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Dude, Where's My Self-Driving Car? – EARLY ACCESS, AD-FREE, AND UNCENSORED (Patreon)

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2023-10-02 22:10:47
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Hi. In today's episode, we look at how autonomous vehicles (AVs) work, and also how they don't work, and also also how they're being tested on city streets without your consent to help enrich people like Elon Musk.

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Dude, Where's My Self-Driving Car? – EARLY ACCESS, AD-FREE, AND UNCENSORED

Hi. In today's episode, we look at how autonomous vehicles (AVs) work, and also how they don't work, and also also how they're being tested on city streets without your consent to help enrich people like Elon Musk. Executive Producer - Katy Stoll Hosted by Cody Johnston Directed by Will Gordh Written by Jonathan Harris Edited by Gregg Meller Produced by Jonathan Harris Associate Producer - Quincy Tucker Post-Production Supervisor - John Conway Researcher - Marco Siler-Gonzales Graphics by Clint DeNisco Story Editor - Michael Swaim Head Writer - David Christopher Bell Chapters: 00:00 - Elon's Wrong Predictions 05:53 - Self-Driving Cars Are, So Far, Not So Good 20:04 - How AVs Actually Work 27:01 - Why AVs Stop In The Street All The Time 31:17 – Will We Ever Get To Level 5? 33:37 – S.F. and Unregulated Skullf**kery 43:57 - S.F. Fights Back 46:17 - What If They Worked? 55:03 - Coda

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Tom Guilleaume

Idk guys, I've slept for hundreds of hours while in self driving and only crashed twice. Normally I crash in less than a mile when I sleep while driving.

Eric Herde

A libertarian approach to autonomous vehicles would be acceptable - if it were a Rom Swanson approach: it’s legal to deploy self-driving cars with no regulation, but it’s also legal to destroy any self-driving car if you feel threatened by it.

Thereal_VanWalsh

Is there anything like a petition for san Fran? Also also, thank you for the much needed anger and bewilderment about Elon. Amazing episode again!!!

Chris Combs

I think at minimum autonomous vehicles need to surpass the bar set for guide dogs. Watch the documentary Pick of the Litter and you'll see the high standards they set. You can't have a seeing-eye dog who only safely gets their human across the street 95% of the time. And - not to diminish any lives here (this is the one place it's okay to say "all lives matter") - but if a guide dog fucks up, you're only injuring or killing one person. If one of these cars fucks up, plenty of people can be harmed or killed. Therefore, ipso facto, QED, and totes correcto: cars gotta be better than dogs.

James Dominguez

At 2:40 I thought the subtitle said "auto-horny" and I think I'll be accepting that as canon now.

Jordan Gaither

Hey, Katie...what's up with that butthole of yours?

DreidelChamp

A thousand apologies Katy. We all care deeply about your butthole and hope that it's working well!

AEPSchmitt

Don't trust self-driving cars before the software they run on is Open-Source. Should be a requirement by law.

Dave Ruff

Genuinely love all of your episodes, but there is a voice inside my head going, ffs, another Elon story (not necessarily by you, just... in general)?

Joy

Is Katy's butthole the answer to all of this? Is it a self driving car tie in solution? Is Katy's butthole all powerful? A world controlled by Katy's butthole can't be any worse than this one so it seems like a good idea to allow Katy's butthole to just start running everything. Works for me.

Eric Woodard

Okay, I'll bite (but, you know, not literally... unless you want me to), "How is your butthole, Katy?"

darklordjames

Katy, is your butthole thinking about buying any of the social media platforms, or building a real Twitter replacement?

An Oni Moose

inb4 watching the video, from San Francisco: Fuck, and I can't stress this enough, them cars - and especially them robot cars. The automobile - however powered or piloted - is the *worst* tool for getting large numbers of people between their various points A and B within a finite space. This isn't a matter of politics, or personal preference, or "culture" or muh freedumz or anything else - it's a simple matter of geometry, arithmetic, and physics. Simply put, you can't move as many people through a given space in a given time if they each come individually wrapped in a big metal box. There's no tech magic that will change that. I've been living here for 30 years, never owned a car, turned down a free one that was offered to me because (1) I hate driving & just don't do it, (2) nowhere to put one, and (3) no need of one. I found that it's quicker to get downtown by mass transit than by *motorcycle* much less a car. There are plenty of ways to get around without wrapping yourself in a big metal box. People need to get out of their cars - and their car-brains - and use them; and if they're not good enough, make them better.

Nick “Introducing the 2028 AMC Patriot ” Bombowsky

Automotive journalist Matt Farah has been talking a lot about the future of cars and autonomous driving a lot on his podcast in the last few years. One of his friends, Alex Roy, worked at Argo AI and has a lot of insight on the subject as well. He’s also shouted SMN out from the JP video, would be cool if you guys got in touch

Pelicans are my favorite dinosaur

What infuriates me the most is Musk saying "everyone should be driving a 'Tesla'" Not a self-driving car but specifically a Tesla. His primary goal is monopoly. He's such a pasty POS.

Steven Smith

What if there were autonomous cars that were safely placed on a track just for them? You could even make the cars really big and link them together. Maybe they could go on a reliable time schedule, and move at high speed. Why hasn't anyone ever thought of this idea, except for me just now?

