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Season 2, Ep 16 (Patreon)

Published:
2021-09-14 14:04:49
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2023-07-01 15:40:20
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just happy because ✨witches✨ made a reappearance! 

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Buffy Season 2, Ep 16 - Bewitched, Bothered & Bewildered

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RNR

I mean, tbf there's "don't break up with someone on VDay" but at the same time is it right for Cordy to SPEND VDay with someone she knows she's going to break up with? I don't think it's right for either of them, for Cordy to have to pretend everything's fine or for Xander to be kept in the dark about how she's feeling.

Melissa

Just happy it's Tuesday because god do I need this today. I hate my job, that is all. But so happy that you've made my day, Darcie!

Jessica Roth

Yesss! I was slightly concerned because you didn't comment our comments on the last ep, but I fought through it. (There's a joke I desperately want to quote right now, but it's from NEXT episode, so no luck. Discipline, it's a bear…) Excited for this ep; it's one of my faves and one of my friends' ABSOLUTE favorite. (Or "favourite" as they are a Weird British Person, lol.)

Tim Pierce

You might have noticed there is a lack of Buffy during this episode, that's because SMG was filming Saturday Night Live around this time, so the rat was a way of giving her time off. I'm in the minority but to me this is my FAVORITE episode of season 2. I can never keep a dry eye watching Cordy finally be her own person. This show is so much about details. For example, Cander ending up back in Buffy's basement, where it all started. I know Rupert says that Cordy's necklace is what kept her from the effects of the spell, but I like to think that she was already in love with Xander, and that's why it didn't affect her. It worked on Willow because she's moved on from Xander with Oz.

Flora Smith

Darcie after the Buffy and Willow reveals: no, this is so off putting! Me: *patiently waits for the Jenny, Joyce and Dru ones*

indaeo

Oz's band, Dingoes Ate My Baby, was a popular reference back then to the real-life case of an Australian woman whose baby was taken/eaten/killed by a dingo. But she was accused of murdering her baby because people didn't believe her. Not a funny story, but the phrase was especially popularized after Meryl Streep made a movie about it. You can read about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingo_ate_my_baby Random question, Darcie, about the episode titles - do you keep yourself from reading them until after the episode airs to stay unspoiled? Or, if you do read them beforehand, do you find yourself speculating about them? I was just curious how you handle the episode titles every week. Great reaction as usual, and good luck when the baby comes!

Melissa

This episode was definitely a long time favorite of mine, but after later seeing POTN's review of it (you can't watch as there are spoilers), he pointed out that Xander didn't do this out of love, he did it out of revenge. So that colors it for me. My younger self didn't care lol. It's a great episode though, with some truly OMG moments and some funny stuff too. Poor Rupe, he was really going through it this episode.

