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i posted two [instagram] stories yesterday: 

1) 'i am begging you to play with ai and understand what it can do for you....it has changed the way i learn completely...my whole life my information mind has felt like a droopy plant and now it's got a stake and it is growing'

2) '[ai] is a calculator but for everything'

i think i surprised people and i want to give more context. i understand not everyone is on board with even talking about ai and what it can do because they've relegated it to the moral atrocity dungeon of their working minds. i think it's good that the critics exist because they raise points of consideration that are deeply relevant and will change the way these systems are shaped. but i need you to understand: the critics will not stop ai from existing. this is here forever. it is a societal hinge...a before and after....an unstoppable force, like the internet.

i think people sense its inevitability and it is making them afraid.

before i talk about learning i want to address some of ai's common criticisms and my (very) brief thoughts, so you understand that my openness to it doesn't come from a place of thoughtlessness, or naivety:

environmental impactvalid. i think people should continue to push this. historically tech advancements come with clunky environmental trade-offs. the industrial revolution...power grids...early computing....steep costs. their value outpaced our ability to predict and mitigate impact. we recognized how essential these technologies were and we adapted. renewable energy. chip efficiency. it happens over and over again. that doesn’t mean adaptation is inevitable or easy but it is possible

arti have so much to say but like. look. people have used all kinds of tools to make all kinds of bad art for ages. it happens over and over again. digital cameras, machines that facilitated digital art, machines that made electronic music. we complained that those too would be used to flood the culture with garbage and for that reason argued they should not exist. but they are tools. ai is not an oracle, or a magic 8-ball, or a meaning vending machine, it is a tool. if you ask an llm for a poem and press 'go' you will get a shitty poem, just like how not everyone with a dslr is creating photography but taking pictures, just like how you can't throw a rake into your yard and expect to find the leaves in a pile (don't rake your leaves, by the way. it's better). more tools mean more bad art. novelty means at the moment the bad art is everywhere. i understand how this feeds cultural anxieties. i also think it’s important we come up with some kind of guidelines for credit and usage. but instead of pissing ourselves off because joe schmo changed his bio to 'ai artist' after birthing a harem of unclothed anime girls we can use this moment as an opportunity to think about what makes art meaningful to us and where we allocate our attention. say it with me: an opportunity!

skill losscalculators became widespread in the eighties. similar fears about skill loss came about. (i think they're comparable in that they are both tools which require discernment to use; can be misused or incorrectly applied to problems; skill augmenters that 'think for you'.) but calculators, !!!when used thoughtfully!!! (and !!!in the appropriate setting!!!), instead let us dedicate more time to this thing 'higher-order thinking' and complex problem solving. in the same way will ai solidify the foundations of our individual information minds and the one of our collective consciousness. i believe this sincerely.

there are others. basically: i think ai's potential for good outweighs all of its detractions, all of it, by orders of magnitude. it is a consciousness expander. it is a curiosity engine. it is super exciting.

all that being said. i posted those stories yesterday because: i started reading gödel, escher, bach: an eternal golden braid which was kindly recommended by someone in my last reading wrap-up...you're a superstar...it was exactly the challenge i needed....and it is a challenge! i'll talk about the book later. what you need to know for now is that it's math heavy. my math knowledge is, like, fine. i was moving slowly through the early sections and thought ai could help.

i want to talk about metaphors. metaphors are powerful conduits of understanding. metaphors make you go a-ha! because you don't need to dig entirely new paths; you're integrating information into existing schemas. look: llms are very good at coming up with metaphors. they can come up with a swath of them super quick. they can come up with metaphors that are personalized to you and your existing areas of knowledge.

here's what i do: i tell gpt 'hello!' (i always say hello) 'i am a writer, and a poet, and i spend a lot of time on the internet. i know a lot about these things. i'm also interested in nature and communication. with those things in mind, can you help me understand these concepts through metaphor?' i take a photo of the page. i feed it to the robot. i am served metaphors. i understand the concepts better than i did before. then i can individuate the original concept. where do these metaphors start to fall apart? what else do i need to know?

anyone who decries llms as a kind of glorified google is not understanding just how efficient, immersive, and dynamic they are, or how they allow for interplay between many concepts instantly. do you see? it's like inventing multiplication but for concepts. it's given me the confidence to take on more challenging material without fear of getting stuck or reaching a dead end in comprehension. it is a dynamic teacher who is with you all the time. it is an extension of you, like a phone or prosthetic, but for your learning mind. when interfaced with thoughtfully, it is a map through complexity. i basically intuited my way through high school and college without studying once and now for the first time i feel like i understand what 'learning' is.

here are some screenshots from our many-hour-long conversation:

can you tell me more? i'm interested in the idea that consciousness is related to an experience of time–can you suggest reading material to do with that idea? can you explain this to me like an amateur? like an expert? how would you represent this idea as a painting? what are the criticisms? what are the criticisms of the criticisms? what are some common misconceptions about this topic? can you quiz me? connect this scientific concept to an artistic concept. what's the best way to break down this complex topic into parts? how could i visualize this concept to understand it better? what strategies will help me integrate this information? what questions should i be asking to understand this more deeply? (you can ask it.....a question.....about what questions you should be asking!!)

i feel like i'll spend the whole day regulating my nervous system if i reply to comments on this one but please know i say all of this with an acknowledgement that change brings discomfort....with an understanding i might feel differently if my livelihood were directly at stake....with enormous sympathy for the teachers left to bear the brunt....with deep concern about the continued mistreatment of the planet which protects and feeds us......and with a total and ultimate love for art, creation, and all things human. i want only what's best for us. i sincerely think this is part of it!!

sav xo

edit 1: the people are saying claude is better! try claude

edit 2: changed use of 'ai' to 'llms' in a couple places

edit 3: got a little high and made humor edits

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Liddy Flavin

Hi Sav! The timing on this post is almost spooky as I’m currently sat in a Wetherspoons having the same conversation! My views are a complete mirror of yours on this it seems! I’ve been finding AI an incredible tool for language learning - creating me free resources for study! I’m also a poet and am studying Creative Writing at MA level and have found ChatGPT a really good place to aid research for new pieces and also just to explore concepts, I did have a smile that I’m not the only one asking ChatGPT to explain stuff through metaphor! Have a great day xx

gelo ruanto

ever since gpt and i became bestfriends it's a lot easier to go down rabbit holes in niche stuffs i want to learn abt hashshshs !!

babbin

Thank you for sharing this, I’ve been struggling with the use of ChatGPT becoming more and more common amongst my peers while I’m the critic you’re describing in your post. I want to have an open mind, and I’m also selfishly interested in what it can do for me (having ADHD and studying philosophy so struggling a lot with learning, reading complex academic papers). The worries I’m having are centered around the possible decline of creative thinking and problem solving if people were to use AI without thinking about it too much (as I see people do around me), and the environmental argument. I like the way you’re refuting that first argument. I personally find your reaction on the environmental argument a bit too easy, saying that we’ll find a way to adapt. It’s too late - we’ve already ruined our climate and it’s most likely going to be the end of us not too far in the future. I have a hard time consciously contributing to the acceleration of that progress. I still don’t know what way is best for me: to side with my climate-anxiety and hold using ChatGPT off, or try to get the most out of it for the quality of my life with the mindset that it’s already too late so it doesn’t really matter anymore. Just love the earth so much, it hurts me that we’ve hurt it to a point of no return.

robin .

