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Season 3, Ep 8 (Patreon)

Published:
2021-12-16 17:01:05
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2023-07-01 15:36:22
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okay okay but merry christmas to meeeee! 

Files

Buffy Season 3, Ep 8 - Lovers Walk

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Comments

Tim Pierce

No Spike in the thumbnail? Disappointed.

Patrick Lyke

Woohoo you are at this episode! The return of Spike!! Definitely made for a great episode. Oh, and yeah, that fake out ending was a real dirty trick but you have to give them props for pulling that twist off. Plus, imagine you giving Cornpops legit tears for a potential death when you look back at where she started back in S1. Anywho, I am SOOOOOO looking forward to what's coming up!! :)

x_Rhi_x

I mean..vampires shouldn't even be able to get drunk let alone a hungover. Best just to...let it slide lol. Also spikes car is totally mine. .full of takeaway bags and bottles lol

shellibelle77

Was waiting for this episode and your reaction did not disappoint. So glad you're enjoying season 3.

Jessica Roth

Had to bite my tongue SO hard when last week's discussion led to somebody somehow thinking I was advocating on behalf of SPIKE. Not so, Boston. Of all the "people really love this episode, but I think it SUCKS" episodes, this is the one I'm most inclined to cut a break. Marsters tries his best, there's an excuse for the main structural failing, they got me good with the fakeout, and the episode contains one of those Beautiful Lines of BtVS that I like to wax poetic about. But…Buffy lacks anything resembling heroism and the handling of Spike is ultimately ridiculous. So it's crap with a certain amount of high points…but it's still crap. Now to check out your reaction.

Melissa

This was such genuine fun to watch. The reveal of Spike and then the fakeout with Cordy's death, see look how you attached you are to her now. :) I think it was horribly mean at the time, but now I look at it and think there aren't nearly enough people there for a Cordelia funeral. Spike returning even just for an episode was a fun surprise, and the reality in his speech to Buffy and Angel mixed with the humor throughout the episode in his getting drunk to numb the pain was excellent. Although this episode pretty much cements my Xander hatred, he does have one of the best lines: Willow: Drusilla broke up with him. Xander: Gee, and we had all hoped those crazy kids would make it work. Oh, and Grease 2? Far superior to Grease. Guilty pleasure be damned.

indaeo

Grease 2 is so much better than Grease!

ghostofdurruti

Another episode that's a ton of fun (even more so than Band Candy IMO). Spike manages to convincingly cycle from pathetic to terrifying to hilarious in the span of minutes--and who would have thought we'd ever see Buffy, Spike, and Angel fighting vampires side-by-side? I don't even mind Xillow too much this time, since this is the episode in which that storyline *finally* blows up their faces. And yeah, the fakeout with Cordelia is mean as hell--though it does serve the important function of underlining how much we've come to care what happens to her. I also really like the scene between Buffy and Angel at the end. If they don't end up back together (and they really, really shouldn't), that scene is a nice way to cap off their relationship. (One nitpick though: "I can fool Giles, and I can fool my friends..." Can you really, Buffy? I think you might be overestimating yourself a bit there...) My only real complaint is that Spike continues to be wearing some *really* heavy plot armor. I mean, he's a great character and the show would be worse without him, so I don't want him to die from a viewer perspective--but from an in-universe perspective it makes very little sense that Buffy and Angel let him just walk away after the fight in the magic shop. This isn't the first time something similar has happened, though (see: Halloween and, to an extent, What's My Line Part Two), so by this point I've mostly accepted it.

Jessica Roth

First off, I'm living for your hoodie/sweater. Your face when you saw Spike was the best thing since you saw Angel kill that woman. Xander wants to double-date because he's in love with Willow…but he doesn't want to cheat on Cordelia. This way he gets to spend the evening with Willow and look at her and adore her, but they won't kiss in front of Oz and Cordelia (probably…), so that makes it all okay, right? (Shut up. It makes sense in his head. Kid's 17, okay?)

