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Season 2, Ep 17 (Patreon)

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2021-09-22 14:30:41
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hi i hate this episode 🙃

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Buffy Season 2, Ep 17 - Passion

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Claire Eyles

Pre-emptive hugs before I watch the reaction <3

Jordan Haddow

Haven't watched the reaction yet, but I so get it.

Claire Eyles

I believe this is the first episode where Willow's Jewish heritage is fully acknowledged. Prior to that it was kind of on an 'assumption' basis, with her last name being Rosenberg, but this is the episode that more or less confirms it.

Claire Eyles

The passion monologue, and references to passion throughout the episode can be read in a variety of ways. This is the full text of what Angelus says in his narration, "Passion. It lies in all of us. Sleeping...waiting... And though unwanted...unbidden... it will stir...open its jaws, and howl. It speaks to us... guides us... Passion rules us all. And we obey. What other choice do we have? Passion is the source of our finest moments. The joy of love... the clarity of hatred... and the ecstasy of grief. It hurts sometimes more than we can bear. If we could live without passion, maybe we'd know some kind of peace. But we would be hollow. Empty rooms, shuttered and dank...Without passion, we'd be truly dead." The concept of duality in things (light and dark, love and loss, pleasure and pain, etc) goes back a long way. It's the idea that without equal but opposing forces we can't really feel the full range or weight of anything - eg without having experienced the pain of loss, we can't really fully appreciate the joy of love, or without knowing what darkness is, we can't celebrate the light, and so on. Angelus is a sociopathic hedonist, so he takes this dualistic concept into dark & twisted territory.

Christine

Ah, yes….more delicious reactor tears. 😥😥😥

Melissa

Love the superimposed tears on everyone's faces already. I hate you had to go through this, Darcie but can't wait to watch it! It's sad as hell, but such a well done episode. EDIT: Okay, now that I've watched the reaction. I cried right there along with you if it makes you feel any better. The growth and development of Rupe forgiving Cal was set up so perfectly that it just drives it home that much harder. But it's impossible for me not to cry when Aly's crying in this show. It just is. As well as when Buffy hugs Giles and says she can't do this without him. I loved the narration here, because it adds to the poetry of the episode along with the opera. And aren't operas supposed to be tragic? I wouldn't know, I've never been. Bonus points go to Cordelia this episode, for bringing the levity with her car lol. You can almost always count on her for some inappropriate hilarity. But I so loved her immediately shifting to serious/sympathetic mode when Buffy asked her for a ride. Well done, Cordy. I'm sure more intelligent members here will have better insights. I can only talk about how I feel when I watch these episodes. I love you seeing them for the first time. You are without a doubt my favorite reactor of any channel. There's a reason you are my only Patreon! EDIT 2: I forgot to just mention that I have watched a lot of soap opera in my time. Still do watch a little. But I never watched or got into Passions. I hear it was quite a ride.

L R

This is where the show becomes legendary . The good thing is there is so much more quality stuff to come . Enjoy the rest of the ride .

indaeo

So sorry, Darcie. I knew this one would be hard for you once you started saying how much you liked Jenny. There are certain episodes that represent big dramatic shifts in the course of the series. This is a particular watershed moment for the show, letting us know that as fun as it can be, it can just as easily devastate you, not unlike real life. Now you have a better understanding of what it's like to be a Buffy fan. I do hope that someday when the big emotion is removed a bit, you can remember this as the amazing hour of television that it is. Time to buckle in for the rest of season 2!

Vicky N

There was nothing wrong with Joyce reaction based on the information that she had.

Allan

WOW....Not that I didn't think you would but so happy you teared up to Ms. Calender dying. Your tears definitely means you're attached now to the show...

Svetlana Grabar

I love this episode. Angel's cruelty and sadism is so clear here, like you said. Angel just snapped Calendar's neck, instead of drinking her blood, showing the difference between him and other vampires. I think they had to have him kill someone we know for the audience to understand the weight of this. And watching Buffy and willow find out the news and Angel enjoying it... kills me every time. His setting up Giles' discovery of Calendar, the opera music, .. idk this episode was just so well done. Mixed feelings about Xander saying "I told you so". I always took his dislike of Angel as jealousy and often it was. As much as I hate to admit it, he's right in a way, Angel is a vampire at the end of the day and has killed countless people in his life. Everybody has a different reaction to Joyce, I find it so interesting :) I definitely thought Joyce went over the top with "you were irresponsible" but I really appreciated her saying "You can shut me out of your life but don't expect me to ever stop loving you." I think what I like about Joyce/Buffy is how realistic their relationship is. No mother or child is perfect. I see it as a single mom trying to deal with a troublesome child- Buffy sneaking out, dating college boys, burning down gyms, getting bad grades, etc. Especially since Buffy didn't tell her about the reasoning behind it so Joyce has no context. But Joyce is nowhere near perfect with her responses and I love that they made this relationship so complex. I enjoyed seeing your reaction to this scene :) Sorry for the long comment lol, I just always have so many thoughts :P I'm also curious about more of your thoughts about Joyce and Xander's reactions :)