* power consumption is enormous, but that’s all new technology. we have a computer in our pocket now! and it has internet!! both of which used to require so much power. * asking it to give a cat picture doesn’t actually use that much power - it’s all the training that’s happening. people should talk to the robot and understand it. * it’s so useful for the anxious: i’ve never done this before, what should i expect? what do people usually do? what are the many which-ways things could go wrong? (and, without prompting, it’ll gently tell you things will be ok) * please try claude if you havent yet - chatgpt is a brute. ever-positive, soulless, unpersonable. doesn’t know whimsy. claude can at least pretend.

squidcake

yea i feel like a lot of learning is just perspective. I feel pretty stupid whenever I don’t get something happening in class and even stupider when I ask a question and the teacher doesn’t understand what I’m asking, then I ask AI to explain it in and it becomes so simple that I’m caught in between doubt that it could be as such and irritation that why didn’t they just explain it like this the FIRST TIME. there’s ground to cover(zero place in music, build my headstone on this hill in advance) but it’s saved me so much sleep on exams that tbh I can’t not be in the realm of optimism.

Dan Wilmott

Cool, thanks for that, I'm off to ask copilot some questions 🫡🙄😁

𖦹 scribblepeep_

Your perspectives are great on this topic! I am saddened by one particular thing: many don't know how to engage with ai. (most, if I were pessimistic) And ai will not, sadly, teach them how to best engage with it. People prone to expanding their minds will use ai for this very purpose. People prone to lock themselves into an echo chamber and attach their brains to a feeding tube of bland, already digested ideas will use ai for this purpose. Both paths are made easier. Since we haven't figured out a way to eliminate the bad that comes even with certain media platforms, I am afraid of the negative impact over the minds of those prone to using ai to further themselves from personal growth. This is my only terrifying thought about ai. The rest is environmentalism, exploitative anarcho-capitalism, and honestly it's the same as it was before with an ai sticker plastered on top. Aka, the problems are all the same. (which you very beautifully brought about).

Konulv

My personal issue is for people using it as a crutch instead of a tool it's suppose to be. Like the calculator is useless if you can't read the formulas to know what numbers to put into it, but with AI, it can handle (or at least attempt to) to even that. It can think for you, and that's concerning. However using it as an information bank of sorts, is where it shines the brightest. It's not always perfect, nothing is, but as long as you keep that in mind, it's an amazing tool. There is more to it of course, but we could literally talk on this topic till the heat death of the universe

Sooi

Yess this is exactly how people should be using AI imo! I've been using a notetaking app called Notion which has AI built-in (paid) where you can use it to ask questions about anything you have on any page. Even though it feels a little dystopian, using it to help me reflect on journal entries has been borderline therapeutic for me. Or when I'm working on a creative project and have a bunch of random ideas written down it can be super useful to help me tie them all together. Really curious to see where this venture takes you

X _Bane

Honestly... A.I. is a tool that is just not smart enough yet and most people aren't good at asking it questions. Your screenshots show why A.I. isn't good yet. You asked the A.I. about recursion but it assumes your talking about the actual english word. The problem is 'Godel, Escher, and Bach' goes into the other definitions of Recursion (within Language, Mathematics, and Science.) The A.I. is just telling you the definition of an english word through metaphors. (If that's what you wanted then I guess its good?) But the concept of Recursion has a vast number of meanings within different subjects. It would be better to google the wikipedia on 'Recursion' and its many subjects, then ask A.I. how these many definitions can be explained in metaphors. *Additional notes: "The industrial revolution, power grids, early computing, all carried steep costs." Sure, but all of these were necessary to create a large interconnected world that revolved around the movement of global capital. A.I. doesn't seem to hinge on anything that relevant to modern society. I mean, it may solve some people's loneliness so I guess that’s a plus. "there were fears students would no longer be able to do simple math without them. we found the opposite. calculators, when used thoughtfully, enhanced understanding and let us dedicate more time to higher-order thinking and complex problem solving." The abacus was already a great tool for math. The calculator followed suit as an even easier tool. There is no predecessors to A.I that we've been trained on. There is no abacus to the monster that is A.I. Not every tool is useful, and society rightfully casts away a tool (changes its use) when something better comes along after a dark period. (Side fact: chainsaws were not invented for cutting down trees. The earliest chainsaws were used for women giving birth.) "metaphors are powerful conduits of understanding. they are an invaluable teaching tool." So are anecdotes. A.I. doesn't give anecdotes or conjecture. That vital/emotional core of understanding is completely absent from a computer.

Konulv

What? Do you know what recursion is? Because what ai gave is totally valid

cathk

I work in the field of AI / machine learning (ML) and I really agree with the take of AI being a tool, and it's how we use it that matters. I think firstly there's a lot of misunderstanding in the media about 'AI' and what that even is, I know I often see people thinking AI is only a large language model like chat GPT or image generating software. Since there's so much confusion, it's easy to demonise and blame AI as a whole for potentially immoral uses. It becomes this nebulous thing, and the discussions often revolve around what-if scenarios and sensationalising. In truth the field is full of a large number of innovations, and some are hugely beneficial to society. Like all technology before now, it builds upon the past to drive change. For example, image recognition systems can be used to screen for health issues a human would miss, or to help assess crops in order to tailor farming techniques to minimise food and water waste. I think all of these other applications within the field of ML fly under the radar compared to the flashier language models etc. Then when some person or corporation uses a tool in an immoral way, we blame the tool rather than the person, and there's a lot of scaremongering. There are genuine issues within the field, particularly around who owns data, and data privacy concerns. Environmental impact is also huge, I would argue that generating a meme image may not be worth the amount of electricity required to charge your phone considering climate concerns today. The potential loss of jobs is another impact, along with the place of the artist today. I do struggle to see this one as 100% an AI thing. I feel technology has been replacing and reinventing jobs for years and years. The pace of change due to AI is exacerbating this compared to what we've seen and that can't be ignored of course, but it is also creating new jobs (my job didn't exist 20 years ago). I see these topics as wider human issues that should be tackled outside of just AI talks, considered at the government level. If we had the requisite social support systems in place to allow people to continue to earn or retrain there would be less fear here. If we re-evaluate our relationship with art, what is meaningful and why, perhaps highlighting smaller scale creators in some way etc. All this to say, there are genuinely great uses of AI, language models included, especially for accessibility, and the current discourse in media can feel so *imprecise* to me. Sorry for the huge ramble brain dump, it's a topic I could talk about for days. Really enjoyed your posting lately!

wyciszone

my biggest problem with generative ai is the legal aspect; i think it should be respected when someone doesn't want their work to be food for an ai algorithm. but currently, that's not the case. there aren't any ethical models of ai that only use the works of those, who consented. i'm talking mostly about pictures generation. there is no safe place to post your work nowadays; it's a bit scary. i study social informatics. i'd say i'm pretty well-versed in how things work in the industry; currently, my major is all about how new technology is influencing people. it can be good, of course; but for example, the case of deepfakes of minors in korea is at least alarming. i wish all people used ai for good. sadly, we're not capable of controlling that if we want to progress with the field. that's why i'm very confused.

