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Season 3, Ep 10 (Patreon)

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2021-12-31 02:34:53
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2023-07-01 15:36:05
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its still teccchnically "tuesday" ... where i'm at!

sorry for the late post!! 

orrrr you're welcome to my fellow night owls 😌

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Buffy Season 3, Ep 10 - Amends

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Melissa

You're the best, Darcie! Wasn't expecting this so soon. And you definitely made the "Tuesday" deadline. Now, to watch without waking up my fiancé in this tiny apartment.

Darrell Palmer

OMG, just pulled my dinner out of the microwave. Excellent. Buffy with my dinner. You are the Best!!!!!

Jessica Roth

Hey, Darcie! A LOT of silliness in this one, but…Jenny's back, so I have to smile at least a bit.

ghostofdurruti

Glad you were able to make it work after all! :D And how appropriate that this episode should be the one we watch right after Christmas... More extensive thoughts to come when I have time to write them (probably tomorrow)

madfem

its almost 4 AM where i am... im still gonna watch rn, yes ma'am.

That’s Not Acting

OK, so I don’t actually have this debate anymore because I have learned over and over again that it’s pretty much pointless, but I would like to ask a couple of very simple, very short questions that will hopefully lead you to the conclusion that you have committed a couple of logical fallacies. Firstly, very simply, what did he do to deserve it? You made a statement that implied that you believe that he, Angel, is deserving of this kind of psychological torture, this kind of guilt, this kind of shame. Why? Specifically, what did he do to deserve it? Secondly, why is it so much worse that he shoved her on the ground than it is that she hit him in the face? Like, why is it, “he shoved her to the ground and he grabbed her and, you, I just can’t let that go.” But it’s, “oh and she hit him, and yeah…“ She’s actually a good deal stronger than he is. Physically. So that can’t be it.And she just punched him right across the face. Why is that excusable, and the fact that he shoved her onto the ground so inexcusable? Once again, not trying to get into a debate. This is directly in specifically for Darcy. I understand that I’m likely to have some people come at me in the comments (or this has been my experience in past threads} but I’m truly only positive in these questions as hopefully to help someone find their way to the fact that their reasoning is a bit skewed, anyone please at least, a little bit problematic. Beyond all that, pastor of the angel bashing that was flying around in this episode, I really enjoyed this video just like I have all of your videos. You’re one of the more entertaining personalities that I’ve seen the reactions to Buffy. So I appreciate your time and the work that you put in. Have an awesome new year.

Melissa

For what it's worth, I think your hair looks cute. And not gun range at all. Ah yes, the fake snow. Really bad. As for someone who lives in the southern US (Atlanta, Georgia), we are well known at how badly we handle winter. Back in January of 2014, we were the laughingstock of the country because we made national news. We had two inches of snow (TWO!) and became paralyzed. It's referred to as Snowpocalypse or Snowmageddon. Saturday Night Live did a skit about it. One of the best decisions of my entire life was that I decided to work from home that day. And I don't work from home at all. (now do since the pandemic permanently). Anyway, people in the city took anywhere from 5-13 hours to get home. Some had to spend the night at the office. It was really more the ice than the snow, but it was an embarrassment. Atlanta is a driving city and not set up for snow or ice removal because why have equipment sitting around that you never use? The geography and local government all played a part but the result was a clusterf*ck of epic proportions. I'm glad you got a Christmas episode, and especially so close to Christmas. I liked the ghost morphing, that was cool. I too would have liked to see more with Faith and Joyce and the gift exchange. Faith looked so pretty at the end with the snow falling. I liked her coat and Buffy's. Glad you got to see Cal again, even if she was a little let's say interesting. Not the top of season 3 episodes for me, but definitely not the worst. Bad Angel is always good for a laugh, even if his style is questionable. That mustache is of the wrong.

cruzinbosco

I think this episode is a good one. That speech with BAngel is definitely an important one, one that I know loads of people have tattooed on their bodies and has likely saved some lives, and this episode overall ends up being super important to the series, but you'd never know that from how awfully it was written. It's a very confusing big bad and unfortunately, isn't explained well. P.S. Glad your computer is working again! I missed you!

indaeo

Glad you got everything sorted out, Darcie! I know how frustrating that kind of stuff can be. Re: this episode. I'm so glad to watch a reactor who feels the same way about Angel as I do! I don't hate him, but I've never really connected to him (or Buffy/Angel) the way others have. So you're not alone in some of the feelings you shared in this video at all. Don't feel bad about any of it.