Miranda

I'm sorry you had to go through that. Just know that we are going through it with you. I've easily watched this episode at least 20 times and I'm still here crying along side you. But it is an amazing episode and as others have said, it's major moment for the show. I love that this show has such depth as you invest in the highs and lows of the characters experiences. I agree with you, Darcie, that Joyce did not handle that scene well. Her underage daughter had sex with an older man who is now stalking her. Based only on that information her response would more appropriately be fear for her daughter's safety and compassion that her daughter is going through that experience. Rather than blame. Although I love this particular part of the Buffy/ Angel arc, I think an unfortunate aspect of it is that the show doesn't manage to be sex positive in general, while exploring a complex, painful, and tragic relationship (based on what we've seen up to this point). However, that is something the show could have done in other moments without necessarily making Joyce's reaction different. I like Joyce's reaction because it is flawed, all the characters in this show do have flaws, we see some of them more than others at this point in time. I think that's something that make the show wonderful- the characters are complex. Just like a best friend you root for them whether you always agree with their choices and actions. Sometimes you think they fucked up, sometimes you can forgive them and move on, sometimes you can't. So I agree that Joyce's reaction is not ideal, not how I would like to see a parent react, but I like that they chose to have her react as she did. I hope that distinction makes sense. Also, YES, Passions was a wonderfully weird and completely off the rails show. Shoutout to Timmy and Tabitha.

Chas Summers

You had been missing Cal. This is a "be careful what you wish for" show. Beware...

ghostofdurruti

“Watch Buffy,” they said. “It’ll be fun,” they said. So this, IMO, is the second truly great episode of the show (following “Innocence”). Even though it’s not exactly fun to watch, it’s a really well-constructed hour of television. Starting with the opening scene at the Bronze, a palpable feeling of unease and even dread pervades it. There’s this sense that something is *wrong* that builds over the course of the episode, but you’re not sure exactly what… until, in a single moment, everything changes. Jenny is the first major character to die—sorry, Jesse and Principal Bob, you weren’t prominent enough to count—and she does so at the hands of someone who, just a few episodes ago, was an ally. Up to now, there was some hope that if our heroes could just get Angel his soul back, everything could go back to how it was before. Now, it’s hard to imagine the group ever being able to forgive him. After all, even though it wasn’t “really” him that did this, the demon was always a part of him—his soul had just buried it deep down. We’ve heard many times how monstrous Angelus was, but as you pointed out, it’s one thing to be told “for a hundred years I offered an ugly death to everyone I met, and I did it with a song in my heart,” and another thing entirely to actually see it. He’s not just a killer, he’s a sadist—he has to take the time to rub it in, to use his victims’ deaths to torment the people that cared for them. Ironically, this is also his weakness. As Spike keeps trying to tell him, far from throwing Buffy off her game, all he’s done by messing around and taunting her is strengthen her resolve. (I love James’ delivery of the line “But his little pranks will only leave us with one incredibly brassed-off Slayer!”) At the end of “Innocence”, she wasn’t ready to kill him. But by the end of this episode, she is. As she says: “Angel is gone. Nothing’s ever gonna bring him back.” Some song trivia: The song that plays over the closing scene at Jenny’s grave (and in a purely instrumental form in a few scenes between Giles and Jenny earlier in the episode) is called “Remembering Jenny”, and its vocals were done by Anthony Stewart Head (who, of course, plays Giles). 😭 The song that plays at the Bronze during the opening scene is called “Never an Easy Way” by Morcheeba. I like it a lot! I actually like a lot of the music that gets featured at the Bronze over the course of the series. If you got an earlier notification for a comment that looked a lot like this, it’s because Patreon ate my first comment and I had to reconstruct it. Stupid Patreon.

Tim Pierce

First of all, *hugs Darcie*, second remember when season one was so campy and you never thought it would get deep or even elicit real emotions? Finally, kudos to you when you predicted someone would die. Stuff like this didn't happen in tv shows back in the 90s, not like it does today.

