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KinnPorsche | Episode 05 (Patreon)

Published:
2025-03-26 14:00:18
Edited:
2025-06-04 15:11:30
Imported:
2026-06

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just juni 🚬

Yall dropping this right before i go into work is nastyyy work.. 😭😭

Megan

I want to say that I don't think there was anything wrong with the way you guys reacted to that scene last week. Of course you look back on the context and go "oh that's not right", but it's okay to have mixed feelings about things in fiction that are not acceptable in real life! The fandom discourse was definitely crazy while the show was airing and it is something that should be talked about, but at the same time when people would act like you shouldn't root for kinn and porsche as a couple anymore due to that scene (or even watch the show at all), I just wondered if they were aware of what kind of show kinnporsche is to begin with. Why can people accept literal murder in the show but not this? Especially when it is addressed and shown to be bad. I just don't like the idea that we can't explore things in fiction that are morally grey or even black. Just a heads up that there is an even murkier situation in later episodes with other characters, so be prepared for that.

Brittany

Perth really is a sweetheart! He also has a photo book coming out soon

wen

somehow every week i forget u guys are reacting to this, so every notification i get is like a jumpscare

jas

reallllll, it still feels like a fever dream

Jonjal

Rj is Banana ketchup

Auburn

You bring up a good point that a lot of us are coming having already watched the whole show, which makes it hard to have a conversation bc I really don't want to spoil you! Haha. But we're itching to talk! I have my own problems with the show, but they don't make sense until you have the whole picture. I think some of the issues come from the assault coming from our romantic lead, Kinn. Porsche was put into the terrible situation by our antagonist, but the person who did the act of violence was the person we wanted to fall in love with (alongside Porsche), and he kind of ruined the momentum. My memory might be wrong, but assault had happened in BL, but it was rare coming from the love interest. People also probably see it as betrayal to Porsche AND themselves. As you guys mentioned, I think the bulk of BL fans are women, who unfortunately suffer from a lot of sexual violence and use BL as a safe escape. It's just not hot. Period. And makes the audience dislike Kinn. This is obvious to say, but this is why trigger warnings are so important and I'm glad they're in dark romance books. At the time, there wasn't a lot of dark romances, so it was jarring. It makes me wonder how this series would be received today now that the BL genre has expanded so much. On the storyteller side! It's now the production's job to have us, the audience, forgive Kinn. They can have Porsche forgive Kinn easily, they're writing him and can do whatever. But as the audience, we have to be convinced to still like him and root for him. Then, it's just a matter of opinion how well that's handled from person to person. Personally, I still liked the show by the end and I do like Kinn and Porsche as a couple. But this is my second watch, so I'm curious if my opinion will change

Auburn

oh my god. I haven't written a comment this long since Only Friends. I'm sweating.

Zharia 🩵💜

Diane & Diana cracked me up. My mom did that with me and one of my younger sister’s middle names. Mine is Alexandra and hers is Alexandria. 😂

Char

The discourse around these 2 eps was A Lot. I think like the fact that the show shows porsche so upset over the sexual assault but then like has kinn come in be all jokey and comedic. I also think that it was hard to digest as watching it week to week you were not sure how the show would handle it as in other bl sexual assault scenes between the main pairing are brushed off and not acknowledged as such (see Love Mechanics), so it's hard to deal with, as well the official kinn porche account after the episode posted like information about GHB and its effects. Kinn's lack of accountability too like the fact he doesn't perceive having sex with porsche while porsche is drugged and he's sober as a bad thing, he only feels guilty for punishing porsche. I also wasn't a fan of the joke like after porsche almost self harms with the lighter about tankhun possibly assaulting Pete.

