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D&D Court: The Spelljammer Rebellion (Patreon)

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2022-09-16 06:12:23
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Welcome to Dungeon Court! Join Justices Murphy, Tanner, Axford and the multi-talented Jon Odenkirk Hurwitz as they convene to pass judgement on your trials at the table.

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Robert tellez

Don't most most school cafeterias double as the gym?

John the Spaceship

Also the airplane guy said that he was asked to play from the airport, not the airplane, which is a little less crazy (but still not great obviously)

riskutforthebriskut

"they asked if i could play from the airport/airplane and pay for the wifi" there would be no need to pay for wifi at the airport where there is free wifi lmao

Man_Ray 237

For my schools they doubled as the auditorium/theater stage area

FiendishNoodles

Truly do not know if I'm about to open this and listen to a razz on the bailiff or Jake's brother Jon Odenkirk Hurwitz guest starring with no knowledge of dungeons and dragons.

Penpen

Really enjoyed the show, but i dont know if i trust bailiff Jon's direction he's taken the crit. I feel he must be ousted before his words poison the well more than he already has. #oustjon

Groove819

Slightly disagree with the ruling on the accidental advantage roll. In my experience it's usual in most game to take the first roll that comes up when that happens. If you're used to that and then someone's doing it differently and telling you they'll boot you if you don't like it,not great gming in my opinion.

Lucas

I really felt that roll 20 case. DMing in that medium can be quite horrendous. Great when you find a nice group tho, take a couple campaigns.

Chase Hinton

Is there any particular reason I can't download the episodes on here anymore? I really miss being able to listen to a full episode uninterrupted on my way to work.

Mikkel Voigt

I'm with Jake about cafeterias

Folarin Akinmade

Absolutely FLABBERGASTED by the Spelljammer Coup case. What a truly bizarre and cruel(?!) Move on the new DMs part!

Rajdeep Dhindsa

As someone that has only played online, the nat 20 definitely counted, this is classic irl vs computer discrimination also the dm sounds insane Edit: the crew here really dig into the guy and I'm like almost being radicalized as being a naddpod hater 🤣 or at least I have to call for a retrial, I demand justice!

Sam

Contains spoilers for: Endgame, All Dogs Go To Heaven, Better Call John

Bob Crossen

I firmly disagree with the ruling on the Robbed Nat 20 on Roll20. Roll20 is set up in such a way that you know which roll was rolled first and which roll was rolled second. The nat 20 should have counted, especially since many games on the platform keep double rolls on all the time and just apply advantage or disadvantage as needed to the second roll when it applies (in fact, it rolls two dice by default!). It is not the same as rolling on a table where you don't know which was first and which was second, and for that I wish to appeal the ruling.

Connor MacLean-Kennedy

Hey does anyone know if we can download content from patreon to listen offline? Or is that a feature for only like spotify

Ben M

Pretty sure the Spelljammer DM is an undiagnosed sociopath and has a super fragile ego.

Apex

Fun fact: I was a teacher in Japan for 3 years and kids do in fact eat in their classrooms at their desks! In Japanese schools a student’s classroom is kind of like their home. The teachers change rooms each class period rather than the students, so the desks truly belong to the students and aren’t communal across different class periods like they are in American schools.

Apex

There’s a permalink feature that allows you to get Patreon content on Apple podcasts which has a download feature

boundspyral

Honestly surprised that the Robbed 20 case went down like it did. That DM felt unnecessarily harsh for what it was all worth. Maybe it's just my group, but we usually just take the first result of the two if someone mistakenly keeps their Adv/Dis toggle on. Threatening to boot someone from a game for that just sounds like the guy was on a power trip.

Sebastian Lecha

The court has gone soft. Being back the cruel and unusual punishment!

