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D&D Court: Bonus Cases - Asleep at the Table (Patreon)

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2023-01-06 22:41:30
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2024-10-29 20:50:10
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Dungeon Court is back in session! Join Justices Murphy, Tanner, Axford and Bailiff Hurwitz as they continue to pass judgement on your trials at the table!

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Jessica Cooper

I used to work two jobs 80 hrs a week and would frequently fall asleep at the table during our once a week DND session, but my husband and friends knew to prod me awake, or if I was too far gone to pay attention they would prompt me for rolls when needed, but I refused to leave the table or let them call it early, it was my one escape of the week

UravityFalls

Not sure if it was said about the centaur issue, but "4 extra feet instead of the normal 1extra foot" means that you would move at 1/5** walking speed, not 1/4 (i.e. 5 total per foot instead of 2 total per foot). Either way the centaur is straight wildin

MacKenzie Tobias

My thought was a neurodiversity like Autism or something.

Anthony

Because it says a climb that takes hands and feet to climb in the description, a check would make perfect sense for allowing them to find spots to not use their hands as they head upward

Ben Ramirez

The Thief Rogue's second story work feature would allow for the climbing centaur build, RAW.

Brinn Anza Art

it's not that hard to flavor the mobile feat to allow for like, special shoes or whatever I feel like specifically taking mobile makes it fine because they're trading leveling out a downside for taking something additive the same way you might use a skill point to raise a negative stat rather than increase a positive stat even more

Ben Kullerd

Is the sleeping player my boyfriend? :-[

Ken W

This post / episode is missing the Short Rest tag.

Max Herzog

Yeah they'll "ram" ya. Nice one murph

Hazel

Obviously this episode came out forever ago so no guarantee the DM/players of this case would see this, but last year my sister started getting extremely tired and began having somewhat irrational mood swings (nothing crazy, but she’d be annoyed or mad about something that wouldn’t normally bug her) and it turned out to be a brain tumour. Obviously not everything is always worst case scenario but I’d be concerned if I was the sleepy players friends - it’s always better to get it checked out if it seems like it could be a health problem.

Scordo

I would let mobile halve the centaur penalty

Nils Lübke

I need a oneshot with murphbot at the reins

Penguiney Migubbins

It sounds like this player has Narcolepsy and may not know it or may not want to admit it.

Joe Howard

To add to the centaur ranger discussion, I dm for my sister and a mutual friend. My sister is a centaur ranger and when this came up, I said, that’s sick you’re like a mountain goat, rad, and she is and it’s sick. This is one of the few times I disagree with justice Murphy

Compound27

For the asleep case, while the sleeping person is in the wrong I feel like I would have gone and find the person and ask them if they're okay and tell them they will miss out

Ogliara

This aged poorly

Izzy

I know this is from 2 years ago but the sleepy player case just reminded me of one time my friend fell asleep while we were playing in the discord call. Granted, his work schedule was changing around and it was getting late, but it was still funny to hear him snoring over his mic. We respectfully razzed him as he woke up and then ended the session to let our boy sleep.

Keaun Brown

Everytime a short rest post drops I pray for a wild thumbnail

Dylan Jackson

So glad this is starting the new year! Also that AI bot you are looking for is called Chat GPT! It is awesome! You can search it up and make an account for it! It's free and really easy to do! An AI written one shot sounds like an AMAZING live show! Simply put Chat GPT on a screen up top for the audience to see! I think this might take some coordination but is definitely something I would attend for SURE!

Declane Gilhooley

I had a sleepy player last year and asked for advice on that back then........

Sam A.

Having a rough week and these court cases have been smashing apart my yucky brain sensations like nothing else – thanks for your eternal goofs, your honors & also that guy who hangs out near their bench eating Murph's crumbs.

Aalexander Knight

Just to give a generous read on top of your already generous read: until I got diagnosed with ADHD last year, I would also become extremely sleepy very quickly. It didn't come up in social situations for me, but I can absolutely sympathise with someone getting so tired they have to excuse themselves, trying to 'just rest their eyes' and ending up passing out, then waking up and being kind of pissed because you can't accept that it was your 'fault' because you were just tired when you know damn well you slept enough for it not to be an issue* (*if you were a 'normal' person). The lack of engagement is another thing though and admittedly it does kind of make it seem like they just weren't that invested in the game.

Adrianne Reimer

Murph is totally correct, an 84 foot climb speed is already nuts

JT Gwozdz

The bird thing is so frustrating. I don’t know if the thing is homebrew or not, on top of the challenge rating thing. The bar is so low, dude, just find a CR 2 monster!

