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Season 3, Ep 16 (Patreon)

Published:
2022-02-15 17:11:17
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2023-07-01 15:34:06
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hey hey happy tuesday! the same day i always upload... every single time. 

i never thought i'd get to see vampire willow again and lets just say, im not mad about it. 😌

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Buffy Season 3, Ep 16 - Doppelgangland

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Jessica Roth

So, unlike the majority of posters, I'm not so crazy about Season 3. Every other episode for a while there. But "Bad Girls" was good and "Consequences" was better. Is there an even higher step? Let's see…

Ailish

The eyebrows 😭

ghostofdurruti

Hey, look, it's that follow-up to "The Wish" I was wishing for! Thanks, Anyanka! I love this episode so much. It's probably my second favorite of the season (after "The Wish") just because I tend to prefer the more serious/dramatic episodes over the ones that are just plain fun, but this one is *so* fun that it comes pretty close. Alyson really knocks it out of the park with her performance--like you pointed out, she not only has to portray two characters, but also those two characters pretending to be each other! Plus, the episode is loaded with great character moments. The scene in the library where Willow walks in on the Buffy, Xander, and Giles mourning her is a highlight of the whole series for me. It's a slight mark against the episode that once again Buffy and co release a dangerous vampire into the wild. It doesn't really bother me that much, though; it's not like it's out of character at this point, and if they're willing to let *Spike* of all people go just because he's fought alongside her a few times, I suppose it makes sense that they'd be even more willing to let a vampire version of Willow go. There's even an argument to be made that restoring the "balance" between the worlds by returning Vampire Willow to her own world is the right thing to do. (Not a particularly good argument IMO, but an argument.) All in all, a great reaction to a great episode. Really looking forward to this final stretch of the season that we're about to start...

Jessica Roth

I swear, it took forever for me to get that your cheek was LITERALLY twitching. I thought you were just describing your emotional response. LMAO at my being so thick. (Perhaps ice next time? Numbing an irritated nerve should work, I'd think.)

Noah

Ok, firstly (and most importantly): your “elk horns” line made me actually laugh. Well done. :) Secondly, this episode has one of my favorite lines of the series, and I couldn’t tell whether you caught it. Oz’s “there’s something about you that’s causing me to hug you. It’s like I have no will of my own” is one of those understated lines that went right by me the first few times and I now I smile whenever I see that scene.

Andrew Pulrang

You know, there are, um, *other* episodes of Buffy that are supposed to be among the greatest episodes of TV ever. But this one may be that good too. Along with everything else, there’s so much character development in this one episode, in such brief scenes and encounters. For example: We get to see Angel and Oz interact … showing that in this extended group, people who really have nothing in common by themselves can kind of hang out from time to time. Cordelia finally gets to unload a bit about the whole Willow / Xander fiasco … even if it’s with the wrong Willow. Willow’s personality is explored in some interesting and somewhat overdue ways. We have more evidence of how much Giles cares about everyone in the Scoobies, not just Buffy. I even love seeing how in Dingoes Ate My Baby, Oz isn’t the leader … that’s Devon … but he is clearly the brains of the outfit since Devon is kind of a dope. And so much more … SO much more.

Jordan Haddow

I love this episode. Vamp Willow is such a great character and Alyson did such a great job with it. I love the part where she first goes into the Bronze and beats up the jerk. Plus, the scene where Buffy and crew think that Willow is dead then finds out she's alive is priceless. Plus, I've found, this episode ages well. As the show goes on, you have certain episodes you just remember and tend to go back and watch again. This is definitely one of those.

SK Elkins

Whedon-penned episodes really do have a special sparkle, don't they? I'm not at all okay with the guy's personal behavior, but he can write a mean script. One of my favorite things about this episode is the way that it takes aim at the ridiculous "what people are like as vampires has nothing to do with what they were like alive" line. That claim has been obvious bullshit since the very start, when we first saw poor dead vampirized Jesse set his sites unerringly on Cordelia in the pilot, but it's nice to get some pushback on the notion directly from Angel himself here. I also really like the way that Willow's characterization as a hopelessly bad actress is established at the start of the episode by the terrible attempt at cool civility with which she responds to Faith's questions about her attempts to hack into the Mayor's computer files. It's painfully obvious that Willow *really* dislikes Faith, but she is making a genuine effort at being polite and civil to her. It's also evident that her 'genuine effort' is utterly unconvincing - a characterization beat that will then make a hilarious comeback later in the episode. I just think that's some very smart writing.

John

This is such a fun episode and I howled my way through it, again 😂 When Willow scowled “I’m not a vampire” I screamed. Delighted you’re enjoying this season and can’t wait for you to see what’s to come!