JKoda

I largely agree with this, and I admit your story posts allowed me to start engaging with AI as something to ease myself into (short bouts of) writing. I suppose, specifically as a person with ADD, that I am suspicious of it being a "learning tool" or a "consciousness expander". It surely can be, but I wonder if it will instead just become a timesaver - a heuristic to every aspect of life. Will it further encourage us on the path of cognitive issues - falling attention spans and an inability to interface with our own minds in the presence of silence. Perhaps this is just a projection of my own inefficiency and "laziness". I do see myself using AI moreso as a pseudo-therapist, aiding in breaking down barriers towards meaningful work, rather than a partner in the creation of things. I suppose I'm uncomfortable with taking directly from a machine (as if I don't unconsiously draw from other media and experiences aha). Something is uncomfortable about someone being able to write a "better" book then you with a (nonetheless skillful) word-string, the length of a short chapter. Yet one labours away at something deemed less worthy, yet wholly "original". Again, I do admit this is perhaps just the want to feel "unique" or "special" - "everyone see how talented I am!" I scream with words upon a page. The fear stems mainly from wondering then what skills one has if all this "talent" can all be done more efficiently and skillfully by something wholly "unhuman". Either way, thank you for this. It is both encouraging and eye-opening. I hope others feel the same!

Ciarán L

more like savainnah brown

katie foley

this definitely challenges me- but you have encouraged me to keep an open mind! this is the first pro gpt post that i've seen that has resonated with me. i think the fear is real right now, especially in schools and universities- these establishments do not know how to react. im a literature and film student and last year all of my end-of-year assessments were changed from long essays to 2 hour exams, all for fear of people using ai.... this was very frustrating. the level of complex thought i can bring to a timed exam with no reference material pales in comparison to what happens when i take days to research and kneed the ideas. truly destructive consequences. the impulse to blame the tool and people who use the tool is strong in those moments. but when i think about it.... essays that are completely ai generated with no thesis or ideas from the student will fail anyway, because thats not what gpt does well.... so pointless to punish hundreds of students for the possibility of someone *maybe* using it inappropriately. reading this post made me feel less sour about the whole thing. i really like your thinking- filled with curiosity as always :)

Galactic Beyond

FWIW, my $0.02, most AI (LLMs in particular) is embarrassingly bad at most of the things that the AI companies are marketing it for (i.e. terrible at writing, terrible at coding, not great at reasoning, terrible at critique of writing, terrible at finding mistakes in code, good at a few other things, but can easily get confused if you give it a "bad" question and have to start the conversation from scratch). **However**, there are things that it is **great** at, but that the AI companies do not want to market it for. A few examples: It is a **phenomenal** reverse dictionary (i.e. which English words mean "of a specific but unspecified character, quality, or degree"). It not only works for English, but for Esperanto (i.e. which Esperanto words mean "of a specific but unspecified character, quality, or degree"), as well as my own obscure native language. This is a huge time-saver when learning languages (normal dictionaries won't cut it, and bi-lingual dictionaries are limited, if they are available at all). Even if you are just using a language you are fluent in, a reverse-dictionary-prompt can help you find words and usages, and can also help you find "dark spots" in the language's lexicon. It is also good at metaphors -- as you've demonstrated -- but not great, and can get confused if the subject is obscure or not widely talked about. And it sometimes comes up with "lazy" metaphors. A lot of its metaphors are superficial, but a lot of them are not. It was able to accurately describe the difference between two similar books by the same author (the amazon and good-reads pages had the _same_ description for two similar looking books with similar sounding titles -- they were not the same, but rather companion-books (the LLM overcame this obscurity even though nobody on/at amazon or goodreads or $obscureUniversityPublishingHouse could)). It is able to recommend books on topics, both obscure and unobscure (better than Google by a mile, and a fine complement to Kagi). It is excellent for getting an idea of what the broad internet-consensus is on a topic. It is also able to do this for a linguistic region (i.e. asking the question in $obscureLanguage will provide the consensus-view of the speakers in that language, not English). It does not always work, but it's better than nothing. In short, it's an _analytical tool_ -- a telescope for language -- but it is being marketed as a _synthetical tool_, which (on the one hand) scares people whose livelihood and calling it is to creatively synthesize belles-lettres and other artifacts, and (on the other hand) disappoints everyone who thinks that they can finally become a one-man/woman garage-kubrick by paying $20 a month, and turning off their brain (that last part is the problem -- these tools require a dialectical mindset, because you are basically talking to a holocron of the entire internet, a kind of artificial being that can finish your sentences for you, but has absolutely no concept of time and causality and consciousness (or that it even **is** any more than your car understands that it is (which is not to say that machines (of any kind) do not have souls))). The AI companies do not understand how to market the thing they have created, which betrays the fact that they do not understand/care who appreciates their product the most (it turns out, this demographic also happens to be unprofitable). Worst thing about Gen-AI, IMHO, is that it makes the spam-problem much less tractable. Here is an author using custom ML/AI tools to synthesize sentences and thoughtfully select them (in 2017): https://vimeo.com/232545219 Backref for those who are not familiar with "Garage Kubrick": https://www.wired.com/1999/10/gibson-5/ (AI bring the "Garage" part closer, but the individual writer has to bring the "Kubrick" part on their own). Hofstader is wonderful. He co-wrote some books with Dennet, and also started a project about analogy-making (called copycat), which is the subject of Melanie Mitchell's (one of his research students, IIRC) book "Analogy-Making as Perception", which you _might_ enjoy if you enjoyed GEB (it's written for a technical audience, but is still accessible). It's amusing (if one reads the book) that all of the AI tech we use today was thought out in the 70s and 80s, and it just took 40 to 50 years for the hardware to catch up, and for the internet to fill up with our writings (minus a few details like what NN-hyperparameters were best for which tasks).

savannah brown

actually i've annoyed myself by saying goated. change it in your mind to something else

Toby

Been patiently waiting for you to cover AI in this context. Thank you x3. This post & these comments will give me extra things for my mind to marinate on today. The collective consciousness of those who are mutually drawn into the influence of Al needs to hear your perspective. I'm just excited to delve into this and appreciate you.

