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Sarah Doty

I think deep down that Loralie knows a relationship with Luke would either be forever or completely destroy them both; and I think both possibilities terrify her which is why they do this back and forth of "will they or won't they". I think she knows there is no scenario where they can start a relationship and go back to any semblance of the friendship they have now if it does not work out. She is not ready to cross that line, but she does want Luke to be happy, even if that is with someone else. i also think Loralie and Luke are also both prone to self sabotage and not feeling that they deserve what they want most - so they back off and run when things are too real and too close

becca

little fun fact: alexis bledel hates coffee so each time they film in Lukes there's actually coca-cola in her mug!

Mari Castro

I think Lorelai pushing Luke toward Rachel is a subconscious way of making him unavailable, so she doesn’t have to confront the fact that she has feelings for him—and that he has feelings for her too. If he’s taken, she doesn’t have to deal with those emotions or take the risk of acting on them. In a way, she’s keeping him out of reach so she can stay in the safe space of their friendship

Jordyn Mickus

1. To answer the first question whether it was consciously or subconsciously (I may be over analyzing this or looking too deeply into it) believe that Rachel will always be the what if girl. It’s a relationship that needed to happen. Because thinking about it, I don’t think Luke has ever had a girlfriend since Rachel so the way I see it Luke never really got closure with Rachel ( because he’s always said that she just left without any notice) so this is kind of the way that he’s gonna get closure. The let’s see how this goes and see if she really is the right girl for me or if he has been holding this torch for someone that he didn’t truly want to be with it was just the right girl at that time. 2. As for the Emily and Lorelai relationship I agree with you that it’s probably a generational thing. The way I see it is Emily was most likely raised in a home where the mother is the mother there’s nothing more to it there it’s not that friendship that Lorelai has with her daughter. While watching the show with you, I’ve come to see that Lorelai and Rory are truly best friends first mother and daughter second whereas Emily and Lorelai‘s relationship is mother and daughter only and Emily keeps that wall there because that’s how she was raised. She believes that a mother is there to set an example for her children and so in this case with Lorelai rebelling against everything, her mother stands for and represents that’s Lorelei’s way of rejecting, not only the way she was raised, but her mother personally, even if that’s not the way Lorelai sees it. And I believe it’s from that hurt that will always cause Emily to never be able to have the relationship that she wants with her daughter because to slowly get to the relationship that she wants she will have to acknowledge the wrongdoing of her role that she plays in the relationship, which would be admitting a sort of failure in her eyes. As for Lorelei’s side of the relationship, I feel it has to do with the part that really hasn’t grown up. I know being a teen mom definitely caused to grow up more in certain ways than others at her age at that time but at the same time it also really didn’t give her a chance to grow up in other ways (if that makes any sense). For example, she still has that view of why can’t my mom just listen to me and hear what I’m trying to say (which is a very teenage way to look at things because the way I’ve always seen it with teenagers in shows it’s always my parents never understand me. They never listen to me. They just don’t understand and like most teenagers they don’t think about the other person side,) but at the same time she’s not acknowledging or realizing the kind of environment that her mother grew up in and trying to do the more grown-up view of seeing things the way her mother would see them now I’m not saying that like Lorelei has to do all the work, obviously as stated above her mom definitely has her own problems with the relationship that she should acknowledge as well. But I know until Lorelei is able to acknowledge that her mom really did the best that she could and only truly wanted the best for her. There’s always gonna be that wall on her side and for Emily until she’s able to truly sit down and realize that even though she was doing what she thought was best, she has to acknowledge that, that may not have been what was best for Lorelai and see it the way that she may see it that it wasn’t love in her eyes. It was her wanting to control her whole life and having her whole life planned for her without input from her own daughter about how her own life should go.

Yasemin

The microphone coming into the frame has to do with the change of format with Netflix, ie, it was filmed in a different format, so sometimes we will see people or cameras or similar that we were not originally supposed to see. :)

Lucy

Ok alot to go through - I think the reason why Lorelei encouraged Luke to be with Rachel is she felt that was the right thing to do. Luke is firstly her friend, and I feel at this moment that is all he can be, plus she is still taking things slowly with Max at this point....again! As for Emily, I think you said it Audrey. If Emily truly spoke to Lorelei about what happened, she would realise Lorelei was not happy, and that she and Richard were partly to blame. Emily can't have that, she cannot be to blame, as in her eyes they did everything they could to bring her up properly. It's a real shame though as if they actually hashed it out, it would be messy and painful, but ultimately they would all feel so much better for it ..... IF they all listened to eachother - not just shouting and blaming. Also just thought I'd say there has been lots of discussions on Lorelei on the spectrum, especially when it comes to touching foods, the speedy non stop brain and coffee intake. With foods not touching it can be a heighened sensitivity/ texture thing / need for consistency with food, and if not right in Thier mind it can really set them off. My friend has autism and ADHD, and this is a big thing for him. For the coffee side of things - some people with ADHD, coffee can actually calm thier brain rather than speed things up, and I feel that's what Lorelei has and why she needs so much, as it helps calm/ slow her brain a bit - just a theory though.