Temedar

I might be jaded but people on the internet lie a lot because it's easy and has no real consequences. Squashing that fast and hard also sends a message to anyone who may lie. That you won't profit from a mistake or accident. Power tip or someone who has been ran rough shot over and maybe overcompensating a bit now. I agree with you I just believe there may be reasonable assumptions for the dms harshness.

Dave 3D Art

Thank you for accepting my repentance. I will buy some cranberry juice tonight.

Elena Mihajlov

I've never wanted an update on a dungeon court case as much as I've wanted one on the Spelljammer Rebellion. Whoever you are, please follow up with the court in the future if you're willing to do so.

Ilana Galpert

Spoiler for a court of fey and flowers:I've been listening to a court of fey and flowers and I just have to say the spying african greys followed by gift of gab followed by truth serum?? And spiking grandpa's drink??? Perfect. Brilliant. Chefs Kiss. Emily proving once again that you can whomp a DM in or out of combat.

Andrew Yeager

Thank you.b My I ask if you'll join me and getting rid of cafeterias for schools?

Ilana Galpert

Ok I just really should have spoilered *this* post (sorry y'all) Also so funny that immediately after you shorted the wager Rue declared you successful

Andrew Yeager

If we can't get a retrial for myself, We must band together and get rid of all cafeterias in every school nationwide

Andrew Yeager

Thank you. I wanted to keep things short, so had trouble contain all pertinent information

Andrew Yeager

Us roll 20 crew unite. We must band together to ban cafeterias in schools nationwide.

Jonah Wilkinson

Interesting insight from a teacher: our school switched to having lunches in the classroom during Covid to limit contact with other students. This year they went back to using the cafeteria but a lot of teachers are pushing to switch it back to the classroom. So are a lot of students, they like being able to watch PBS kids during lunch on the projector

Bob Crossen

@Temedar The thing with Roll20 is that if your roll on the virtual table, your rolls are open to the entire group, including the DM. Everyone can see what you rolled, so lying about the rolls can't really even happen. The DM in this case was just an assshole on a power trip.

FusRohNahSon

The people demand a retrial on the Robbed 20

FusRohNahSon

We love the judges this was obviously a blindspot for them and as the defendants Lawyer Id like to move for appeal

Crits

Just a friendly suggestion, you might want to put "SPOILER WARNING: court of fey and flowers" so people who are skimming the comments dont accidentally read spoilers. Caps catches attention a little better for skimming

PineappleLiar

Yeah I’ve played a lot of Roll20 games in my day, and everyone screws up the advantage toggle from time to time. Across all those games standard practice is to always take the first roll, and mourn whatever you happened to roll second. I get that the judges are used to advantage dice being rolled simultaneously as is standard practice in the physical field, but Roll20 has an inherently ordered rolling system that means players/dms can’t just pick and choose whatever roll they favor. On a side note I do wonder about the advantage initiative roll though, as initiative is one of the few clickables on the Roll20 character sheet that *won’t* trigger with an advantage toggle (you need to go into the sheet settings to enable that, as advantage on initiative isn’t very common). Maybe the player just clicked on their Dex for initiative, but then that means it wouldn’t have been added to the turn order if they were using that in game. Idk it says to me that both the player and gm may have not really known the software, but I still favor the player in this case.

Ilana Galpert

You're not wrong. I was intentionally vague in my language, but adding a spoiler doesn't hurt

Jo

okay as a dm and a player, im definitely a dm that would allow my players to play on a plane. i also just want to play man

Jonathan Yarberough

Personally I disagree with the idea that everyone must accept character death. Some people like the stakes and adrenaline that you might die and lose this character, but other people take that extremely hard. I put a hell of a lot of time into my dnd characters and all that I want from my dnd games is a fun adventure. I want to be the hero of the story, I wanna battle the bbeg with the character I started with. I don't WANT TO BE DISSINTEGRATED. When I'm dming I look at my every move and decide will My players enjoy this? I tell them out of game all the time, worst case scenario I tpk and we start up in the 9 hells or something.