Jessica Roth

Ha! Patreon ate my post again, but I was too smart for them…I copied the text! Up yours, Patreon! (I think the problem is that I confuse it by using the "Edit" button) So, here we go… It's also a heartbreaking episode because Xander thinks he's FINALLY getting his dream, that Buffy is finally going to "wake up and see him"…and then he realizes it's just a stupid spell, that he was an idiot for thinking she could ever love him like he loves her. The look on Nick's face when Xander realizes this just gets me every time. Which isn't to say that he doesn't have feelings for Cordelia, as much as he tries to fight them. Not only does he talk about seeing "something special' in her just before she dumps him, but he says that enspelling Cordy and then dumping her will make her experience "the same Hell I'm currently going through." So Cordy DID break his heart, since I doubt "Hell" is just about Harmony being mean to him. (And not very creatively, as you note. Harmony is SO mediocre. Not only is she excited to be Cody Weinberg's third choice for the dance [nice of Cody to nail down that back-up before he asks the girls he actually wants, I guess], but then she starts ranting about Jennifer's backpack. Seriously, Harm? A backpack?) I love the work Robia does as Jenny falls under Xander's spell. Whereas SMG had to make Buffy look credible (since we didn't know what was going on yet), with Cal we get to watch her become more and more deranged by the second. Hilarious stuff. (OTOH, it was so sad in the corridor before. Giles is taking her back to "Ms. Calendar" status and making excuses, Willow looks heartbroken, Buffy gets away from her ASAP, and Xander won't even look at her and then practically hip-checks her as she leaves. Ouch.) Interesting teaser: Xander might have feelings for Cordelia, but he quietly tells Buffy he still wants her. Buffy basically is still telling Xander to wake up and smell the Willow ("somebody more…better"), which seems a little odd after last ep, but she is in tune with Willow's feelings, as she notes at episode's end. In the post on last episode that Patreon ate (but which you should still have in your notifications), I wondered if the final Buffy/Xander scene there was a reshoot. since Nick has the shorter haircut we see him in here. Perhaps it was a late insert and that's why Buffy's telling Xander to give Willow/Oz a chance there, but perhaps still plugging for Willow/Xander here? Or Marti Noxon just didn't read last episode's script, I guess. But Marti has always given Joss Whedon half-credit for this one, since they had to rewrite quickly over Thanksgiving break, once SMG's SNL gig was confirmed and they knew *this* would be the limited-Buffy episode. So Joss should have caught the inconsistency, IMO. Still, it's not too odd for Xander [and Buffy] to have conflicting feelings about various relationships. As Willow says, "friendships change all the time." I shouldn't stress. Besides, Xander does offer a solution: he once more talks about Buffy possibly dating Cordelia, as he did in "Reptile Boy". Maybe if Buffy takes Cordy off of his hands, THEN he'll finally date Willow? (And he did call Willow "sexy", so maybe Buffy still has reason to hope?) I think Buffy should go for it. (At least until Kendra gets back in town.) As Xander said back then, "Cordelia's much better for you than Angel", lol.

Allan

The beginning of when Buffy's hair starts to get so good! lol one of the things I mostly remember about this episode...

Jessica Roth

Yes. Angel IS wearing eye-liner. But so is Spike, just not as much. Is this another case of Angel being mean…he takes all of Drusilla's attentions AND he's hogging the eyeliner? That bastard… DO the boys want Xander, too? I think they're all supposed to be angry at him…but this being Hollywood, there are bound to be a certain percentage of male extras whose acting isn't skilled enough to cover for their normal reactions to a hot guy, I suppose. Oz gets a lot of props for punching Xander, but I don't know. Yes, it's dramatically surprising and yes, standing up for Willow is great…but he admits he doesn't know what's going on, because Willow was basically incoherent. What if she wasn't actually accusing Xander? "Even Xander…I mean he tried to be nice…but he just doesn't understand…how can he be this way? It hurts so much!" or something like that. It feels as though Oz is jumping the gun, here. Plus, it's a sucker-punch. Bad form, Oz. Confront Xander, yes. Demand an explanation, yes. Be ready to back it up with fists if need be…okay. But hit a guy when he's down and wasn't even looking? Points off, sorry. (OTOH, Oz's "Oh" in reaction to the "Buffy's a rat" news was perfect. I always thought Seth Green over-sold the "actually, it explains a lot" when Oz finds out about the vampires in "Surprise", but this is right where it should be. And I have to love his reaction to Naked!Buffy once the spell ends. It would be easy [and IMO cheaply one-dimensional] for Oz to be SO IN LOVE with Willow that he doesn't even react to Buffy…but how realistic is that? You get a chance to see Naked Buffy, you look. [Oz doesn't even cover his eyes, although he does aim the flashlight elsewhere.] I love he's so flustered he doesn't even think about giving Buffy one of his shirts, like she gets the button-up and he keeps the tee. LOL.) Dan-watch: he's in the hallway walking behind Xander when X is dealing with getting dumped the day after. Why do we get the shoe-cam in that Buffy/Giles scene in act I? I think it's because this is James A. Contner's first time directing on the series and he wanted to show Joss he could be creative. Results were mixed; Contner gets more directing gigs but AFAIK, we never see shoe-cam again. I guess Joss was unimpressed with the foot-age? (Sorry!) Do we want more Amy? (The network didn't; reportedly, they didn't think Elizabeth Anne Allen could act and fought against Joss bringing her back.) I'm mixed; I like the character, and spells can be useful. But this is supposed to be BUFFY's show, not 'the Avengers". I don't want to diminish that "one girl in all the world" deal by surrounding her with vampires and witches and werewolves and such. Besides, eventually you run out of powers, whereas courage/humor/research/support (which the gang currently provides) are easier to distribute. I mean, what's Xander's gig going to be…Sweater Man? (Yes, yes, he still has that military knowledge. But you can only steal weapons from the Army so many times before they catch on. Even if the "Secured Area" door on the base in episode 14 *wasn't even locked* .) (Another reactor pointed that out. I totally missed it. Huh.)

