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Tal27🐈

Well as a Marlboro gold smoker myself, it is literally just lighter. When I smoke the red one I can feel it is stronger idk why its just like that. Red is construction worker's cigarettes. Don't smoke btw❤️

reme

“FLESH SNAKES” had me choking on my drink… y’all almost had one less beret 😟

senni k

you are so funny🤣thank you for the reaction❤️ Also Angy Birds Finland mentioned! (it's made by a Finnish person)

reme

Adam’s biggest fears all in one place: potential octopi, snakes and mismatched plaid shirts😭😭😭

CRTJ

this ringtone is giving me a panic attack

Ren So

The show is so wild. It will go from crazy snake plot to them cuddling and WSW looking at CC all sweet. They make me sick.

Gurocandii

Love whatever comes over both of you guys, and seemingly your entire house, the second you start watching this show 🙏🏻

ST

Tian Xuning only found out it was Ziyu's birthday 2 days before the actual day. They had only known each other for like 12 days at that point, but they got close really quickly. By day 2 of filming TXN was already bugging Ziyu to stay on set to accompany him, even when Ziyu's scenes were over. On Ziyu's birthday, TXN stayed late so he could be the first to celebrate Ziyu's birthday at midnight. And then the next day he went out to buy him a custom cake and bouquet of flowers~ They're so cute I hate them <3

Elina M

That's not courting, it's attempted manslaughter!😄 Death by a thousand Marlboros.

jas

the romance is starting to romance and im worried for adam’s sanity

Lisa M T

Lmao... its a Trifecta of phobias.

AZALEA

Adam’s shock at chi cheng gooning had me in tears 😭😭

Eleonora

RJ and Adam yearn for the smurfs

CM DaiFan

In Japan, those cigarettes are (or at least were) called Marlboro Lights. I know because that's what my first boyfriend smoked (many years ago; we met in Tokyo). "Light" cigarettes are supposed to have less tar and nicotine, but I've read that nicotine addicts (and he was an addict -- a lifetime of smoking helped bring on an early stroke) will smoke more "light" cigarettes to get the same amount of nicotine. The smoking is the one thing I really dislike about this show -- I've seen what smoking does to people (including my ex).

Yemidotcom

…justice for Meredith Blake!!!

CM DaiFan

Is there someone here who speaks Chinese? I wonder what word is being translated as "master" -- is it something like "sensei" (maybe written by with the same characters)? Dr. Jiang is not Wu Suo Wei's "master" as in "master and slave" but I guess something like the old sense in English of a "master" as teacher or expert who takes on a disciple.

Steph K

He says "shifu" which, as a non-Chinese-speaking girlie who watched The Untamed, I can tell you is what they called the old uncle in that.

tamaya roberts

a doctorate in yaoiology is the best thing i’ve heard today

Tahlia

To be honest, I kinda like the blue lighting on the both of you.

Kazuki NOW

Yeah the smoking is pretty intense

Banda

yeah so it's the term used in books and movies about ancient china to mean someone's martial arts master. It's master as in someone who trains you and teaches you. In modern times, I've heard it used in a lot of different ways, but I think here it's a reference to that older master/disciple relationship.

Nina1110

Ziyu and Tian's chemistry is just something else!! They could stare into each others eyes and you could feel the tension through the screen !!

C

Episdoes

Auburn

I was so excited to turn on these episodes, knowing what was coming 😂

Auburn

I love Yue Yue. She's as insane as everyone else and I'd never blame a girl for trying to bag someone rich. I'm actually more excited for the older sister to pop up more. She's the best!

C

the title change 🤣 i love you guys

Alissa

for how completely off the wall nutty this show is they really do the romantic moments so well LOL Tian Xuning and Ziyu do a great job of giving those softer butterfly-inducing moments more weight

Lisa M T

Light is less nicotine! AND My idiot rescued Cockapoo LOVES to eat kleenex or napkins. We joke its her fiber.