Part Time Tabletopper

Joining team “retrial for the stolen nat 20”. It sounds like our honorable justices and the DM aren’t familiar with how advantage rolls work in Roll20. The rolls are in order from left to right, not simultaneous, so the first roll is correct.

abraham padron

So On the roll20 nat 20 issue. I do think the dm was being a bit of a hardass. From my experience the general rule is the left most number if you roll with advantage is the roll if you didn’t roll with advantage…. But that’s me…. People just forget to hit the toggle a lot especially if the first roll was with advantage and the second wasn’t.

Tye De Yoe

Hard disagree with the roll20 advantage case ruling; it’s very easy to tell which dice roll was the first roll, and the DM was clearly being an asshole. I’ll chalk this one up to the judges being unfamiliar with how Roll 20 works. Somehow I feel like this is bailiff John’s fault.

Tye De Yoe

While I 100% agree with wanting the character I start with to be the one to reach the finish line, having stakes like Character death is what makes the game fun and engaging. The idea that you could lose the character makes them all the more precious to me. That said, I do think some DMs are a little too generous with killing PCs. Death should be there, but having multiple PCs die over and over deflates the game IMO. B it if you don’t like character death, Is there an alternative you prefer? or rather, what do you use to keep stakes of not character death?

Crits

I'm not the person you're replying to but some alternative stake ideas I thought of could be: you have to sacrifice an important memory to the ferryman on the river styx to bring you back to life, or a magic item of yours surges with magic to protect you and is destroyed in the process, or your party being knocked unconscious results in a nearby town being attacked by the monster you lost to and you have to carry that guilt. Definitely a session 0 convo but that's what I've got off the top of my head.

Niche Veraldi

I also HARD disagree with the Roll20 ruling. Roll20 sets up the character sheets to auto-roll with advantage, and I’ve played in close to 10 campaigns in which that’s never been an issue. People roll and take the left number so frequently that I consider it the default rolling style. To the person who submitted that ruling - DM me and I’ll run a one-shot for you where you can have some fun on Roll20 without getting dunked on for no reason.

Tye De Yoe

A lot of those are great alternatives. I very much like the “knocked unconscious and precious items being stolen” route. I still think the risk of death should be in a game, not EVERY loss needs to equal character death, you know? I think for me a satisfying campaign has 1-3 deaths with 1-2 revives. Any more than that and it just feels like a revolving door of PCs you have to pretend to be endeared to.

華偉 曾

I agree the roll20 DM is a bit harsh, but a player that knows to toggle how they roll, you would expect them don't make mistakes. if I were the DM, I would let them have the 20, but firmly ask them to set to default rolling system.

Gearbox

While I understand the issue lots of people here have with the Roll20 rule (even I play advantage always on and just take the left one,) that might not be how that dm runs their Roll20 game, and you can't argue with them on that. So I think the ruling should stand.

booksherpa

Another one for team retrial. I’ve been playing on Roll 20 for a couple years, and we regularly forget to flip the switch or Roll 20 glitches and rolls with advantage. The left die is the first die rolled. If these were virtual dice that looked like dice (like on D&D Beyond) or real dice, I’d absolutely agree, but this DM was just a jerk.

Nye-Low

The absolute most fitting “find new friends.”

Jessica Cooper

*SPOILERS?* The dog in all dogs go to heaven was not going to be sent to hell, he was sent to heaven and was told every dog gets a clock or watch and when it stops they are dead, he stole his watch and wound it, and when he went back to earth the dog angel told him he could never come back because of what he'd done. In the end he redeemed himself by dying for the little girl. This was my favorite movie when I was a little girl and upon trying to rewatch with my little girl recently I was slightly horrified at the adult themes I didn't notice

LaceInSpace

Obviously this court shouldn’t be ruling on a Roll20 case since they don’t use it. I mean this comments section is basically an appeals court, I’ve never seen it so unanimous about one case.