Ronja

Haha, yes I am on the spectrum but on the “lighter” side.I guess you could say that I just don’t understand the phrase enough to use it. I am a literal person and always say what I mean, I have not figured out what “I love you” or “love” means to me so I simply don’t use it. Now on to the episode, Emily’s reaction to how Rory and Lorelai used to live is very understandable but she always conceals her emotions with anger and coldness. We have seen that Emily is deeply flawed when it comes to her emotional regulation and therefore acts out against her daughter instead of communicating properly. I see similarities with all the Gilmore women and their habits when it comes to using harsh words and humor as shields instead of being honest. This show really goes in depth of Generational trauma and behavior.

BentleyRM

I'm also on the spectrum and struggling with saying I love you to people. Its just not something I'm comfortable with saying frequently nor is it handed out to just anyone. I've always related to Lorelai's reluctance to tell people she loved them.

Caitlin Green

I think once you learn HOW Lorelai left some of Emily’s hurt will make sense. I can’t remember when it happens but eventually in either season 1 or 2 you get to see the back story of when Lorelai left. Was Emily perfect? No, but her reactions will make a little more sense.

Caitlin Green

I think Lorelei encourages Luke and Rachel because she is scared of rejection. Like if she puts herself out there it will hurt more if Luke turns her down than it does to act like she doesn’t like him. Almost like it is better to have him as a friend than to be rejected and lose him in her life situations.

Lindsey Metcalfe

Like others have said, as you get further along and get more of the backstory, some of Emily's hurt will make more sense. As for why she can't seem to just talk about how she's feeling, I think you're right that it's partially generational, and I think also part class. In both older generations and the upper class, expressing most emotions is frowned upon. I think Emily was probably raised to believe that the only acceptable 'negative' emotions to show outwardly are disappointment or being offended or righteously angry because you've been wronged. Admitting she's hurt is, by its very definition, admitting that something could hurt her, of having vulnerability, which is something she would've been raised to believe is absolutely unacceptable because it could then be taken advantage of. I think that's also a huge part of the reason she has trouble admitting she did anything wrong - if she messed up, especially so badly that her only child would rather work as a maid and live in a potting shed than the lap of luxury in their family mansion, then that's admitting to a failing. Someone of her background would likely be absolutely horrified for it to be exposed that she had any failing at all, on top of whatever guilt or shame she may feel for what she did. There's also the aspect that's unfortunately common from generation to generation of the elder generation thinking that the younger generations wanting to do things differently is the younger saying that the way older folks do it is wrong or distasteful or inadequate. All of this combined likely factor in.

Naomi Bronner

I beg to differ with that one comment you read about how everyone hates Rachel. I like Rachel! I know that all the tension between Lorelai and Rachel is supposed to be because they're jealous of each other, but honestly I've always thought that they have a little chemistry? Like maybe Rachel saw the vibes between Lorelai and Luke and thought to herself, "why not both?" Anyway, ignore me, I love this show but it is painfully heterosexual and sometimes it's fun to invent gay scenarios in my head while watching it.

Elizabeth

Question 1: I think Lorelai hasn’t come to terms with the fact that she wants to be with Luke. Yes, she’s admitted that she potentially has feelings for him but I don’t think she’s allowed herself to think beyond that. Maybe because she knows that she would have to be serious about it and she’s never really had a serious adult relationship and that scares her. Also, taking that jump and then it not working out and potentially losing Luke also scares her. When she asked Rory about potentially dating Luke early in the season she said “no way you’ll break up and then we’ll never be able to eat there again.” With Luke being a close friend and stars hollow being so tight knit, getting involved with Luke would be a big risk. I think she also does genuinely think Luke loves Rachel and wants him to be happy. For question 2: I think the reason Emily doesn’t share her feelings is very layered. Some of it is the culture of high society life. Being groomed to put such high value on status and appearance trains a person to push down anything that could be perceived as anything less than perfect. I’m sure there are other layers like generational characteristics, and family dynamics that also play a big part in it.

Astoria

I think the biggest problem Emily has is that the pregnancy came as a surprise to her and Richard, and that her daughter chose that cabin over her home and looked after a baby on her own at the age of 16. In her mind, Lorelai wasn’t that unhappy, and moments like this will probably make that painfully clear to her. Not only does she barely know her own daughter, but she also realises she apparently wasn’t the mother she thought she was. And because there are so many unspoken issues in their relationship, she, like Lorelai, doesn’t know how to deal with them and does what feels ‘normal’, going full steam ahead