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The B.E.E. Podcast - 10/11/19 - Roger Avary - Part 1 - SILVER (Patreon)

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Roger Avary and Bret Easton Ellis discuss winning an Oscar for Pulp Fiction, forming the screenplay for True Romance, the profound aesthetic influence of exploitation films and the Generation X nihilism of Killing Zoe. Part 1 of 2. 

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jana

Thank you!

Nathan Stack

I've been waiting for this to happen for YEARS. So glad it's here.

Joseph Orlando

Man this interview was sick! Loved it! Hurry up with Part 2!

Bazayer

So happy Bret finally got Roger Avary to appear on the podcast !!

Mike Hogan

Wow that was fantastic, can't wait for part 2!

BUtterfield8

This was kind of sad. Bret's friend Charlie dying. Roger's friend Scott killing himself. And, let's face it, the French guy who had AIDS in 1987 most likely died too. Good stories though. At least I got the Little Darlings coverage that I was clamoring for a few weeks back.

Billy Vega

Seemed a bit false when the Tarantino topic came up. I mean, the fact he hasn't seen once upon a Time in Hollywood undercut everything else he said about not being bitter to me. There's still a pretty strong argument to be made that Tarantino needs someone else to rein his ideas in. It was interesting as hell to listen to this ep though. Wonder how the manslaughter and prison stuff will be discussed.

Andrew Lapointe

Great episode. Anyone else think that Bret needs to compile a film criticism book, especially since it sounds like he kept lists? Some poignant stories from Roger. I just got back from seeing his new film "Lucky Day" and I thought it was very fun, like a surrealist R rated Looney Tunes, and I agree with him that some of the best film criticism on the web is on Letterboxd as opposed to the mainstream press.

Oleg

watched little darlings after listening to the monologue. what a good movie.

Alexander Quattlander

These two could just rap bout film all day and I'd listen to it all. Can't wait to see new movie. Rules of Attraction so under rated. Killing Zoe a masterpiece.

Rory Kiberd
>>27801552

Good points William. I think you're right in a sense, but I don't think it was false. Think he was honest about his relationship with QT being complex - admitted they haven't talked in years; that he was sidelined during the pulp fiction awards circuit days etc. I tend to believe him when he says he loves him, though. And he talks about memories with him fondly and with no malice.

Senseless

Wow. That was probably my favourite episode of the entire run of the podcast.

BUtterfield8
>>27806202

I saw it too not so long ago, and it was pretty good. I think that they showed it on TCM in the middle of the night. Of course as a pre-teen girl in 1980, it was earth shattering!! I hope you got to watch a version with the original, fantastic soundtrack. It is one of those movies that had major licensing issues for the music, and it wasn't readily available for rental with the original music. Isn't there even a Beatles song? I wonder how they got permission for that.

Jon A.

I wish Roger had clarified a little how the creative labor was divided on Pulp. Perhaps it was a similar process to what he talked about applying to True Romance, but went uncredited for. After hearing Part 1, you know I threw in my blu of RoA. Greatly looking forward to hearing Part 2, and seeing Lucky Day. I hope at some point the topic of adapting Beowulf for Zemeckis comes up. That was one of the few fantasy movies I’ve seen that were actually cool.

Kovitch

Excellent episode. Hoping ‘Glitterati’ gets discussed in Pt2, especially given Roger’s suggestion here he doesn’t get titillated by filming sex.

Oleg
>>27806202

I watched a theatrical cut. Soundtrack is really good (Blondie!). Television version is as I heard butchered beyond recognition but I want to give it a try.

Billy Vega
>>27830988

Me too. My understanding is that the golden watch story is all Roger's. And the other ones are Tarantino.

Benjamin de Leeuw

What a great guest and great listen. Side note: for me personally this week’s monologue was an extremely enjoyable one, in the way it covered one of my favorite films, John Carpenter’s Halloween. Thanks for that, i stopped the car to sit back and undergo Bret’s retelling of that opening scene. Obsessed with that film, last October me and two musician friends performed a live score to it in a Rotterdam (Netherlands) movie theatre as part of a Halloween double bill. Halloween 78 followed by the 2018 sequel, which was actually not bad at all!

Eric Macom

I saw Lucky Day last night on VOD.....I would’ve loved it in 1994.

Billy Vega
>>27855244

Could you elaborate ? I think rules of attraction is a masterpiece. Sad to hear this is just a regression.

Billy Schafer
>>27850140

Agreed! I love Bret's reminiscence on his first viewing of Halloween when he covered 1978 in movies. He should have followed that with his old John Carpenter podcast instead of the Fred Armisen/Carrie Browstein rerun.

Alex Waller

I personally like it a lot more when Bret recaps current movies, there's still plenty to talk about regardless if the next Apocalypse Now is coming out or not, especially this time of the year. This wallowing in nostalgia is getting annoying.

Eric Macom
>>27855244

Yeah, remember when there was a huge influx of heist/crime movies post-Pulp Fiction? Some decent, most garbage? Well, this reminded me of one of those. Not great, not bad, just mediocre. I still feel Killing Zoe holds up and ROA of course, this just felt like a first draft of a spec script. Too bad, cuz I do root for Avary and have no doubt he’s got more gas in the tank.

T

Wow, monologue was crazy good, funny and 100% honest. Better than most books these days.

Dean Lowenstein

You don't hear about Roger Avery much so I'm really looking forward to hearing this one. Good get, Bret.

Alex Bielovich

Bret wanting to get back to writing books is music to my ears

M. Nero Nava

After cancelling subscription due to excessive Trump talk—I came back just for the monologue (and interview). Excellent podcast, loved the retro reviews. Please more of that!

JD

THE APPLE IS PURE LIGHT AND ENERGY

Antonio Primavera

I've gone through similar things as Roger Avary has. I've been in jail. What he says is relevant. The absurdity of it all...is absurd.