Sarah

Re: Angel being able to get into Giles’ apartment. When Giles went to Buffy’s house to get the book he mentioned needing to use the spell on his place. The series never showed Angel in the apartment but many speculated that Giles would have invited Angel in around the season 1 finale to as they were working on the Codex together. I just want to add at the end when we see Cordy’s car, there’s a bunch of garlic hanging on the windows. I love garlic. But California is hot and those garlics are gonna cook in that car. I can’t imagine driving around in a garlic scented car. I can’t imagine Cordy driving around in a garlic scented car. Also since Angel is presumably unable to enter Cordy’s car, could the Scooby gang just hop in and run Angel over a whole lot? I know cars won’t kill vampires, but they can still be harmed by them. So they run him a few times, maybe he’ll get trapped under the wheels or something. Then Buffy stakes him when he’s worn out.

Sisnerdly

Another amazing reaction! Episodes like this are why I love this show so much. It's a painful one, but it was necessary bcs shit, just got real! The writers said "Hey guess what. We aren't afraid to kill off your favorite characters and cause life-long trauma, and inconsolable heartbreak for the rest of them... Surprise!" It only gets better from here. The roller coaster of emotions is just beginning. And that first drop was a doozy. When you mentioned "Passions", I died! 💀 My husband and I were talking about that show just the other day. The doll's name was Timmy & the old lady was Tabitha. I remember when Timmy got trapped in the well & Tabitha was freaking out. 😂🤣 That show was on another level. Fun fact: One of your favorite Buffy characters never misses an episode of Passions! 😁 I'll leave it there. Great Job, girl! And congrats on the new baby!🤗

L R

Angel was never shown going into Giles's apartment. Giles did mention that Willow would have to go back and use the de invitation spell there . I'm sure you realise by now that the way Angel killed Jenny was why she couldn't come back as a vampire.

Bud Haven

A few things. First, Sarah did some amazing high kicks during her fight with Angel. A real stunt woman. Second, Xander looked like one of those card people from Alice in Wonderland. And las,t Angel didn't need to be invited into the school. He can go into any public building. I call this the sad episode. Angel seems irredeemable now. Soul, no soul he needs to die.

Jessica Roth

And how did I manage to miss this on Wednesday? I kept refreshing my inbox. Did you send out a fresh notification? Odd. Ironic I should have to wait longer, since a) I didn't see this ep until it was in reruns, while Season 6 was airing. (I may explain about the BtVS syndication deal later). I worked a lot of Tuesday nights in 1998, and had no DVR and would tape once-off events (sports, etc) rather than regular programming. All I saw of S2 that spring was "Innocence", "BB&B", and 2.19 and 2.21. And b) even though by 2001, when I saw the episode, I knew what happened (and had read reviews, and contemporary commentary, and written fanfic that referenced it), even then…I still couldn't make it through the episode. Had to stop at a certain point, and pick it up in the morning. Well, now, because I can't read my email notifications or something, I'll be watching it before lunch again. And the circle closes, lol. And yes, Angel's just being a dick about the invitation for the school. Uninvited vamps have been coming in there since Darla in the first scene of the pilot. Including Darla again in "Angel", the hordes in "Prophecy Girl", Bob and Ned and Walt and Jane in 2.01, Spike and his gang in "School Hard", and Angel himself on numerous occasions, as recently as three eps ago. He's just being a dick. Again.