Auburn

The translations are so out of pocket: "mamma mia", "Talk of the town", and "the raddest" have to be jokes. They cannot be serious. The translators are comedians, trying to add something light during all the angst lol

Auburn

y'all joke but my brother's name, Duke is inspired by Mayo and me, Auburn was named after the football team. So, in Thai, we probably would've been nicknamed Mayo and Football

GGatiny

I agree a lot with what you said. I have rewatched this multiple times and personally I haven't changed my thoughts around Kinn to disliking him. I think the show writers did poorly around the scene but even as the show progresses with what happens I don't get why some seem to be fine with the later others. Trying to not say too much. But yea this is true definition of dark romance. Bc if anyone is a reader in that genre then this isn't as shocking. But not to take away that it's wrong still.

jas

oh im sooo excited for next episode

Auburn

You can tell the showrunners really wanted to lay the drama on thick, Haha. But it is a show and conflict must happen to stay interesting, especially a mafia show. And I know what you mean, that's a whole other can of worms! But we'll write essays about that too, I'm sure, haha. I actually don't think my opinion on KinnPorsche as a couple will change. I think I'll still like them at the end. But it is interesting after all this time, I'm still thinking hard about this show! Haha. To me, it truly comes down to people having a hard time grasping not everything is made for them. Some shows aren't made for certain audiences and some people on the internet don't understand that and get mad when shows don't bend to their tastes. Some things are for a more niche circle! For example, I didn't like My Personal Weather Man. I tried watching it, but it wasn't for me. So, I simply let it go and I'm glad other people enjoyed it. Meanwhile I LOVE Enchante from 2022, which a lot of people disliked and I'm totally cool with that. Dark romance isn't for everybody and that should be okay. Dark and fluffy romance should be allowed to exist at once. Some people on the internet have a habit of taking it personally if you have a different opinion than what they think is "right". I know. Shocker, haha

BaoziBang (Tali) 🏳️‍🌈

About the English... Bible, Perth and Ta are actually more used to English than Thai and especially Bible had a big problem with the Script. I don't think the original script has any or at least so much English in it. Jeff speaks both fluently and I actually have no idea what's more comfortable for him but most of the interviews I saw of him were also in English.

Love Lynn

Yes and the show gave Bible leeway with changing some of the Thai lines into English. He is full Thai born and raised but went to International schools and his family spoke English at home so he’s more comfortable with English.

GGatiny

Perfectly said! 👏

GGatiny

Well said!

Megan

Thanks! I feel in the last few years fandom has become so odd about people who enjoy fiction that portrays things that aren't okay in real life and I really hate that. It's fiction!

Tina Oestreich

Very well said!! I also think, you know, humans are messy, for the lack of a better word. I would not doubt for a second that some couples have gone through similar situations out there in the billions of people on the earth. Why should art limit itself to showing only specific types of relationships?

Layla123

Full disclosure that I very recently watched this show and wasn't around for the heights of discourse around it specifically. Your points about how TV (and media) in the 2010s started to just push sexual trauma onto characters were very interesting. As an avid GoT watcher (among others) I also perhaps got a bit desensitised to grey depictions in media, for example. I'm a big reader, and when I was growing up in the 00s I was exposed to a whole spectrum of narratives, both dark and light - but I don't think I've noticed how prevalent it's become in visual media as well, particularly in the Western sphere because BLs, as you pointed out, so rarely venture into this genre. The way they treat sexual violence (also in the context of being compared to violence which just gets given a pass) is a whole discussion in itself for sure. That said, I think there has been a huge problem recently with whitewashing media and just wanting everything to be super wholesome and perfect and non-controversial. The premise of this show which was established in the first few minutes is literally that this is about the mafia. I can't expect a show which has literal murder but also only a sweet wholesome romance then! Life doesn't work like that - you need to be able to understand that things like this can happen, people are in fact at risk and you need to know how to protect yourself. You can't do that if you just ignore the possibility of such storylines and what you can take away from these things as a result. So while I fully agree that if someone feels uncomfortable and are drawing a line saying a show like KP isn't for them, that's perfectly fine and understandable, but the other extreme (that I gather from some of the MDL comments reading them now after the fact lol) of saying it's morally abhorrent so it shouldn't exist at all is going over the top.