ParadoxEngine

Heads up! The The Centaur player is actually RAW correct that Roving negates Equine Build. Equine Build states that it takes 4 extra feet of movement instead of 1 extra feet. However, if you have a climb speed you don’t spend a foot of extra movement, therefore a centaur doesn’t spend 4 extra feet of movement.

Foxtrot

Agreed. Climbing speed negates the climbing penalty!

ananarama

I did once fall asleep towards the end of a virtual DnD session after work 😅 I laid down on the grown to just closed my eyes while I listened to my party rp-ed and I woke up to my husband/dm woke me up an hour later. I was taken to the razz patch the next session though

Adrienne C

Jake Rattle and Roll!

Courtney F.

When I started playing D&D, I was 11 and my parents would play with my uncles and 2 older siblings. Those kids could hang and I could not. In game, they turned me into an orb that randomly hung over someone's head and it was just a normal thing for them to have 11 year old me's PC hanging over their head. But also...I was 11. Who just walks off in their friend's house, while playing an rpg, and goes to bed?

Hijodeagua

Lol the shock from the judges in the sleep case had me dying

BeanCurdHero

Man this episode is a rollercoaster. I fell asleep at the dnd game i had been to excited for to sleep the night before and missed the battle against the big bad who my character was after. I was so scared one of these were about me. loved the "check in with your friend" comment also the "draw on them" comments, these made my anxiety feel so much better knowing the average 2 crew member thinks there are ok reasons for this to happen lol. Edit: Also the answer to what to do with the evil relic is always lick it. I have had 2 pc die in my rp life due to licking random objects. people know when i am playing, if we talk for to long i might lick something

Adah Kinzer

I’m worried about the sleepy player’s health

Zachary Dyer

Disagreed! The centaur player is ignoring that, in 5e, specific rules trumps general rules. In this case, the racial feat specifically reduces climb speed “that requires hands and feet.” A sheer cliff face would reduce their speed to ¼ because it requires hands. The mountain goats that the PCs sent to the DM are a good example of when the player might be able to use this feature — on an inclined surface like a mountain, they should be able to move at full speed, but only because that surface would not require hands to traverse. Rule of Cool is always fun, and I get Emily’s argument that the player invested resources into movement, but in this case the idea of a horse running straight up a cliff is the equivalent of free spiderclimb spell.

ChappyThoughts

A hiker was killed by mountain goat in the Olympic Mountains a little while back. They are quite dangerous.

Mr. Dude Sky

Goat centaurs is also a conclusion my table came to. Imagine these rangers scaling cliffs at 60 degree inclines and pelting foes with arrows from insane angles.

Clever Innuendo

Just get that centaur some horse-shoes of spider climb and be done with it. ...Then the next time she's 250 get away from the party, use magic or enemies to leave them stranded.

Pasty Gray

Omgs. I need to know that bird’s stats!!

Natural 20 Self-crit

My take on the climbing is that Emily's point "they put resources into this, so we should let it happen" is forgetting the fact that their resources allow a movement speed of 84 goddamn feet up a wall as a horse, compared to their normal max of 10. Their resources have already bought them something fucking insane.

Ben Jackson

I don’t know where I land on the Centaur climb speed - but I have to wonder how many cliffs feature in this campaign for it to become an issue

Tim

New shirt: “Check In And Razz”

Deenaa

I was the one who submitted the centaur question, and my player is already calling for a no contest because I didn't specify that she is a deer variant centaur. Deer and goats have the same types of hoof, hence the argument 😂 Thanks a lot for arbitration, it gave me and the players a ton of laughs!

Deenaa

It's honestly more academic razzing than anything, but it has most recently come up when she's wanted to climb a tall building 😂

Andrew Kruck

I want to understand the situation where the 84 foot/round climbing isn’t enough. Unless they’re on your back, the rest of your party isn’t coming with you at that speed, and if you’re not in combat etc. I struggle to understand when you need to move a third of the speed of sound up a cliff instead of 84 ft.

Gwilson

While I'd agree that the ranger centaur is a weird combination, I'd suggest the following: Since the climb rules halve your movement speed, the Centaur climb rules quarter it, and the Ranger movement adjusts a standard biped back to normal(aka *2 their normal climb speed), there's an obvious mathematical solution. Just assume that the rules for Ranger climb speed double your normal result. This means that your Centaur Ranger climbs at 1/4 speed*2. AKA half their normal speed. This provides them an advantage for their class/race selection while not breaking/invalidating the movement options for other characters.