Jessica Roth

First, I should apologize. I was wondering yesterday what it said about me that I was grumpy because I wasn't getting to see you in pain. Today, I see your tears and I feel like garbage. (I know, I know, shared catharsis is a good thing. But still.) All the hugs in the world. DARCIE (pre-show): When are we getting Angel back? ME: Never. He burns forever. To quote Uncle Enyos "Vengeance demands that his pain be eternal, as ours is." Remember how I'd been biting my lip about how much I don't like Angel? Here's a good chunk of the evidence. DARCIE (casually, during the teaser): What is [Angel] going to do? ME (hard, eternally bitter, twenty years of pain and counting): Oh, you'll see what he does. Just wait. It'll be fun! DARCIE (when Buffy not being home to protect Joyce is mentioned): Are they going to kill Momma J? ME: Oh, Darcie. Don't tease me that way… Okay, so I've also been biting my tongue about how much I fucking HATE Joyce Summers. I know, we're supposed to love her because Buffy loves her and we love Buffy (okay, sometimes it's "I love Willow and Willow loves Buffy", but usually I love Buffy, too), but I can't do it. She's nails on a chalkboard. I might sympathize, I might even take her side sometimes, but still. And while I think most of my "School Hard" animus is about people forgetting Willow (including Joyce, who spent the whole evening with her!) and all the technical stuff (poor directing, lack of pace), a good chunk of it has to be subverting our "Cool New Villains" episode into "Joyce Summers, Awesome Mom!". Sorry, not buying it. Go bonk YOURSELF with an axe, Joyce. DARCIE (after Jenny's death): There's fourteen minutes left??? ME: Oh, that was just Act 2. We've got so much left. We haven't even gotten to the really "good" stuff yet. JOYCE: Was [Angel] the first? DARCIE: Who the fuck cares? Yeah, seriously, Joyce. The issue is not that Buffy Had The Sex; it's that Buffy Fucked a Murderous Psychopath. (Which to be fair, "this being Sunnydale and all…", happens sometimes. You yourself were nearly engaged to a serial-killing robot, recall.) And skipping to the end (because I never got to covering the end of "Innocence"), while I understand the need to keep emotional focus tight, I do wonder about it being only Giles and Buffy at the funeral. I suppose maybe they had a ceremony at the funeral home (which we just saw two episodes ago), and the unveiling is a different thing, but still. I mean, Willow has to be in so much pain. And Xander, even though he was 100% anti-Jenny after the breakup, would probably be deeply hurt if he wasn't allowed to come. And, in my headcanon, Cordelia was raised too well not to go. (Also, she took computers for two years. [Harmony apparently dropped it after "The Harvest", but Cordy stuck with it.] She might not have worshipped Cal as Willow obviously did, but I can't think this didn't hit her, too.)

Jessica Roth

So, more about me. I made it through the murder, got to Giles smelling the rose (started to lose it there), lost it completely when he read "Upstairs" and raised his eyes with that hopeful smile and slammed my eyes shut, trying to hold back the tears. I forced them open again, saw the tea candles and the rose petals on the stairs, recalled the contemporary comment I had read ("[Angel] really has no life, does he?"), lost it again, and said "screw this, I"m going to bed". Woke up, started watching again, got to the scene with Buffy and Willow. Saw the inquiring look on David's face when Angel first peers in and thought, "oh wow, it's like a whole new world for him, too. He's trying to understand what he's created." (There'd been intellectual discussion of ensouled Angel as an audience surrogate, an outsider watching as we do.) Then I watched him watch Buffy collapse and Willow's cascade of sobs, saw that final smirk, realized that Angel knew all along, that he'd planned every step of it, that he'd "seen it in my head" just as Ford would say, and felt like an utter dumbfuck. And that's the moment when I **really** started to hate Angel.

Jessica Roth

My favorite episode is "Innocence", where Joss literally has Buffy cry herself to sleep and screws with six different relationships. My second favorite episode is this one. (I dock it a little because I think the "school library" joke in Act 1 is a little too meta- and because "Just ignore him and he'll go away" is so OBVIOUSLY stupid…thanks, Rupe! And because the overhead shot of "flames" near Giles is awkward [I think it's bad CGI], presumably because they didn't actually want the fire *that* close to Anthony Stewart Head. [When we see Buffy rescue him, the flames are understandably farther away]. I love almost all the directing here, but that shot takes me out of the moment, just a bit.) My third favorite episode is "Prophecy Girl". You know, the one where Buffy DIES. That's the "happy" one in the group. To quote Xander: "I'm sick. I need help." Fortunately, I have a video call with my shrink in 38 minutes. Off to feed my cat. Later.

Jordan Haddow

Nobody quite understands this show until this episode. Who could have thought, when they first started to watch a show about some tiny blond girl named Buffy who was given superpowers so she ends up being the monster in the nightmare of demons, that it would elicit the emotions this episode does? We all warn reactors to get tissues, and they think Prophecy Girl is what we mean. Nope. This episode really brings home the point, no character is safe in the Buffyverse. Heck, even Buffy died. Also, I totally agree with you on the whole show, don't tell point. They've told us many times just how bad Angelus is. (Many of the fans are used to Angel for good Angel and Angelus for bad angel) The Master said he was one of the most vicious vampires to exist. Angel even described how he systematically destroyed every good thing in Darla's (Drusilla's, not Darla's) life before he turned her. The major difference between Angel and other vampires is, he doesn't kill just to kill. He makes an artistry of inflicting the most misery he can. Now, we know that first hand. Such a painful episode, but, in a way one of the best of the show so far. Of course, I only really ever rewatch it with reactors, as I don't care to see it much other than that. I loved Jenny's character and really hated losing her. Her death though, does add a lot of depth to Angelus' character. The biggest thing being, would you even want him to get his soul back? I'm pretty sure most people after seeing this episode would just be glad to see Buffy bury a stake deep into his heart and move on.

