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[THE BOYZ] Lucky Oppa: Ep 12 [ZEROBASEONE] Hong Seokcheon's Jewel Box: S3 Ep 3 (Patreon)

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2025-02-16 15:00:14
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2025-06-01 15:37:51
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Peikoririn

TBZ content and ZB1 content in the same video.. I think I just blacked out a lil

Zenabu

This is like christmas

herewego

I know exactly what rumour about Changmin you are talking about hahaha

NAME

Rj is kinda right that it could be because of how many the members are but adam is also right when he said that it really doesn't explain seventeen and i think only explanation for that is seventeen is the exception. No other big group has made it huge because majority of the fans like fewer people in a group. Seventeen faced a lot of struggle because of how many the members are, it's really fascinating how they made it out alive because before and most specially after them, companies tried to debut a big group and they never succeeded. Number of people in the group can really affect how the group will go. TBZ is relatively big in asia but still not that big compared to other groups who are as known as them.

Precious4U

I am so glad for you guys concerning NCT and SM. Because pre-2020 SM, it was a struggle to get subs.

CB

just wanted you to know jiwoong said that's his own coat that he originally bought to wear to the airport lol

Amal

Everyday, my “jiwoong is pansexual” statement becomes reality

Elle Manzano

For the boyz, I think a lot of deobis who’ve have been with them a while feel that the time where their success was gaining momentum happened around the same time as the merger into IST Ent, and then they were poorly promoted internationally causing them to lose that momentum when it might’ve had the biggest effect.

Momo

Korean beret here again! BTW when Hong Seokcheon says to Gyuvin, "Do you want to go to Hong Kong with me?", it's actually Korean slang for "Do you wanna have a *happy time*" which is why Gyuvin got so flustered and Ddolddol was surprised lmao

mistywolf multi

Yeah as someone who at one point binged all of TBZ mvs, knows all the members and even has a bias (Younghoon) but still doesn't consider myself a deobi, I honestly don't know the exact reason. Maybe its because there was never that specific thing that clicked and made me get invested in them like I did for other groups. I enjoy their music, and I don't really have an issue with the name or number of members (although I haven't gotten into SVT either so that could be a subconsious part of it). I thought the variety content I watched was fun but I didn't find myself seeking out more like I did with my ult groups. Could also just be a timing thing tbh, by the time I found out about them I was already following a lot of other groups and didn't have as much time to dedicate to getting into a new group. I will say it took a while for me to hear about them as a new kpop fan so I think their international marketing is a bit lacking.

Reid Lava

I think y’all would really enjoy New’s blog in Japan. If I remember correctly it’s like 50 minutes of him going around Japan and traveling by himself and sometimes with the group. It’s very wholesome. ALSO did you know Eric and Sunoo from enhyphen were a rumor?? That’s one i definitely believe. It all stemmed from some pics in Jeju that looked like they were on a date at the same café

Dan

Felix has been on jewel box 👀

cabbage

waaaaa i was thinking maybe they did the jewel box and put it up as a treat, and you did! 🩷🥲 happi happi

heebindidthat

haobin will have a long interview show together on the 25th btw! Longer than tingle and it's their first schedule together since then... so excited!

Sarah Grace

I’m waiting for the Haobin Salon Drip video to drop. Jang Doyeon is so funny, I love watching her show.

Reid Lava

Also gyuvin’s dad is head of plastic surgery where he’s from that’s why his dad is analytical about his face

Layla123

I have a slightly different theory about TBZ - I think with i-fans a large part of their growth trajectory is simply due to two factors: timing and audience. Long comment incoming sorry! 1) Timing - they debuted in late 2017, when they (and a bunch of others) were being overshadowed by the most popular boy groups of the time - BTS, EXO, and Wanna One (and you also had SVT who were obviously huge - EBS was a thing!, GOT7, Monsta X also doing really well etc.). Post-Produce alumni were also just debuting around that time. TBZ are technically a post-Produce group, but Haknyeon's fans didn't really like the way he was treated on Produce + he's the only TBZ Produce alum, out of 11 others, so the association isn't as strong. TBZ actually had some attention for their first few comebacks in the kpop sphere, but right afterwards they also ran into SKZ, TXT who come from the Big 4 so they have in-built fanbases, and Ateez had smartly been tapping directly into the international audience from debut. So TBZ kind of missed the boat on that first wave of new i-fans who came in during 2019/20 during Covid, BTS' Dynamite blowing up etc. RTK and Kingdom gave them a chance, and they were really doing extremely well briefly until their company merged with IST, which another comment here has gone into how bad of a move that was for their momentum sadly. 2) Audience - The 'major' fourth gen groups come from big agencies with lots of resources, senior groups, and existing fanbases. The only exception is Ateez but again, Ateez did the thing of going directly to western fans whereas TBZ at the start were very much a "kpop" flower boy group, appealing more to the Asian fans. IMO this is kind of similar to how groups like, say, Cravity, AB6IX etc. all haven't really blown up with western fans in particular in comparison to how they're received in Korea. A lot of the things that contribute to their Korean popularity - their Produce associations for example, their flower boy visuals, the "softer" style of music that they started out with - aren't really factors that seem to be what western audiences typically seem to favour more, especially with what was in trend in 2019-22. What I don't get, though, is the fact that I think TBZ's variety is very well-suited for a western audience, especially with Jacob/Kevin/Eric's English and Kevin's virality/meme potential etc. But then again, I kind of have a personal feeling that fourth gen boy groups are all unfortunately suffering from a lack of enough space in the market since it's taken up by the ones at the very very top (no shade to SKZ/TXT/Enhypen/Ateez, just saying that "smaller" boy groups have not really been able to thrive in fourth gen as much as they used to earlier - I mean everyone in kpop at the time knew groups like B1A4 or Astro, even if they weren't at the top of their gens!)