Andrew Pulrang

I’ve never been the biggest fan of Angel and Buffy as a couple. But I think this episode is trying … only with partial success … to suggest that Angel has a role to play that isn’t really about Buffy per se. The real key to why he shouldn’t kill himself is that the evilest evil wants him to. That should be enough for him for the time being. Unfortunately, in the scene Buffy didn’t actually explain that to him, so it all came off as a personal redemption thing, when maybe — maybe? — it’s not. Or at least not solely about Angel’s personal redemption or peace of mind, or his relationship with Buffy.

indaeo

Oh, and about snowing in California.. it's a very big state, so there are some snowy mountains here (Big Bear is the most popular example of where we go to ski). Southern California, where I live, I've never seen snow. Sunnydale is supposed to be located around Northern California, however, so maybe someone from up there can comment. But the news guy said, very frankly, that Sunnydale's never had a snowfall before, which is why we got so many comments on the heat throughout the episode. It was to imply that this was a miraculous event to save Angel.

Bud Haven

Love the episode. Sarah is always great at the emotional stuff.. the best crier ever, always gets me. Hated the bangs. Whoever thought that was a look should be fired.

Jordan Haddow

Great reaction as usual. Honestly though, it is a little bit rougher of a reaction than usual with how your feelings toward Angel are. I get it. It's sometimes hard for us, as most of us have seen beyond here and into the Angel series, to remember what it was like to be just here seeing Angel, still so close to Jenny's death. Especially with her being here as a flashing reminder of why we should be wary of Angel. Still, I think it was a great reaction. For the content of the episode, like the dialogue and what not, it's okay. The thing I love is the stuff going on in the background of the episode. There's only a little I can go into, as with pretty much all Buffy episodes, there are a lot of tie ins and setups for later. Still, one of the things I really love about the show is the Slayer lore and abilities that the writers take advantage of but don't bother to specifically point out. One of Buffy's least discussed but still pretty well used abilities is her sense and dreams. Here, Buffy is just out Christmas tree shopping with her mom when she suddenly feels something off and is guided by her slayer sense to the exact point we later find out to be the point of danger. First it's pretty cool how she has the sense. Secondly though, it really shows how imperfect of a slayer Buffy is, despite her being one of the best. If she had listened to Giles in the pilot episode and honed that ability, she would have realized it wasn't just some feeling of being off, but she would have known the danger was there and fought it much sooner before Angel almost went off the rails. Having failed to properly sense the danger, her dream abilities tapped into the dreams being forced upon Angel and she found out about the danger that way. The first couple times I watched the episode, I had thought the bringers tied her in to unnerve her, but that doesn't really make sense logically. Her defenses being put up seems to outweigh any sort of unnerving she may have felt by the dream. Still, Buffy aside, this whole episode is more about Angel. I know it's easy to get lost in the romance of Buffy and Angel, but the episode really wasn't about Buffy much at all. Buffy was actually just an obstacle to be overcome in the episode. The key to what was behind it was in what the answer to Angel's question was. Who brought him back and why? The One, the evil torturing Angel made the claim it brought him back. The episode doesn't specifically answer the question either, but Buffy did make the point that just because the One made the claim, it didn't mean it was true. We do know that the One was trying to manipulate Angel because it had plans for him. Buffy wrecked those plans. What wasn't discussed or even focused on was that there seems to be another party focused on Angel. I know the snowfall at the end seems cheesy, and from a Buffy Angel standpoint it really was. The snowfall wasn't for them though. The snowstorm was just a very effective way to block out the sun so Angel couldn't kill himself and a signal to him that he shouldn't. Obviously we all know due to how many times people mentioned what a hot Christmas it was that the snowstorm was magically engineered. Still, we aren't told who did it or whether they were the ones who actually brought Angel back. No matter how you feel about Angel though, as a hint, I would recommend going back and rewatching 2x21 and 2x22 and focusing on what Whistler says to get an idea of what's going on here. So, while you may or may not like Angel personally, this episode is far bigger than the characters involved. I love when they really layer things into an episode. Makes it so much better as the show goes along and also on rewatching it.