Lisa M T

Old lady advice to RJ, NEVER PASS UP on any kind of pampering. Go do your spa scrub thing! ✨️

helloadriene

This show is so wild, I truly don't know what to expect every week lmao

CM DaiFan

@Banda/@StephK. What the two of you say make sense. I would guess that "guru" probably comes closest in contemporary English to "shifu".

Brittany

I have to say, I have watched these episodes twice now and have only just now understood the snake plan. Literal lightbulb moment

Aileen

adam! if you're afraid of mixed plaids you need to stay as far away from china as possible. it'd be jumpscares at every turn

Pixie

Not flesh snakes, RJ🤣 It's giving snake cuddling à la BillyBabe lol

Jasmine

they completely sell it

Jasmine

Was waiting for the reaction to Chi Cheng in "that" scene and it was totally worth it. And yes they are enjoying themselves way too much in those bts clips.

Jennie M

I’m going to be totally honest and say that every time the snake plot comes up I completely zone out

Caspian Walters

I have been summoned 👔 I'm also not a fan of this mixed plaid shirt - it's kinda basic and these two plaids are remind me of the boys from the rural town I grew up in. Boot!

hayyy_png

the way this show is not only insane but induces insanity upon its viewers 😭

Jennie M

Also not me correcting poisonous to venomous right before Adam

Banda

Adam, if you're genuinely curious about the names, the "cheng" in chi cheng and guo chengyu are two completely different words.

I_KPOP_Fan (Ry_Noona)

Yeah, y’all’s lighting or your camera was changing colors the WHOLE time you filmed. From yellow to blue to purple. It was crazy lol

❣️ Vladlena ❣️

3:40 – RJ: “Fellows, is it hot to buy your… little gay… cigarettes?” Me: It’s hot to buy ANYTHING your crush shows interest in! I love how invested Adam was in the belt scene 😅 29:19 – “This man has the patience of a saint.” – I thought the same! “He’s not gonna get rid of snakes. They’re his thing. It’s kinda his defining characteristic.” — don’t underestimate the power of true love! Adam realized way quicker what Chi Cheng was doing at 48:44, because I was flabbergasted when I finally understood he was masturbating 🙈

❣️ Vladlena ❣️

Adam: “I’m really curious at what point it’s gonna be like ‘I’m accepting that I like him.’” Wu Suowei, one second later: starts jerking off Adam and RJ: 😲😲😲😲😲 Me: 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 But I was dying from secondhand embarrassment when Chi Cheng walked in while that was happening.

❣️ Vladlena ❣️

55:28 – “He’s gonna eat him alive.” — I mean, Chi Cheng has suffered enough at this point 😅😅😅 When Chi Cheng gave Suowei his credit card I was like: “Sir! You are a true man! I’m on your side.” “Even if you do nothing every day, I would still love you.” — Damn, Chi Cheng is a romantic and a poet! And that final scene on the couch was soooo sweet and hot at the same time, I can’t 😭

❣️ Vladlena ❣️

BTS is the separate type of pleasure! 1:32:23 – yes, they truly had way too much fun!!! 1:34:54 – that moment made me gag too, RJ! 1:38:49 – the ass slap sent me 🙈

Stefan

Ooof, that ending of episode 8 really sold me. I love the romantic moments that are happening more and more often

Hamzamirul97

Ngl, I have watched this show a couple of times and still don’t get the snake plot like you are trying to replace what snakes with what other snakes??

Kazuki NOW

This show is everything bls should be

Ziggy_Zade

Ok I'm ignoring the snakes officially and focusing on the chemistry. The behinds have me giggling and blushing and kicking my feet they're so good (the shy smiles whyyy)

ST

this show literally took over my brain, i feel crazy whenever I watch it XD but I can't stop

ST

Revenged Love The Series: WSW: I'm a straight man. I don't kiss guys, ew. Revenged Love BTS: Director: Ziyu you have to act more disgusted! Ziyu you have to actually fight him off! Ziyu stop welcoming his kisses, you're not supposed to like them! TXN: Are you sure you're straight? Ziyu: Hehe :3 The way none of those BTS translations are exaggerations.....