el

Nowadays if you like any morally dubious character people will immediately accuse you of "excusing xyz, fetishizing xyz, promoting xyz" and it's like.... This is a cast of imperfect characters, I obviously wouldn't enjoy any of this in real life, but it's a show. People like fictional murderers, but that doesn't mean they want to kill someone lol. Plus if every character was a perfect angel, that wouldn't make for compelling TV

Hody🌹🩵

Ever since you mentioned about the cow community I see Mile as a cow too, also the actor from my golden blood. Attractive cows🤭 Kinn's behavior still irritates me till this day, I am furious all over again

Layla123

Exactly! the line between fiction and reality is so crucial to remember

Lisa M T

In the original airing I don't remember seeing mamma mia EVER! Why would a thai person use an Italian phrase

Lisa M T

I think the weird romantization of the Mafia is bizarre. How many fan fictions, Mangas etc idolize the mob?

han

the scene of porsche in the bathroom after he's punished is genuinely one of my fav scenes from this whole show... like the lighting, the visual and sound cuts between past and present, apo's acting.... IT KILLS

Jess_for_short

I had a roommate named Anna and her sisters’ names were Hannah and Susannah. For real

Ry_Noona

I adore Tankhun. You can tell he cares about his brothers so much and that he knows what is going on really well, he just likes to be absurd so he doesn’t have to be the one in charge. He’s a fantastic character. Plus Tong, the actor is amazing. He goes crazy during Pride and all year to support diversity and inclusion, is an amazing father to his adopted son…he’s the cutest and most wholesome person.

Ry_Noona

Also RJ, he DOES NOT think it is Kinn that drugged him. If you remember when he woke up he asked Kinn if they had found the ones who did it yet. He knows there was someone else, just has no reason to believe it was Vegas. He doesn’t know Vegas’ particular brand of crazy yet. He knows Kinn took advantage of him being drugged, but knows he didn’t do it. Kinn also doesn’t know it was Vegas, I’m not even sure he suspects him. They just hate each other for other reasons, mainly that they have been pitted against each other their whole lives by their fathers.

Ry_Noona

The Theerapanyakul brothers (Khun, Kinn and Kim) actual names are Tankhun, Anakinn, and Kimhan. The Kittisawat brothers (Porsche and Porchay) are Pachara and Pitchaya.

Annie LV

I pray on the regular for KP to move to Viki so we get legit subs

emmadilemma

In the end I am a fan of this show and I’m glad they address this consent issue. However, it is still a choice for the story that they have the two who were in that situation couple up (spoiler alert). Would someone in Porsche’s situation really end up loving the other person? Is that healthy? … but this isn’t real life I know! Just food for thought. Also Vegas is so much worse so this ends up seeming mild

Megan

Thanks! Yep it's definitely realistic to someone's story and worth being told. Also, the show is clearly geared towards adults. I'm fine with trigger warnings so people can choose to avoid certain things that are personal to them, but we shouldn't be trying to erase immorality in fiction.

Megan

It's definitely something they try to make seem cool and it's not my usual cup of tea, but if it's bl I'll give it a try 😂

Jasmin💙

Downton Abbey is such a good reference in regard to this. I remember watching that scene at the time being shocked they would do that to poor Anna, it was so violent and totally off for that show, it really felt out of place. I haven’t seen Kinnporsche so this is also my first watch with you guys, this scene didn’t necessarily feel out of place and especially now with the continuation of the episode it seems more well handled. Obviously I have no idea what the rest of show holds, but so far it seems well done!

Shady_NewYorker

First time watching, so I was surprised by the assault. During its airtime, I waited for it to end to binge it. Then the whole poi thing came out and I refused to watch. However, I will say this show deals with mafia and crime. So I'm not surprised criminal organization doesn't dip their toes in all types of horrific behavior. If you want to portray a criminal family, I feel all crimes are at some point to happened. But the turning into lovers is just too awful.

