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Fate/Apocrypha Ep.25 (Patreon)

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2026-07-02 11:32:44
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2026-08

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Eirei_Emiya

Ok, to explain the ending we first need to understand what happened to Sieg. So, he used the remaining power of the Grail to speed up his dragon transformation and took it to a place called the Reverse Side of the World In the Fate universe, this is the place where all the gods and mystical beings migrated after the age of gods ended and mankind became dominant. You can see it as another layer of the planet that is normally not accesible at all by humans. Since Sieg became a Dragon, one of the highest phantasmal species, the planet itself could not tolerate his existence in the human plane, and sent him to the Reverse Side of the World along with the Grail. Since there are no humans in the Reverse Side, the Grail became obsolete. It is still working, but it does not affect anything As for Jeanne being able to reunite with Sieg, well, it breaks so many pre-established lore that you just have to roll with it and dont think about it The explanation we got is that Jeanne tried for an "eternity" to break out of the throne of heroes and eventually she succeded because why not and then somehow got to the Reverse Side of the World because why not as well. There is no need to mention that Jeanne being able to do this should be impossible, but the author of Apocrypha thought it would be cool to do it. Not to mention that it is a rip-off of another existing ending for other 2 characters though the difference is that in the original it actually makes sense But well, Apocrypha was written by another author who was given free reign. As far as i know it was not entirely supervised by Nasu who is the original author and creator of Fate As you said, Apocrypha has good ideas, and has some good moments, but sadly the execution as a whole is lackluster. Majority of the fanbase does not have a high regard for Apocrypha, but it is still a good ride to see another type of conflict and characters in a Holy Grail War. And it is enjoyable overall. Glad you liked it for what it was I will be waiting for your Grand Order reactions. It has really really cool stuff. Just in case the order goes: Fate/Grand Order First Order OVA - FGO Camelot movies 1 & 2 (Wandering Agateram and Paladin Agateram) - FGO Babylonia (It has an episode 0 called Initium Iter, do not skip it) and finally FGO Temple of Salomon movie

Izua Tekami

I can't wait for you to watch Fate/ Grand Order! If you loved Fate/ Strange Fake and Fate/ Apocrypha then you'd really like Fate/ Grand Order! There is a lot of awesome fights and a great story that'll definitely expand more of the Fate series universe.

BlackRugrats

You’re the goat bro!🔥 Thanks for helping me so much💯

Anzor Wilson

There is actually a sequel to this story but its still in book form. It follows Astolfo I believe.

homura

narration in the novels implies that jeanne reaches him a 1000 years later. meaning there's no real need for servants to serve the human order anymore because we've either been annihilated (melty blood/notes.) or we've ascended to the cosmos and no longer need earth. regardless jeanne is only able to leave the throne because theres no need for them anymore

homura

The reverse side of the world is also where Saber ends up after she dies in the Fate route

Eirei_Emiya

Even if that is the case, which it is still debatable, Jeanne still should not go. The Jeanne in the throne does not have the feelings of her summoned self. Yes, she knows what happened, but that is like reading a book. She cant really feel what her summoned self felt. So, Jeanne going to where Sieg is does not make sense even from a feeling stand point. Herself in the throne does not have those feelings, only the knowledge that something like that happened

homura

not really debatable, manaka in labyrinth peers at alternate timelines and sees sieg at the end of the world as a 'solitary dragon'. apo's novel only implied it but labyrinth confirmed the implications. regardless jeanne returning to the throne without her feelings doesn't really matter since the records do exist and the promise that they made exists within those records and remains. other servants who peer at their own records do have their hearts stirred by them even if they didn't experience it themselves, for example we see this in Avicebron during Lostbelt 1 feeling extreme guilt for what he did in Apocrypha even if he didn't actually experience it himself. Who's to say Jeanne won't feel similarly about her own records and decide to fulfill the promise after her commitments to the human order have been fulfilled?

Eirei_Emiya

Yes, the servants can read the records, but that doesnt mean they would act upon those feelings because they dont have them. Avicebrom feels guilt, but thats just it. Many other servants know those records but they dont act on them. They are just information. At most, what the records do is give them some closure like with EMIYA. Jeanne breaking out of the throne is almost as impossible as her entering the reverse side

homura

we're not talking about servants in general though we are talking about Jeanne, less empathetic servants like Semiramis do ignore their records but Jeanne wouldn't lmfao. Avicebron didnt just feel guilt, it informed his entire arc in Lostbelt 1 because he acted on that guilt throughout the story. we don't know the mechanics behind how she got there to begin with so there's nothing to really argue about it. either you accept her leaving the throne of heroes in the future because its no longer needed or you don't, I do personally. In general Type Moon has a running motif of humanity either annihilating itself or reaching the cosmos, the reverse side of the world has always been framed as analagous to the latter as far back as stay night and og tsukihime. Apocrypha's light novel even directly acknowledges this: > People would eventually reach it. Beyond the realms of dreams, to the infinite cosmos. Repeating hopeless failures and setbacks, humans would move forward and climb the stairs. >"I will be waiting ahead, at the place we will all eventually reach." These are Sieg's words and thoughts on his departure.