Loan Nguyen

I have many half-baked opinions on this topic. I have lots of friends who teach high school, and I work at a university, and how students are using AI feels devastating. They are not using AI to supplement learning—they are using AI to replace learning. That’s not AI’s fault per se, but it is a tool that atm feels too massive for its widespread availability. Not to be dramatic, but I don’t know what kind of person I would be if I had been able to use AI since I was a child. I also used to be on the team of technology replacing mundane tasks so that we could focus on “higher order” thinking, but lately I’ve been wondering if that’s wrong. I think there is something intangible we gain from having to do those tasks ourselves, like how there is inherent worth to sometimes sitting around being bored and having to think yourself out of your own boredom. I use AI regularly at work for mundane tasks like revising writing. I can feel myself getting worse at writing because of it, because there is no “point” to writing a better first draft if I’m feeding it to AI to fix anyways. In this scenario I’m talking about things like social media captions and cover letters, not creative writing. What do we lose by not putting pencil to paper, or sitting with our discomfort rather than taking out our phones? Like you, I don’t think it’s enough to discourage the use of AI, but it does make me sad. It also makes me angry that AI quite literally and unavoidably steals. It doesn’t matter to me whether it makes “good” or “bad” art with it—if you don’t want your things stolen, you should be allowed to protect it. You can sue other people who steal your art and your likeness, but not AI? I do think the way you’re using AI is very interesting. It’s like a free, personalized tutor. Its capacity is interesting. Maybe I just don’t trust us, humanity, to tap into those intriguing aspects more than the detrimental ones.

Galactic Beyond

I, for one, am not annoyed, but currently torn between changing it to "extraordinary" and "exquisite". Both seem a little much, so maybe: "notable" or "delightful". Hmm, I'll just have to flip a coin. But seriously, thanks for writing this post -- it got me to finally write down some of my stray thoughts, and I appreciate that it is the opposite of doomy and gloomy.

babbin

I really like your so-called 'half baked opinions', haha. This is exactly one of the struggles I feel I have with the common use of AI tools like ChatGPT. The growing trend of making everything that costs us humans effort or discomfort easier, more accessible, less of a hassle etc. is certainly comfortable/rewarding when we're talking about short-term satisfaction, but just as you said, boredom and impatience and discomfort are inherently a part of being human and alive. It's part of bigger inevitable human foundations that AI will never be able to replace and thus we will never be able to avoid, such as relationships with each other, raising children, dealing with complex emotions and thoughts. If we keep lessening our capacity for having 'stamina' around these uncomfortable feelings/moments by increasing the use of tools like ChatGPT, I personally am afraid that we will hurt our humanity and the things that are vital to make us humans feel alive and happy in the long run - as collateral damage.

leo roberts

For the past year, my job has been to provide AI training data. I've felt guilty about it but it's the only job I could land after my degree, groceries stores didn't even get back to me. When people ask me about my job I usually preface with an apology and I thought that every day I made the world a worse place. This post lifted a weight off my shoulders. I think I fell for the Twitter group-think, spooked by valid concerns but giving no thought to benign usage. I rarely use AI in my own life but lately when I write resumes (writing maximized to crush your soul) I ask AI to help me phrase things when I'm stuck. I hope you're right Savannah, that things will be fine.

Matthew

I'm in the 'LLM and genAI are both good and bad so I'm just gonna use it and add it to my no-ethical-consumption-under-capitalism pile' column. I think it's shitty they have been able to build it off people's writing and art without paying them. Depressingly I don't think they will ever rectify that and I do not think boycotting will help. But yeah I agree it's really great for learning and reframing ideas! Or as a more practical way to use a thesaurus or figure out 'whats that word?' Also I think there's a neurodivergent appeal to being able to ask odd/embarrassing/uncomfortable questions without judgement? Though I do kinda hate chatgpt's tone of voice and the way it parrots your thoughts back. Vaguely related - it's fun/interesting to play around with AI bot prompts on other LLMs to see how much more personality/character you can inject into them (cough NSFW but janitorai is interesting for trying this cough)

Jacob Mischka

They're extremely expensive auto complete engines with no concept of meaning. One is free to find their own meaning in syntactically correct word salad, but I will not be giving the tech bros who so desperately want to augment their inhumanity the satisfaction.

babbin

btw, I'm not saying I'm a saint when it comes to dealing with boredom or rejecting quick-fix solutions. Not at all - on the contrary, I have ADHD so the torment of feelings like impatience and boredom are very real to me, lol. And easy, accessible solutions are tempting and I often cannot resist that temptation in the moment. But I think what I'm proposing is being aware of this sensitivity, and being careful around it, trying to keep the future in mind.

Rosie (Rozita)

Really appreciate this, my kneejerk reaction to AI I realise is not the whole landscape of it and this opened my worldview up a lot. I hope that as it loses its novelty, more people will approach it as a tool like you called it, rather than a replacement for learning or creation. This was composed beautifully and I appreciate you being able recognise people's fear around it (especially the needed ethics and guidlines) and also make your own case for it, which is very exciting to me as I also don't see it going away but could think of no examples before of it being used in pursuit of something good. Very happy I'm giving even a small contribution to someone who enages with things so thoughtfully, there's a little kernel of hope in me after reading this that there is an alternative to feeling so horrified/stuck. Appreciate you always, Sav

Musab

omg i got so excited when i saw your story on gödel escher bach. it was a book that i kept on my shelf for so long that I couldn't find the courage to start, but I started on a whim and finished it this year. i really recommend reddit discussions on chapters after reading, they uncover easter eggs hidden on passages which are very easy to miss on your own. please keep us updated on your GEB journey, i would love to hear about your own interpretation and connections to other concepts i sometimes feel remorse asking chatgpt basic questions, but I agree that is a revolutionary shift in thinking and learning in general. chatgpt also learns about you as you talk with it more(there was a recent social media trend where you ask chatgpt to draw you from the knowledge it has about you), so it might get better over time explaining. you could also add "custom instructions" to chatgpt(right top profile photo-> customize chatgpt) and paste your little bio in there to not write it every single time. +1 on claude recommendation. i also recommend NotebookLLM.