ST

As to why Chicheng keeps saying he'll do what he promised, or he'll return what he owes. It's a bit abstract, but basically CC is feeling 心疼. for WSW. He knows what he's putting WSW through knows its wrong and has a strong sense of wanting to make it up to him. The entire time, CC doesn't know about the revenge plot. He thinks WSW genuinely likes him and is jealous of Yueyue. So in his mind, CC thinks he is hurting WSW by staying with Yueyue while also pursuing him. The right thing to do by WSW would be to end things with one or the other but CC is too attracted to WSW to leave WSW alone, at the same time he also can't break up with Yueyue until the snakes are safely back in his possession. In the beginning, CC didn't care about WSW that much, so letting WSW think he's twotiming them is funny. He laughs along with it when WSW keeps accusing him of being greedy or having his cake and eating it too. CC constantly implies he's going on dates or being intimate with Yueyue. He never explains that Yueyue is just a tool to get his snakes back and he doesn't have any feelings for her, because his relationship with WSW just isn't that deep. But as time passes and CC begins to genuinely fall for WSW, he does realize he is being a jerk and WSW's feelings are genuinely getting hurt. Even after WSW finds out the real reason CC is dating Yueyue, CC knows WSW is hurting everytime he chooses his snakes (and Yueyue) over WSW. It might be a cultural thing but chastity and loyalty is like the gold standard for Chinese romance (it's very common to see the tag or trope 1V1). Many TV shows and novels would rather kill a couple than let them be intimate with someone different from their main couple. So CC going on an overseas trip with Yueyue, implying they might get intimate IS GASPPPP. A CLEAR SHOW OF SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T LOVE YOU! and CC telling WSW to leave because YY was coming over (implying WSW is the other woman who has to remain in the dark, while YY is the real girlfriend). OOF, extremely not cool. (while cheating is 1000% not cool everywhere, there's especially strong meaning for this because of the harem culture in Chinese history. So in the past where chinese men could have multiple wives, a wife's position in the household was purely determined by how much her man liked her above the others. if she was the favorite she was lorded over all, if not she could just be trampled by everyone. So even if the male has multiple wives or love interests, the main female has to be his favorite or the one most doted on) Anyhoo, CC has left WSW down on every level and he knows it. In Chinese, we commonly say 欠一个人情, which literally means to owe someone a favor, but often carries connotations of 'self blame' and guilt. Because CC loves WSW now, he feels bad everytime he hurts him or puts him in situations which make him feel (委屈)aggrieved, or not important. So, when CC repeats this phrase of 'making good on his promise', or 'repaying whatever WSW is owed', it's not really a specific thing, but more like he is telling WSW he knows how bad he is making WSW feel, he acknowledges it is all his fault, and even though he can't explain why he has to do it, he is promising to make it up to him later. 😭😭😭😭😭 Thanks for listening to my TED talk

Boys Love Boys Love!

genuinely thank you for this, i just started assuming he literally owed him a tangible thing that i missed in all the snake plot

Alissa

This is such an eloquent, well put-together explanation, thank you!! 🥹

CM DaiFan

1:25:00. Cherry Magic (Japanese original) ep. 4, 12:16. All of televised BL is a footnote to Cherry Magic.

CM DaiFan

This is exactly the kind of deep-background, cultural commentary that really helps with understanding. Thank you.

