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Ghouls in session with Amina by Edward Lucas White, kicking off a month of monster madness!

Special thanks to reader Andrew Leman of The H.P. Lovecraft Historical Society. Pick up those prop maps now!

Next up: Love Me Tender by Bob Shaw

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Rick Hound

It’s interesting how my first interactions with ghouls is reading the manga series Tokyo Ghoul; which also has the first ghoul shown to be a voracious woman predating on the main character. Later on it’s found out her family line of ghouls came from the Middle East to Japan in the distant past. I wonder if the author was influenced specifically on the 1001 nights for that detail, or maybe he just wanted to indicate they are ancient?

MonsterTalk

I think it's in Garman's The Graveyard Book where the ghouls absorbed the knowledge of the corpses they eat? Faster than DuoLingo for picking up some language skills.

MonsterTalk

Backwards feet is a common monster feature in folklore to explain why they are hard to be tracked. Very common. I've heard it for Yeti and Mapinguari and others.

Jason Thompson

Man. It’s one thing a ghoul wanting to eat you, but having a girl ghoul say you’re fat 😥

ESTY

I think there’s a layer of horror that might have been left out here. I don’t think she was going to eat him right away. That litter of cubs was moving around pretty well; they should be ready to hunt on their own by the time mama is ready with her next litter. I think the plan was to dine after mama gets a new baby-daddy.

Jason Thompson

You should turn this into ghoul month and do the direct Pickman’s Model sequel “Far Below”!

Allison Albright

The Asian ghoul (daemonium asiaticus) prefers fresh prey and only eats corpses if it has no other options. However, the North American ghoul (daemonium vulgaris) is a scavenger primarily and consumes mostly carrion. Because of their occasional habit of eating humans or our livestock, ghouls were considered vermin and were hunted near to extinction in the 19th century as human territorial expansion encroached on ghoul habitat. By 1915 only a few hundred wild ghouls remained. However, both species of ghoul have been legally protected since the passage of the Endangered Species Act in 1973, and their population has recovered significantly. Despite their unpleasant appearance and dining habits, ghouls are an important part of the ecosystem.

It's a Ghost.

"Where's Waldo?" - The consul discovering Waldo's disappearance

Ann Knight

Lukundoo is a great body horror + revenge story. I need to reread it.

Anne Ominous

Consul was on a ghoul hunt and Waldo was the bait! Rippin' adventure with some really well written imagery. Reads like some of these short vids online where the end loops right back to the beginning. I almost started reading it again. Not bad 1907...not bad at all

Jim Cannon

Neat! On my re-listen I just hit "The Snout" last week. Chris was not circumspect about summarizing "Lukundoo" that time, so maybe you guys are now considering actually tackling it and want to avoid spoilers? I hope so.

Jim Cannon

Tolkien was reportedly ambivalent about how Evil the Orcs were. He needed bad guys for the heroes to fight, but being extremely Catholic the idea of intelligent beings without Free Will, who were born Evil, didn't sit well with him. In at least one letter, he even self-identified as an Orc, being a veteran of WWI, where everyone was an Orc. So yeah, probably okay to think of them as redeemable somehow. The Elf deal from the movies is one possible origin that Tolkien considered for them; evil is incapable of creating anything, because creation is good. So the reasoning is that Morgoth, Middle-Earth's Lucifur, turned some Elves into Orcs. Which implies that Orcs may be immortal too? Anyway, that doesn't explain where the Balrogs, werewolves, and vampires came from. But you should totally read The Silmarillion. Its easy!

Mooncubus

The mention of hyenas makes me wonder if Gnolls from DnD are in any way related to ghouls.

Bugberry

Early on the mention of Djinn, white “saviors” getting lost in the desert and Arabic folklore got me in mind of Dune, but then the uncannily mature infants sealed the deal. Basically a bunch of Alia Atreides.

Ethan Cordray

On magical monsters as invasive species: a good take on this is in The Witcher (novels, video games, and TV show) in which there are a bunch of monsters around because of an event in the distant past when a bunch of different dimensions crashed together, and creatures from totally alien ecosystems were left stranded in the wrong world. Interestingly, it seems that one of these invasive species in the Witcher's world was...humans.

The Eldritch Dark

You’re doing CAS’s Dark Eidelon? 😂 Buckle up tight for that one - it’s crazy

Science Doctor, PhD

So a quick anecdote about being thirsty, not quite the same of course, but a window in. Once a few years back my partner and I were on a challenging hike in Central Oregon. The weather was supposed to be nice, relatively cool and cloudy, and we thought we'd brought plenty of water. We hike frequently, and are used to the normal safety precautions. But we'd messed up; it ended up shifting to full sun by the late morning (when we were at the apex of our hike, up a very steep climb) and by the time we got halfway back it was in the low nineties and full sun. We ran out of water at about the halfway mark of the hike somehow (I still don't know where we went wrong, but we double check every time now). We were miserable, thought we might pass out, were clearly suffering from a heat emergency. Toward the end of the hike (but still a little way back toward civilization) we ran into another set of hikers at the end of their hike. We asked if they had water and they did, sort of. They had a few swallows of warm water, full of backwash and cloudy, at the bottom of a bottle. We'd never welcomed and enjoyed a drink so much. So I guess what I'm saying is if I was lost in the desert I'd definitely follow a slightly oddly proportioned woman back to her cave for some goats milk and probable murder.

Darren Hennessey

The favorite Djinn story is “Hurrem and the Djinn” by Claire North. It appears in the anthology, “The Djinn Falls in Love”.

Richard Horsman

I wonder if Waldo didn’t miscount and now there are several hungry, angry ghoul pups in the vicinity that Consul isn’t aware of.

Eric - Speaker in Digressions

Since I've been grading Latin assignments, I have to be That Guy and point out that "animus" means "mind" or "soul" (the rational, thinking bit of humans), whereas "anima" is the "breath of life" that all animals have. In the 90s I had a website for correcting Latin in RPG supplements. I'm popular at parties.

Thunk

Anyone else thinks of that Tool album?

Bob Sharp

Waldo is the personification of the phrase "God, please grant me the confidence of a mediocre white man."

Mochi needs Catnip

I feel like you guys are saying the same names over and over each show. Lol oh well this story was ghoultacular.

Oleh R

As a someone who grew up in Bergen County, and attended the same university as White, I would be remiss if I did not correct you, Chris. It’s Johns Hopkins. Johnsssssss. The snootier it sounds, the better.

Innsmouth Gold

Gotta love a good ghoul story! Tolkien never really settled on the origin of orcs. He began by saying that they were captured elves, twisted by Morgoth. However he later changed his mind, bringing in other equally unsettling ideas of "cross breeding." I think given his religious beliefs he struggled with the concept of sentient creatures being "beyond redemption" in the eyes of a creator. BTW if you want a Tolkien podcast I can highly recommend the Prancing Pony Podcast, those guys really know their stuff and present it in an entertaining way.

Dennis Bashaw

After reading the story I am convinced that Amina did go to a Mission school. She says that "the maidens of the free folk are like the other maidens they teach, though the Free Folk when grown are not as town dwellers are." Also her young seem to look human to Waldo when he sees them. So I think they develop more ghoulish characteristics as they age.

Ziggy Bartdust

"Basic Survival Skills? What are those?!"-Some Asshole named Waldo Probably

Exanimus

From the same Latin come I

Grackles

I feel quite sure that Tolkien says that Orcs are fallen Elves. IE fallen angels.