Jessica Roth

Well, that will teach me to leave my comments half-finished overnight…and then knock the power cord loose and have the machine run out of juice. That reboot, um, gives me the opportunity to start fresh. (Yeah, that's the ticket.) My favorite of the season, as mentioned up-thread. It's so nice that, after the other writers struggled to properly use "minor" characters such as Willow and Xander (grr…) that Joss effortlessly gives memorable work to not only our seven regulars (and their ally, Wesley), but also Faith, the Mayor, Devon, Anya, and Alphonse (the lead vampire). That's THIRTEEN characters he juggles, in case you lost count. Take note, new writers!

Jessica Roth

It's so great to see Aly shine in what are, essentially, FOUR different roles. (Counting the Willows impersonating each other.). The way she differentiates VampWillow from RealWillow in the Bronze scenes is so cute…her little wave to Oz, her trying to run her hand through that extra's hair…and getting caught, the "kindly teacher" vibe she gives to the henchvamps that she sends outside; all so perfect. But other actors also shine: •. I love how, as in "Halloween", David Boreanaz is unafraid to take Angel into "thank goodness he's pretty" territory. When Angel sees Willow, David plays SO confused that I'm not certain he's figured out "there are two Willows" before Buffy clues him in by referring to VW as "her". Is he wondering "did Willow somehow stop being a vampire? Can you do that?" or "wait, how did she beat me here?" without catching the slightest clue. (Again, remember that Angel is the romantic lead and thus David will be getting his own series down the road. A lot of actors would "protect" the character; David doesn't. Good for him.) • A lot the time, Seth Green underplays Oz to the point of annoying me. I mean, showing almost no reaction isn't exactly "acting", necessarily. But it all pays off here, when Willow gives Oz the little wave and Oz responds with just the TINIEST eyebrow raise to show his surprise. Nicely done. (I wonder if they gave Seth the black eyebrows just so we could more easily spot that?)

Jessica Roth

And let's not forget Nick Brendon, who gives such an expression in reaction to Giles's complete lack of an explanation that David Hines said Xander's line ("Can you believe the Watchers' Council let this guy go?") was almost unnecessary; Nick's face said it all. (I still like the line, though.) And SMG has such a PERFECT combination of grief and guilt all over her face when Buffy goes to bring Giles the tragic news that she makes that moment memorable without even a single line of dialogue, Even in a crowded episode, she manages to be a star.

Jessica Roth

A few smaller moments I wanted to mention…and one BIG characterization flub and some general complaints that keep this from the top of the mountain…but the new reaction just came in, so later for this

Jessica Roth

Okay, so the major problem is that Cordelia so quickly dismisses Willow's "death". A character regression for the sake of a cheap joke, and all the more disappointing because it was Joss himself who wrote the beautiful scenes of Cordy being emotional at the comatose Willow's bed in "Becoming, part 2", including the one where she blames herself for "running…through three counties" , even though that was at Xander's order, and she couldn't have done anything anyway. It's been a lovely growth-arc for CC, going from the mean girl to having a good relationship with the girl she used to pick on. Even the worst episodes this season showed this positively, from CC seeking out Willow for her opinion (!) in "Anne" to tenderly caring for Will after she faints in "Beauty and the Beasts". (And then promptly vanishing for the rest of the episode, but that's one of the reasons it's a lousy ep.) Obviously, the Xillow affair and Cordelia's injury severely damaged that friendship (although in "The Wish" Cordy seems to blame Xander and Buffy more…), but it's clear that Cordelia still cares what Willow thinks, wants Willow to understand how hurt she was. Why else would she want to have an "Ethics of Boyfriend-Stealing" chat, instead of simply turning and leaving "Willow" in the cage? (Aside from Cordy being "a great humanitarian", I mean.) After all, she had so much to say that (as someone more observant noted), she not only got herself a chair but she took the time to MAKE COFFEE (and even snagged one of Giles's mugs, lol.) But what do we get? "Willow. They got Willow. So what are you doing for dinner tonight?" Shame on you, Joss. Shame, shame.

Jessica Roth

The longterm issue is that the episode feels discontinuous., even though it not only works the ongoing Willow-Buffy-Faith "triangle" plot, but provides a definitive answer to "would Buffy have killed Allan, too?" You caught that, right? At the start of the episode, we see Buffy intensely focused on training, because she wants to be better than Faith, because she worries that "different circumstances, that could be me". And after that, we see Wesley say that, despite Faith's formidable skills, she's still "a little sloppy". And what's our climax? Not only is Buffy able to hear Willow calling for help despite the Bronze being total chaos ( <3 ), but she hears Willow's "Buffy, no!" in time to stop herself from slaying VampWillow. As opposed to Faith not hearing Buffy's "Faith, no!" in "Bad Girls"…or not caring. WILLOW: Nice reflexes. BUFFY: Well, I work out. And that's why Buffy ≠ Faith, in six simple words. So why do I say the episode feels discontinuous? Next post for that. [/tease]