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Better Call Saul: S3, Episode 10 (Lantern) - Patreon Version (Patreon)

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2025-10-15 16:00:17
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Better Call Saul: S3, Episode 10 (Lantern) - Patreon Version

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N.T. Stars

This is one of the hardest episodes to watch in the whole Breaking Bad universe, imo. Jimmy burning the bridge on elder law, which suited him so well, and of course Chuck burning his house down after a total relapse. I never hated Chuck as much as most people who watch this show. I don’t think he was wrong about anything he said about Jimmy. He knows Jimmy better than any other character. His “You’ve never mattered all that much to me” is an obvious lie, as evidenced by his enormous relapse right after. He just had no weapons left to fight Jimmy. He had nothing. Like Walt said in BB, he was just puffing himself up like a blowfish, held up by nothing but air. He was doing this the whole series, actually. If you look at the flashbacks, Chuck is a prickly guy, but he was mostly able to keep it in check before his mental illness took over. He tried to stop Jimmy from being a lawyer because he saw Saul Goodman coming a mile away. He thought Jimmy could cause tons of damage with that much power, and he was right about that, too.

Helly R

Chuck is right, but he's also an asshole. It does makes sense why he feels the way he feels (we didn't get to experience the 30+ years of being around Jimmy - Chuck did), but if he was more supportive of Jimmy in the mailroom days, would he still have become Saul Goodman? Kim is right when she said to Chuck "You never believed in him and all he ever wanted was your love and support." Whether or not Saul is inevitable is one of the core questions the show is asking, and your feelings about it (and towards Chuck) might ebb and flow throughout. As always with BCS, it's complicated! And that what makes it so good.

ArcadeAndy

Every time I rewatch the first 3 seasons of this show I feel even more heartbroken for Chuck. Imagine your sibling goes through a divorce and then suddenly they believe they're allergic to electricity and won't leave their dark empty house for two years. Imagine if they were hospitalized twice during that time, both times being told by their doctor that they're a danger to themselves and should be committed. Would you get them help? Everyone around Chuck knew he needed help. No one tried to get it for him. And when he finally tried to get it for himself, no one was left to support him. Chuck sucked at maintaining relationships, like so many people with mental health issues do. He wasn't a likeable guy. But he wasn't a bad guy either. He just knew his brother too well.

ArcadeAndy

It's hard to imagine Chuck being more supportive of Jimmy in the mailroom days. He was the one who got him that job, set him up with a life in NM, after keeping him out of prison and off the sex offenders list, despite his conman past. What you're talking about is Chuck not supporting Jimmy as a lawyer, which is a very different thing. Kim, who has only seen a glimpse of Slippin' Jimmy at this point, refused to partner with him. She made the same call Chuck did. She just broke the news to him in a way a well adjusted person would, instead of what Chuck did. Jimmy was never going to walk the straight and narrow. He couldn't do it at Davis and Main when he knew that's all he needed to do to live the dream life with Kim, so it's not a stretch to say he wouldn't have been able to do it at HHM either.

N.T. Stars

This conflict is so well-written that I could probably talk about it for hours... To me, even Kim's "You never believed in him and all he ever wanted was your love and support" is open to debate. She's implying that support and love would have allowed him to walk a straight path and be a good person. Jimmy had the love and support of his father and stole from him regardless.

Joel

getting an error on the video

Ian A

Youtube is being weird. Happening to alot of people. I can't watch anything on the Youtube app.

Joel

yea it was for a bit. seems good now

Helly R

Jimmy was doing fairly well on the straight and narrow since the mailroom in 92 and when he passed the bar in 98 until the show started in ~2002. And during this time he was still supporting Chuck, and (correct me if I'm wrong) wasn't really engaging in Slippin' Jimmy behaviours. At the start of the show he was trying. He had a best friend/friends with benefits in Kim (who he had known for 10 years at this point) who also supported him. And all that time Chuck was resentful even when he was on the straight and narrow. I do think it's fair to criticize Chuck for sabotaging him at HMM when he was legitimately trying, which was born out Chuck resenting Jimmy for being likeable (despite what he did stealing from his father etc), and his high-mindedness about the law, among other things - Jimmy's slide with David and Main stuff happened after he learnt of this betrayal (it might have been OK if Chuck [and Howard, who was spineless] turned Jimmy down and was honest and not cruel, but as you say he did not do this in a healthy way). In my opinion I do think you could argue there was the possibility of change in this period if you look at where Jimmy was at the start of the show. Or at least, it was absolutely not helped by Chuck acting the way he did (then again, Jimmy is ultimately accountable for his own actions, and Chuck has his own mental illness and stresses to deal with). Again, though, there's so much nuance and depth in all this, tomorrow I could easily argue the opposite. This goes for the journeys of the others main characters as well and I think that's why this story really lingers for me. I don't think there's a simple answer.

Francesca Langer

me when Jimmy is laundering Walt's drug money and covering up Walt's murders: he doesn't mean it, he's just a silly little guy! 😭 me when Jimmy is messing with Irene: Chuck was right, lock him up! 😤 lol but seriously, I don't think Jimmy ever loses more audience sympathy than when he manipulates those poor old ladies; he goes on to commit much more serious crimes, as you already know, and yet this interpersonal betrayal is one of the only moments I (and many others) ever find him unlikable

Francesca Langer

Yeah, I don't think Chuck is fundamentally right about Jimmy. I mean, he is correct that Jimmy is a dangerous criminal and a menace to society. But I think Chuck is blinded by his own envy and resentment towards Jimmy, and is generally a terrible brother to him. No, of course Chuck doesn't owe Jimmy a job at his law firm; I think Chuck not wanting to hire Jimmy as a lawyer is perfectly understandable. But elaborately lying to him about it for years while using Howard to take the blame is unforgivable. I think it's true that Jimmy never belonged at a place like HHM or Davis & Main. But that doesn't mean he was inevitably going to become Saul Goodman. Or rather, he could have been a positive version of Saul Goodman, which is basically what Sandpiper Jimmy was in Season 1. I think the whole point of that story line is that it's like the path not taken; It's an illustration of how Jimmy could have used his powers for good. It's not that hard to imagine a version of Saul Goodman who still dresses like a Batman villain and has gonzo TV commercials and is generally flamboyant and rule-breaking, but is nonetheless basically a good guy; Because we see all the components of that in Jimmy, it just never comes together for various reasons, some which are his own fault— and some which are really not his fault.

Ian A

Uuuuugh Hector is the worst kind of person. So glad we know if his future. 🤣 Just an a-hole, not out of anger, spite or revenge. Just cuz he can.

MaplenutsReact

I'm glad it corrected itself! I'm so sorry I missed your comment. I try stay on top of things like this, but we suddenly got extra extra busy haha

Tyler

I hadn't really thought of this before, but that scene at H.H.M. where Chuck is being applauded as he's walking out the door also doubles as the entire cast & crew applauding Michael McKean as he leaves the show.

E L Δ T E

Lmao imagine simping for Chuck after all that he did.

E L Δ T E

No offense, but you guys are really not picking up on much. Not even the super obvious stuff.

ArcadeAndy

Imagine watching this show and thinking Saul is the good guy. lmao

Todd Bolton

I rewatched both the previous episode and this one before I’d watched your reaction, so I hadn’t yet seen some of the last episode where you called Jimmy’s action slimy and “Is he rigging bingo games?” (LOL) and how uncomfortable it made you, and me watching you. Y’all’s newfound sympathy for Chuck. Jimmy saying that no matter what he does, “the more they end up loving me, instead” – I literally laughed out loud, thinking of Chandra. No Mike on this episode. Looking forward to next season.