Callumbo Heath

Honestly, this episode has one of the worst character assassinations I’ve ever seen on a show. And by that I mean, who let Buffy go out with her fringe (bangs) like that?!

Evelyn

lol I love that Darcie really said " Snow ? ... and then what ?? lol"

Amy

You're too young- we used to go to the 'video rental shop' to rent a 'video' lol I also don't think the Angel/Buffy relationship is right and I don't cheer it on, but that complicatedness makes it much more interesting and for me is part of why the show is so long lasting because people, life and relationships aren't black and white and things don't just work out neatly. They both know it is wrong but love each other anyway. Buffy may slay the monster of the week every episode but that human stuff that we all have to deal with is much harder and stays with you.

charlie ray

Fun thought from a professional hair dresser... and something I think needs some light shed upon it. Sarah’s little shattered fringe (bangs) in this episode are a classic hilarious moment but I do believe there due to breakage and damage done to her hair from bleaching. Sarah had highlights season 1 and 2 of buffy, then between season 2 and three she played a brunette in cruel intentions... thennn and beginning of season 3 her hair seems more ginger or warm in tone where they struggled to lift her hair back up but the front part of her hair around her face is lighter and blonder where they clearly couldn’t let buffy suddenly be ginger and packed more bleach in her fringe area.... then this caused damage and breakage and they had to cut this bang in.... and look in the rest of the season... there clearly trying to pin down the fringe with grips and styling.... poor Sarah having her hair destroyed for this role..... needed to get that off my chest😂

Chas Summers

I don't want to spoil anything about this season, but I don't care about this episode because I don't care about post S2 Bangel drama. At all. Even a little.

Whisper_dvm

You getting stuck on “video” was hilarious. That actually WAS a common term for them back then. DVDs were still very new (and expensive!) and most people rented VHS (aka video tapes). Even the rental places were called video stores. ie Blockbuster Video or Hollywood Video.

x_Rhi_x

The end of the sentence in the song is "t'is the season...to be jolly" so that's what it means. It's a season to be happy in. Also we used to call vhs tapes videos :) oh and oz is such a cutie

Bri

I always loved this episode. You're right there is a lot that's unhealthy about their relationship (much of it showcased in this ep). But to me, this is just about how difficult it is to be, to live with every time you've failed the people you love or fallen short, and with the uncertainty of whether or when you will again, of how hard it can be to just get through the next moment when you're at a low ebb and full of self loathing and pain. And also the tiny part of you that wants to blow up your life and make yourself a little cocoon out of the ashes.

Svetlana Grabar

A lot of people like this episode but personally it's one of my least favorites. I am happy that some things got resolved though. I'm happy that they addressed Giles/Angelus tension, because a lot of shows would just forget that was a conflict. And that Angel's return was addressed. Oz was very mature in this episode too- obviously it would be fine if he didn't forgive Willow, but I feel like the conversations they had were mature and forgiving and wholesome. But man, the fake snow and everything. Like you, I didn't feel any sympathy for Angel, so it has hard to be moved by the cheesy scene/s. Buffy literally told Giles that she's over him, then it ends with a romantic scene after they fought and he decides to not kill himself? I know it's a show and all but I can personally never get into this episode. I think I'm in the minority though, judging by the rating of this episode.