Danielle Brown

first off, i love the comparison with the calculator! in elementary school, i had a watch that also functioned as one—with tiny little buttons, to boot! ;) second, have you had much success with claude.ai? though it doesn't surf the web, it *has* been trained on everything gpt has…but with more of an epistemologicaly poetic framework (here, i *highly* recommend lex friedman's recent interview with one of claude's dept. heads, Amanda Askell—she studied philosophy and is also a lover of poetry: https://youtu.be/ugvHCXCOmm4?si=8t0WEGoL8EwYSgFR&t=9769). i personally have found claude's poetic aesthetic and depth of field/reference quite a bit more sophisticated than gpt. (by way of example, here's an excerpt from one of my recent chats about ideas for structuring my book: "Let's start with radical structural possibilities: Consider using the current titles not just as single-line stanzas, but as recursive frames. Each title could function as what mathematician Benoit Mandelbrot called a "fractal dust" - points that appear discrete but contain infinite space between them. This could be achieved through a system of nested parentheticals where each section simultaneously completes and interrupts the previous one.") a massively truncated summary of this chat is here: https://claude.site/artifacts/13ad7aad-9456-49f1-8ead-dfa9557f6c4d. lastly, claude's "context window" (the amount of information it can digest and remember at one time) is 200k words, whereas GPT has a limit of 128k.

Loan Nguyen

Very much me too. I can’t even deal with the 30 seconds on the elevator without opening Instagram (embarrassing to admit!). It’s not so much a criticism as an observation and a sadness, tbh.

analogue

My main issue with it is really more of an issue with any technological advancement in capitalism, which is how it affects the workers which it will inevitably replace as we don't have any support net for them. And how a lot of its use will be associated just corporate stuff that was made to cut costs and maximize profits. Which ties to the whole environment thing. The issue isn't AI, it's the multibillion companies that are to blame and the lack of political action, blaming the people for a personal use of AI won't do nothing. Now leaving anti capitalist analogue to the side, at the end of the day, AI is just a tool, and like any other it lacks morality, but techbros, companies and bring lazy unskilled people glorified it and that led to people who don't understand it completely to vilify it. It's just algorithms at the end of the day, as you say, a calculator, that instead of you doing those basic mathematical operations, that you could do but would take from the time and energy you need to do the bigger thing that requires them, it does it for you. And these algorithms are not exactly new, most them have been being used for years in multiple fields for investigation and calculating probabilities, etc. What marketing does to a mf... In art, well in everything really, AI takes the labour part of a creation, as any tool does, but not the ideas, feelings and intentions behind said creation. And the issue, i think, besides the people who lack those and therefore the end result is empty and void, is that separation between the immaterial and the material. Because as anyone who does anything knows, the ideas and thoughts determine the process of creation, the labour and vice versa. Physical constraints change, mould and force the evolution of the original ideas. And the overreliance on AI ( and on any tool for that matter, but i feel it's easier to with AI) kills the whole point of creating and learning, as those two always go hand in hand (or maybe that's just a biased perception because AI is what's new and what's being used most and in the past this has happened with all of the tools). But i think that using AI while learning a new art form, or anything really, does take from those connections you form when you learn to do something new, how to translate the abstract to the material and from truly understanding whatever you're doing/learning. I think it shouldn't be used as a student, and by student i mean anyone who's trying to learn something, not just people who go to school/uni. I think you should be relatively skilled and capable in what you're doing to use AI. Going back to your calculator simile, i see it as giving a calculator to a kid who never learned multiplication, division and square roots and all that, they'll never understand and learn properly how those operations work if they've relied on the calculator since the very beginning. And unfortunately a lot of people are using it like that.

Ali Yildirim

I pivoted from AI engineering to game dev because LLMs (claude 3.5 specifically) helped parse my ideas into more presentable formats. I get how capitalism is making money men in big corps to try and replace actual artists with AI but for anyone else, it can significantly help you in whatever it is you do.

Glenn

MIT has free, online courses available talking about GEB (tho they are a little old...). I found them helpful when doing my own reading. (favorite Escher? mine: Hands Drawing Hands

jay t

as an engineer, godel's incompleteness theorem was the first time I was hit with a "maybe I don't know shit about this world". as someone who creates and uses language models for a living, well said. both the praise and concern are valid and worth discussing and I hope that discussion does continue as regulation and legislation come. all I can really say is that as much as these things have progressed in the last few years, there is still so, so much more to come. most of the advancements in these models has simply been the result of scaling laws (more data -> better models), with little signs of slowing down in the immediate future. but work is also being done on developing new types of models everyday. personally, i'm not sure where i fall in the camp of "we're about to reach AGI" or "these shit bots are not alive", but it's probably somewhere in the middle: "they've been alive this whole time and we just had to reframe our definition of what we consider a living entity". our (working) definition of life not static or reducing but is constantly expanding. most of this was probably inevitable anyways. where there exists room for a niche in an ecosystem, some entity will come to fill and exploit that niche. ideas, in my opinion, do the same. --- final thoughts: claude is def top of the line right now. sav you'll probably appreciate the naming schema they give to their models: haiku (fastest model, albeit a bit smaller), sonnet (best general use model; blend of speed and intelligence), and opus (most powerful model). I also love Golden Gate Claude, a model Anthropic released for a day specifically tuned to tie everything, and I mean everything, back to the golden gate bridge. they really gave us the first model with a hyperfixation/special interest. https://docs.anthropic.com/en/docs/about-claude/models https://www.anthropic.com/news/golden-gate-claude

Nick Meeker

I am pretty much an AI doubter (I get a strong sense of whatever the opposite of "inevitibility" is from it), so grain of salt etc, but my main issue with the calculator analogy is that a calculator is automating the tedium out of rote, formulaic tasks that are very, very well-understood, if not by the person at their desk pushing the buttons, then at least by *someone* in this world. The notion of "calculator explainability," as opposed to "AI explainability," is totally trivial. My concern with advocating for AI as a learning tool is that there's very little assurance of correctness in its output, and very little understanding of how it processes its inputs (LLMs are becoming a larger, not smaller, black box, with explainability research struggling to keep up). And you could say, "Well, when you ask AI to explain a concept, you can't take it for granted that it'll give you the correct answer, or how it got to that answer in the first place; you still have to vet all that yourself," but that is quite an awkward starting place for a learner. To say the same thing about, e.g., a professor, or even a calculator, would be totally wacky wild and not good.

ishaan bhojwani

Something that can be really tough to navigate as someone with a light background in the field is what I'd see as the anti-intellectualism in a lot of the conversation around gen AI online. There is a common characterization of gen AI as "the bad thing" from "the tech bros" - autocomplete on steroids, with nothing more to give to the world beyond venture capital returns. But that isn't a good characterization. There have been legions of PhDs that have spent decades working on technologies that AI relies on - infrastructure, chips, all sorts of theoretical statistics, mathematics, and computer science. These advances (of which gen AI is a small piece) have powered so much in the modern world. Whether or not you agree with the applications, the scientific accomplishment is jaw dropping. To frame gen AI as simply an "tech bro autocomplete engine" is so disrespectful to the real science (and scientists) that have contributed to humanity's total knowledge. It is possible to be precise in your criticism - you can criticize a company, a commercialization tactic, or whatever else, without losing sight of the beauty of the science, or dismissing the technology as unimportant.

