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S7E17: The New Economy with Kristoffer Borgli (Patreon)

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2023-06-13 03:31:54
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Filmmaker Kristoffer Borgli and Bret Easton Ellis discuss transplanting body horror to a brighter world in Sick of Myself, being terrified by Ridley Scott as a young child and thrilled by Lars Von Trier as a young adult. Part 1 of 2.

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Patrick

👏👏👏

Thomas Edwards

RIP Cormac McCarthy. A BEE take on his life and work would be very much appreciated.

richard owain roberts

am going to listen on my run. will say more later, after my run.

Jason Allison

Seconding Thomas Edwards’s suggestion on BEE offering his thoughts on Cormac McCarthy.

Normaling

Top 5 films of 2023. Kris is a genius

N.M. Janice.

Good episode. Good guest. As a long time cinephile and believer in movies, I always get bummed out whenever the conversation about the death of cinema and peoples waining interest in movies is brought up. While it is hard to disagree with the points Bret makes, I would argue that it has more to do with the overall decline of American culture in general and less to do with the specific art form of cinema. The same things being said about cinema I could also say about music or literature. Everything just feels homogenized, corporate and stale. Where are the big idiosyncratic rock n roll bands of our time? Do most people even care about albums anymore? I do share Brets disdain for most of contemporary cinema, but I also am fortunate to live in Austin where we have several art house and repertoire theaters where I am a frequent patron, and I will say that watching great films in the dark with strangers on a big canvas still remains thrilling, and can’t be replicated by TV for me. Maybe I’m naive, or maybe it’s wishful thinking, but I hold out hope for the future of cinema. It just really feels like we are in a strange time where our cultures interest in the arts in general is at an all time low.

Alex Waller

I'm not ready to count out movies. I'm there all the time and so are a bunch of other people having fun. Whether or not it's the greatest era things shift and trends change. Plus a lot of these films that show up on streaming/in a few theaters for a week are actually pretty good. There's still plenty of passion for filmmaking out there and there's still a crowd who will go to the theaters. It's certainly not impossible those things will merge again and get more original more adult stuff that is successful. Plus it's important to remember a lot of the most beloved and quotable films didn't make much money in the theaters. Goodfellas only made 47 mil worldwide!

Neil G.
>>110771499

Ah yes, Austin...the epitome of where anti and pseudo intellectualism meet up...reflected beautifully in your idiotic comments 😂😂...movies are not dead; that makes no sense...the only thing that is, right now, is theater going but that will change...the big canvas movies clearly are the ones that people are interested in seeing, but the other ones, they see in their homes; that is the natural order of things. Apart from the very minimal theater attendance (since, ya know, the average moviegoer buys like 5 tickets a year) there is NO problem (and that's a fact). You can't have better movies in the first century of film; that makes no logical sense. Some amateur, black and white, European film is not higher art simply because it is black and white and not in "Hollywood"...they (the pseudo intellectual ass-wipes who write about film) were making the same comments "back then", now all of a sudden, they're like "remember how great it was back then" 😂😂😂...none of these ideas are rooted in rationality and formalism, and therefore, they are simply incorrect. But those idiots in Austin are too stupid not to give into them 😂😂

N.M. Janice.
>>110771499

I will refrain from making judgments and name calling on a podcast forum. I’m not just talking about “European black and white art house movies.” There has been a steady decline in a certain kind of movie, primarily the mid budget director driven movie for adults. This has been talked about by almost everyone over the last few years who is a film fan. The current state of movies that you describe is exactly what many people including people like Bret and QT are talking about. It seems to be either big budget franchise stuff or micro-budget films that people stream. That certain type of movie that was popular from the 70’s all the way up until about the early 2010’s that married art and personal vision with spectacle and demanded to be seen on the big screen has been going away. I don’t agree that you can’t have better films in the first half of the century. Like with any other art form there are always decades and time periods that people argue are better than others. A lot of people think we are currently in a bad time period for movies. I’m hoping that will change. That’s all.