Svetlana Grabar

One of my favorite speeches/lines by Cordelia was the sheep one. The more I think about it, the more I love it. It shows a ton character development for her, breaking out of the mean girls circle and gaining her own confidence. The line also makes me reflect on my own life and decisions. Avoiding something because you're worried that others will find it weird/dumb- usually that's associated with high school insecurities but I still experience those thoughts in my mid-late 20s. I'll think "I really like this polka dot dress but what if it looks weird? Idk maybe it's too much to wear to a coffee shop?" which sounds silly when writing it out but I bet most people have thoughts like that. The idea of "don't do things to fit in" isn't new but I liked how Cordelia put it, "Why in the world am I scrambling for your approval?" I love it when the show has these lines that make me think or give me inspiration :) Agreed that Xander not accepting Buffy's invitation was the bare minimum. But it was still nice to see and I'm thinking maybe it helped him reflect a bit on his feelings for her.

Jordan Haddow

While, as episodes go, this one isn't really that great, I actually really like it for a tonne of reasons. The first of which is, for me this episode is all about Cordy. That moment where she pulls that locket out from under her collar is the exact moment that her character forever switches from the outside the circle mean girl to someone we all can no longer help but care for. It says, yes she's human and has a secret side full of complexity that we've so far missed. I really love Cordelia because she has grown so much and has so much potential to grow more. Beyond that, this episode is great in so many other ways. First, it shows just how much we shouldn't underestimate the "monster of the week" episodes. A lot of people like to dump on these non-main story arc episodes as being lousy, but they can have far reaching ramifications. I do love to go on about Lie to Me and Ted, but many others contribute too. Here we have Amy and her witchcraft storyline, born in the early days of season one, continuing here. It also contributed to that little joke scene with Oz previously. Now, Amy has been upgraded to a full blown witch who is powerful enough to turn someone into a rat. Potential for the future? Plus, there is the love spell. Many shows that involve witchcraft do a little take on the love spell. Here, we see the Buffyverse stance on it. It's deadly and disastrous. In fact, I would claim that they've made it one of the worst spells you could cast. Imagine if Amy hadn't turned Buffy into a rat. It was easy to be distracted during that scene. At first, we wondered if Amy had wiped out Buffy entirely, then we were relieved and probably even found it a bit funny to see her as a rat. In reality, Amy saved a lot of lives and Buffy a lot of grief. Every other female there grabbed a weapon and became murderously violent. Buffy would have just started killing everyone, including Xander, with her bear hands. I won't go much into Xander, other than I think the writers and producers of the show have kind of failed him, not just here, but throughout the show. Let's face it, Xander is the least liked character. Here he casts probably one of the worst spells one can cast out fo spite. Why not dislike him, right? Well, the show gives reasons to empathize with him, but I think they've consistently done a terrible job at doing it. First, he's one of the those funny guys that's always joking. Many times, these are the type of people who are covering up pain with humor. Still, that doesn't just come across. Also, they tend to use quick little quips to give glimpses into that world Xander is covering up with that humor, but it's definitely not enough to get the point across enough for fans to build empathy for him. In just this episode, he makes at least two self deprecating remarks. One was how valentines day usually means a restraining order. Another is about how he managed to get such a good grade as a D-. Both of these cover his immensely low self esteem and self confidence. The first one though comes across as creepy. The second one comes across as he's just lazy. In reality though, I think the show was intending for them to show a glimpse of how his home life is terrible. Xander is always out with his friends and doing stuff, despite getting F's for grades? It implies his family just doesn't care about him. Talk about a long walk the fans have to take to get there though. If you go back through episodes and listen for them, you will find those little quips all over the place that add up to a picture of Xander's home life as being fairly dismal. Still, how is anyone supposed to empathize with him from so little. Buffy in the season premiere was a total jerk to everyone and did some nasty things. The show though, took the time to really look into the situation and show that she had PTSD from dying. It even had her take a step towards healing herself when she crushed the Master's bones. It also showed her friends acknowledging her struggle and supporting her. When has Xander had any of that? I can understand why fans don't like him and don't blame them, but I do kind of blame the show or it. Well, I can't tell at the moment, in the tiny little text window Patreon gives for comments, but this feels like it's super long, so I am going to stop here and just say I'm looking forward to your next reaction.