Jessica Roth

You're right that Spike and Dru deserved a better ending in S2. You can't cling on to your villains, you have to kill them (so the heroes do their job) and you have room for new villains, but you want to give them a good death. I mean, in "Prophecy Girl", Angel could have sneezed (or something) and maybe that breaks the spell and seals the Hellmouth and the Master goes back to sulking in the basement with the Annoying One…but then Buffy doesn't get her big moment and we don't get Spike and Dru. Far better to drop him through the skylight onto the Conveniently-Placed Broken Table and move on, Where was Spike ad Dru's table, I ask you? At the time, it was okay because Angel getting stabbed and sent to (a) Hell made up for letting the sub-villains get away…but Angel's back, now. Jenny's dead and Kendra's dead and the early-rising toddler is dead and the quaint little shopgirl is dead…and the vampires who did it are all happy and la-la-la. Angel is brooding and Spike is singing Gary Oldman (who was singing Sid Vicious, who was singing Frank Sinatra, who was singing Paul Anka…) and Dru is snogging a demon who's all slime and antlers, and it's as if the dead people never were. No, no, and no. At least kill ONE of them and then we can spend more time with the Mayor and his golf game. Justice leads to growth, people. Good point, Darcie.

Bri

The fakeout was so weird. Loved your joy at seeing Spike again! He's scary in this episode, at least partially because Alyson Hannigan fucking nails it. Willow's trauma is truly viscerally portrayed, I think. A shame to see Willow try to use magic in kind of a problematic way here. As a shortcut to a desired outcome in her personal life. Really glad you're enjoying Season 3 so far!

Jessica Roth

As for Rupe going a week without getting knocked out…well, not that we SAW, anyhow. Maybe he tripped over a root (Rupe v. root!) and hit his head, we don't know. (Hope he was wearing his helmet.)

bing.E

Were gonna score tonight. Were gonna scorrrre tonight-ight! 🎶

Bud Haven

I can't believe you didn't mention the Cordelia fake out. Fuck this show! That's what everybody says. You probably repressed the memory. lol

Sika6061

First of all, lookin' good girl! Love the holiday nails. Secondly, great reaction. I love this episode. It's good times. Happy holidays to you, and have fun at the homestead!

charlie ray

I didn’t think I could love your reactions more but I just reached a new level of joy… your distracting me from omnicron covid in London! Thank youuu

Jessica Roth

(Wow, actually posting from the hospital. Being ill [Congestive Heart Failure] sucks.) So this episode's flaw is obvious…Spike never shuts up. He whines about Dru leaving him in FIVE conscecutive scenes, leading up to (in?)famous "Love's Bitch" speech. So much bloviating, so little time. But the show has an excuse: Drusilla was meant to be in the episode, but Juliet Landau dropped out at the last moment. So they had to rewrite the script, and Spike keeps talking (and talking and talking…) to fill the gap. Understandable…but by the time he's running on about the homeless guy on the park bench, I pretty much want Spike to just kill ME, already. Ugh.

Jessica Roth

dissacotion is a prob;em. yu guys r are my life line. thanks so much!

Quiver

I absolutely adore the sweater you were wearing here. That color is so beautiful and there's a hood?!?! Looks like something you could wear while performing some dark rituals :D

Jessica Roth

So…I mentioned Joss destroying his relationship w stunt coordination Jeff Pruitt…but not yet. Quality work in the fight from Pruitt. Not a lot of SENSE (Buffy even mentions they're all on the same side, as EVERYBODY wants Spike to leave town) but it's kick-ass, at least.

Renee Pope-Munro

Adding my voice to the “Grease 2 is better than Grease” chorus

Jessica Roth

What is, of course, dying is Buffy's heroism and morality.

Jessica Roth

Buffy used to see saving lives as her Sacred Duty; when Jenny died she ran herself so ragged she caught the flu (even though nobody else in her friend group did). Now? She comes upon evidence that Spike killed the shopkeeper at Uncle Bob's Magic Castle (played by actress Suzanne Krull) and perhaps even performed a necrophiliac rape on her corpse, if we can judge by Willow's reaction to Spike's talk of "having".

Jessica Roth

(Suzanne Krull died some time recent-ish. One hopes that Marsters didn't stop by to "have" one for the road…) So how does Buffy respond to the news that Spike (whose previous crimes she let go unpunished) has likely committed yet ANOTHER murder, another life gone to soon? Dig this: she rolls her eyes at the police tape and says "your work?" Because apparently Buffy now finds Spike KILLING INNOCENTS to be soooooo BORING. WTF?