Matt Helton

That rant at the end was ::chefs kiss:: It's funny cause I said, essentially, the same thing about the "metaverse" and comparisons being made about it would be like "The Matrix" or "Ready Player One." Like who saw "Ready Player One" and thought, "yes, I would like to live in a world where our houses are RVs welded together in the least safe fashion you can think of and our only escape from our real-life hell is a virtual world filled with nothing but nostalgia, ads, and mega-corps." Or "The Matrix," where the virtual world sucks just as bad as it does now, AND we live out our real lives in goo-filled pods while robots harvest our meat-suits for power! Where the fuck do I sign up?!

Bryan Newton

Fun fact: after this episode finished, Cody's "Vroom, Vroom" lead into an older Some More News episode "Palins War on Christmas" which starts with Cody going "Vroom" at the start. So the lesson is, the YouTube algorithm likes car noises. Food for thought and I had no where else to post this.

Uthor

What gives me pause about self driving cars is an issue that has come up due to autopilot on airplanes. With the computer flying MOST of the time, the pilots zone out and lose practice. There have been incidents where something bad was happening and the pilot didn't have the skill a regular pilot should have to take care of the relatively simple problem. Crashes have happened because of this. When cars get to the point where they drive fine 99. 999% of the time, but a driver will have to be ready for an emergency (while doing nothing for days or years), bad stuff will come out of it.

Jax Uzpen

Sooo .. Katie... how's your butthole feeling today?

The Wyverns

Your show needs a tip jar so that I can drop $100 in every time you call JKR out on her TERF-itude BS.

Aednik K

Crazy timing of this episode. After an auto extrication course last week, my partner told me that the Canadian government is planning to make all new cars sold by 2040 autonomous cars. I got really mad and then felt bad because he was just the messenger. Of course, let's just slap a capitalistic money-making bandaid on the systemic issue rather than address its root cause.

Carl P Crossgrove

Current cars NOT advertised as autonomous include LOTS of “assistive” technologies that isn’t necessarily even implemented at time of sale. Cameras are built into every outside facet of the vehicle; cameras “helping” you avoid collisions are actually un-helpfully over-sensitive yet also illiterate to a variety of road conditions. Beeping, alarm sounds and auto-braking all happen when you approach a tuft of grass, a drooping branch or a “please drive forward" drop gate in a car-wash…. Those can be disabled by the factory, but the tech is already installed without proper testing: Tech that an autonomous car would use to make decisions about what you can safely approach is actually interfering with the human driver’s much greater perception, processing speed, and contextual awareness. The “assist” is no better than a nagging, nervous, foot-stomping passenger frightened of every unexpected road condition. So we ALREADY have tech in our regular cars that makes driving less safe than regular human driving.

Sylfie Tabai

I love SMN, but this video was frustrating for me. It's possible that I'm too close to this issue, but I do agree with most of the issues pointed out here. There were just a couple of things that felt like they had an incomplete perspective. One is that the video treated autonomous vehicles like a monolith, which they VERY much are not. As was pointed out, a lot is left up to companies to self-certify and attest, so that essentially means that whatever they think is good enough gets launched (which absolutely should horrify you). Companies have very different views on what that standard is, and from my knowledge of how the industry has evolved, Google seems to be the only one taking it seriously. I no longer work at Google because there were too many horrible things that I couldn't ignore, and I very much agree that I want to extricate Google from my life wherever possible, but to lump Waymo's AV system with the likes of Tesla's feels either dishonest or uninformed. Make no mistake: I don't think Tesla should be allowed to call their product "self-driving" at all, since it requires a human to be monitoring it at all times. That's dangerously misleading, as evidenced by all the accidents when people weren't paying attention. The other point goes to that uninformed bit: there were several times when the video seemed to be indicating that the software is programmed with how to handle lots of different scenarios individually. Maybe you know something I don't about horrible things that Tesla or Cruise are doing, but this is not generally the approach used for these kinds of computing problems. They're certainly tested with simulations of real life scenarios, but they aren't programmed directly in this way. Don't imagine a programmer writing a bunch of conditional logic by hand. Modern AI has more in common with a human brain than it does with that. And whenever questions of when the technology will be feasible end with "if ever", it feels like it's missing this fundamental difference. There is absolutely no reason to think that driving is beyond the scope of what synthetic brains can do, other than that they haven't achieved it *yet*. The human brain is amazing, but it's also just an organ. From a scientific perspective, there's no reason to believe it's anything more than the hardware that hosts our minds (as opposed to being the mind itself). I see far more reason to be skeptical that our brains are special and have some fundamental superiority, rather than being skeptical that they're not. All of that being said, I love you guys and everything you do. Except Warmbo. God, what did the world do to deserve him?

Rob Tapp

In the 1970s there was an episode of the Rockford Files (The House on Willis Avenue, S04E21) that was about the collection of user data and how people may not know about it and legally there was nothing they could do. I would have hoped that more people back then would have fought against such collection but too many people seem to like the free stuff they can get by allowing this tracking (loyalty programs, etc.) On another note, I saw an accident (at least the after effects) on the weekend after driving home for over 4 hours. There was 2 cars that were damaged, a Mazda or Toyota with damage at the rear end, and a white Tesla (why are they always white?) with front end damage. I cannot tell for sure but I would not be surprised in the least to find out the driver was using Auotpilot, or even just adaptive cruise control, and the Tesla decided not to stop when the rest of the traffic did.