Ebony Coco

The only thing they're missing is a clown lol

Pond’sPhuphu

I simply do not remember the plot either.. I’m just here for the pretty faces, freaky scenes and deep moanings in my ears

ST

glad that helped! I think the reason RL resonated so much for me is because its so *chinese* . I love Thai /JP/KR BL too but, this is an obsession on a different level because a lot of the choices they make are really heartwarming and sweet, and maybe that might not come across with the poor translations and without the cultural context. there's so much unspoken things in the show that are so squeal worthy. In chinese culture, you NEVER say what you mean and it is all implied through actions, consideration and words of service. Ask a Chinese person when the last time they said I love you was, they can definitely count on their fingers how many times they've said it in their life. So yes, CC often speaks in a rough, demeaning way, makes jokes about things that would make most of us clutch our pearls. But that's actually not seen as terrible in Chinese culture, because it's quite tsundere. Like I can bully you and no one else can, implying we're SO close we can speak rudely or show our bad sides to each other, and still be accepted unconditionally. And its the unspoken understanding that its all bark and no bite: I only bully you about dumb stuff but you know I have your back when it comes to the big important life things. Even if CC pushes the envelope with Weiwei, he's mostly all talk and he stops when WSW feels uncomfortable. This is very very Chinese couple coded. When you look at CC's actions, he clearly notices everything that is going on with WSW. He notices the old clothes, the old sheets, the cigarettes and just provides them without any prompting from anyone. It basically screams I notice and care about everything about you. You don't have to say a word and I understand why you do the things you do - including scheme against me. You don't have to explain yourself because I see through the mask you put on to the world to who you are and love you for who you are inside, I'll do everything I can to make your life easier. And I don't even make a big deal about it because i don't need you to thank me for it. (When he sends WSW stuff, he never is around when its delivered, nor does he ask about it) Yes CC constantly says shit, but WSW can see most of it is just a facade and he knows how much CC actually cares for him beneath it all. In fact, most chinese people shit talk when they feel emotional because showing vulnerability openly? TABOO! Let's just cover it up with insults and horrible jokes so no one can tell we FEEL THINGS! Fun fact: You can always tell which is the main couple in a chinese drama because they always say the opposite of what they feel. If someone in the drama is making big declarations of love, you can bet you're soon going to find out he's cheating/or the bad guy. In chinese culture, talk is cheap. We show, not tell. CC is an asshole in every area of his life, but in front of WSW's mom he shows utmost respect and consideration (this is like the greenest most heartwarming flag for Chinese people.) He buys her expensive health foods, sends her groceries, and basically he's saying your family is my family & my responsibility. Guys, this is 1000% expression of true love, marriage levels for Chinese people, no wonder WSW softened on him. In WSW's home, WSW complained about CC ruining all his business ventures, which he only opened to be able to support his mom who's lived in poverty her whole life. (Again, one thing you never mess with with another Chinese person is family, so CC is really a jerk). CC realizes this and says 'This bully has your back' implying that going forward even if he does tease and grope WSW, against everyone else CC is going to be his biggest supporter esp in regards of taking care of WSW's family. (This is again pretty much marriage proposal levels of love) And CC proves that by being WSW's financial backer and introducing him to investors when they open the company.) I think what's so fun about RL is on the surface it really is funny, outrageous and out of this world, but when you look at all the details, the things people don't say, it's just so full of this really pure, deep love. They never really rub it in your face but it comes through in everything the characters do, not say. The way CC speaks is is very straight man, thug, asshole, rough speak, and even when he teases WSW it's pretty crude, but later as they fall in love, the nicknames he gives WSW change, his tone changes, everything changes, and it's so soft. He even stops smoking in front of him, and really given the kind of asshole we know he is from ep 1 it's all these details that are sooo T___T

ST

NGL I thought this plot point was so convoluted too but here goes. CC only cares about the snake he owns. He doesn't love all snakes, but the snakes he has collected have a special meaning for him. So he wants them back. When they're all back, he'll be able to stop working for his dad and stop dating Yueyue. The beginning half of the show involves CC trying to find where his snakes are being held, he suspects its at his dad's company, that's why he manhandles WSW in Ep 1 when WSW won't let him check the van. The van doesn't contain snakes, but it does contain the beginning of their love story :3 Anyhow, WSW finds out the snakes are being held in the company kitchen and decides to help CC by smuggling them out. (He wants to CC to dump Yueyue so bad guys) CC's dad is not so much of an asshole that he would kill or hurt CC's snakes. He's just holding them ransom so CC will be a good straight boy. So if CC/WSW were to start stealing the snakes, CC's dad would notice some are missing, realize something is wrong and move the snakes to a new secret location. To avoid that, WSW begins bribing the cooks in the kitchen to replace CC's actual snakes with snakes that look similar, so the numbers still add up. Separately, CC comes up with the same plan so they're both smuggling out snakes, not knowing the other is doing the same. Anyhow I believe this plot will come to an end soon and these details aren't important to the overall story, but that's it if anyone is curious.