Jorge Espinha

Great episode. Probably the best on 2023. Great conversation. Dogville: It's one of my favorite movies. James Caan monologue at the end of the movie should be shown every day in every school of the western world at tye beginning of the day. It encapsulates the notion of "soft bigotry of low expectations ". More guests like him, please!!!

Jorge Espinha
>>110771499

I get what you are saying. Even here there are people that need to resort to insult to make their idiotic arguments. What can we do?

Chris De Burgha

First sensible normal guest I've heard on a pod ina long time lol

Knokkel knokkel

BEE and the guest touch on this briefly but the guest never elaborated. People from Euro deem America to the a cultural Mecca , academic elite, avant-garde , a pioneer nation, peace fighter and world leader. It’s every Euro dream to come here to live. Enjoy our freedom. America is so clean you can eat off the streets compared to Euro as the nation is factory populated and dangerous. I enjoyed the episode but hopefully we have more American guests going forward 🇺🇸

Thomas Edwards

Refreshing for someone to politely decline publicly excoriating and romanticising their 'personal' trauma, in favour of an expansive intelligent conversation. A really good guest. Thank you.

Ashley

I feel like Bret carried the bulk of the conversation on this one.

Rudy

I love Under The Silver Lake. Great LA movie

David Willis

Excellent episode. Very nice to get an episode completely on film with a smart director with very good taste. Looking forward to seeing his debut.

Phoenix

Enjoyed this episode more than I thought I would. I hope there’s a part 2 and now I’m dying to see Sick of Me. The victim narcissist epidemic seems to be everywhere these days.

Seneca Garcia

There is a piano song in the middle of Sick of Myself that is a conscious nod to another movie it was originally in, but I cannot for the life of me cannot connect the dots and it escapes me. Anyone know this movie reference ?

Stephen

If someone could do a letterbox of all the movies mentioned that'd be great

Dan Zilic
>>110934627

I fully agree. This was my favourite episode of this season and I am going to watch the movie now. Nice surprise!

Alex Bielovich

Hilarious nightmare of a movie - it's fantastic.

Harold B
>>110771499

I think it’s more appropriate to say the money has been taken out of great cinema. It all goes to dumb superhero and car movies. There’s still brilliant independent cinema but with Bret’s love of grandiosity it’s just so unlikely we will ever have quality movies made on a grand scale again except for Tarantino and a few others but even their draw is waning in the mainstream conversation

Harold B
>>110830253

It’s not dead it’s just niche which to some are more or less the same thing

Harold B
>>110881308

God bless you for this comment. It’s so cliche and lazy to dump on America but the volume of people wanting to move here versus literally any given European country tells a different story. :)

Harold B

Was about to skip when I realized he’s a Euro Marxist pussy. But fortunately the conversation quickly went from politics to film and stayed there and I started liking the guy.

Alex Waller
>>110830253

Not sure I agree, tons of people go to the movies, yeah it's mostly for the IP blockbuster stuff but as long as people are going there's a decent chance it will swing back. It was only four years ago prestige stuff was still profitable.

David Morgan-Brown

anyone know where I can find this Tarantino interview of him bitching about modern movies?

Tom
>>110934313

Yeah I had always thought Bret would love that movie. Very thematically in tune with his work. The sort of paranoia experienced in The Shards and Less Than Zero bears a resemblance to what David Robert Mitchell was trying to achieve in Under the Silver Lake. Also love the atmosphere of ‘old, esoteric Los Angeles’ that is constantly permeated in the styles of both of their works.

Tom
>>110934313

Bret and Sam are both questionable narrators in The Shards and in Under the Silver Lake, both you can’t help but feel they’ve uncovered a deeper horror in esoteric Hollywood.

Thomas Matich

Definitely recommend “Bones and All”

hollywoodending

Great episode, looking forward to seeing Sick of Myself at the Lumiere Music Hall this week

Tomás Diana

Great episode, I wish I could find that interview with QT talking about the end of cinema.