, how she tries to get real answers, and how to combat alternative facts with actual facts. After that-- Katy, Cody, and Jonathan discuss the Epstein survivors' news conference and Florida's decision to end all vaccine requirements.

VIDEO VERSION: https://youtu.be/dsmm5zD2kuA

Comments

Chris Bowers

So, did it seem to anyone else like Kate Bolduan was drunk?

Lame One

Feels like the team needs to be more comfortable disagreeing/arguing with guests. I get that there's pressure to make them feel comfortable so you get future guests, but if the interview is just them saying whatever they feel like anyway, what's the point?

vae

seems like katy got sent to the depths of hell for a frame around 1:21,, hope shes doing alright

Lula Hiigel

I loved the interview with Kate Bolduan, though I do agree with her thoughts on the importance of short interview questions. It’s nice to get the behind-the-scenes perspective of a major news anchor.

Shali Wolfy~

SMN interviews are always so frustrating. Since other than the occasional good question from Jonathan, they may as well have a spine as soft as CNN. And it's such a contrast to the standard episodes that aren't afraid to refer to things as they are. Like...why am I paying money to see these folks get away with spouting their slop when the interviewers can only manage a couple of good questions per hour...if that?

Vance

You talked about the news of the week and nobody mentioned Silksong?!?

Steve Snyder

I started out pessimistic but ended up very pleased with the interview, which seems to be a minority opinion on this forum at the time of typing. I don’t claim to be particularly media savvy, I’m an old fan of Cody and Katy and will always be primed to be on their sides. Even still, I’ve been around awhile, and this seemed like a very fine interview between colleagues (I’ve received way more news from SMN than CNN so they’re equal in my eyes). She seemed genuine to me. I hope she asks Ted Fucking Cruz that question, sooo much, he’s my senator. Ronny Jackson is my congressman. Also, I’m happy Katy’s flight apparently went well.

Justin Freko

I did not hate this interview like so many others seemingly did in both this comment section and the YouTube one. I thought it was interesting to hear a journalist be somewhat challenged on how they view the news in a time where truth is under attack. BUT that being said, similar to Ro Khanna I feel as though this reflects the moment we are in as both the Democrats and our news media fail to meet the moment. I appreciate both Jonathan and Cody for trying to get genuine answers out of her and do not feel that this was a waste of time. Cause now I know how Kate views this situation, I also would like to give her credit for having a real moment about the Epstein victims. Too many of our elected officials and talking-heads feel completely soulless and lacking empathy it was nice to see one actually be authentic about the horrors that have taken place. Centering the victims and the consequences of these actions is the only way to break through to people so, I hope that she and others in the media actually do so. Again not saying this interview was perfect, but it was much better than the Ro Khanna one. Thank you as always Jonathan for being here.

Armando MC

I really enjoyed the interview and thought it was an interesting look at the mind of a major news anchor. I didn't really expect it to be a "debate" or confrontation since there weren't really "sides". Did I wish Kate Bolduan took more responsibility for how CNN enabled our present political moment? Sure. Is she solely responsible for CNN's actions that got us here? No. If they had Tapper on, I'd feel very differently. I can empathize with the "I don't want to be the news story", and it's unfortunate that such a mindset is seemingly so rare in the mainstream political media. All this to say, I hope you all have more guests on like this; folks who you don't fully agree with but are able to productively engage.

damien glenn

I love you guys to death. I really hope you stop doing these interviews. They are, by far, your worst content. I think you guys are EXCELLENT at presenting clear, concise presentations on topics/news stories. I don't find much value in your interviews. It might be inexperience. It might just not be something you're good at. It's ok. There are things people aren't good at. No one has to be good at everything. There is a talent that goes into interviewing a person. I'll tell you what. You go back and listen to this interview and honestly ask "is this good, quality content worthy of our viewers time". I think I'm just going to skip these interviews from now on. I do appreciate you guys trying to change it up. I'm sorry a lot of the viewers(myself included) view this as your "pepsi clear" / "New Coke" attempt.

Eagle Chee

This was a much better interview than the Ro Khanna one. Keep doing them, I think they’ll continue to get better.