Kyle Simmons

staring back with its one eye. sorry sorry I couldn't resist.

jihu

the way i had to pause and reflect when jiwoong said he was “open to anything”…i mean it’s not like i’m surprised but

jihu

i think the anti-haobinists at wakeone would do anything to keep haobin from going on seokcheon’s show because imagine they ask some shit like “so what exactly happened in paris?”

Dekindra

I think with the boyz some of it has to do with the song writing

BaoziBang (Tali) 🏳️‍🌈

I have been into kpop since like 2008 and Stan Korean idols from solos to the whole of nct but TBZ just don't grip me and my friends? Like, I like their music, I think they are funny but there is a barrier somehow? They don't feel "inviting" to me

abby

btw tbz have a fun three part variety that they filmed during kingdom in their performance outfits if you ever need to take a break from their misery again (and you’re so valid for that i try not to remember kingdom at all!)

Pond’sPhuphu

It’s uncanny how much Changmin from Kingdom (the contestant ofc not the mc) reminds me of Q from The Boyz too!

Waverly

I assume Key and JoKwon will will end up being Lucky Oppas

Stefan

Regarding TBZ and their popularity abroad: I've heard about their mismatch in popularity a lot, but is it actually objectively even true? When I think about popular active groups over here since 2018 (excluding girl groups and 5th gen), you obviously got your BTS, Seventeen, TXT, Enhypen, NCT, Stray Kidz and the likes at the top, then maybe your Ateez, but surely TBZ would be right after them, wouldn't they? And in Korea it's probably Ateez and TBZ switched, and the rest wouldn't differ that much. To be honest, considering the casual Kpop fan over here, are there even groups outside of the Big 4 + Ateez that get any amount of considerable attention? Because TBZ still are in a league of their own compared to groups like Cravity, AB6IX, ONF, Oneus etc. Also having been myself to multiple Europe stops of TBZ, I can't say that they felt much "smaller" than other groups I've seen in concert... Though maybe I'm off... Anyway, all I can say for myself is that I first took notice of them during Bloom Bloom, but didn't look into them much more at that time (for no particular reason, at that point it hadn't been long since I started venturing out to be a multi stan), and once the first The Stealer teasers dropped I was immediately and completely on board, learned their names in like two days and off I went 😅 They became my full time obsession for at least the following two to three years. I do have trouble actually settling on a "favorite" group or groups (because I don't tend to rank them in my head, I just enjoy supporting many groups as is), but they'd definitely be in consideration for the top spot!

Stefan

Speaking of people with similar energies: Jo Kwon just had a first season of his own Youtube talk show, though I don't think anybody's been on who is in lore. There's also an episode of Lucky Oppa with Jo Kwon as a guest and it's pretty crazy 😂

laurawoong

my 5yrs ago jiwoong stan got healed with this show - i also just laughed until my cheeks hurt 😆

heebindidthat

Gyuvin is also famously living on a dorm floor with only haobin and him (and we hear them in the background of his livestreams sometimes). He is so strong...

FroggyMuds

Felix from skz also was on jewlery box!!

Tesa

these were so fun! i love the idea of mixing lore groups together in one vid for variedays :)

gi ♡

TBZ have always been on the periphery of my kpop experience but I've never really looked tooooo deeply into them or stanned. I think partly due to their music not fully grabbing me, but I do think numbers play a part. Not the sheer number of members, but from the outside looking in I always got the impression that they didn't know what to do with that many members sonically and visually to differentiate them from each other. It's only through this Kingdom rewatch that I've discovered I thought Hyunjae and Eric were the same person, and there's still a few I need to look up every time. Seventeen I found pretty easy to learn, because they're subdivided in a pretty well known unit system, but also because everyone is so distinct. I still find it hard with TBZ unfortunately

karlz 🌷🐛

this is just my personal opinion, but i feel like the reason tbz haven’t really found their place in the international market is bc their branding is (and i don’t mean any offense by saying this) very “korean” despite having 3 members that were raised outside of korea. when we look at groups like skz and enha who have a bigger international audience, the way they are marketed is a lot more aligned with western standards (?) . to adam’s point, they do just seem a tad bit too perfect, which in result, makes them almost seem inauthentic (which is not the case at all please don’t come at me i love tbz) i think western audiences do just like a group who SEEMS like an underdog-rebellious-stand-up-against-the-machine type and not groups that seem a bit too curated