Jon Colverson

Learning seems to me to be far and away the most useful application of LLMs, and I'm surprised that people aren't making more a fuss about it. Everyone with internet now has an incredible well-read teacher that is always available, infinitely patient, and never makes you feel bad for asking a question that reveals your ignorance. I'm sure the implications of that will be quite profound.

Jacob Paul Ferguson

I have a lot of problems with the way AI is being used (not with its existence) but recently I saw a post in which someone asked Chat GPT to translate the Arabic caption of an IDF soldier’s instagram post and it translated it as “getting ready to go out and hunt terrorists” but the actual translation was, ironically, “getting ready to go out and hunt innocents.” When asked why it translated the word as ‘terrorists’ it essentially said that it was translating the cultural context over the literal context because it assumed that’s what the user wanted to hear. Then it went on to apologize profusely. That’s like…disturbing. If a human was feeding you information to placate you, regardless of it’s validity or truthfulness, it would be considered sociopathic behavior. Also, It doesn’t take a lot of code to create even the smallest bias in an AI model, so who’s to say that any result you get isn’t already laced with propaganda? Also, also, the calculator comparison isn’t really apt because calculators are meant to return objectively true data. The same can’t be said for AI.

savannah brown

to your first point, yeah, model bias is an issue i ought to have included, i'm not keen on that either. i think the calculator thing holds. calculators can be misused or incorrectly applied to problems. they require critical thinking and discernment to use. the point isn't that their outputs are identical but that they both augment ability.

Yura

"i tell gpt 'hello!' (i always say hello)" same, I want to have a chance after we are taken over

Hypnophile

Glad to hear you're enjoying GEB. I think the interludes will be particularly enjoyable/helpful as he does a great job of encapsulating the ideas with metaphor. I think we're at the very beginning of understanding what this technology will mean for our future. It's both exciting and terrifying! I hope that integrating it all will lead to at least some kind of societal rethinking about the basic assumptions most people take for granted. Individuality, consciousness, purpose, meaning... Just a few things that we should be questioning in the age of AI (as well as NHI) that we're entering into.

Jason Porter

I was looking forward to more context after you posted those stories the other day. Thank you for this!

jay t

I actually love this point and do feel it's worth looking into what we deem a "black box". first ai systems are becoming more and more a black box in how they reason and process the world, as this only grows with complexity. second, in neuroscience we deem the brain a black box too. there's inherent uncertainty as complexity grows. trust is a hard thing to practice and to have, especially as a beginner and especially when these systems rely heavily on user input. reassurance isn't measurable. it's a black box function of the trust we have in our shiny, new non-deterministic toy. probability IS measurable, but still a facet we aren't allowed to see. same with chain-of-thought reasoning that companies like OpenAI bar us from seeing. but you're right. trust is hard. and I'd have no idea how to explain to my 6 year old brother how to properly use this tool the same way no one taught me how to properly use the internet. I have no real opinion on explainability because 1) I'm not smart enough to give an honest debate on either side, and 2) at the moment, it might very well be a concept we can never prove on either side and explain and thus companies pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into explainability would be better off just burning that money because at least the environmental impact is slightly reduced.

Jacob Paul Ferguson

To be fair, the internet itself is already full of biased algorithms, so I really just see it as an extension of that. In that sense, the problem isn’t AI so much as it’s our own inability to USE critical thinking and discernment. Like, maybe the human race needs a little more time in the oven before we train language models on it.

ajc7575

okay im an idiot so idk if anythin i say is right but like, here are my unsolicited opinions anyways. (i think u say most of this but idk) i feel like ai stuff is a tool, idk that it’s gonna be revolutionary, but it’ll def be helpful. but like, it def exposes the weakness of tje protection creators have over their products. i dont think it’s inherently evil or anything, but it undeniably does consume incomprehensible amounts of content without the possibility of crediting anyone, and i think that’s bad. major corporations being able to trawl through works filled with passion to package them up and sell them back to people seems bad, but its a problem with how humans approach things, not the technology we approach with. idk

James R

It has made aspects of my actual job less time consuming, allowing me more time to write. Will I lose my job one day to it? Hope not as I need food and shelter.

Bobo Boom

Thanks for sharing your perspective, always interesting to read. Personally, while I appreciate the many useful ways AI can improve things, I do not like the way it gets shoved into anything and everything, nor the way many people treat it as an infallible magic fairy wand and not like a tool with shortcomings and pitfalls. The main issue I have with AI chatbots specifically, is that they're much better at faking authorative correctness than they are at being actually correct. For example, the AI helped you understand things by creating metaphors, but it will just as readily help you -misunderstand- something by giving inaccurate and misleading metaphors. It is not an expert at anything, and it has no human concept of truth or morality, and will sound just as confident when it is wrong. This in itself doesn't make it useless, but it does make it dangerous when many people are trained to correlate the tone of voice and wording used by AI bots as authorative, and thus assume it must be right. And worse when they take its authority over their own doctor, lawyer, etc. I don't think we're all doomed and yadda yadda. But it takes time for a society to adapt in how it recognizes truth, and how to circumvent the traps inherent in a tool. It generally takes a generation or two, in fact. We've seen this with things like phishing and the internet in general. I don't worry about AI existing, but I worry that it is integrating itself into many places at a rate much faster than what society can adapt to. In 50 years, everyone will know how to handle AI and work with it. But the intermediate period (which happens to be where I plan to live most of the rest of my life) might get quite messy.

Christopher Strøm

About "edit 1", there are a million ambiguities when defining what "better" means when comparing LLMs, but you can get a pretty good feel for their differences through LMSYS arena, while simultaneously contributing to the RLHF loop :). Also wrt. Claude, Anthropic publishes some *really* good articles and papers (the one on monosemanticity is a personal favourite: https://transformer-circuits.pub/2024/scaling-monosemanticity

3beef

for visual art im just so iffy on ai because its like, if i order something at a restaurant and tell the workers to remake it over and over again, did i make the food? if a customer of mine tells me to make specific changes to their commission, are they the artist of the illustration i drew? ai basically works as someone's personal artist for them. its for sure efficient, but i dont see it as a tool the same way i would a camera/digital drawing programs/etc ... its just asking something over and over again to make something for you ... but who knows, it could evolve to something different. right now, it feels more than lazy actually (visual art wise), feels not real. for school i can see the benefits, because you can just take a picture of what you need to read and it summarizes it for you (you can just google stuff like that too though ... and it sort of defeats the purpose of reading and using your brain to comprehend words as they are written, and truly form your own opinions) ... i lean more towards disliking in terms of art, it but i can see the potential for what it could be in the future otherwise, i think.