ghostofdurruti

Yeah Xander shouldn't get too much credit for doing the bare minimum 😅 He should absolutely not have cast a spell like this in the first place. We did get a really funny episode out of it, though! And it's a great episode for Cordy's ongoing character development. Well. Hopefully Xander has learned his lesson about messing around with the black arts for petty personal reasons!

John

This is such a fun episode! I also love how even Drusilla is affected in this one 😂😂 Also quick question but how do I access the discord? I joined it recently and have NO idea how to use it 😅

Sika6061

To answer your question, rats can and do eat anything - including cheese. And just to prove the point, please go to YouTube and search for "pizza rat." You're welcome. I'm impressed with Alberta's pest control program, and for anyone else who's interested: https://www.alberta.ca/history-of-rat-control-in-alberta.aspx. I've had to take care of some rat infestations in my day and felt really guilty about it. Rats are a pretty amazing animal. They're very smart, friendly and even show empathy between kin groups. My nieces keep a couple as pets. They're cool, but it's good that Alberta was able to stop an invasive non-native species like that.

Erica Schaefer

This is the first time I truly noticed and appreciated the use of violins in this episode to build the tension. This episode is slightly problematic if you think about it too hard, but overall it's just a fun little romp that's super enjoyable to watch for what it is.

David Meadows

It's a (good-natured) joke among Star Trek fans that the main difference between Captain Kirk and his evil twin is that Evil Kirk wears dark eyeliner. I don't know how widespread that knowledge is outside Trek fandom, but there's a good chance that the people working on Buffy knew it. So it makes perfect sense for Evil Angel. (To be honest, I had never noticed his eyeliner before you mentioned it.)

Sarah

If you think about it Amy turning Buffy into a rat protected her from whatever Angel was planning. I feel like all of the Xander episodes are just weird fever dreams 😂 Cordy is probably the only person that would swoon over someone wanting to put a love spell on her. Idk what that says about her tbh. It was great seeing more use of magic though.

R J Walker (FumblesMcStupid)

I have such mixed feeling over this one, on the one hand NO XANDER, jeez, you can't do that to Cordelia, but also, ffs Cordy, don't dump Xander on Valentine's Day because of your friends. There's so much good and bad about Xander all the way through (bare minimum, Xander, bare minimum). Mostly though, I do think this is a VERY funny episode with a bit main arc advancement. Favourite line - 'We have to catch the Buffy rat.' Cracks me up every time! The two scenes with Rupe and Cal jkhgfhjkhgfhjk, the first is just heart breaking but the second is amazing, the shooting script actually says that Cal is 'valiantly fighting' (owtte) the spell as she's trying to get out what she needs to say to Rupe. DAMMIT Xander!! ;) AND Rupe was pretty calm about Xander confessing UNTIL he saw it was affecting Cal and then he got REAL angry. And THEN, when it's affected Buffy and put her in danger, the gloves are off!! Xander, don't mess with Rupe's favourite gals lol I do love that Cordy was wearing the necklace (awwww) and I'm glad they're back together. They DO fit! And I like getting Amy back. It makes the universe seem more real that characters from earlier episodes are still around. And I SERIOUSLY love Spike, Dru, and Angel!!!!! What a gift!!