Kpanl_jv

I ask myself the same thing all the time. Tbz even ask this themselves, Sunwoo mentioned it when he was on Hyoyeon's show. From what I've seen, though, when people say they can't get into the boyz, they mostly bring up 3 things. 1) Group is too big. Even carats say, "oh it was so much work learning svt, I don't want to do that again" I've heard this so many times 2) They don't like the music. Many say they don't like how tbz switch between concepts, makes them feel like they don't have an "identity" (whatever that means, ppl just don't like fun ig 😔) 3) Tbz aren't self produced. The most IST would let them do was write lyrics every so often. The members would ask to have their songs in albums and always got shot down. They sure liked to make use of Kevin's art without paying him though 😒 (So glad they left that horrid company, hopefully 100 treats them better)

boop

adam please more talks i love them also yes i think maybe the doll aspect of the boyz is throwing off international fans bc i think fans in the west love the boys next door concept bc thats what our culture is like, we dont have pretty boys we have one directions 5sos etc, boys that are cute charming but a boy u would see on the yard across the street. which i think is why BND got so many i-fans instantly bc even leehan and sungho are like a cute guy at the local library. like i know SF9 is bigger in SEA and i think its bc SEA LOVES a doll like boy. i think if they were to push someone like younghoon more that could get more i-fans like how a lot atinys and other kpop fans are attracted to ateez bc of how casually handsome yunho and san are. its the Abercrombie and fitch of it all.

Pond’sPhuphu

As an international deobi (I don’t even know if I can call myself a deobi…) but hear me out. I know all their names, can detect who’s voice is who and how their personalities are like and what they like and dislikes etc. But I do not know any of their songs besides Stealer and lipgloss (and even that I only know the chorus) Ive on the other hand watched almost all their variety content! I think I fell in love with The Boyz’s wit and each of the members personalities. Me not knowing any of their songs is on me.. it’s not because they’re bad it’s just not my kind of music I like to listen to.

Cheeryfiz

I love that I was watching an Edward Avila GRWM right before I started watching this reaction and he also referenced the Megan the Stallion SNL skit. It's like inception or smth.

Meg

As a Carat and someone casually interested in The Boyz, I feel like I have an answer about why the number of members is different. For me, when I was learning the Seventeen members, I broke it down into the subunits: hip hop unit, performance unit, vocal unit. This made it less overwhelming but also gave each member a clear role within the group. I have trouble remembering some members of The Boyz who don’t have something clearly defining them that makes me remember them. Like, I know that one is a dancer, that one is a rapper, that one speaks English… but there are a few that are like that one is one of the many pretty boys in The Boyz. There are the members that naturally stand out to me, then there are some that I would recognize as being in The Boyz, and then at least one that I might struggle to recognize. After watching the BotM content, I have an easier time, but still struggle a little. The unit system in NCT also helped me learn the members quickly. There’s so much to say about why The Boyz isn’t as recognized internationally.

woodsie

As a deobi i really get adam's reason. I think its also IST's fault too bc they did such a horrible job at handling promotions.

eden

yall should watch poongja

Maritza Islas

Definitely not the name, because hell, I love BOYS II MEN and Im sure they are in their 40s and 50s... I just got into The Boyz by watching your content. Ive known who they were since the beginning of my kpop journey. For me personally I feel like they didnt/dont get promoted enough in the states. I say this because for years I assumed they were only 5 or 6 members. It wasnt until a friend told me they had 11, once 12, members that I was shocked. I wish I wouldve looked into them before. That said, Im happy that they were able to get resigned with a new company and Im excited to see what the future holds for them. So far, I watched their fanmeet and I saw they went to an event over the weekend, so Im only expecting nothing but good things from here on out. It'll be tough once they all start going to the military, but we can say that about any group, really.

isa ♡

since you watched all ppkrit mv's you guys should also watch billkin's music videos 🥺 they are so goood

Maritza Islas

Q and Soobin?! My 2 biases... please someone elaborate on that rumor lol

Suziee

"who isn't doing this in Thailand" 😂💯😌

Chuchu Online

Thank you for this surprise Jewelry Box reaction with the Kim Bros! Honestly, I hope that all nine of them can attend Jewelry Box in the future as well...Wakeone finally let Haobin have a joint schedule so there's hope!

Neels

he's wearing patent two-toned penny loafers! I used to be obsessed with those in high school

zaphyre

Not the church and state separation between Jiwoong’s acting career and idol career 😭 Adam always says the funniest shit I swear lmao

Jothemonster

My personal reason for not getting into TBZ earlier even after watching RTK and Kingdom is because I thought they were cool. Now that I know they are silly weirdos I can't get enough

Po

I need the notes tier lol 😂

raerae

I felt like I was seeing sacred texts when rj exposed the sticky note

Jasmin💙

The notes tier needs to be real I’m being so serious

iemiliah

funny you should mention gyuvins acceptance speech, i just rewatched the whole show and last ep today for the 5th time and still shed tears during their speeches😭and i think ive rewatched ur bp recaps four times too so idk when i will stop this madness,,,,