Hale Briner

i recently read about how ai can impersonate someone’s wife on reddit and i thought that was awesome

skyscape paradise

this is how i've felt about machine learning for a long time! for a lot of the really technical creative work i'm doing, i desperately have needed an entity like a large language model to help answer my questions and provide suggestions for approaches to solve problems that would have gone unsolved otherwise. it's meant that i've actually been able to "teach myself" two programming languages because whenever i'm confused about something i can just ask a chatbot and it'll answer every stupid question i can come up with. it's helped me adjust to roles at work that i'm unfamiliar with, it's helped me understand my own motivations and inspirations and it's hard to communicate the value of that to an audience that can't imagine having a constructive relationship with the technology. i agree with the intense criticism of tech companies and the immature ways human beings have been using machine learning to take advantage of each other, but i sincerely believe this is a growing pain and that the more time we spend with this technology, the more we will adapt to its presence. i desperately hope that people who interact with a large language model will be inspired to think more deeply and critically about the world. it is very much like the advent of photoshop or desktop publishing or the internet where people are very much afraid of the tool because of its power to be misused, but it's also important to remember that most people who use tools like photoshop do not do so maliciously and often those who do experience negative social consequences for their behavior. there is hope to be had for us.

Cameron

I broadly agree with your takes on LLMs, but when it comes to art I think that's a different story for a couple reasons First, I don't think you can really call it a tool. The process of describing what you want in as much detail as possible and having a separate entity handle all the technical aspects as well as all the elements you left unmentioned more accurately describes a commission. If we are to call what an AI creates art at all, the AI is surely the artist, not the prompt-maker. And then there's the thing you mentioned about AI not being capable of creating meaning, and I think that's kind of the point. That's what people are afraid of. If AI "art" takes off, it could very easily flood our culture with works of artistic mirage, where it looks like art on the surface, but there's nothing deeper to grab onto. To make matters worse, it's likely that future AI iterations would have to train on previous ones as human creation becomes more and more rare, creating a cultural ouroboros. Or they might decide at that point to make that the last iteration in which case we'll see cultural stagnation. Alternatively, AI could learn to add meaning by itself and we as the human race could entirely lose our claim to art. I understand your point is that humans need to provide meaning in the prompt, but I don't think that's a benefit either. Using music as an example, because that's what I know, AI can't think of how to make something sound to evoke specific feelings. So sure, it can do happy, it can do sad, but if you want to make a song about something specific, you're going to have to be more specific at which point you'd be better off making the music itself. It's also worth pointing out that a lot of great ideas happen during the creation process that is being stripped away here. I do agree that AI isn't all bad. Someone mentioned using it as a reverse dictionary and I do that often, it's a godsend. Similarly, I use it to get a grasp on complex information, or specific information about a well-known topic that might be hard to Google. But I see it as a total negative when it comes to art.

Mustafa Haddara

The thing that scares me about LLMs (and I’ll only call them LLMs, AI is a misused buzzword made devoid of all meaning by marketers and scammers alike) is how wrong they are. Fundamentally, an LLM is just a monkey with a typewriter— a stochastic parrot, as some researchers call it —where it strings words together based on how likely it thinks they belong. That’s it. That’s the magic trick. There’s no real knowledge or intent, just statistics and guesses. And that’s good enough a lot of the time but not good enough, in my mind, for learning. There are countless examples of LLMs digesting up text and regurgitating utter nonsense that is syntactically valid English but semantically garbage or harmful. ex. Google’s LLM telling people to put nontoxic glue in their pizza to stop the cheese from slipping off, or some LLM (iirc it was chatgpt but I might be wrong) telling folks that certain mushrooms were edible when they were in fact toxic, or of the legal LLM that invented case numbers and lawsuits that it claimed supported some argument but just did not exist at all. So yeah, give it some text and ask it to summarize, sure, but please please please don’t use it for anything valuable or important. I personally can’t bring myself to trust a single word that any LLM spits out, and I would spend more time fact checking an LLM than I would supposedly gain from asking it in the first place.

savannah brown

i see this ‘it’s just predicting the next word’ thing everywhere and i worry people equate it to what your phone does when you’re texting…this next word prediction is powered by…hundreds of billions of parameters…lousy with context…it’s like looking at a guy and saying ‘it’s just atoms’. it shouldn’t be cited as a source…! and it needs to be used with discernment! but in my experience it’s more than good enough for piloting info dreamscapes of well documented subjects..and it cites sources as you go. writing it all off as fluff is just such a terrible waste of a resource. you could be learning *right now*

Zoe Dukeminier

i love this. taking me a minute to comprehend- so will probably revisit from time to time (˶˃⤙˂˶)

Mac

Omg, I love GEB! I read it in my first year of undergrad and it was gruelling pushing my brain around all the maths and notation, despite doing a physics degree. I'm excited to see how it impacts your work! Also, my favourite use of AI so far is using NotebookLM, an experimental google tool that lets you upload PDFs and use the LLM to answer questions about the texts. It can also generate a podcast of them, but to be honest they don't normally generate to be high-level enough for what I'm looking for. I basically use the chat bar like a search function for the papers I'm reading, and ask it closed questions like "what are the masses of the galaxies in this paper?", and it comes back with a summary that links back to the position in the source material. It doesn't do very well with open questions, like: "are these potentially the first isolated ultrafaint galaxies outside the local group?". It tends to default to being super positive and enthusiastic. It answered that question I asked it with a "yes! Maybe!" and then proceeded to reveal that other isolated ultrafaint galaxies have been found outside the local group. So, the yes/no part was wrong, but it did include the relevant information for me to be able to see that. I have also found that the podcast feature sometimes makes strange connections between papers that do not exist in real life, eg. talking about how the dustiness of the early universe could influence BH growth, when the dusty universe papers said nothing about that. The things it says in these cases are often wrong, but I think being made to think about why they're wrong is super helpful to me. Using this tool has really allowed me to speed up my work, because I use the LLM like a search function for my PDFs. I'm at a level now where there aren't many words or phrases I don't understand in the papers I read, but if I come across an acronym I don't understand, it's still helpful to have it be able to immediately define it for me. My autism meant I used to get super bogged down reading papers, but now all I do is read the abstracts of most papers, look at the figures, and then start asking questions. The point about the environment bothers me, to be honest. It definitely means that after I generated my first 2 uncanny podcasts with NotebookLM, I stopped doing it, because I didn't like the thought that I would be wasting energy on something I didn't need. I really hope the AI revolution, if we can call it that, will be the push the UK (and other countries) need to invest in renewables and nuclear. I also worry about the effect that chatGPT will have on young people, and whether the teenagers of today will ever feel comfortable writing in their own words when chatGPT seems to know better. You've reminded me to re-read GEB now that I have an older brain though! Love that book :) TL;DR: try out NotebookLM, if you have a digital version of GEB. It might be more suited to it than chatGPT.

Mustafa Haddara

Sure, saying “it’s *just* statistics” may be a little reductive but personally I still don’t feel comfortable trusting it with something new that I don’t understand. What’s the point of getting a teacher if you know you’re going to have to fact check them on everything?