ST

Just adding on, in ancient times a shifu-tudi (master-disciple) relationship was quite a serious one. A disciple can only take one shifu, so you'd choose one and choose well because it's a lifelong obligation and apprenticeship. Often you had to leave home to live, work and train with your master, so once you're of age master>family and you have to do whatever they say or think is right for the rest of your life. From the master's perspective they're also responsible to you and your growth and have to guide you for the rest of your life just like you're their own child. So there's a lot more mutual care, obligation and investment than the modern teacher-student relationship. It's hilarious that they appropriated this 'heavy' vocabulary for such a light hearted show. But that makes it extra cute and both the boys take their master-disciple relationship extremely seriously. We see JXS braving the rain, pulling out all the stops to help WSW get his man. We also see in the beginning WSW getting on his knees and bowing to JXS, which is traditionally the way you'd ask a master to take you in. :3

ST

2nd Couple BTS Photoshoot Translation because they're too cute GCY: My eyes are small, when I wear glasses, I have to dress up [to look good]. If I had big eyes like yours, my God, I wouldn’t even need to open my mouth, I’d just speak with my eyes. JXS: Really? GCY: Yeah. GCY: Come on JXS: Come on GCY: we’re ready. Photographer: Lean your faces on each other GCY: Lean on me more! JXS: Ok. JXS: Don’t lift your hand, do this. *makes CY hug him* GCY: Like this? JXS: Mmhmm, makes me feel so secure~ Photog: Ok now look at the camera GCY puts one arm behind him. Photog: You guys can keep hugging JXS: Hug meeee! Photog: Good, GCY watch your expression JXS: Don’t look so serious. Love me a bit more okay? GCY: No, I think I need to put this hand down. JXS looks unimpressed. GCY: Sitting like this, half leaning and half sitting isn’t very comfortable JXS: You’re so weak I don’t love you anymore GCY: Ok, ok, I’m weak. JXS: I’ll just slightly lean on you so it’ll be lighter They're so stupid I hate them T__T

Hamzamirul97

This is genuinely so helpful, what? I have always wondered how exciting it is for some people to watch bls or any form of media and be able to understand the cultural context to it because my country does not produce high quality shows at all like ever, I can only think of two genuinely good local shows for the past decade

CM DaiFan

Again, thank you so much (and for your comment below on shifu/tudi). I lived in Japan for many years, my spouse/partner is Japanese, and there are certain similarities (e.g., the master/disciple relationship) but the two countries are ultimately different and it's dangerous to extrapolate from one to the other. (Someone should do. a detailed cross-cultural comparison-cum-analysis: CC vs. Kurosawa; WSW vs. Adachi.). I sometimes try to throw in my proverbial two cents when RJ and Adam are commenting on a Japanese show (I should have posted something about the bathtub in the Beautiful Man movie -- the scene was hot in both senses of the word but there were layers of meaning that only a Japanese or someone who had spent many years in Japan would immediately grasp) Adam and RJ should recruit you for any Chinese show they do going forward. This all is so fascinating.

ST

Same! Tbh I hadn't really watched Chinese BLs before, I was always more of a Thai BL/Korean BL kinda girlie but yeah this definitely hit so different. As someone who grew up in Asia but went to college and worked in the US, how love feels and how its defined is sooo different in each country. And it's funny because definitely what I would see as a green flag couple in a Chinese drama is drastically different from an American/European drama. So it's also been fun to kind of be able to experience falling in love with different cultural connotations.