❣️ Vladlena ❣️

As long as it not real life, I enjoy dark type love stories, so…. For my its wasn’t sexual assault in the end of last episode (but definitely a grey area!). But I think sometime people overthinking about tv content and it’s kill the joy of watching process! I mean… it’s not real anyways. And it is not fluffy show, so how was it shocking? 🤷🏻‍♀️ I hope you guys have fun with the show, because it’s only a tip of the iceberg regarding dark side of story!

S u n f l o w e r

Y si, se va a poner aún más oscuro todo jajaja

Lisa M T

Ya'll wouldve hated General Hospital in the 1980's. The lead couple Luke and Laura fell in love and got married after he sexually assaulted her. They were the big romance touted as a fairy tale....

Lynn Pratt

I really like what the youtuber Psynergic (who is a psychologist that specialized in sexual trauma) said about this storyline, which is that ultimately only the person assaulted gets to decide how they feel about it and whether the perpetrator is worthy of forgiveness. Given the expectations of the genre they were working in, I think the show did a pretty good job of not romanticizing the assault or glossing over Kinn's blame in it. Now, should we be fighting to change those genre expectations to allow for more blatantly critical takes on these sort of situations? Yep. But change is slow and imo KP did quite a bit to shift these darker, more violent types of dramas into a direction away from romanticizing sexual violence.

Charline

Side note but if I remember correctly both Apo and Jeff spent a lot of time with Barcode to build a relationship with him. Jeff was playing video games with him quite a lot so barcode would be more comfortable with him, because he was so young and inexperienced

Patricia

fun fact: jackson wang threw a party at kinn’s family house on the year the show was released. Swan in that pool and everything

Banda

The reason there's so much english in kinnporsche is both perth and bible english is their native language and if a line was hard for them in thai, they'd just say it in english.

YJH

Its crazy cause there’s so much sexual assault in bls! Especially the early ones and it was always played as a joke. The latest bls understood that a top isnt obligated to take advantage of the bottom (cause it was always that) for the plot to advance so Im grateful.

Live_toxin

As an Australian I am sorry to inform you that it would be better for all if those accents were never attempted again

nani

During this video you brought up lots of important conversations and aspects that at the time I watched this series I didn't actually thought deeply about it, but I just wanna say about Adam's comment on sibling names that I'm Anna and my older sister is Ana (but we have different second names, that start with the same letter)

erty

engaging with what you're watching with more than in the most superficial way is not overthinking and it doesnt spoil joy. it can enrich your experience and your perspective. deciding factor in if it is or if it is not violence (portrayed, in this scenario) is consent - and deffinatelly not if the third party enjoys watching it. and Porsche was drugged with roofie, i believe, and taken sexual advantage of in that state. its not consentual for sure, the question is how far you want to stretch the so called grey zone. Consent is pretty simple and straightforward; non-consentual acts get to be explained away and called debatable almost in every case. if you just seek a way to permit yourself to enjoy watching non-consentual sexual scenarios, framing them as smth but what it is is probably the most potentially dangerous way to go about it. you say yourself "as long as it's not in real life" so there is no need to twist what is being portrayed. for me its important how its portrayed, but i dont think show intended to make this heavy plot point sexy and inconsequential, as Adam and RJ explained: the way it's filmed, the way it gets addressed in the show, somewhat; the fact that production posted a PA about roofies after that episode. i believe they know what they are doing and are trying to go about it responsibly, successfully or not. i dont think they seek to gloss over it, i dont think they invite audience to gloss over it

Amanda

I do think SA is often used to show that one or both people were interested...but, they couldn't do it sober. And, it's rarely addressed as SA; it's used as a relationship stepping stone. I'm watching this show for the first time in these reaction videos, so I don't know what's to come, but I definitely appreciate that Porsche is being allowed to kind of grieve and struggle through this. Not that it's fun to watch, but it's more realistic and allows the character to feel human. Especially since Porsche's character has spoken out against another character being homophobic, we know he isn't just shocked or upset that it was a man. It's not just a sexuality crisis, it's a crime against him.

Kylie

Lmao what ? Only white ppl can speak english now…?💀