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Andrew Dederer writes:

"Is there a plan or pattern to your character's names?  I ask because there seems to be some latent jokes and symbolism behind some of them.  First of all, I can't believe Susan made it over 50 issues without having a "Queen of De-nile" joke thrown at her (though maybe that's more an American joke).  Along the same lines, is there any meaning behind Esther's name?  I mean all the guys want her, massive alcohol consumption trails in her wake and I'm sure some folks getting impaled on stakes has been in the realm of possibilities with all the trouble that seems to follow her."

I fear that the answer to this question is going to throw a little too much light on just how pedestrian my creative process has been over the years. My characters have been named, historically, based on very limited criteria. Theft.

Sometimes I just steal a name outright. This isn't always intentional. On the first drawing I ever did of Shelley Winters, I think she was meant to be a mermaid. That's why she has red hair. She's like Ariel from the little mermaid. And shells come from the sea, right? Yeah? The idea that she was a mermaid lasted for one drawing, the name persisted. When I started Bobbins, I had to give her a surname, so I used Winters because it sounded right. Of course it sounded right, as I was reminded a little later, she's a grande dame of American cinema - in The Poseidon Adventure and many more.

After I realised that I'd taken a name outright, I didn't want to do that again, so I played mix and match with other good names, often taken from the end credits of TV shows. Myra de Groot was an actress seen in the UK on the Australian soap Neighbours in the late 80s. Names like that stuck with me and I've drawn from a huge bank of them in the process of naming dozens, if not hundreds, of characters. I had a print rep called Traci Grote whose business card was pinned up over my desk for a few years, that's where Lottie's surname comes from.  

There is one Giant Days character whose name is just the name of an actual person. A cartoonist friend would always say her sister's boyfriend's name in full whenever she mentioned him in conversation, and he seemed to come up quite often. I just used it, never thinking that he would appear, again, dozens of times. After 60+ issues I felt quite bad about that one.

Susan Ptolemy's surname comes from one of the experts on Channel 4's Time Team. I was drawing while watching the show, and the first time I drew her, I wrote "Susan Ptolemy" next to her. I have never really looked into the Ptolemaic Dynasty and I suspect I probably never will.

I work at such speed and with so little forethought at times that characters tend to get first names from the bank of names I have to hand in my limited mind. I have to work very hard not to accidentally call characters the same name. There are multiple Claires in my comics. Several Barrys. Garys are a constant threat. de Groot and Grote are essentially the same name (both meaning "the great" I think). I'm not smart enough to know anything about the book of Esther. Sometimes I don't spell names consistently. Is Daisy "Daisy Wooton" or "Daisy Wooten"? Reader, she's both.

For a few years there was a carefully-maintained Tackleford Wikia that helped me with these things, but I think the most enthusiastic contributor has now moved on to other interests. They spared my blushes many times.

Names: a tricky business and I'm not even joking.

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Comments

Ren Long

I have a question I've been embarrassed to ask for a while - how do you say Lottie's last name? I've always figured "de Groot" rhymed with "boot" but does "Grote" rhyme with boat? Or potty? Or pot? I've always rhymed it with "boat" in my head, but i'm American and I didn't know if it was some popular UK name that I didn't know. (I've always been kind of afraid to look it up and be wrong, but I think I'm ready now, haha.)

Brian Perler

TV writer Ken Levine (Cheers, M*A*S*H, Frasier, etc.) explained how they came up with names for characters, which basically came down to: mostly they just borrowed the names of people they knew. For the M*A*S*H's seventh season, they used the roster of the 1978 Los Angeles Dodgers. (http://kenlevine.blogspot.com/2011/01/one-of-hardest-tasks-in-any-script-is.html) During their run on X-Men, Chris Claremont and John Byrne were inspired by an episode of The Avengers TV show to create the Hellfire Club. Said episode included actor Peter Wyngarde (who also played Jason King); in the comic, Mastermind was given the name "Jason Wyngarde" (and made to look like the actor as well). Obviously, that's not Marvel's Avengers, but the British show with Emma Peel. Hence, "Emma Frost" in the comics. Sebastian Shaw was modeled after Robert Shaw (From Russia With Love, Jaws). Harry Leland was modeled after Orson Welles, and named for Harry Lime (Welles' character from The Third Man) and Jed Leland (another character from Citizen Kane). Donald Pierce was modeled after Donald Sutherland, who played Hawkeye Pierce in the M*A*S*H movie. Basically... you can apparently get away with A LOT when naming characters. (I keep thinking that I should do something about that Wikia one of these days, but I never get around to it. Probably because it looks like it would take a lot of work to get it anywhere near up to date, and I'm kinda lazy sometimes. But someday...)