Veronika (edited)

Comment edits

2026-09-06 19:00 What a perfect timing for this episode! Happy Holidays <3 Very interesting…I get your view on the Angel issue. What I love about watching several reactors is getting to see their opinions on different topics and even though I don't agree with some of them, it always opens my eyes a little and I think about those things in a new light. I personally love this episode. Buffy once again tackles serious topics and hides them behind metaphors. I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned Passion of the Nerd to you yet but he does wonderful analyses on every episode and his analysis of this episode is one of his best in my opinion (but they're unfortunately very spoilery so I would not recommend watching them before you finish the show ☹). What TPN brings up in his video is an important question that needs to be asked (and I’m pretty sure someone has brought it up in the discussion on the Revelations episode, but I would love to hear where you stand on this issue). Do you blame Angel for the things that Angelus has done in season 2? For me, Angel and Angelus are two completely different beings and I can’t help it but feel bad for him this episode. But I understand if you don’t and your opinion is totally valid. Anyway, the way you talked about Angel and how he "deserves" it (I know you weren't serious :D), but I would just like to point out that Angel was tortured for hundreds of years in a hell dimension. And now, in this episode he is being hunted by these things . This man can’t catch a break either :D
2021-12-31 20:36 What a perfect timing for this episode! Happy Holidays <3 Very interesting…I get your view on the Angel issue. What I love about watching several reactors is getting to see their opinions on different topics and even though I don't agree with some of them, it always opens my eyes a little and I think about those things in a new light. I personally love this episode. Buffy once again tackles serious topics and hides them behind metaphors. I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned Passion of the Nerd to you yet but he does wonderful analyses on every episode and his analysis of this episode is one of his best in my opinion (but they're unfortunately very spoilery so I would not recommend watching them before you finish the show ☹). What TPN brings up in his video is an important question that needs to be asked (and I’m pretty sure someone has brought it up in the discussion on the Revelations episode, but I would love to hear where you stand on this issue). Do you blame Angel for the things that Angelus has done in season 2? For me, Angel and Angelus are two completely different beings and I can’t help it but feel bad for him this episode. But I understand if you don’t and your opinion is totally valid. Anyway, the way you talked about Angel and how he "deserves" it (I know you weren't serious :D), but I would just like to point out that Angel was tortured for hundreds of years in a hell dimension. And now, in this episode he is being hunted by these things . This man can’t catch a break either :D

What a perfect timing for this episode! Happy Holidays <3 Very interesting…I get your view on the Angel issue. What I love about watching several reactors is getting to see their opinions on different topics and even though I don't agree with some of them, it always opens my eyes a little and I think about those things in a new light. I personally love this episode. Buffy once again tackles serious topics and hides them behind metaphors. I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned Passion of the Nerd to you yet but he does wonderful analyses on every episode and his analysis of this episode is one of his best in my opinion (but they're unfortunately very spoilery so I would not recommend watching them before you finish the show ☹). What TPN brings up in his video is an important question that needs to be asked (and I’m pretty sure someone has brought it up in the discussion on the Revelations episode, but I would love to hear where you stand on this issue). Do you blame Angel for the things that Angelus has done in season 2? For me, Angel and Angelus are two completely different beings and I can’t help it but feel bad for him this episode. But I understand if you don’t and your opinion is totally valid. Anyway, the way you talked about Angel and how he "deserves" it (I know you weren't serious :D), but I would just like to point out that Angel was tortured for hundreds of years in a hell dimension. And now, in this episode he is being hunted by these things . This man can’t catch a break either :D

bing.E

I love the reaction. I love getting different opinions than my own and don’t get me wrong, it’s not my fave episode but there are reasons i like it a little. Personally, I do feel sorry for Angel. My biggest reason lol is because every time buffy hit Angel first and he hits/bites back, its like hello just because she’s a girl doesn’t make it ok plus shes wayyy stronger than him. I love both of them separately but not together and I will admit as I got older I started to like him more on his show than Buffy but on Buffy I do sympathize with him. I think anyone who has ever hated or been angry with themselves understands. I know he did a lot of evil but he had no soul and he’s been toyed with and threatened by many “bad guys” while he was with his soul to go back to his old ways but for a weak guy, he never goes back. He always resists because he never wants to hurt another person. So yeah decent episode but not a Bangel fan so ehhh but decent episode if you take oug all the lovey dovey, to me at least lol

David Meadows

Well it was fun to see Darcie go all Xander on Angel's ass :D And who won the "Darcie complains about fake snow" sweepstakes? ;-)

R J Walker (FumblesMcStupid) (edited)