ST

Oh my gosh, I haven't seen Beautiful Man but now I have to! :) To be honest, there's so much to love about Asian media. The language itself is just so beautiful because it's so contextual and implicit compared to Western languages. I think that causes a lot of issues with the subtitles because you have to have a lot of context or be really dialed into what they're saying to get all the pronouns right. Just like the way the word "no" exists in Japanese, but people NEVER use it aside from giving directions because its understood you just don't reject people directly. You might hesitate, and that's enough for people to know your meaning. And I think a lot of people who speak English might just be annoyed with that and feel like well why don't you just actually say what you mean instead of saying the opposite and being all passive aggressive and sure at times that's a valid criticism, and when I was working in America I definitely would get annoyed with people who weren't direct. But there is also something beautiful about reading beneath the surface, and understanding what is sometimes hard to say aloud. The Japanese language is also so beautiful to me. I mean I think there are many similar values as Chinese, but there's such a quite and deep yearning in the way they portray love and life which I find so full and beautiful and romantic and heartbreaking. Given your background, I wonder if you see similarities between Japanese and Chinese portrayals of love? I think the implicit rather than explicit communication, familial obligations, the quiet self sacrifice is quite emblematic in portrayals of Asian love. But I wonder what you felt watching RL compared to something like BM?

CM DaiFan

Oh, of course I see similarities between Japanese and Chinese (and for that matter Thai) portrayals of love (haven't watched any Korean) . Not only do they all differ at some fundamental level from Western, they are filling a need that the West can't grasp -- thus the growing worldwide popularity of the genre. My first BL was Cherry Magic; I had left Japan, couldn't get back because of COVID, and I was just mesmerized -- I watched it over and over again. I still think it is iconic (note my weak attempt at humor above although I would guess that every BL director has watched it and been influenced one way or another). I have to admit that RL is only the second Chinese BL I've watched (the other is the short one set on an island -- can't remember the name) so I hesitate to generalize -- and I'm aware of course that Chinese producers face censorship and other obstacles that their Japanese, Thai, and Korean counterparts do not. So I hesitate to generalize -- but yes, what you said about implicit vs. explicit communication, family obligations, and self-sacrifice all ring true. At this point, of the thirty or so BLs I have watched, four fall into my top, "must-see-as -- these-will-change-your-life" category: Cherry Magic (Japanese original), ITSAY, Gelboys, and the criminally underrated Only Boo! I suspect that I'm going to be adding RL to that category. (I liked My Beautiful Man -- I wasn't happy with the translation of the title, Utsukushii Kare, which is literally Beautiful Him but with overtones untranslatable into English; Japanese gays refer to their lovers as "watakushi no Kareshi" which literally means "My Him." I wasn't that keen on Season 1, liked season 2 much more, and really enjoyed the movie despite the over-the-top plot devices.

⚡Moon&Sun🐟

Just want to point out that Ziyu had 3 cakes on his birthday here 1st cake - lychee cake, cost around $85, Tian bought on his own along with the bouquet of flowers 2nd cake - red cake, from the staff, cost around $25 3rd cake - blue 3 tier cake, from Ziyu's fans, cost around $35

phree

the leftie discussion was truly diabolical i have to say

S u n f l o w e r

La verdad creo que Chicheng si se confió mucho de Wu suo Wei para Al punto de no haberlo investigado jajaj

emmadilemma

I’m glad I’m watching this for the first time with you guys instead of alone because if I was alone I would feel like I’m going crazy. It’s important that you also see how ridiculous this show is lol. It’s still a fun show! Just in an outrageous way…

Carmen W

love watching your reactions to (mostly) ChiCheng's unhingedness lol. i just wanted to mention that the translations from GagaOoLala aren't as good as other plattforms (though i realise that you changed to viki here and their trans are better but also not as precise). Specially when it comes to what Chicheng says.... Because for example at 24:50 he says "Were you waiting for me? Looking so s*utty?" He just has a crass way of wording things and the translations just soften it up and make it TOO POLITE lol.