Michael

I think the key with the centaur is the “hands” part. I say the centaur _can_ climb the steep mountain like a goat can, with no penalty — but climbing a castle wall or sheer cliff face incurs the penalty.

Baron Trousers

I know right! What bird are they referencing?

Space Cat

Fantastic episode, but how concerned should we be about the potential new OGL news?

Tammie Foster

Dungeons & Dragons is trademarked so I'm sure they're still reeling themselves. They probably have an lot to figure out 😅 Not Another RPG podcast doesn't sound horrible at least

Tammie Foster

Communication is the problem not the sleeping imo. I can't help my bouts of sleep, but my DM & party know. They give me my 20 when I fall asleep, then wake me up, recap & I'm back at it. I want to stay up, but sadly it's a disorder 🥺

Adam McBroom

Even when a bird is shot dead in the sky it usually doesn't fall straight to the ground. Those wings just want to glide. Being incapacitated probably calls for full falling damage anyway just to keep things tense, and full falling damage makes sense for restrained too since those wings are folded up, but falling damage on a non-magic flyer being knocked prone, grappled, or otherwise having its movement reduced to zero should be reduced in some way.

Old Dirty Blastoise

My online group plays until 1-2am pretty frequently - most of us are parents with kids so we fail our CON Saves and pass out every now and then. We just play through it, find a stopping point if it’s late, and razz whoever is snoring over the mic the next day in discord. No biggie

Adam McBroom

The hoofs aren't what make goats great climbers, its their body shape, their sense of balance, their incredible eyesight, and exceptional cognition including hyper awareness of space and shape. Deer have the same hooves but are terrible at climbing because their haunches are too big, they have terrible eyesight, and they are notorious dumb dumbs. Humanoid eyes and ranger training may be able to help on some of those, but those deer haunches and human shoulders would push your center of gravity too far out from the cliff face to get very far. The arms and hands might even hurt more than they help. Even a full Goataur would probably suck at climbing because of the shoulders.

Gearbox

So wait, even more RAW, the centaur equine build only takes effect based on regular climbing, on creatures without a climb speed. Since Roving grants a climb speed, it doesn't actually take effect, and the Centaur can sprint straight up a mountain.

Sid Dickless

My centaur swarmkeeper Phae recently was turned into a homebrew drider broodmother due to shenanigans with a hag and her demon bestie. Genuinely excited to not deal with the climbing issues anymore. We got caught up at the bottom of one too many cliffsides. Unfortunately her magic horseshoes (+30 ft walking speed) dont work on her spider legs

Adam McBroom

Interesting. I was going to counter that Centaur is more specific than speed rules, so specific trumps general. BUT Equine build says "instead of the normal 1", which would fold it fully into the part of the climbing rule that climb speed negates. Looks like Caldwell was the most Raw though, as the climbing rule grants DM discretion to require an Athletics check for certain surfaces.

lucilia_illustris

no i have sleep apnea and used to just be SO tired I would fall asleep during meetings/work

Levi Seidel

Does anyone by chance have tickets to the Boston show on Jan 21 they would be willing to trade for the Jan 22 show?

Sam Johnston

Once WOTC makes some official statement on the OGL 1.1 bullshit, can we please have an episode discussing it? I know ultimately you guys could pivot away from DnD pretty easily and its not going to ruin anything, I just want to hear from you guys what you are thinking.

Whitney Weltz

Would actually love to hear from them prior to that. This stuff is wild, the sooner we can get their thoughts on it the better imo.

Sam Johnston

Sure, that would be great too.

Lemons

First time DMing, first session, first battle, I rolled to hit all 3 of the players at once and rolled 3 nat 20s. One of them stayed up thank Dice christ. I was considering fudging the roll but they already saw the look of shock on my face

Summer Tribe

noooo it's so boring. Everybody is acting like it's a surprise that WotC is exploitative despite the history of their behaviour being 100% inline with this.

Sam Johnston

Sure, its boring, but lets not act like it doesn't matter. Also the fact that it's not surprising that WoTC is evil and stupid has no bearing on the importance of the conversation.

Dylan Miller

Oooh DM here with sleeping player idea! for sleeping players I have a personal solution that my players actually look forward to If a player either can’t make it last second while the others are on call or falls asleep I do what I call “dream sessions” caused by inhailing Kobald bone dust on the wind which is hallucinogenic and causes a shared trip if people smell the same bone so they have a crazy adventure in a messed up dream world where they have their classes and abilities switched to be as different as possible, the demon hexblade warlock turns into a dorito infused paladin and the wild magic barbarian becomes a bard as an example then they fight things like zombie versions of my homebrew creatures or just objects made giant and into zombies