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2026-09-06 19:00 Yay, Darcie at the gun range with her great hair and 9/10 eyebrows ;) I'm not a big fan of this one apart from Oz being the most mature teenager on the planet (love that), Faith lying badly and then turning up at Buffy's with 'crappy' gifts ;'( and, of course, Rupe and Angel. That moment when he opens the door and freezes, the way he says 'come in' as if he's a cat inviting a mouse inside. This is all the revenge he can get and he's going for it. I'm sure he knows Angel didn't do those things but when he gets emotional all logic is out of the window. I know the meta reason he had to put the cross bow down but my headcanon, in-universe reason is that he realised that he might actually pull the trigger and he'd not be able to look Buffy in the face (after sweeping him up with a dust pan and brush lmao). I mean, like you said, he'd be getting rid of one of the most dangerous beings on the planet. IMO it crossed his mind! And nobody ever seems to talk about Buffy seeing Jenny. How shocking that must have been. The woman who died trying to save her and her lasts words to Jenny were basically 'yes, keep feeling guilty'. Yikes :'( But I really hate they used Jenny in this episode - the woman who spent her last weeks trying to give Angel his soul back. I mean, of course it makes sense but &gt;:( And so we come to The Wish and HOW MUCH I wish she'd been in that episode instead of this because then at least it would have been Jenny, not some evil thing using her image. And we would have seen Rupe and Cal again :'( On the other hand, Giles ending that world thinking the other one has to be better would have broken my heart. :((((((
2022-01-01 14:25 Yay, Darcie at the gun range with her great hair and 9/10 eyebrows ;) I'm not a big fan of this one apart from Oz being the most mature teenager on the planet (love that), Faith lying badly and then turning up at Buffy's with 'crappy' gifts ;'( and, of course, Rupe and Angel. That moment when he opens the door and freezes, the way he says 'come in' as if he's a cat inviting a mouse inside. This is all the revenge he can get and he's going for it. I'm sure he knows Angel didn't do those things but when he gets emotional all logic is out of the window. I know the meta reason he had to put the cross bow down but my headcanon, in-universe reason is that he realised that he might actually pull the trigger and he'd not be able to look Buffy in the face (after sweeping him up with a dust pan and brush lmao). I mean, like you said, he'd be getting rid of one of the most dangerous beings on the planet. IMO it crossed his mind! And nobody ever seems to talk about Buffy seeing Jenny. How shocking that must have been. The woman who died trying to save her and her lasts words to Jenny were basically 'yes, keep feeling guilty'. Yikes :'( But I really hate they used Jenny in this episode - the woman who spent her last weeks trying to give Angel his soul back. I mean, of course it makes sense but >:( And so we come to The Wish and HOW MUCH I wish she'd been in that episode instead of this because then at least it would have been Jenny, not some evil thing using her image. And we would have seen Rupe and Cal again :'( On the other hand, Giles ending that world thinking the other one has to be better would have broken my heart. :((((((

Yay, Darcie at the gun range with her great hair and 9/10 eyebrows ;) I'm not a big fan of this one apart from Oz being the most mature teenager on the planet (love that), Faith lying badly and then turning up at Buffy's with 'crappy' gifts ;'( and, of course, Rupe and Angel. That moment when he opens the door and freezes, the way he says 'come in' as if he's a cat inviting a mouse inside. This is all the revenge he can get and he's going for it. I'm sure he knows Angel didn't do those things but when he gets emotional all logic is out of the window. I know the meta reason he had to put the cross bow down but my headcanon, in-universe reason is that he realised that he might actually pull the trigger and he'd not be able to look Buffy in the face (after sweeping him up with a dust pan and brush lmao). I mean, like you said, he'd be getting rid of one of the most dangerous beings on the planet. IMO it crossed his mind! And nobody ever seems to talk about Buffy seeing Jenny. How shocking that must have been. The woman who died trying to save her and her lasts words to Jenny were basically 'yes, keep feeling guilty'. Yikes :'( But I really hate they used Jenny in this episode - the woman who spent her last weeks trying to give Angel his soul back. I mean, of course it makes sense but >:( And so we come to The Wish and HOW MUCH I wish she'd been in that episode instead of this because then at least it would have been Jenny, not some evil thing using her image. And we would have seen Rupe and Cal again :'( On the other hand, Giles ending that world thinking the other one has to be better would have broken my heart. :((((((