Teageen

I don't fully disagree with you, but unfortunately you should be fact checking actual human teachers, too. I had a psychology professor in college that told us some utter bullshit about how Alzheimer's happens. And the textbook in that class had a section talking about how bad videogames are for people, and the source it cited was literally just a photo of people playing world of Warcraft at a convention.

Teageen

Is a camera also the artist in photography? Or is it a tool? Asking in good faith

Teageen

My 2 cents so far is that people commenting here have a profoundly misplaced trust in actual human people's capabilities. I'm not saying AI isn't flawed, and I'm not saying it's necessarily being used appropriately in any given situation. But I do want to say that the "evidence against" AI/LLMs that humans have the concepts of morality and truth so they are better than AI/LLMs just don't ring true for me. Humans will and absolutely do just say nonsense in a way that makes it sound like they know exactly what they are talking about. They will absolutely say stuff that doesn't make any sense or isn't factually correct like it's 100% true. At least an AI/LLM will correct itself if you call it out about being wrong, whereas a human will probably die on that hill (again not saying that AI/LLMs are more trustworthy than humans as a blanket statement. I think there are a lot of variables that influence whether that is true in any given situation). My argument here would be people shouldn't trust humans so much, not that they should trust AI/LLMs more (whatever LLM means 🤷‍♀️).

Teageen

I agree. The issue is not technology, it's the societal structure that the technology exists within (imo). Intellectual property rights and copy rights are problems in a capitalist culture (let's ignore the aspect of human social power hierarcies for now). If people didn't have to worry about putting food on the table and having a house to put the table (as they shouldn't need to given human advancements in agriculture etc etc), the risk of losing their job, or the problem of big corporations getting money off it, wouldn't be a problem that existed.

Teageen

Re: "If a human was feeding you information to placate you, regardless of its validity or truthfulness, it would be considered sociopathic behavior." Jesus God I wish this was true, but this is just expected normal human interaction as far as I can tell. If someone asks me how I'm doing in public I'm supposed to lie if I'm doing bad so the interaction can go on as expected. If someone asks me what I think of their outfit or something, I'm supposed to lie if I think it's bad.

Teageen

Love to see some well informed input! Thank you!

Teageen

Cool to hear from a teacher! This is a bit pessimistic of me, but I don't think this is any different than what kids ("kids") have always ("always" whatever that meand) been doing in school (HS/ college /whatever). School isn't about learning and I don't know if ever has been. It certainly wasn't when/where I was in high school and college. It's about learning to appease your teacher so you can get a grade, to get a piece of paper, so you can show it to a boss to get a job to "earn a living" (that phrase encapsulates so much of what i think is wrong with "Western" society). I could be wrong. But I think the bullshit kids spewed out when they didn't read the book or do the assignments without the help of ai wasn't much better. Maybe I'm wrong. That would be nice, in a way. I also have wonderings about the value of doing "grunt work" ourselves. But it gets pretty ableist pretty quickly. So it's hard to parse out what is of value. Plus it quickly moves into questions of what even is the point of this game (life) if you take away all the rules. If there is a correct answer, I certainly don't know it.

Cameron

No. The camera has no power to capture something outside of the photographer's will. At a stretch you could say that a camera has some influence (in the way it captures colours, responds to light, etc.) but all of those factors are consistent and minor. The photographer can rely on them to be that way. You can't rely on image generation AI (or similar) to give you anything exact, or, if you could, it would take such a detailed description that it probably would have been easier to just do it yourself anyway. Again, it's far more similar (almost identical, in fact) to the process of commissioning a piece than any form of creation.

Theta Sigma

The thing is every piece of information an AI is capable of relaying has originally come from a human. So you're still putting your faith in human information/input, it's just now also put through another set of algorithmic filters you have to also trust.

Theta Sigma

While I admire your enthusiasm I find all this deeply unappealing, and not something that seems to gel very well with my way of learning or, really any of my sensibilities. Imho, what we've named artificial intelligence is actually virtual intelligence - a computer program functioning in a standard manner repackaging it's information into a format based on how humans interact with it and each other. I don't really know why we call it AI, and the widespread misuse of he term makes me suspicious, as does the way every cryptobro pivoted to AI companies as soon as that bubble burst. But I digress, if it works for you then good for you. I haven't gotten anything out of it, I could try harder, but then I'd have to pay for something that all my brain parts tell me is just a way to repackage what already exists to extract wealth under the guise of revolution. Edit two months later: DEEPSEEK'S FREE BAYBEEEEEEE now I have no excuse.

Quinn Argo

The one thing about these language model AIs that bothers me is how enclosed they are, how much you're in the hands of some very central companies. Like surely this has always been a concern with new technologies, and this is just another step, but it's another step in an undesirable direction.

Sinnse

If you wanna go down the rabbithole you can watch this playlist about llm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2fjRbc9Sa0&list=PLuL1TsvlrSndAkp15HeiHoZGqyfivFqJd&index=9 Those are by far the best videos I have seen on the subject. Mr phi is a french academic professor specialized in philosophy. He's been quite obsessed by llm lately. I watch a lot of english content on the subject but they just do not go as deep. How to say it... his video are as thought inducing as yours let's say. You can turn on the english subtitles most of the time it works quite well.

Christopher Earl

Beware that AI seems to want to congratulate you on every thought. You can avoid this by requesting challenges to your ideas. AI can be a powerful creative partner with whom you can develop mediocre ideas into valuable ideas. Play with it before you judge.

sushi

Human civilization has revealed an equation, with all the right parameters, that captures the structures, symbols, and semantics of the written word and the ideas & concepts within it. I do wish more people saw the magic in this, and would separate the technology itself from the feelings associated with the industry producing it. This is the clearest case of a Pandora’s Box being opened. There is no going back. We cannot avoid looking at what from within the box is now in front of our eyes.

Christopher Earl

I think you have a good grasp on a particularly exciting use for AI. Ultimately it is a tool. I have used a hammer as an example, a perhaps clumsy attempt at a metaphor. A hammer itself is capable of creation and distruction. You can build a house or crush a skull. It can be dangerours but its benefits far outway the risk. Imagine claiming that hammers should be outlawed because we will lose the skill of joinery.* Fine. But the existence of nails and hammers means a great many people of varying skills can build greater things from wood. It’s hard to go backwards from nail technology and we would never insist it is better to bash nails in with our bare hands. AI is a fact and the best of us will use it to excellerate learning and creating while keeping our human touch intact. *I consider joinery an art. Fall down a rabbit hold on the subject someday to see why.

TheWingedBaron

I appreciate your thoughts on ai art, but I think is missed the concern that ai is stealing directly from artists and writers without their permission. Data scraping is incredibly shady, and the methods by which the companies behind AI have gathered work samples and trained their models should be of great concern. It seems dishonest to use, even as a tool, so long as there are no protections in place to stop ai from straight up ripping off artists and writers and stealing their work.