Jack

This is interesting, mostly because what I think it demonstrates is that characters, like bands, grab hold of their names and once the audience have been told it they rarely question. (I think this a lot about band names, which exist in a slightly different world to other things. You can say 'Butthole Surfers' to your mum (well, my mum anyway) in a way you'd never ever EVER say 'butthole'. ) So although the first time I ever read about Shelley, I did think, ha, like Shelley Winters! but that's a thing that happens in real life. My family doctor when I was a child was Dr Munroe and his daughter was genuinely called Marilyn, poor woman. But it becomes normal and obvious so quickly that you stop thinking about it. (Susan's surname is unusual but when I first saw Susan you'd drawn her yourself with her amazing teeth and it seemed exactly right.)

Damon Hart-Davis

"Garys are a constant threat." Yes, indeed, so *please* keep your voice down.

Ren Long

Thank you!! I got confused when that bully called her "Potty Grote" and was like "Is it Grott-ee?" and I literally only realized right now that's because Lottie and Potty rhyme. What a day for me.

Rob Brewer

M*A*S*H also had a long-term habit of naming the nurses "Able" and "Baker", which were the first two letters of the phonetic alphabet used by the US Army at the time of the Korean War. A quick search through the cast list on IMDb suggests they had 10 Ables and 9 Bakers over the course of 11 seasons. Not all the nurses were Able and Baker, though: Bobbie Mitchell played Lieutenants Able, Baker, Gage, Gilbert, Lyons, Marshall, Mason, Mitchell and Murphy over the years. And sometimes they just used the actor's own name, particularly in the case of long-running cast member Kellye Nakahara, who was usually Nurse Kellye (though she was also Able, Baker and Charlie on occasion).

Thomas MacColl

So do you think your lackadaisical/forgetful attitude to your characters' names suggests that, to you at least, their names are unimportant/almost irrelevant to their personalities, adventures and importance in "the canon" (whether yours or the fans')?

scarygoround

No, not at all, their names are hyper-important and glued to who I think they are. But I think my creative process is holistic and subconscious, as opposed to some constant striving for great thought or deep meaning. The next story (following Giant Days x Batman) was a last minute replacement, glued together out of thoughts and events right at the top of my mind - seeming completely disparate elements, yet it seemed more "together" than anything I've done for months. I'm no lover of woo-woo mysticism but I have no idea exactly where things are coming from at this point. I simply have a sense of when what is emerging is of use.

Thomas MacColl

Very interesting - thanks for the quick and comprehensive reply!

Norah Willett

What about Mildred? How did she get that name? That’s a name you don’t hear much anymore, though maybe it’s more common in the U.K.?

scarygoround

It's not a common name here either, no... other than Mildred Pierce, I'd struggle to name a Mildred. Mildred wasn't originally meant to be part of the main Bad Machinery cast, I think naming her so distinctively gave her her power and then she became indelible. She's been added in to the versions of the stories that appear on GoComics and in the books but her actual first appearance is this one, more than a month in: https://www.gocomics.com/bad-machinery/2016/05/05

Dharmatrails

This is interesting. I have been GMing role playing games forever, and I can come up with ideas and story arcs, but names... So many NPC's and place names come from song titles and band names, because I am always listening to music. Names are deceptively hard.

Angerboda

I love this process! On the note of names I once saw a bone doctor named Dr Bones, and a surgeon named Saw. They werent in the same department as I recall. Or theyd formed the BoneSaw duo. Names seem to have a certain meaning.

scarygoround

The awesome power of nominative determinism...

Angerboda

I think I also met a prest whos last name was Faith.

Dan

The first time I had kidney stones (4 and counting!) I was in the Urology ward and being attended to by Mr Pain and Dr Dick. They had a surprisingly disappointing view of my reaction to their names.

scarygoround

Their lives must be hell. But then, with kidney stones four times, so must yours. Ow.