Jessica Roth

One of the great disappointments in the episode (aside from the stupid idea that Miracle Snow™ blocks ALL sunlight, the crap job done on the snow itself and Cynthia Bergstrom somehow missing the 9000 "It's so HOT!!" cues in the script and dressing EVERYONE [even the extras] as if it's the first frost) is that exactly NOBODY makes any amends in the episode. Unless you count Willow throwing herself at Perfect! Oz's feet, which infuriates me on a whole other level. (How come Oz doesn't have to discuss what HE might be failing to do for HER? He was perfect and she's just some Xander-humping floozy, is that it? No real communication, just Willow begging and groveling until His Perfectness deigns to forgive her. Because Oz isn't an actual character, he's just a hologram. Or, as someone wiser than I once wrote, "a stick with which to beat Willow". Pass.)

Jessica Roth

We learn that Angel, big Jerk that he is, hasn't attempted to communicate with Giles AT ALL, even though it's been months. His first thought about "making amends" with Rupe is when Angel needs a favor. Of course it is. And nobody's actually haunting Angel, not Jenny or Daniel or Catherine the housemaid or Travis and his neatly-arranged children (plural, you'll note…Angel killed MULTIPLE kids that night), nah it's just a trick from a Big Giant Evil (that they've never heard of before). So Angel doesn't need to make any amends at all, it seems. Everything's cool and Buffy loves him and needs him and that's all that matters, Joss tells us. F.U., Joss. And the dialog on the cliff is such fanfic-level crap. Short version: ANGEL: I've killed so many people, and I'll probably keep doing it, because the demon is so strong. BUFFY: Wah, wah, wah, what about ME?? I can't chase Scott down again, it would be embarrassing. It's moments like this when I hate both of them so much. (And I largely love Buffy. But she loses all credit when she's in Defender of Innocent Forehead mode. JMO.)

Jessica Roth

I also hate the faux-retro "W/X/G/Buffy research, just the four of them! It's just like Season 1! Awww!", montage. Partially because nothing gets done (Giles finds the answer on his own, Buffy fights on her own; my two favorite characters are treated as disposable [Willow] or an impediment to Buffy's Happy Cave-Brow Smoochy-Time), but because of the idea that it was wrong to expand the group beyond the original four. I disagree. Cordelia had a place in the group. Jenny had a place in the group. Even Angel had a place in the group. And the few moments when Oz feels like an actual character are when he's working with the group, rather than this "Is Willow Good Enough for Perfect Oz, Blessed Be His Name?" patriarchal shit we have to deal with most of the time. Change is the basic process of life. If we'd stayed with 13 states, they wouldn't even be in Sunnydale. Again, I wouldn't mind it if the reduction to B/W/X/G meant that we ACTUALLY HAD the S1 dynamic back for a bit, but this gauze-filtered pointless montage crap is just Joss trying to take credit for past glories. Which I guess you could say about the whole episode ("Hey, wasn't S2 cool? Remember Jenny?), so that makes this as useless as "Anne", ultimately. 0-2 on the season thus far, Joss. *DO BETTER, PLEASE* . Grrr.

Purple Nurple

'Does anyone say video' - directly underneath Darcie talking is the quote 'Want to help your business thrive by using video?' lol As someone who used to have VHS tapes, yeah we used to say videos, or we'd say films (rarely movies though, but I am British). We'd say videos because it may be TV shows we'd watch on video too.

Jessica Roth
>>75621200

One reason to use "videos" is because the store also included a selection of non-fiction instructional tapes; everything from home repair to the famous "Dorf on Golf" series. As these never were broadcast of screened in any other medium, a generic classification was needed.

Shelby

Damn it....Xander's yawn made you yawn, and then your yawn made me yawn.

Jordan

I’m with you! Angel is my least favorite and I’ve told you this before on YouTube but Cal is my favorite character! Her and Giles together will always be my favorite ship!