Jessica Roth

Now, let's recall. Spike has killed HUNDREDS of people for d

Jessica Roth

…DECADES. Buffy spent pretty m,uch all of last season trying to kill him. Finally, she let him get away, on two conditions.

Jessica Roth

1) He helps her against Angel 2) You'll never see me again, I blood well hope. What actually happened? 1) Spike ran out on the fight, abandoning Buffy to (he thought) be killed by Angel. 2) Spike is back in town, LESS THAN SIX MONTHS LATER He's not exactly trustworthy. And yet, Buffy lets him get away, AGAIN. Why?

Jessica Roth

Because Spike gave her and Angel some idiot "romantic advice". SPIKE! Who has spent DECADES with a crazy woman.

Jessica Roth

Who cheats on him, CONSTANTLY. Who just cheated on him AGAIN, which is why he's here. Angel says that Dru cheats on Spike because Spike is SEXUALLY INADEQUATE and doesn't understand "Foreplay" WHY WOULD YOU TAKE "ADVICE" FROM THAT GUY??? But Buffy does. Buffy lets Murderer Spike walk because she trusts Love Guru Spike. Why???? And that's why Buff is no longer a hero. And that's why this episode sucks. JMO.

Jordan Haddow

So, why was the fake Cordy death scene actually a good move? I of course hated it in the moment, but later upon reflection actually kind of liked it, for what I think the reason behind it is. Cordy was this character we all kind of disliked in the beginning of the show. I mean, she was a shallow mean girl who bullied out favorite characters. Over time she has grown as a character, but our view of her can still be tainted by her past in the show. So, faking her death, was a slap in the face moment for the fans to realize just how much we've actually come to love Cordelia. Faced with losing her, we all realized just how much it would hurt to lose her. I've seen some reactors in tears before the Buffy let's out that it was a fake. So, ai actually like it more because it made me appreciate Cordelia more and realize she's outgrown that past shallow mean girl from season 1. Well, mostly.

samantha

I've always been a big fan of this episode, and watching Darcie react to it made it so much better! Things I noticed that I didn't notice before: OZ is wearing a goat on his shirt. Does this mean something? Also Joyce is not looking at the monster when the spell breaks and she screams "OMG!" is that because she just realized she almost killed Buffy? Also, Where is Willow's bedroom? In season 1 I could have sworn it was on the 2nd floor of her house. In season 2 it looked liked Angel entered through a sliding back door (So I assumed first floor). In this episode it appeared both on the second floor in the first scene and then the second floor in the last seen with a window pan into her room. In any any case, love it.

Addie Pollack

Love this episode, lots of layers. “Love isn’t brains kids, it’s blood” This is an awesome line, and one that is true to Spike, but not actually true. Love, true love, requires not only desire, but empathy. If you love someone, you recognize when you need to put their needs above yours. You want them to be happy and to thrive, even if it means it’s not with you, even though you might really want it to be. In other words, love is both blood and brains. But Spike, not having a soul, is not capable of that. His “love” is only a love of desire. He has no respect for Dru, no desire to see Dru happy, no understanding of her agency. He only wants her to himself. Spike and Dru’s relationship represent how our primal brains see love, one of lust and desire and passion and immediate gratification without an understanding of the bigger picture. And, as Spike says, this type of “love”, if acted on alone, will burn you up inside, and potentially everything around you. This really establishes the parallels between the three relationships at play here this episode(Buffy/Angel, Spike/Dru, Willow/Xander). Xander and Willow are currently letter their inner Spike and Drusilla out, acting purely on desire and passion without regard for the destruction they’re causing to those around them. Buffy and Angel, on the other hand, show what true love actually is. Notice how Angel encourages Buffy at the beginning of the episode to go to college. Specifically because he knows it’s what’s best for her, even if it’s not what he personally wants. Putting her needs above his own. And Buffy, towards the end, sees the dangers of letting their primal desires take over and destroy everything, and puts a stop to it, ending the relationship. Even though she wants Angel, she knows that their relationship is not healthy, that it would end up hurting both him and her. Their love is blood and brains. Something Spike and Dru are not capable of. Also, just want to say your reactions are a lot of fun to watch! Looking forward to rewatching the show with you

darcieswatchingbuffy
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hi jesse welcome!!! so glad i caught this comment it was such a nice analysis about love and putting others above yourself. <3 IM SO excited you're here and hope you have fun!!