R J Walker (FumblesMcStupid)

Well, here we are, the episode where you just have to grit your teeth and get through it. But now you have passed Buffy 101. Pretty soon you'll be ready for graduate classes :/ I'm so sorry you had to go through that :'( You made me cry :((((( Still, it is one of my favourite episodes. It's just so bloody well done. Obviously a lot of people have talked about a lot of the utter misery of this episode so I don't want to just repeat that. So here are a few tangential observations. In Dark Age Angel saved Jenny's life with his hands round her neck. Now? :/ The irony of Giles' (can't call him Rupe right now, too sad) speech to Buffy "You don't have the luxury to be a slave to passion no matter how provocative Angel is". Fast forward to Giles on a suicide mission (actually called that in the script). But also, Buffy saying he doesn't understand because Angel is not in his bedroom at night. Well, he WILL be :'( No matter HOW MANY times you hear Angel talk about the bad things he's done NOBODY understands (not characters, not viewers) until it happens to one of our own. The scenes between Giles and Jenny here (and in the last episode) just break my heart. He has clearly forgiven her but can't move on that until Buffy is OK with it. And the moment she is, argghhhhhhhhhhhh. Giles' happy little smile noooooooooooo And Angelus knows EXACTLY how to hurt Giles. He knows him. On their first meeting his response to Angel and Buffy was 'how poetic in a maudlin sort of way'. Angelus KNOWS Giles is a hopeless romantic. He knows how happy he'd be if he thought Jenny went to all that effort. Many people would go 'oh, a rose, that's nice' and walk inside. Not Giles, it's like all his dreams came true. And it kills me. Angelus has a reason to kill Jenny (much as I hate it) she was trying to restore his soul, but he has NO reason to be that cruel to Giles. tbh it's one of the most cruel and sadistic things I've ever seen on tv. Definitely then, but even now tbh (but maybe I'm not watching the right shows ;D). And the cruelty to Jenny, letting her think she could escape when he knows that's never going to happen, like a cat with a mouse. :'( And now the guilt, Buffy for not forgiving her, Giles for not being there for her. Both of them 'broke up with' their lovers in Innocence. Both of them truly lost them in Passion.

Teresa Schultz

I’m sending you a virtual hug!! This is such a beautifully tragic episode.

Jessica Roth

Most of the time, when you see a telephone on TV (pre-cellphone), it's just a prop, of course. Not this time. They rigged an actual working land line, it rang, and they had Anthony Stewart Head in another room reading dialogue (it's in the script). Nothing profound ("Willow, Angel's killed Jenny."), but Sarah and Alyson aren't reacting to empty air, they're honestly getting the news. Speaking of that, one of the great reactor lines ever, when Buffy silently hands Willow the phone: "Christ, don't make [Giles] say it twice." Fair enough, but I'll forgive Buffy her shock. (As Joyce is holding weeping Willow, she asks "Buffy, what's happened?" My 'shipper heart thinks that it's because Joyce knows Buffy is hard-wired to take care of Willow [she sent Buffy to Willow's in "Prophecy Girl", you'll remember], but that's just me.) RJ touched on all the foreshadowing going on all season (at least since "Halloween") and I'll do a comprehensive post next time. Let me just say that in almost every episode there's been something that made me sigh slightly, knowing where this was all leading. And of course, when you called Cal your favorite character a few episodes ago, I cringed on your behalf. Sorry about this.

Jessica Roth

Before I discuss foreshadowing, I should talk about something I don't think is foreshadowing. Joss only writes a year in advance, and this is Ty King's script. So I think this is just coincidence. But still… From their last conversation: RUPE: Working late? CAL: Special project. From Ms Calendar's debut episode 1.08 (aka "I'm a RAM, dammit! Not a rhino!"): CALENDAR: Say, Fritz, you and Dave are logging a scary amount of computer time. FRITZ: Special project. CALENDAR: Ooh. Will I be excited? FRITZ: You'll die. Oh, and how did Moloch kill people? (Including Fritz.) By SNAPPING NECKS. As I say, I don't THINK this was foreshadowing. But…

Bri

I love this episode, and Angelus' cruelty to Giles is torturous. But I hate that headstone with her fake name on it, and there's part of me that hates the centering of Giles grief, when Jenny (Yana) has had her life and whole future stolen from her.