David S

Kate Bolduan was a delight to listen to

Elliot

I want to preface these critiques with the fact that I do really like this show and its mission. But. This, and similar interviews are not great. Kate didn’t really answer any questions and this wasn’t challenged by the team. Also, she didn’t seem to be fully there, like she didn’t make sense? I.e. the “stupid person” bit. I would appreciate if these interviews are continued, folks should be prepared to have their views challenged. CNN at the moment is just repeating what they’ve been told to say and still apologises/denies the genocide in Gaza for an example. I would have been interested to hear what she had to say about at. Or as , you could interview some truely left folks doing work against ICE/HS / government cuts etc. I for one am looking for more groups to support/get involved with and I’m sure other folks share the same sentiment. A bit rambly but hope you get the gist!

Xander

I'm based outside the US, and so don't have CNN as one of my primary news sources, so from my side this was an interesting interview to hear Kate's perspective as someone inside the mainstream media rather than an outsider commenting on it. I missed the Ro Khanna interview, so this was the first SMN one I saw, but I really enjoyed it, even knowing the team are still finding their style for guest interviews. Looking forward to the next one.

Mike Cammilleri

18:00 NO! Don’t take back the time to report on some garbage chuckEcheese story… harass them publicly.

Oofty Goofty

It was interesting to hear Kate's perspective. I also really enjoyed the bit at the end with Jonathan and Cody pitching questions for her to ask future guests. I really wish I could have asked her a follow up question though. When she was talking about having to be careful about how much of the truth she presents because of threats to her and her children, I'd have to ask why she's even doing the job in the first place. If you are in a position of presenting information to the masses and you are compromising your integrity, for whatever reason, you are just muddying the waters and obfuscating the truth and ultimately letting the right win. It's similar to the neutrality mindset that so many in the liberal mainstream media seem to have. This idea that challenging the status quo is "left wing", so instead of calling a lie a lie (or a genocide a genocide), they just present the narrative as it is given to them from the right wing government/the police/Israel, making sure all their sources are in order so they don't get sued. Again, all this does is allow the perpetrators of mass violence to control the narrative and continue to shift the Overton window to the right. I still enjoyed the interview and I don't begrudge you guys for not bringing any of that up. It was still a very insightful interview.

Lauren Podmore

I was very pleased with how this interview went. I think you had a great dialogue about media’s role of “holding people’s feet to the fire” that was productive, authentic, and enjoyable. You’ve shown great growth as interviewers and bringing the voice of the fans to important, influential people. Wish that was more of the general consensus, but this viewer appreciates it!

Sam Larson

What's the point of talking to a CNN propagandist and not confronting her on Gaza?

Grindizer

She keeps repeating that "facts are facts" and how she starts from there and base her work on facts etc etc. But then two sentence later she says "facts changes" also, 50% of the counter voted for him, etc. So basically facts aren't facts after all, specially when you have to cater to a large audience that doesn't want to hear about them.

Zach High-Leggett

I have some mixed feelings about this interview, I think a lot of what she said didn't really cohere and she tended to wander off topic quite a bit, but the one thing that really jumped out at me and dropped my mouth to the floor was when she asked "why would you ask a question you know the answer to?" because, like, I honestly think that should be _most_ questions you are asking because the whole point of an interview is to get people saying stuff on record!

Dinadan256

I think this interview is a market improvement. There are still ways to go, but you guys didn't hold back as much. It also seemed to me that you had an effect on her, as Kate seemed to loosen up and was more open and direct ion her answers. All in all, I think it was a step in the right direction.

Kim

I really didn't like the interview. I think SMN asked some good questions, and not against the idea of interviews, but it's so frustrating hearing such centrist, milquetoast people in this era.... MAGA/Trumpism is literally burning down democracy and the Dems/media are thinking about possibly calling the fire department, IF the fire doesn't listen to their strongly worded letters. 🙄😒

Julian and Janette Taylor

Dear friends, your investigative reporting is second to none and we love you dearly but your interview skills require significant work. As soon as Bolduan admitted, in so many words, that she agrees with MSNBC's Chuck Todd and won't follow up because the interviewee may not come back, the whole rest of the interview was wasted. Nothing else she said means anything because she admitted that her work is the basic repetition of falsehoods. Your interview should have responded to that self-serving pablum by asking why her viewer must be the journalist while she is being paid for that. One of you could have noted that a lie is not information, it's just noise. She may as well be interviewing a foghorn. In fact a foghorn would have been less damaging because there are no words to be harvested for misrepresentation later. She is a basic part of the existential problem who refuses to play any role in the solution. Interviewing a liar only works when each lie is refuted in real time, otherwise it is normalized. If the liar doesn't come back, that's OK since there are lots of foghorns out there. Might I suggest some additional help here: https://www.tremr.com/julian-s-taylor/the-republican-message-is-irrefutable Keep doing the investigative reporting.