Jessica Roth

From "Ted": JENNY: I've stayed out of mortal danger for three whole weeks. I could get used to it. Oh, SIGH. Little does our darling Calzone know that every third episode puts her through the wringer… 2.08-gets possessed, nearly turns to goo, is saved by Angel choking her (yikes) 2.11-awkward moments with Rupe, ending with her accidentally shooting him during the vampire attack. Ends with a nice reconciliation (and a five-week holiday break to catch up on missed "squirming"), but still. 2.14-Exposed for being a liar, Buffy climbs all over her (and not in a fun way…), her uncle is brutally murdered, and Giles drops her like a nuclear-irradiated potato 2.17-"This is the end, beautiful friend. Of our elaborate plans, the end. Of everything that stands, the end. No safety or surprise, the end. I'll never look into your eyes again."

Jessica Roth

One of the Beautiful Lines of BtVS is in this episode. BUFFY: He misses you. And I don't want him to be lonely. I don't want anyone to. Buffy feels Giles's pain because she's suffering, too. And she is such a kind soul that she wouldn't wish that on ANYONE…not even the woman she holds responsible. (Yes, Buffy knows she's being irrational in blaming Cal. But she can't help it. Not only does she visit a class she *doesn't take* just to say ZERO words to Jenny, but she's there to make sure HER Willow isn't spending extra time with the "mean teacher", either. I mean, presumably Buffy usually finds her way around the school without needing a red-headed guide. But she's drawn a line. And Willow's not allowed on the "enemy" side for more than the bare minimum. I mean, you'll notice that Willow has to APOLOGIZE to Buffy for being caught talking to Jenny. That's how hard Buffy's been making things.) So Buffy knows she has to let go of her anger. But it's not as if Buffy knows this is the last time she'll ever see Jenny, that Jenny will die tonight. That Jenny dies before the next commercial break. For all Buffy knows, if she eases up and lets Rupe and Cal reconcile, they're going to get marry and have kids (Giles is only 41, you know; he still has his virility, as the musical "1776" put it) and Buffy is going to spend THE REST OF HER LIFE visiting them and watching them be happy and putting on a smile for Rupe's sake…and still irrationally blaming Jenny and hating herself for doing so. That's what Buffy is leaving herself open to. But she does it. Because it's the right thing to do. Because Buffy Summers is a hero, bless her. And that's why I love her.

Jessica Roth

Of course, the last time I gushed about a specific line was in "Hallowe'en", where Cordelia played along with (what she thought was) one of Buffy's Stupid Lies because Buffy somehow lost her mind and got scared and needed comforting. So CC pretended that Buffy's silly lie was true, out of nothing but the goodness of her heart. What was that (beautiful) line, again? Oh, yeah… CORDELIA: It's all right. ANGEL IS A GOOD VAMPIRE. HE WOULD NEVER HURT YOU. LADY BUFFY (hopeful): Really? CORDELIA (still soothing): Absolutely. HE'S OUR FRIEND. Oy vey. And that's what we call "foreshadowing", kids. Sigh.

Steven Winthrop

After your Q&A I was like “Oh honey you got a big storm coming” 😂

Bud Haven

This is one of my most painful and well liked Buffy episodes

Lonelyjesse

I think that life knew I wasn't ready to rewatch this episode because I've just found the notification in my spams...

Eric

I thought there wasn't an episode last week! I saw you put up ep 18 in my inbox so I was freaking out that ep 17 was missing in my notifications. I'm so gonna watch this tonight! *sending late hugs*

Aseneth Murphy

I canNOT believe you referenced Passions! That was one of two soaps I ever got hooked on! Then my school schedule changed and I couldn't watch it anymore. So I never saw the finale. 😕 But no one I know EVER gets the reference! Thank you so much!

The Suburban Big Man

I take Joyce's side on this. All they do is lie to her and she is supposed to be ok with that? A parent has a right to know who their minor child is dating.. And since Darcie is beyond the third season, it isn't spoilery to say that we notice once they stop lying to Joyce about everything, she becomes more supportive. I definitely agree about Drusilla though, I want more Drusilla as well.

Scott Margeson

YEP! This is the episode where we learned no one is safe and to never be happy, because it gets taken away.